PWR Updates - Saturday

If we win, it looks like:
CC, UNH win - we're #2 overall
CC, BC win - we're #3
Den., UNH win - we're #4
Den., BC win - we're # 5
If we end up #3 or #4, we'd play Wisconsin if Q'pac. wins, and Maine if M'hurst wins - as Colgate will be #14.

With BC win, it looks like a Cornell win will put us at #3 (CC win) or 5 (Den. win). It also looks like BU will be #12 in those scenarios, so even if we're #5, they might put us in a 5-12 match-up in Worcester, with the winner playing #3.

I'd say it's up to the committee. Most likely we either get a 5-12 match-up w/ BU in Worcester or we go to Minn and play Wisconsin. We'll know tomorrow.

Colgate only in with the bonus

BU is #12 only with the 3-2-1 bonus, with the (more unlikely?) 5-3-1 bonus, Maine jumps to #12. As much as I'd love to extend my break here in MN, I'd rather be out east. Freakin' CC/UNH.

Could someone please explain why we are #5 and the Gophers are #4 in the PWR when we both win the same number of comparisons and our RPI is higher?

Minnesota wins the individual comparison with us and thus breaks the tie.
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Oh. I thought RPI was used to break head to head ties.

...and with a 3/2/1 bonus, which is what I've assumed in the above posts, Minnesota's got one more comparison than us anyway.

[Q]redredux Wrote:

Oh. I thought RPI was used to break head to head ties.[/q]

RPI is used to decide a comparison if each team has the same number of comparisons. It's also used to break a rock-scissors-paper 3-way tie if the comparisons can't resolve it. But a two-way tie should be broken using the individual comparison.

Anyway, the bonus points flip the Minnesota-UNH comparison, so we don't have the same number of comparisons won after all.

I just realized if Brown had stayed a TUC over this weekend, then Cornell would have been a number 1 seed, since it would have flipped the Minnesota comparison. Dam that .0006 in the RPI. My bad that 0.0007 that Brown needed to overcome

I remember back quite a few years ago when your record in the last 20 games was taken into account as well. John, or someone else, can you tell me when "record in the last 20 games" was taken out of the mix?. Anyway, it just doesnt seem fair that cornell who went 18 Wins - 1 loss - 1 tie should be stuck with a #5 seed and presumably a trip to minnesota while minnesota finishes up with 11 wins - 8 losses - and 1 tie and gets to enjoy the advantage of that big home ice. I realize that there isn't anything we can do about the "if you host a regional, you can stay home" rule, but teams should be rewarded for their play going into the regionals. The basketball pundits on espn always say how the b-ball committee takes into account your recent play as well as team injuries when deciding how teams are seeded.

At this point i put on my carnellian colored glasses.
early season records are biased against the ivies and any other team that don't allow organized (official) practices until ~ Oct 15th. the Michigans, and minnesotas, and denvers of the college hockey world have been having official practices since ~ oct 1st and already have a few games under their belt. Between this and the 3 week exam break in december, most of the ecachl teams are at a disadvantage. Since most of the PWR comparisions are won-lost during the early season and the holiday tourneys, we are screwed if we (and our ecachl colleagues) if we play a tough nc schedule, because we take losses knowing that on the ice it will make us a better team, but on the sheets of paper given to the committee, it ends up hurting us.
carnellian colored glasses off.

I realize that the last 20 is skewed because almost all of those games are conference games, and if you are in a conference with several equivalent teams you will take a few more losses than in a conference with one or two top teams. but the bottom line is, cornell (and a few other teams) have taken care of business all season long, particularly in the last 20 games when it *should* matter the most with respect how a team is expected to perform in the playoffs.

for the sake of completeness (WLT) of the teams in the mix going into this weekend
and cornell finished stronger than the other "#1 seeds.. cc, du, bc and minn".

cornell 18-1-1
colg 12-5-3
harvard 12-6-2
ver 10-9-1
dart 14-6

denver 15-4-1
cc 13-5-2
wisc 10-7-3
minn 11-8-1
und 9-8-3

bc 13-3-4
unh 11-6-3
bu 10-6-4
maine 11-5-4

mich 15-2-2
osu 14-5-1
nmu 13-4-3

on a happy note, i was able to watch cornell beat harvard in west lafayette IN (albeit no sound), and met another cornell alum also living in the area (the big red sweatshirts and jerseys do stand out in a bar....).