MSU CORNELL

[Q]Section A Banshee Wrote:

Section A gets no respect.[/q]

Section A went to their doctor, Dr. Vinnie Boombatz. He said to them, "you're really sick." Section A said, "I want a second opion." He said, "All right, you're ugly, too."

No respect...no respect at all.

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I'm guessing this is because the visitor allotment was not used up.

MSU goes 2/7 on the power play, builds a 4-0 lead and cruises 5-2. Excellent blow by blow account at the MSU athletics page: [msuspartans.collegesports.com]

interesting to see they were outshot at the end of the 2nd period yet up 5-1.. i doubt they had called off the dogs by that point of the game..

From the recap:

"MSU scored their four first-period goals in a span of three minutes, one second, and all on consecutive shots."

Scary

Looks like MSU forward Tim Kennedy will be out with a broken hand suffered last night

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[Q]Pete Godenschwager Wrote:

Looks like MSU forward Tim Kennedy will be out with a broken hand suffered last night

[/q]

They apparently will also not have David Booth, their top face-off man, who has been out with a shoulder injury.

[Q]Hirzel '89 Wrote:

From the recap:

"MSU scored their four first-period goals in a span of three minutes, one second, and all on consecutive shots."

Scary[/q]

US-18 pull their sieve...? Wow.

Thirty-one hours left!!

Woohoo!!! It's hockey season!!!

Sorry. Document review just isn't that thrilling.

Beeeej

hmm, are there tickets left for tomorrow night I wonder? A trip from buffalo after my wife gets out of work would be cutting it close...

if anyone is interested, the writers for each conference at uscho have their previews up
the ecachl writer (McDonald ) picked a cornell sweep and the ccha writer (weston) picked a split
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[Q]jy3 Wrote:

if anyone is interested, the writers for each conference at uscho have their previews up
the ecachl writer (McDonald ) picked a cornell sweep and the ccha writer (weston) picked a split[/q]

Can't say I disagree with the split prediction, but Weston sure likes 3-2 and 4-2 scores, huh?

No Free Audio!?!?! Dammit!

Lots of empty seats just five minutes from faceoff.

Damn, my video feed just cut out 5 minutes before the game starts.

For those of us who are out of town on business, will someone please provide us with a play-by-play description of the game as it progresses? PLEASE!!!


LGR!!!!!!!!

I hope that wasnt section B they just showed.

[Q]kaaren Wrote:

For those of us who are out of town on business, will someone please provide us with a play-by-play description of the game as it progresses? PLEASE!!!


LGR!!!!!!!![/q]
You could try following on Gametracker, as well as the game thread--if we have one.

What crazy out-of-town scoreboard results...but interesting.

Colorado College dominated their game, but it seems others were upset: tOSU, Michigan, BC, Minnesota, BU too.

I loved section B tonight! Everyone was so loud and active and creatively rude to MSU players. I would say this crowd was louder than last year. The intensity and the amount of energy. Maybe it was the nature of the game (fast-paced, physical, and evenly-matched against a really good team). Anyway, the volume was really good. Now we need to work on rhythm. We're chanting everything too friggin fast. I'm talking about "Let's Go Red!" and "Itsall your fault!" etc.. These are both 3-beat cheers and we should NOT be doing it faster than 2 beats per second. "It's all your fault" is much much more powerful and effective if we do it slower.
The drummer of the band should regulate the tempo.

A large portion of the crowd still didn't know the sieve-funnel-vacuum-blackhole cheer.

If we get those right, I think we'll have very little room to improve.

What do you guys think?

As the token old guy who watched the webcast, right as the game started they showed a student section (dunno which one) and it looked only a third full at best, so I feared the worst. But during the game, the shots of the student section looked completely packed, and I could hear the various cheers pretty clearly, so it seems everything filled out and people learned the important cheers. (Note: people really get behind the "bend over" cheer.)

[Q]A large portion of the crowd still didn't know the sieve-funnel-vacuum-blackhole cheer.[/Q]

I can state for a fact that a large portion of the crowd hasn't known that cheer since the fall of 99 (and probaby well before, but that's all I can comment on ). That has always been a "only the hardcore fans" cheer. If you can change that, great, but it's nothing having to do with this year.

[Q]Oat Wrote:

I loved section B tonight! Everyone was so loud and active and creatively rude to MSU players. I would say this crowd was louder than last year. The intensity and the amount of energy. Maybe it was the nature of the game (fast-paced, physical, and evenly-matched against a really good team). Anyway, the volume was really good. Now we need to work on rhythm. We're chanting everything too friggin fast. I'm talking about "Let's Go Red!" and "Itsall your fault!" etc.. These are both 3-beat cheers and we should NOT be doing it faster than 2 beats per second. "It's all your fault" is much much more powerful and effective if we do it slower.
The drummer of the band should regulate the tempo.

A large portion of the crowd still didn't know the sieve-funnel-vacuum-blackhole cheer.

If we get those right, I think we'll have very little room to improve.

What do you guys think?[/q]


I thought section B was definitely pretty good, but could be better. i was very disappointed at how few people were there a few minutes before the game, but yes, they did show up. Yes, the beat was too fast. I especially noticed it clapping TO the band, when they played Davy, and we were completely off the beat. we're right next to them. its not that hard. dont rush them. speaking of the band, the drummers, as much as they do the "Let's Go Red" after penalties etc, cannot legally play when the puck is on the ice, therefore they really can't regulate the other cheers, nor would we want them to i think.

the people lost the blackhole cheer when the people who started it missed "vacuum" . i don't think they will miss it ever, ever again (or at least I hope not!)

over all, i think it will be good. a friend of mine was visibly getting into Nightingale's head. we need more of that, as always

[Q]gatitita '05 Wrote:

I thought section B was definitely pretty good, but could be better. i was very disappointed at how few people were there a few minutes before the game, but yes, they did show up.[/q]

I don't like how there seemed to be the same exact hole right in the middle of section B at the start of last night's game and last week's game against the U.S. Under-18 team. Granted, I was in two different places for the two games, so maybe I'm seeing things wrong; nevertheless, I hope that this doesn't become a regular occurrence in the middle of B.

[q]the people lost the blackhole cheer when the people who started it missed "vacuum" . i don't think they will miss it ever, ever again (or at least I hope not!)[/q]

A friend and I tried to start the black hole cheer a few years ago, and we totally botched it up. And that's why I'll probably never start the black hole cheer again in my life.

I've always believed that Black Hole is most effective with just one, "you just suck at the end." It's more powerful when it just hangs there in silence. The ways it's dragged on and faded out in recent years brought it down. Last night on the webcast I noticed that the "you just suck" was three times exactly and then there was silence. I guess that's a happy medium between the one time which will probably never return and the fade out so common the last few years.

The brutal dragged out Swanee is still a mess though...

[Q]Chris '03 Wrote:


I've always believed that Black Hole is most effective with just one, "you just suck at the end." It's more powerful when it just hangs there in silence. The ways it's dragged on and faded out in recent years brought it down. Last night on the webcast I noticed that the "you just suck" was three times exactly and then there was silence. I guess that's a happy medium between the one time which will probably never return and the fade out so common the last few years.

The brutal dragged out Swanee is still a mess though...[/q]

The fade out has been common a lot longer than just recently.

I don't claim to know how it was when the cheer started, but the "original" Live and Lynah CD (made in 1997) has the black hole cheer with a fading out "you just suck," and that's really the only version I can recall from around '97 through today.

[Q]Will Wrote:


A friend and I tried to start the black hole cheer a few years ago, and we totally botched it up. And that's why I'll probably never start the black hole cheer again in my life.[/q]

I feel your pain. I don't think I ever messed it up, but I am not ashamed to admit that every time I started it I first went through the order with my friends and insisted they do it with me.

[Q]Jordan 04 Wrote:
I don't claim to know how it was when the cheer started, but the "original" Live and Lynah CD (made in 1997) has the black hole cheer with a fading out "you just suck," and that's really the only version I can recall from around '97 through today.
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That's around when two different cheers started to be screwed up by, strangely, too much rigidity in one case and too little in the other.

The "Black Hole" cheer has been covered above. It's better with just one final "you just suck." Trailing off is bad. I agree that, in the almost impossibility of going back to the first version, a strict three "you just suck"s is more effective.

The other cheer in question, which has been hurt by rigidity in my opinion, is the post-goal cheering. In the old days (Oi!), the "sieve-ing" and "faulting" could, depending on the stupidity of the goal, go on *forever.* Really, I can remember going on and on and on and on to great effect. Now, it's 7 and 3, I believe. Too rigid, too Michigan, and, to me, it takes away from the bedlam that should be associated with great (from our side) and stupid (for their side) goals.

Ah well, here's to the old days.

8 and 4, though the 8th "Sieve!" is usually much weaker as large chunks of the group draw breath for the "It's All Your Fault!"s.

Beeeej

[Q]Scersk '97 Wrote:

The other cheer in question, which has been hurt by rigidity in my opinion, is the post-goal cheering. In the old days (Oi!), the "sieve-ing" and "faulting" could, depending on the stupidity of the goal, go on *forever.* Really, I can remember going on and on and on and on to great effect. Now, it's 7 and 3, I believe. Too rigid, too Michigan, and, to me, it takes away from the bedlam that should be associated with great (from our side) and stupid (for their side) goals.

Ah well, here's to the old days.[/q]

A very good way to describe something that I was unable to put into words. During our trip to Yost, I noticed the robotic 7-sieve only.

Let's not forget the other cheer where silence used to be golden: "Ahhhhh....SEE YA!" The finalistic echo was about as effective as the clink of the penalty box door. "Asshole" was only reserved for those truly deserving. It was added about once or twice per season.

[Q]RichH Wrote:

Let's not forget the other cheer where silence used to be golden: "Ahhhhh....SEE YA!" The finalistic echo was about as effective as the clink of the penalty box door. "Asshole" was only reserved for those truly deserving. It was added about once or twice per season.[/q]

I felt the need to use it twice this weekend. Although I bit my tongue the second time (as the guy who messed up Pegs was going to the showers) because I was down in the corner in A where some ushers were watching awfully closely. So I called him a punk and a jerk. Of course, I need not have worried, since the guy in front of me who told Feola "I'm gonna kill your fucking family" just got a lecture.

Chalk me up as an older guy who's in favor of the higher rigidity with sieve/fault. Sorry, but I think it sounds pretty cool. Trailing off leads to disorder. Disorder leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

You can't really argue against trailing off with one cheer and argue for it with another.

[Q]HeafDog Wrote:

Trailing off leads to disorder. Disorder leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

You can't really argue against trailing off with one cheer and argue for it with another.[/q]

Freakin' Buddhists

Besides, I thought anger leads to the dark side.

[Q]HeafDog Wrote:
You can't really argue against trailing off with one cheer and argue for it with another.[/q]

Sure I can: the two cheers are used in completely different situations. The Black Hole cheer is usually a second-period cheer and works best when started in a dead spot. It goes:

Silence
Intro
   "Hey Dan, you're not..."
Cheer
   "... a goalie, you're a sieve..."
End
   "... you just suck!"
Silence

The goal cheer (quite obviously) happens whenever a goal is scored:

Goal
Wild Cheering
"Davy," Band
Intro
   "1, 2, 3, 4:  we want more!"
Sieve
   "Sieve, sieve, sieve, sieve, sieve, sieve, sieve."
Cheer
   "It's all your fault!  It's all your fault!  It's all your fault!  It's all your fault!"
Wild Cheering
Mintz
   "The *fourth* Cornell goal..."
Names
   "San-ci-mi-no!"
Cheering

The black hole cheer is a cheer; the goal "cheer" is an event. Hence, depending on the character of the event, it should go on longer or should be a short celebration and let's get back to hockey. For example, did Boucher really deserve only a 7, 4 and out? People should've been shouting "It's all your fault!" at him for the *rest of the game*.