PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by Trotsky
PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.raytheon.com)
Date: February 21, 2006 01:46PM
This is what I come up with. 'Splain to me where I go wrong.
Step 1. Banding
Say we take today's (2/21; noon) .003/.002/.001 PWR:
----- Band 1 -----
01 Minnesota
02 Wisconsin
03 Miami
04 BU
----- Band 2 -----
05 Michigan State
06 UNO
07 CC
08 Cornell
----- Band 3 -----
09 Michigan
10 Maine
11 BC
12 OSU
----- Band 4 -----
13 Harvard
14 SLU
15 (AH/CHA 1)
16 (AH/CHA 2)
Correct so far?
Step 2. Seeding 1-4
01 Minnesota
02 Wisconsin
03 Miami
04 BU
Step 3. Placing 1-4.
Regional Sites (hosts):
A -- Albany (RPI)
W -- Worcester (BU)
N -- North Dakota (Duh)
G -- Green Bay (MTU)
Placing 1-4 (Closest, with automatic placement of host)
01 Minnesota (N)
02 Wisconsin (G)
03 Miami (A)
04 BU (W, host)
Step 4. "Bracket Integrity, Part 1"
AKA, giving the best teams the easiest ride.
13 Harvard (W)
14 SLU (A)
15 (AH/CHA 1) (G)
16 (AH/CHA 2) (N)
No problems, since no intraconference matchups possible between 1st and 4th bands.
Step 5. Seeding/Placing 5-8 and 9-12.
First pass:
05 Michigan State (W)
06 UNO (A)
07 CC (G)
08 Cornell (N)
09 Michigan (N)
10 Maine (G)
11 BC (A)
12 OSU (W)
But that gives a 5-12 CCHA match-up. A solution: invert 11 and 12 (moving large-crowd BC closer to home). But that just switches the CCHA pairing to 6-11. The CCHA teams must be moved so that one occupies each slot in the 5/12; 6/11; 7/10; 8/9 table. There are two 5/12's, so the way to move them and not unduly benefit one team 2 slots is to swap 11-12 and 6-7. That yields:
That would give us a final seeding of:
01 Minnesota (N)
02 Wisconsin (G)
03 Miami (A)
04 BU (W, host)
05 Michigan State (W)
06 CC (A)
07 UNO (G)
08 Cornell (N)
09 Michigan (N)
10 Maine (G)
11 OSU (A)
12 BC (W)
13 Harvard (W)
14 SLU (A)
15 (AH/CHA 1) (G)
16 (AH/CHA 2) (N)
OK. What did I do wrong?
Step 1. Banding
Say we take today's (2/21; noon) .003/.002/.001 PWR:
----- Band 1 -----
01 Minnesota
02 Wisconsin
03 Miami
04 BU
----- Band 2 -----
05 Michigan State
06 UNO
07 CC
08 Cornell
----- Band 3 -----
09 Michigan
10 Maine
11 BC
12 OSU
----- Band 4 -----
13 Harvard
14 SLU
15 (AH/CHA 1)
16 (AH/CHA 2)
Correct so far?
Step 2. Seeding 1-4
01 Minnesota
02 Wisconsin
03 Miami
04 BU
Step 3. Placing 1-4.
Regional Sites (hosts):
A -- Albany (RPI)
W -- Worcester (BU)
N -- North Dakota (Duh)
G -- Green Bay (MTU)
Placing 1-4 (Closest, with automatic placement of host)
01 Minnesota (N)
02 Wisconsin (G)
03 Miami (A)
04 BU (W, host)
Step 4. "Bracket Integrity, Part 1"
AKA, giving the best teams the easiest ride.
13 Harvard (W)
14 SLU (A)
15 (AH/CHA 1) (G)
16 (AH/CHA 2) (N)
No problems, since no intraconference matchups possible between 1st and 4th bands.
Step 5. Seeding/Placing 5-8 and 9-12.
First pass:
05 Michigan State (W)
06 UNO (A)
07 CC (G)
08 Cornell (N)
09 Michigan (N)
10 Maine (G)
11 BC (A)
12 OSU (W)
But that gives a 5-12 CCHA match-up. A solution: invert 11 and 12 (moving large-crowd BC closer to home). But that just switches the CCHA pairing to 6-11. The CCHA teams must be moved so that one occupies each slot in the 5/12; 6/11; 7/10; 8/9 table. There are two 5/12's, so the way to move them and not unduly benefit one team 2 slots is to swap 11-12 and 6-7. That yields:
That would give us a final seeding of:
01 Minnesota (N)
02 Wisconsin (G)
03 Miami (A)
04 BU (W, host)
05 Michigan State (W)
06 CC (A)
07 UNO (G)
08 Cornell (N)
09 Michigan (N)
10 Maine (G)
11 OSU (A)
12 BC (W)
13 Harvard (W)
14 SLU (A)
15 (AH/CHA 1) (G)
16 (AH/CHA 2) (N)
OK. What did I do wrong?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2006 01:51PM by Trotsky.
Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: February 21, 2006 01:53PM
[q]OK. What did I do wrong?[/q]You forgot to include games played over the next four weekends.
Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.raytheon.com)
Date: February 21, 2006 02:11PM
Nobody likes a smartass.
Well, okay, a lot of us do like smartasses (a good thing, too). But I was looking for a slightly more method-driven analysis...
Well, okay, a lot of us do like smartasses (a good thing, too). But I was looking for a slightly more method-driven analysis...
Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (---.loyno.edu)
Date: February 21, 2006 03:10PM
Why do you think you did something wrong?
Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.raytheon.com)
Date: February 21, 2006 03:17PM
[Q]Why do you think you did something wrong?[/Q]
I'm married.
I'm married.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2006 08:51AM by Trotsky.
Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: Pete Godenschwager (---.chem.cornell.edu)
Date: February 21, 2006 04:09PM
The only thing I noticed was that since you haven't explicitly stated the AH/CHA bids, their TUC status isn't factored into the PWR. That's not necessarily wrong, though, since it would only be a guess as to what those teams would be anyway.
Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: February 21, 2006 05:47PM
What you've posited looks credible based on the methodology employed over the last several years.
Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: RatushnyFan (---.rbccm.com)
Date: February 23, 2006 08:23AM
Jason Moy comes up with a different rank order:Trotsky
Step 1. Banding
Say we take today's (2/21; noon) .003/.002/.001 PWR:
----- Band 1 -----
01 Minnesota
02 Wisconsin
03 Miami
04 BU
----- Band 2 -----
05 Michigan State
06 UNO
07 CC
08 Cornell
----- Band 3 -----
09 Michigan
10 Maine
11 BC
12 OSU
----- Band 4 -----
13 Harvard
14 SLU
15 (AH/CHA 1)
16 (AH/CHA 2)
Correct so far?
1 Minnesota
2 Wisconsin
3 Miami
4 Boston University
5 Michigan State
6 Nebraska-Omaha
7 Colorado College
8 Cornell
9 Maine (you had #10)
10 Michigan (you had #9)
11 Boston College
12 Harvard (you had #13)
13 Ohio State (you had #12)
14 St. Lawrence
15 Holy Cross
16 Alabama-Huntsville
[www.uscho.com]
"We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams, and add in Holy Cross and Alabama-Huntsville.
Now let's break the ties.
Boston University wins the individual comparison with Michigan State. Likewise, Maine wins the comparison with Michigan, Boston College with Harvard and St. Lawrence with Denver."
Then again, when I plug .003/.002/.001 into the PWR table, I get what you posted. If Moy did it on 2/22/06, I don't see why we would have a difference. He claims to be using the .003/.002/.001 bonus as well.
Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: heykb (131.249.12.---)
Date: February 23, 2006 12:21PM
The PWR change when you make UAH a TUC.
Nice acronyms in that sentence.
Nice acronyms in that sentence.
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Re: PWR: 'Splain this to us again?
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: February 23, 2006 04:40PM
heykb
The PWR change when you make UAH a TUC.
Nice acronyms in that sentence.
FYI.
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