2/4/02 Polls
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2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: CowbellGuy (---.biotech.cornell.edu)
Date: February 04, 2002 04:54PM
...are really late this week. I'm about to give up and go home
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Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: curoadkill (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 05:32PM
We got a 1st place vote?!
USA Today:
1. New Hampshire, 250 (7)
2. St. Cloud, 247 (4)
T-3. Michigan State, 244 (3)
Denver, 244 (3)
5. Minnesota, 205 (1)
6. Colorado College, 197
7. Maine, 171
8. Cornell, 144 (1)
9. Boston University, 138
10. Northern Michigan, 116
11. Michigan, 87
12. Nebraska-Omaha, 83
13. Massachusetts-Lowell, 81
14. Alaska-Fairbanks, 37
15. Northeastern, 18
Others receiving votes: Ohio State 9, Wisconsin 3, Dartmouth 2, Western Michigan 2, Harvard 1, Mercyhurst 1.
USA Today:
1. New Hampshire, 250 (7)
2. St. Cloud, 247 (4)
T-3. Michigan State, 244 (3)
Denver, 244 (3)
5. Minnesota, 205 (1)
6. Colorado College, 197
7. Maine, 171
8. Cornell, 144 (1)
9. Boston University, 138
10. Northern Michigan, 116
11. Michigan, 87
12. Nebraska-Omaha, 83
13. Massachusetts-Lowell, 81
14. Alaska-Fairbanks, 37
15. Northeastern, 18
Others receiving votes: Ohio State 9, Wisconsin 3, Dartmouth 2, Western Michigan 2, Harvard 1, Mercyhurst 1.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Melissa'01 (---.ip.termserv.net)
Date: February 04, 2002 05:54PM
holy $h!t! we got a 1st place vote!! more importantly, we are back to about the rank that i was hoping that we would be! sadly, even if we won every game from here on in i don't think that we can go much higher (well - maybe as high as 6) due to the stigma associated with the ECAC. oh well. its nice to get noticed and all but these polls count for squat anyway(except maybe recruiting). all the same, way to go red!
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: jason (---.paulhastings.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 05:55PM
Ugh. I'm not a big fan of the "my fellow voters aren't giving team X its due, so I'll take it upon myself to correct the situation by giving team X an inflated rank", even when Cornell is the beneficiary. Now, rather than folks talking about how Cornell is proving itself formidable with its 6 game win streak against some stiff competition, everyone is going to be bellyaching about this first place vote.
On the other hand, I have not seen any of the 7 teams ranked ahead of us play, so maybe we are indeed better than all of them.
On the other hand, I have not seen any of the 7 teams ranked ahead of us play, so maybe we are indeed better than all of them.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Greg Berge (---.metro1.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 05:59PM
LOL. Well, that's one for the books, I'll say that.
Who knows? Come April, that voter may look like the smartest fan on earth.
Who knows? Come April, that voter may look like the smartest fan on earth.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: ugarte (63.94.240.---)
Date: February 04, 2002 07:01PM
I think that whoever voted Cornell #1 was just looking at the standings, and figured that any first place team with a winning streak deserves a parenthetical after their vote total. I (and probably all of you) don't think our out of conference performance warrants it. I am always suspicious of the polls because it always seems pretty clear that the voters have a very regional focus (not bias, per se, just focus). They only see the local games, so how else could they vote?
But I've got to admit - getting a #1 is pretty cool.
I remember a few years back, a Cornell assistant with a vote in the D-IAA football poll gave a then-undefeated Cornell his vote for #1. Olbermann even mentioned the vote on SportsCenter before the details on who voted us #1 were known. Then Cornell lost a few, and (IIRC) didn't win the Ivies.
But I've got to admit - getting a #1 is pretty cool.
I remember a few years back, a Cornell assistant with a vote in the D-IAA football poll gave a then-undefeated Cornell his vote for #1. Olbermann even mentioned the vote on SportsCenter before the details on who voted us #1 were known. Then Cornell lost a few, and (IIRC) didn't win the Ivies.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.stny.rr.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 07:15PM
big red apple wrote:
Well, we never have, so it's safe to assume we didn't that year either.
I remember a few years back, a Cornell assistant with a vote in the D-IAA football poll gave a then-undefeated Cornell his vote for #1. Olbermann even mentioned the vote on SportsCenter before the details on who voted us #1 were known. Then Cornell lost a few, and (IIRC) didn't win the Ivies.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: melissa (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 07:19PM
still no USCHO poll??
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: melissa (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 07:22PM
never mind. here they are
February 4, 2002
Team (First Place Votes) Record Pts Last Week
1 Denver (11) 23- 5-0 530 1
2 St. Cloud (12) 22- 5-2 525 5
3 New Hampshire (9) 19- 5-3 515 2
4 Michigan State (3) 19- 5-5 485 4
5 Minnesota (3) 19- 6-4 451 3
6 Colorado College (1) 18- 8-2 416 8
7 Maine (1) 16- 7-5 405 6
8 Cornell 15- 5-1 284 11
9 Boston University 16- 7-2 266 10
10 Northern Michigan 18- 8-2 244 7
11 Michigan 16- 8-5 182 12
12 UMass-Lowell 17- 8-1 178 9
13 Nebraska-Omaha 18- 9-3 143 13
14 Alaska-Fairbanks 16-10-2 75 15
15 Ohio State 14-10-4 31 -
Others receiving votes: Northeastern 28, Dartmouth 19,
Clarkson 6, Mercyhurst 5, Air Force 3, Harvard 2,
North Dakota 2, Western Michigan 2, Providence 1,
Union 1, Wisconsin 1
(hope that i didn't miss them already posted)
sorry for the formatting
February 4, 2002
Team (First Place Votes) Record Pts Last Week
1 Denver (11) 23- 5-0 530 1
2 St. Cloud (12) 22- 5-2 525 5
3 New Hampshire (9) 19- 5-3 515 2
4 Michigan State (3) 19- 5-5 485 4
5 Minnesota (3) 19- 6-4 451 3
6 Colorado College (1) 18- 8-2 416 8
7 Maine (1) 16- 7-5 405 6
8 Cornell 15- 5-1 284 11
9 Boston University 16- 7-2 266 10
10 Northern Michigan 18- 8-2 244 7
11 Michigan 16- 8-5 182 12
12 UMass-Lowell 17- 8-1 178 9
13 Nebraska-Omaha 18- 9-3 143 13
14 Alaska-Fairbanks 16-10-2 75 15
15 Ohio State 14-10-4 31 -
Others receiving votes: Northeastern 28, Dartmouth 19,
Clarkson 6, Mercyhurst 5, Air Force 3, Harvard 2,
North Dakota 2, Western Michigan 2, Providence 1,
Union 1, Wisconsin 1
(hope that i didn't miss them already posted)
sorry for the formatting
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.mediaone.net)
Date: February 04, 2002 07:24PM
Apple, we were 6-0 when that first place vote was cast (I thought by Hofher himself), and then went on to lose four straight (all Ivy games, I think) after that.
Is the USA Today poll voted by coaches? Maybe Mazzoleni picked us!
Is the USA Today poll voted by coaches? Maybe Mazzoleni picked us!
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.mediaone.net)
Date: February 04, 2002 07:33PM
The top seven teams will be very difficult to displace.
Seven teams received first place votes (but not the good guys).
Seven teams received first place votes (but not the good guys).
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: ugarte (63.94.240.---)
Date: February 04, 2002 07:34PM
Josh wrote:
For the history of Ivy league champs:
[www.ivyleaguesports.com]
Actually, we won (shared) the Ivy title in 1971, 1988 and 1990. I was one of the first half dozen or so on the field after the gun sounded on the 1990 game against Penn. And was overtaken by the crowd by roughly the 10 yard line (or was it the 3? There is a reason why I watched instead of played). If you only meant that we have never gone undefeated in league play, you are correct.
Well, we never have, so it's safe to assume we didn't that year either.
For the history of Ivy league champs:
[www.ivyleaguesports.com]
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: zg88 (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 09:05PM
I'm amused by Air Force (6th & last (1-9) in the "C(one-'C'-short-of-a-real-league)HA" getting more votes than Hahvahd in the USCHO poll. Ouch.
(I don't get it -- Air Force doesn't have any big wins... just some friends amongst the voters, I guess...)
(And, speaking strictly of the ECAC, it's always an eye-opener for us "old-timers" to see Dartmouth ahead of Clarkson...)
(Also, is it just me, or is it "impossible" to *retroactively* insert these goofy-faces into the middle of already-typed text (between paragraphs, etc.)?? When I try to do so, the face gets put at the very end of all my writing. No biggie -- I'll live...)
(I don't get it -- Air Force doesn't have any big wins... just some friends amongst the voters, I guess...)
(And, speaking strictly of the ECAC, it's always an eye-opener for us "old-timers" to see Dartmouth ahead of Clarkson...)
(Also, is it just me, or is it "impossible" to *retroactively* insert these goofy-faces into the middle of already-typed text (between paragraphs, etc.)?? When I try to do so, the face gets put at the very end of all my writing. No biggie -- I'll live...)
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.stny.rr.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 09:13PM
Well, actually what I meant is that we've never won the title outright.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Greg Berge (---.dial.spiritone.com)
Date: February 04, 2002 09:57PM
You can just cut/paste the smiley's ascii code to wherever you want it to go.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: February 04, 2002 10:25PM
I love the fact that the first place votes are so scattered in this week's poll. It's an indication that the field is wide open this year, with no clear favorite. Several perrenial favorites are down (e.g. last year's finalists) and everyone has stumbled at times. Makes it all more fun, IMO.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Weingarm (---.resnet.buffalo.edu)
Date: February 05, 2002 01:14AM
And funny enough, Keith, that very same parity across college hockey this year is Cornell's only hope to move up beyond #8 (whether it be in a poll, the RPI ranking, or PWR).
You never know... Maine loses one game, then Colorado College trips over Wisconsin, then Minnesota hiccups against N. Dakota and all of the sudden... (keep your fingers crossed for Big Red wins)... Cornell moves up.
Yes, even in the more important RPI and PWR.
Those who argue it will be tough are right. But it's been a while since Cornell had a team which was up to the challenge. This year they do.
You never know... Maine loses one game, then Colorado College trips over Wisconsin, then Minnesota hiccups against N. Dakota and all of the sudden... (keep your fingers crossed for Big Red wins)... Cornell moves up.
Yes, even in the more important RPI and PWR.
Those who argue it will be tough are right. But it's been a while since Cornell had a team which was up to the challenge. This year they do.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: February 05, 2002 01:49AM
My thoughts exactly Mike.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Beeeej (---.udar.columbia.edu)
Date: February 05, 2002 09:37AM
We won the Ivy title in 1988 - though we did have to share it with Penn.
Beeeej
Beeeej
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Beeeej (---.udar.columbia.edu)
Date: February 05, 2002 09:39AM
Okay, I'm confused. Where did you all see this supposed first-place vote? Did they put it in there yesterday by mistake? 'cause it's certainly not there now at [www.uscollegehockey.com].
Beeeej
Beeeej
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Josh '99 (207.10.33.---)
Date: February 05, 2002 09:42AM
The first place vote is in the USA Today poll, not the USCHO poll. That poll is not updated yet for this week on USCHO.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: CUlater '89 (64.244.223.---)
Date: February 05, 2002 09:44AM
The first-place vote to which everyone (other than you) are referring came in the USA Today poll.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Beeeej (---.udar.columbia.edu)
Date: February 05, 2002 09:46AM
Aha!! Thanks muchly, Josh & CULater. I'm sure I'll be awake soon.
(Checks USA Today website)
Okay, so why doesn't the 1st place vote show on their website, [www.usatoday.com]?
Beeeej
(Checks USA Today website)
Okay, so why doesn't the 1st place vote show on their website, [www.usatoday.com]?
Beeeej
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: zg88 (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: February 05, 2002 02:32PM
So, the Big Red have something in common with the top 4 teams in the polls -- fewest overall losses (5).
(testing edit function):
...Oh, and it sure is sweet to see Cornell one notch higher than B.U.!
(testing edit function):
...Oh, and it sure is sweet to see Cornell one notch higher than B.U.!
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: ugarte (63.94.240.---)
Date: February 05, 2002 02:48PM
I can't figure out why the usatoday website doesn't have all of the first place votes, but the total votes work out to 19 voters voting for places 1 -15, so the chart above is probably correct.
(19 voters *(15+14+13+12 . . .) = 2280, which is what you get if you add all of the weighted votes.)
(19 voters *(15+14+13+12 . . .) = 2280, which is what you get if you add all of the weighted votes.)
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.mediaone.net)
Date: February 05, 2002 04:01PM
IIRC, there were 19 first place votes last week, as well.
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Beeeej (---.udar.columbia.edu)
Date: February 05, 2002 04:34PM
And the copy of it on USCHO shows our first place vote, too.
I wonder if that was Mazzoleni?
Beeeej
I wonder if that was Mazzoleni?
Beeeej
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: CowbellGuy (---.biotech.cornell.edu)
Date: February 05, 2002 04:36PM
Somebody already made that joke
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Beeeej (---.udar.columbia.edu)
Date: February 05, 2002 04:37PM
I'm old and forgetful, have some respect. :-{P} <--homegrown goateed emoticon
Beeeej
Beeeej
Re: 2/4/02 Polls
Posted by: Tom Lento (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: February 05, 2002 04:45PM
Hey, Beeeej, if you ask nicely Age might make you a bearded emoticon image set.
I'm sure there's one on the web, too, if you're into finding it.
I'm sure there's one on the web, too, if you're into finding it.
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