Polls 12/5/05

USCHO.com/CSTV Division I Men's Poll
December 5, 2005

Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Wisconsin (40) 13-1-2 800 1
2 Miami 11-2-1 727 8
3 Vermont 11-3-1 722 5
4 Colorado College 12-5-1 606 2
5 North Dakota 10-5-1 581 9
6 Boston College 7-4-1 538 6
7 Michigan 9-5-1 525 3
8 Minnesota 7-5-4 522 4
9 Cornell 8-3-1 449 11
10 Maine 9-5-0 422 7
11 Denver 8-6-2 410 15
12 New Hampshire 8-5-3 409 10
13 Colgate 10-2-3 402 13
14 St. Lawrence 11-5-0 347 12
15 Harvard 7-4-1 186 14
16 Clarkson 9-4-1 184 18
17 Bemidji State 9-3-0 118 17
18 Boston University 5-6-2 102 20
19 Providence 8-6-1 81 NR
20 Nebraska-Omaha 9-6-0 80 NR
Others Receiving Votes: Lake Superior 51, Alaska-Fairbanks 44, Michigan State 19, Ferris State 17, Northern Michigan 11, Union 11, Ohio State 10, Holy Cross 8, Mercyhurst 7, Minnesota-Duluth 6, St. Cloud State 4, Alabama-Huntsville 1

Great - Miami is high.
But how is Vermont #3. Wait til they come crashing back to earth.

For example. sioux sports pwr rank is #9, cornell is #12. St. Lawrence is #3 (go fig)
(over rated clap clap clap-clap-clap)

The team I've been watching for the past few weeks clearly doesn't deserve to be ranked ninth. So, it's no surprise to me that Vermont might be ranked too highly.

Kyle

Now we're seeing some interesting differences in the two major polls:

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine
Men's College Hockey Poll - Dec. 5, 2005

					Last Weeks in
No. Team 		Points	Record	Week  top 15
1.  Wisconsin 		510(34) 13-1-2	 1 	10
2.  Miami (Ohio) 	462	11-2-1	 8	6
3.  Vermont 		444	11-3-1	 5	8
4.  North Dakota 	356	10-5-1	 9	10
5.  Colorado College	334	12-5-1	 2	10
6.  Boston College 	288	7-4-1	 6	10
7.  Michigan 		309	9-5-1	 3	10
8.  Minnesota 		283	7-5-4	 4	10
9.  New Hampshire 	198	8-5-3	10	10
T10.Denver 		187	8-6-2	15	10
T10.Maine 		187	9-5-0	 7	10
12. Colgate 		169	10-2-3	13	3
13. Cornell 		157	8-3-1	11	10
14. St. Lawrence 	104	11-5-0	12	4
T15.Clarkson 		31	9-4-1	NR	1
T15.Providence College 	31	8-6-1	NR	1

Others receiving votes: Harvard University, 20; University of Nebraska 
Omaha, 10; The Ohio State University, 10; Bemidji State University, 4; 
Boston University, 2; Mercyhurst College, 2.

I think USA Today got it right.

Interesting that Colgate swept the same two opponents as we, and arguably had a tougher time of it, and managed to pass us in the USA Today poll. In the world of poll dynamics, I think we have to chalk this up to diminished weighting given to pre-season expectations. Now that we've played a sensible number of games, Colgate's better record against comparible competition matters more.

Would have been very interesting to see how Vermont would have done in the ECAC this year but it appears that they would have been leading the pack.

[Q]dadeo Wrote:

Great - Miami is high.
But how is Vermont #3. Wait til they come crashing back to earth.

For example. sioux sports pwr rank is #9, cornell is #12. St. Lawrence is #3 (go fig)
(over rated clap clap clap-clap-clap)



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 12/05/05 03:22PM by dadeo.[/q]

SLU's RPI, and thus PWR, is helped largely by being the only team to beat Wisconsin thus far.

Given the ECAC's inter-conference success this year, I think SLU (with their split at Wisconsin) and Colgate should both be higher. Miami's next three games are SLU, Clarkson and RPI - which will be a good test for those teams.

SLU's RPI isn't helped especially by beating Wisconsin. It doesn't matter in RPI who you beat, just how many wins you get and who you play. SLU's RPI would be the same (to first order) if they had lost to Wisconsin and beated RIT instead of the reverse.

PWR is a different story (although it usually tracks RPI pretty closely anyway).

Perhaps we're not a top-10 team right now, but it seems awfully screwy to drop spots after a 4-point weekend, so I can't say that USA Today got it right.

[Q]JordanCS Wrote:

Perhaps we're not a top-10 team right now, but it seems awfully screwy to drop spots after a 4-point weekend, so I can't say that USA Today got it right. [/q]

Perhaps, but on the other hand, a lot of us don't think Cornell should have been as high as 11 to begin with. 13, on the other hand, seems just about right at the current time. (Though, to be fair, there are a few teams above us that should probably be below us, and vice versa.)

Yes - I agree that its not that we seem to be a 'top 10 team'
But then again, the top 10 teams arent all 'top 10 teams' either.
The only really dominant teams are Wisconsin, Miami of Ohio, and maybe CC.
After that, no team seems as deserving. (Certainly not UVM, Minnesota, UNH, Maine, or Denver(well maybe Denver is on par with us, go fig).
So that leaves us at 7 or 8 (where we are on USCHO)