Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
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Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Chris 02 (---.icsincorporated.com)
Date: March 20, 2005 12:13PM
Mike Volonnino talks about the goaltenders dual between Hyphen and McKee this weekend and their "off-ice" battle for the Hobey Baker in the classroom. Hyphen is yet another of the 90% of Sucks students to get honors and supposedly this tips the scales in his favor for the Hobey Baker. BLAH!
Article: [www.uscho.com]
Volonnino also mentions Hyphen's slight edge in save percentage (which has now evaporated following the six goals he gave up this weekend). Hyphen has dropped to 3rd in the country in GAA (behind McKee and one of the BC goalies).
Stats: [www.uscho.com]
Article: [www.uscho.com]
Volonnino also mentions Hyphen's slight edge in save percentage (which has now evaporated following the six goals he gave up this weekend). Hyphen has dropped to 3rd in the country in GAA (behind McKee and one of the BC goalies).
Stats: [www.uscho.com]
more hahvad intelligence:
Posted by: icer (69.84.115.---)
Date: March 20, 2005 01:10PM
"And only a fool thinks denies Martin Brodeur's elite status because he plays behind a neutral zone trap."
Speaks for itslef.
Speaks for itslef.
Re: Volonnino loves porno
Posted by: CU at Stanford (---.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 01:43PM
Wasn't Mike Volonnino that idiot Crimson writer whom many Cornellians subscribed on his behalf to various porno websites a few years ago? If so, he is hardly objective to make a comparison between Hyphen and McKee, writing for USCHO.com notwithstanding. The game on Saturday was proof enough who is more deserving as a goalie for the Hobey Baker award. Everyone knows how meaningful an honors student is at Hah-vahd these days (we are no fools). I am, of course, rooting for our own David McKee, but knowing the history of Hobey Baker awards, I doubt a goalie (as good as McKee is) will win it this year. And if any of the four goalies were to be bestowed such honor, it would and should be McKee, not Hyphen. 'nuf said. ![B-]](http://elf.elynah.com/smileys/11.gif "B-]")
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 02:29PM
I don't have a problem with the article. It's pretty fair all around and Volonino is a Harvard partisan after all. But this snippet, however:
[q]It was one of the most anticipated match-ups of the ECAHL year and what a disappointment.
Not the contest for the Cleary Cup.[/q]Ah, Mike, the pisspot was awarded to Cornell weeks ago. Yesterday decided the Whitelaw Trophy.
[q]It was one of the most anticipated match-ups of the ECAHL year and what a disappointment.
Not the contest for the Cleary Cup.[/q]Ah, Mike, the pisspot was awarded to Cornell weeks ago. Yesterday decided the Whitelaw Trophy.
Re: Volonnino loves porno
Posted by: jeh25 (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 02:39PM
[Q]CU at Stanford Wrote:
Wasn't Mike Volonnino that idiot Crimson writer whom many Cornellians subscribed on his behalf to various porno websites a few years ago? If so, he is hardly objective to make a comparison between Hyphen and McKee, writing for USCHO.com notwithstanding. [/q]
Mike Volonnino is actually a very nice guy if you've ever met him, as some of us did a few years back. The infamous pRon provoking article in the Crimson was written at a time when Harvard students barely knew they had a hockey team. Can't blame a guy that loves hockey for trying to get his school fired up about a great rivally. And frankly, whether or not you agree with anything Mike V. writes, I think the college hockey community is lucky to have people like him around considering the hacks that usually draw the non-mainstream sports.
If you really truly hate Harvard that much and can't take a sports writer's column with a little grain of salt, you really need to work on your anger management skills.
In short, factual rebuttals of his column are spot on, but "idiot" is way outta line.
jh
Wasn't Mike Volonnino that idiot Crimson writer whom many Cornellians subscribed on his behalf to various porno websites a few years ago? If so, he is hardly objective to make a comparison between Hyphen and McKee, writing for USCHO.com notwithstanding. [/q]
Mike Volonnino is actually a very nice guy if you've ever met him, as some of us did a few years back. The infamous pRon provoking article in the Crimson was written at a time when Harvard students barely knew they had a hockey team. Can't blame a guy that loves hockey for trying to get his school fired up about a great rivally. And frankly, whether or not you agree with anything Mike V. writes, I think the college hockey community is lucky to have people like him around considering the hacks that usually draw the non-mainstream sports.
If you really truly hate Harvard that much and can't take a sports writer's column with a little grain of salt, you really need to work on your anger management skills.
In short, factual rebuttals of his column are spot on, but "idiot" is way outta line.
jh
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Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: adamw (---.benslm01.pa.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 03:46PM
here, here Mr. Hayes
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Trotsky (---.frdrmd.adelphia.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 04:48PM
I've met Mike and he's a good guy. He also has a pretty high opinion of Cornell, which shows a modicum of patience given all the abuse that's been heaped on him here over the years.
But if he saw the weekend games and is still under the impression that the Red play a trap, he does draw an "idiot," or at least "delusional," rating for that particular judgment.
But if he saw the weekend games and is still under the impression that the Red play a trap, he does draw an "idiot," or at least "delusional," rating for that particular judgment.
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 20, 2005 05:10PM
I'm not sure that he was saying Cornell plays a trap. What he was saying was that everyone knows Brodeur is a talented goalie despite the fact that the Devils play a trap, just like everyone should know that McKee is a talented goalie despite Cornell's defensive system.
But pushing academics as a reason why Hyphen is better than McKee? I don't buy it. That's why they have the Academic All-American squads, not the Hobey.
But pushing academics as a reason why Hyphen is better than McKee? I don't buy it. That's why they have the Academic All-American squads, not the Hobey.
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: jeh25 (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 05:14PM
[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:
But pushing academics as a reason why Hyphen is better than McKee? I don't buy it. That's why they have the Academic All-American squads, not the Hobey.[/q]
Not defending Hyphen over McKee, but the Hobey considers character on and off the ice, right?
If 2 guys were in a deadheat, I could see giving it to the better student on that basis. They are "student-athletes" after all.
But pushing academics as a reason why Hyphen is better than McKee? I don't buy it. That's why they have the Academic All-American squads, not the Hobey.[/q]
Not defending Hyphen over McKee, but the Hobey considers character on and off the ice, right?
If 2 guys were in a deadheat, I could see giving it to the better student on that basis. They are "student-athletes" after all.
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Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 20, 2005 05:19PM
IF they were in a dead heat.
Volonino was essentially making the point they're still in a dead heat. After this weekend, only a homer would say that.
Volonino was essentially making the point they're still in a dead heat. After this weekend, only a homer would say that.
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: ugarte (---.ny325.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 05:40PM
[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:
IF they were in a dead heat.
Volonino was essentially making the point they're still in a dead heat. After this weekend, only a homer would say that.[/q]Amen. He even elides the fact that McKee passed Hyphen in save percentage after Hyphen gave up 6 goals in the last two games.
IF they were in a dead heat.
Volonino was essentially making the point they're still in a dead heat. After this weekend, only a homer would say that.[/q]Amen. He even elides the fact that McKee passed Hyphen in save percentage after Hyphen gave up 6 goals in the last two games.
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Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: jeh25 (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 05:43PM
[Q]ugarte Wrote:
Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:
IF they were in a dead heat.
Volonino was essentially making the point they're still in a dead heat. After this weekend, only a homer would say that.[/Q]
Amen. He even elides the fact that McKee passed Hyphen in save percentage after Hyphen gave up 6 goals in the last two games.[/q]
USCHO has 'em tied -- is it a rounding issue?
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Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 06:15PM
Yes it's a rounding issue. To 4 decimal places Hyphen is still ahead.
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: ugarte (---.ny325.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 06:19PM
[Q]KeithK Wrote:
Yes it's a rounding issue. To 4 decimal places Hyphen is still ahead.[/q]My bad. I misread a prior thread and thought that it said that McKee was ahead of Hyphen when it was taken out another place. Here is hoping that UNH lights up Hyphen.
Yes it's a rounding issue. To 4 decimal places Hyphen is still ahead.[/q]My bad. I misread a prior thread and thought that it said that McKee was ahead of Hyphen when it was taken out another place. Here is hoping that UNH lights up Hyphen.
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Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 06:25PM
[q]Here is hoping that UNH lights up Hyphen. [/q]Here's hoping that Hyphen gives up lots of goals next Friday but one fewer than Regan and Pietrasiak.
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Trotsky (---.frdrmd.adelphia.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 06:32PM
Here's hoping Harvard meets us in the final and *we* light him up.
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 20, 2005 09:04PM
[Q]Trotsky Wrote:
Here's hoping Harvard meets us in the final and *we* light him up.[/q]
Sweet thought.
Here's hoping Harvard meets us in the final and *we* light him up.[/q]
Sweet thought.
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Date: March 20, 2005 09:33PM
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: David Harding (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 10:22PM
McKee is 712/752=0.9468
Hypen is 880/929=0.9473
To four (or any greater number) decimals, McKee is ahead on save percentage.
Is this a meaningful difference? Some months ago I think the consensus here was that three decimals was about the limit that anyone wanted to push, given the uncertainty in counting shots on goal.
Hypen is 880/929=0.9473
To four (or any greater number) decimals, McKee is ahead on save percentage.
Is this a meaningful difference? Some months ago I think the consensus here was that three decimals was about the limit that anyone wanted to push, given the uncertainty in counting shots on goal.
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date: March 20, 2005 10:24PM
[Q]David Harding Wrote:
McKee is 712/752=0.9468
Hypen is 880/929=0.9473
To four (or any greater number) decimals, McKee is ahead on save percentage.
Is this a meaningful difference? Some months ago I think the consensus here was that three decimals was about the limit that anyone wanted to push, given the uncertainty in counting shots on goal.
[/q]
McKee is ahead?
McKee is 712/752=0.9468
Hypen is 880/929=0.9473
To four (or any greater number) decimals, McKee is ahead on save percentage.
Is this a meaningful difference? Some months ago I think the consensus here was that three decimals was about the limit that anyone wanted to push, given the uncertainty in counting shots on goal.
[/q]
McKee is ahead?
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Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Avash (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 20, 2005 10:24PM
I sat right next to Mike V. in the press box for both Cornell games this weekend. As someone said earlier in the thread, he really does seem to have a lot of respect for Cornell, and in particular, its defensive system and ability to use size to its advantage. I thought he was a nice guy. And...he went to Harvard, so it's not much of a surprise that he tried to show Dov in the best possible light. Big deal.
After all, if I had written the article, I would have mentioned that McKee deserves to win the Hobey Baker Award because he is better at hunting
After all, if I had written the article, I would have mentioned that McKee deserves to win the Hobey Baker Award because he is better at hunting
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: David Harding (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 10:32PM
[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
David Harding Wrote:
McKee is 712/752=0.9468
Hypen is 880/929=0.9473
To four (or any greater number) decimals, McKee is ahead on save percentage.
Is this a meaningful difference? Some months ago I think the consensus here was that three decimals was about the limit that anyone wanted to push, given the uncertainty in counting shots on goal.
[/Q]
McKee is ahead?[/q]
Yep!
Andy W pointed out ( [elf.elynah.com] ) before the game that if Hypen let in two more goals than McKee, McKee would take the lead. It happened.
You can get the raw numbers from USCHO (link in the lead post of this thread) and double check the arithmentic. They give saves and GA, the sum of which is obviously the SOG.
Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: Beeeej (68.160.255.---)
Date: March 20, 2005 10:36PM
[Q]David Harding Wrote:
Al DeFlorio Wrote:
David Harding Wrote:
McKee is 712/752=0.9468
Hypen is 880/929=0.9473
To four (or any greater number) decimals, McKee is ahead on save percentage.
Is this a meaningful difference? Some months ago I think the consensus here was that three decimals was about the limit that anyone wanted to push, given the uncertainty in counting shots on goal.
[/Q]
McKee is ahead?[/Q]
Yep!
Andy W pointed out ( ) before the game that if Hypen let in two more goals than McKee, McKee would take the lead. It happened.
You can get the raw numbers from USCHO (link in the lead post of this thread) and double check the arithmentic. They give saves and GA, the sum of which is obviously the SOG.[/q]
You do realize that the goalie with the greater number has the better save percentage, don't you? Hyphen is still ahead, by 0.0005.
And Andy's point was premised on the two goalies facing a similar number of shots, which they most certainly did not.
Beeeej
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Re: Yet another honors student at Harvard deserves the Hobey Baker????
Posted by: David Harding (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2005 10:46PM
[Q]Beeeej Wrote:
David Harding Wrote:
Al DeFlorio Wrote:
David Harding Wrote:
McKee is 712/752=0.9468
Hypen is 880/929=0.9473
To four (or any greater number) decimals, McKee is ahead on save percentage.
Is this a meaningful difference? Some months ago I think the consensus here was that three decimals was about the limit that anyone wanted to push, given the uncertainty in counting shots on goal.
[/Q]
McKee is ahead?[/Q]
Yep!
Andy W pointed out ( ) before the game that if Hypen let in two more goals than McKee, McKee would take the lead. It happened.
You can get the raw numbers from USCHO (link in the lead post of this thread) and double check the arithmentic. They give saves and GA, the sum of which is obviously the SOG.[/Q]
You do realize that the goalie with the greater number has the better save percentage, don't you? Hyphen is still ahead, by 0.0005.
And Andy's point was premised on the two goalies facing a similar number of shots, which they most certainly did not.
Beeeej[/q]
Ooof. One too many glasses of wine with dinner dulls the senses to such subtleties.
I will retreat to the argument that there is no justification for calculating the percentage to more than three decimals.
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