Beating the system
Posted by Tom Tone
Beating the system
Posted by: Tom Tone (---.cupolice.cornell.edu)
Date: February 16, 2006 06:16AM
Seems like one student got around the scalping laws...
[cgi.ebay.com]
And all I got were these lousy hockey tickets.
[cgi.ebay.com]
And all I got were these lousy hockey tickets.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/16/2006 06:20AM by Tom Tone.
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Will (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: February 16, 2006 07:44AM
This has been done before with several hundred dollar envelopes. The student got shafted because he/she had to buy/give up a t-shirt. 
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Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Beeeej (38.136.58.---)
Date: February 16, 2006 09:59AM
Tom Tone
Seems like one student got around the scalping laws...
In the sense that eBay's policies are poorly enforced, and most people can find a way to break the law without eBay caring, yes, he "got around the scalping laws." What he did was still illegal.
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Re: Beating the system
Posted by: jy3 (---.bflony.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 16, 2006 10:39AM
yeah and actually I think that a couple hundred dollar envelope is against listing policy as well.
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Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Jordan 04 (12.42.45.---)
Date: February 16, 2006 10:45AM
For a while now, eBay has treated the "free ticket included" auctions the same as they do regular ticket auctions.
Obviously, in most cases that means looking the other way and letting the auctions continue, but it is not as if anybody is "beating the system" by structuring their auction like this.
Obviously, in most cases that means looking the other way and letting the auctions continue, but it is not as if anybody is "beating the system" by structuring their auction like this.
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Trotsky (---.raytheon.com)
Date: February 16, 2006 01:05PM
If you shipped the envelope and said, sorry, but the free ticket is no longer available, could the buyer claim breach? Does the "freeness" of the ticket negate a claim of it as avalue received? Attention Contracts person.
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: David Harding (---.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)
Date: February 16, 2006 10:45PM
When I click on that link I get[q]This Listing Is Unavailable [ ]
This listing (#7217031659) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number.
If the listing was removed by eBay, consider it canceled. Note: Listings that have ended more than 90 days ago will no longer appear on eBay.
Try searching for another item now.
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This listing (#7217031659) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number.
If the listing was removed by eBay, consider it canceled. Note: Listings that have ended more than 90 days ago will no longer appear on eBay.
Try searching for another item now.
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Re: Beating the system
Posted by: French Rage (---.Stanford.EDU)
Date: February 17, 2006 12:21AM
Trotsky
If you shipped the envelope and said, sorry, but the free ticket is no longer available, could the buyer claim breach? Does the "freeness" of the ticket negate a claim of it as avalue received? Attention Contracts person.
The answer has something to do with "consideration". Thank you, GOVT 313.
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Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Beeeej (38.136.58.---)
Date: February 17, 2006 09:25AM
Well, good - that means they actually did something right for a change.
Not that it'll necessarily stop the seller from executing the sale, but at the very least it'll count as a mark against him.
Beeeej, T-2:36
Not that it'll necessarily stop the seller from executing the sale, but at the very least it'll count as a mark against him.
Beeeej, T-2:36
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Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Ken'70 (---.254.51.209.conversent.net)
Date: February 17, 2006 10:52AM
Collectivist busy-bodies 1 - Individual Liberties 0 
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: February 17, 2006 10:58AM
Ken'70
Collectivist busy-bodies 1 - Individual Liberties 0
Under what circumstances do you believe the government has any right to intervene in anything?
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Beeeej (38.136.58.---)
Date: February 17, 2006 10:59AM
I guess I must have missed that day in Con Law class where the prof covered the individual liberty to break a state law.
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Re: Beating the system
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: February 17, 2006 12:29PM
Well, he didn't exactly say that the state gov't didn't have the right under the US Constitution to pass and enforce such a law. Just because they can doesn't mean they should.
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: schoaff (---.ga.at.cox.net)
Date: February 17, 2006 12:56PM
nyc94Ken'70
Collectivist busy-bodies 1 - Individual Liberties 0
Under what circumstances do you believe the government has any right to intervene in anything?
I use the grandma rule. Any law should be important enough to our society and our future as a people that you'd be willing to execute your grandmother to enforce it.*
National Defense, Homicide, Robbery? Yes.
Stopping someone from selling a ticket on EBay? No.
* Obviously this presupposes that you are fond of your grandmother
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: PinkyGen (---.NYU.EDU)
Date: February 17, 2006 02:01PM
I don't know if consideration matters. If the ticket is included in the offer, and the buyer "accepts" the offer, once the offer is "accepted," the terms cannot be changed without mutual assent.
The only tricky point is what constitutes acceptance? Is "bidding" acceptance. WHen the buyer wins the auction, is that "acceptance?" Or is it acceptance only when the check is mailed?
- Typically, acceptance is some sort of affirmative signal from the buyer that they accept the terms of the deal as is.
(I'm a law student, but would rather not run to find my Contracts supplement with the Second Restatement).
The only tricky point is what constitutes acceptance? Is "bidding" acceptance. WHen the buyer wins the auction, is that "acceptance?" Or is it acceptance only when the check is mailed?
- Typically, acceptance is some sort of affirmative signal from the buyer that they accept the terms of the deal as is.
(I'm a law student, but would rather not run to find my Contracts supplement with the Second Restatement).
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: daredevilcu (---.graham.clarkson.edu)
Date: February 17, 2006 03:26PM
In an auction, when the last bid is placed and the time runs out, the offer is considered accepted by both the seller and the buyer. Once the auction ends, the winner can no longer legally withdraw his bid, and in most cases the seller cannot withdraw his offer to sell the item.
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Ken'70 (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 17, 2006 07:01PM
The day you missed was the day they discussed the Constitution. But then again, they might not have seen it important enough to devote even a day to it. So I guess you can be forgiven. 
Re: Beating the system
Posted by: Beeeej (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: February 17, 2006 11:42PM
Really? I do hope you'll tell me about the part of the Constitution that guarantees your "individual liberty" to break laws. I'm quite upset now that I know I missed the class about it.
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