Thank You, Schafer! (Part 1001)

With the win over CC, Coach Schafer now has the most NCAA advances among Cornell coaches, surpassing Coach Harkness' record of five. [www.tbrw.info]

Obviously, there are era comparison issues. Harkness had a shorter tenure coaching in an era of 4-team NCAA draws, which meant all his wins were Frozen Four advances. But, Schafer coaches in an era of greater parity, in which upsets are more likely. [www.tbrw.info]

Either way, I'm glad for both of them to have had such huge contributions to Cornell hockey.

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:

+ Games, 370
+ Ivy Championships, 6
+ ECAC RS titles, 3 (tied with Harkness)
+ ECAC Tournament Advances, 21
+ ECAC Championships, 4 (tied with Harkness)
+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6

Trotsky

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:


+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6

I think you might want to double-check this, Greg. In 1996 Cornell did not advance. (I double-checked my own memory using this website some guy has called TBRW?.) TBRW? seems to agree with me.
Andy W.

andyw2100

Trotsky

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:


+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6

I think you might want to double-check this, Greg. In 1996 Cornell did not advance. (I double-checked my own memory using this website some guy has called TBRW?.) TBRW? seems to agree with me.
Andy W.

Yes, but we advanced twice in 2003. I think by 'advances' Greg means wins.

This is as good a place as any (except the Harvard thread) to point out the remarkable 6-5 record Schafer has in NCAA tourney play going into today. That's really good, considering the number of other ECAC wins in the NCAA tourney in that time.

Counting that up, the ECAC is 9-23 in the NCAAs since Schafer came to Cornell. Cornell is 6-5 in that time. The last non-Cornell ECAC team to win an NCAA game was SLU(t) in 2000. Which brings up the thought I had last night, is Cornell hockey basically the Gonzaga of hockey? The only team in the conference that can compete nationally. Maybe.

Uhm, Greg (Trotsky) runs TBRW?

RedAR
Uhm, Greg (Trotsky) runs TBRW?

Uhm, I think (hope) andyw2100 was being faceitious.

CrazyLarry
Which brings up the thought I had last night, is Cornell hockey basically the Gonzaga of hockey? The only team in the conference that can compete nationally. Maybe.

Nah, I disagree. Harvard is good enough to compete, if they ever didn't choke. Colgate showed last year that they could, losing a game 6-5 late against a #1 seed. SLU proved they can compete nationally earlier in the year, before they fell apart. Cornell, no doubt, has been the ECAC's class of the NCAAs, but there are several other teams that have the ability.

DeltaOne81

andyw2100

Trotsky

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:


+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6

I think you might want to double-check this, Greg. In 1996 Cornell did not advance. (I double-checked my own memory using this website some guy has called TBRW?.) TBRW? seems to agree with me.
Andy W.

Yes, but we advanced twice in 2003. I think by 'advances' Greg means wins.

But not exactly wins, for example in 1990 (IIRC) when we lost a best of three opening round series to Michigan 2 games to 1. We got a win but didn't advance.

Jacob 03

RedAR
Uhm, Greg (Trotsky) runs TBRW?

Uhm, I think (hope) andyw2100 was being faceitious.

Not really facetious...more like ironic.
Andy W.

Now, I'm being slightly argumentative, devil's advocate here, but I think it's a very legitimate question, when no other ECAC team has won a tourney game in 6 years. As for Colgate competing last year, well, so did Bemidji State last year, and Holy Cross this year. I don't think that means those conferences are competetive as a whole, yet. The wins are just rare events, where rare in hockey isn't all that rare, since you don't win hockey games by 20 goals.

DeltaOne81

andyw2100

Trotsky

Schafer now holds the all-time coaching records for Cornell in:


+ NCAA Bids, 6
+ NCAA Tournament Advances, 6

I think you might want to double-check this, Greg. In 1996 Cornell did not advance. (I double-checked my own memory using this website some guy has called TBRW?.) TBRW? seems to agree with me.
Andy W.

Yes, but we advanced twice in 2003. I think by 'advances' Greg means wins.

We probably just need Greg to define "advances." Because if it was really wins, I think he would have said wins. Also, in that case, Schafer would be tied with Harkness, but Greg didn't list this stat as tied, although he did on others.
Andy W.

andyw2100
We probably just need Greg to define "advances." Because if it was really wins, I think he would have said wins. Also, in that case, Schafer would be tied with Harkness, but Greg didn't list this stat as tied, although he did on others.
Andy W.

I'd bet anything he meant "advance to the next round," whether through a total goals in two games, best two-out-of-three, or single elimination. I'm not sure winning the consolation game in 1968 would count as an "advance" in Greg's thinking. It wouldn't in mine.

Advance means you go from one round to the next. Thus, 2003 had two advances, from 1st round to 2nd round, then to FF. 1990 didn't since the win didnt advance us.

andyw2100
We probably just need Greg to define "advances." Because if it was really wins, I think he would have said wins. Also, in that case, Schafer would be tied with Harkness, but Greg didn't list this stat as tied, although he did on others.

An advance is... an advance. Disposal of an opponent. Movement to the next round. The opposite of elimination.

French Rage
Advance means you go from one round to the next. Thus, 2003 had two advances, from 1st round to 2nd round, then to FF. 1990 didn't since the win didnt advance us.

It was 1991, actually. I remember because I flew out to Cali to visit grad schools that Sunday, and couldn't for the life of me find out how the series ended.

Trotsky
An advance is... an advance. Disposal of an opponent. Movement to the next round. The opposite of elimination.

Got it. Thanks. (Should have gotten it in the first place. My bad.)
Andy W.

jtwcornell91

French Rage
Advance means you go from one round to the next. Thus, 2003 had two advances, from 1st round to 2nd round, then to FF. 1990 didn't since the win didnt advance us.

It was 1991, actually. I remember because I flew out to Cali to visit grad schools that Sunday, and couldn't for the life of me find out how the series ended.

Ah, my bad. I was in elementary school, so it's ancient history to me.

CrazyLarry
As for Colgate competing last year, well, so did Bemidji State last year, and Holy Cross this year.

Holy Cross actually *won a game*, which is more than Harvard et al. can say.

CrazyLarry
This is as good a place as any (except the Harvard thread) to point out the remarkable 6-5 record Schafer has in NCAA tourney play going into today. That's really good, considering the number of other ECAC wins in the NCAA tourney in that time.

Counting that up, the ECAC is 9-23 in the NCAAs since Schafer came to Cornell. Cornell is 6-5 in that time. The last non-Cornell ECAC team to win an NCAA game was SLU(t) in 2000. Which brings up the thought I had last night, is Cornell hockey basically the Gonzaga of hockey? The only team in the conference that can compete nationally. Maybe.

We could've used Adam Morrison on skates at some point vs. the Badgers.

Harvard can compete nationally. Just not recently. (Remember 1989.) Last year's one-and-done loss wasn't so bad although it was, of course, still a loss. While we have Schafer, Harvard has the name. If you're a good hockey player and a good student, at some point Harvard's going to enter into your mind. You think BC and Harvard, Wisconsin and Harvard, etcetera ... at least think it. That's going to continue Harvard's prominence.

(Aside: Some stories have it that the McKee Family was impressed with Harvard ... until they met the coach. At which point, "Hello, Big Red."

billhoward
While we have Schafer, Harvard has the name. If you're a good hockey player and a good student, at some point Harvard's going to enter into your mind. You think BC and Harvard, Wisconsin and Harvard, etcetera ... at least think it. That's going to continue Harvard's prominence.

The Cornell name is nothing to sneeze at, of course. But Harvard and Yale are the two names that the casual American mentions when they think of a ticket to the front row in life.

Cornell is much more than Schafer, however. It is *the* place where you can come, get a world class education, compete for the national title, and be, by a mile, the biggest story on campus. It's also got a snowy, rural location which reminds many of our northern brethren of home. And, of course, the best fans on Earth.

Schafer is a huge boon and he knows his business. But a large part of that business is marketing Cornell as Cornell, and not just as the place where a future NCAA Hockey Hall of Fame coach happens to be.

billhoward
(Aside: Some stories have it that the McKee Family was impressed with Harvard ... until they met the coach. At which point, "Hello, Big Red."

We'll have to thank Mazzoleni later. (Or perhaps we already have, considering his current team, the Green Bay Gamblers of the USHL, play at the Resch Center.)

Trotsky

billhoward
While we have Schafer, Harvard has the name. If you're a good hockey player and a good student, at some point Harvard's going to enter into your mind. You think BC and Harvard, Wisconsin and Harvard, etcetera ... at least think it. That's going to continue Harvard's prominence.

Schafer is a huge boon and he knows his business. But a large part of that business is marketing Cornell as Cornell, and not just as the place where a future NCAA Hockey Hall of Fame coach happens to be.

Yes, he's an excellent coach but I think it's a bit premature to say with certainty that Schafer is bound for the NCAA Hall of Fame.

Rich S

Trotsky

billhoward
While we have Schafer, Harvard has the name. If you're a good hockey player and a good student, at some point Harvard's going to enter into your mind. You think BC and Harvard, Wisconsin and Harvard, etcetera ... at least think it. That's going to continue Harvard's prominence.

Schafer is a huge boon and he knows his business. But a large part of that business is marketing Cornell as Cornell, and not just as the place where a future NCAA Hockey Hall of Fame coach happens to be.

Yes, he's an excellent coach but I think it's a bit premature to say with certainty that Schafer is bound for the NCAA Hall of Fame.

Sigh.

ugarte
Sigh.

I know. Don't bother...

Trotsky

ugarte
Sigh.

I know. Don't bother...

Hey, he's entitled to his opinion. Who are we to complain if he believes Schafer's greatest NCAA accomplishments are still ahead of him?

I'm not complaining but I think it's being presumptious to assume that he's "bound" as in, a lock, for the Hall. There are probably a handful of guys in line ahead of him who have achieved greater NCAA tournament accompolishments as of now.

Really...why are you so touchy about Schafer? I acknowledge that is an excellent coach. What more do you want me to say?

Sigh...lol

Rich S
I'm not complaining but I think it's being presumptious to assume that he's "bound" as in, a lock, for the Hall.

Uh, yeah, no kidding, Rich. Let me type this very slowly for you, with a return after each word so you can pause for breath.

I t
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j o k e.

We are all well aware that if, say, wildly hypothetically, Mike were to physically assault one of his players and get fired, he wouldn't be close to a HoF coach as of his accomplishments thus far.

I was merely projecting Mike's pedigree after another few seasons and a national title or two. As is my constitutionally optimistic right, on this Cornell hockey board.

It's a good thing you're not on powerplay. You constantly miss the point.

Rich - why are you so touchy about Willie Mitchell? He's a bit of goon I think. Seriously. That said, he's a valuable player and I wish he was on one of the teams that I cheer for (Canucks and Devils). What more can I say?

Your sarcasm and demeaning tone is totally unnecessary nand not at all complimentary to you.

"Schafer is a huge boon and he knows his business. But a large part of that business is marketing Cornell as Cornell, and not just as the place where a future NCAA Hockey Hall of Fame coach happens to be."

The above hardly sounds like a joke particularly given the rest of the post in which it was made.

Again...assuming that he has one or two NCAA titles in his future is indeed assuming a lot.

Your cheap shot reference to the long-departed Morris is duly noted. Yes it hurt whatever chance he may have had at the Hall. Do you think Schafer's grabbing an MSU player because he needed to be "escorted of the ice" helped his image any? Or the game he suspension he received?

You're living in a glass house ya know.