Another New Recruit

Looks like we got another winger. Seems like we're going to have an awfully large number of forwards next year, no? We lose 3, gain 6, and we've already got a bunch of guys (McCutcheon, McLeod, McKeown..man, don't try to play hockey at Cornell if your last name starts with Mc) not playing regularly. Anyway, he's the leading scorer on the BCHL Quesnel Millionaires, 6'2", 192...

[www.bchl.bc.ca]

here's his profile:
[www.bchl.bc.ca]

an excerpt:
Ryan Kindret of Winnipeg, MB has accepted a scholarship to Cornell University for the 2005-06 season. Kindret leads the Millionaires in points with 29 goals and 31 assists with 6 games remaining in the regular season.

his line:
51-29-31-60-86

Even though he plays the other wing, I have to think that this has to have something to do with Connors having such a mediocre season.

Jersey Number: 17
Position: LW
Height: 6' 2"
Weight: 192
Hometown: Winnipeg, MB
Shoots: Left
Date of Birth: April 11, 1985 (19 years) <-- yikes...

His production has really picked up in the second half of the season.

The more I think about it, I don't know that I think it has anything to do with Connors and his production..The class that'll be seniors next year has 5 core, starting forwards. I guess in order to not have a huge gaping hole in two years, you bring in more guys than you need next year, and then you have a much more seasoned/advanced group to fill in for Moulson/Hynes/Abbots/Pegs

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

April 11[/q]


Woo!

They have 4 LW's coming in next year but Kennedy and Barlow play center as well I guess.

I know that the St. Thomas Stars list Kennedy as a C.

Also of note, the Stars finished up their regular season, Mike Kennedy finished the regular season 32-15-19-34-28 and now leads the team with 5 goals in 4 playoff games.

other stat updates:

Matt Connors is 38-15-16-31

Evan Barlow is 49-35-34-69-60

Tyler Mugford is 51-18-23-41-112

Jared Seminoff is 44-6-16-22-64

Taylor Davenport is 46-7-11-18-72

The really big question mark is Greening. Great size and great numbers coming out of a not so good league. Ranked pretty high for the draft considering - really tough to say.

It surprises me a little that one or two of the forwards are not deferring until Fall '06 (although I suppose they always can). Are they going to get experience and adjust to the college game by riding the pine for a year? Would it not be as effective (perhaps moreso) to play an extra year in the BCHL or wherever?

It wasn't until around March last year that Mugford deferred so I wouldn't be at all surprised if one or two of them deferred. I would say Greening and Davenport are possibilities because they are coming from not very strong leagues and Connors because he hasn't done that well this season.

Maybe its me being ignorant, but i thought Cornell, being part of the ivy league, could not give athletic scholarships..... just curious

[Q]BigMike Wrote:

Maybe its me being ignorant, but i thought Cornell, being part of the ivy league, could not give athletic scholarships..... just curious
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It's in the FAQ: [www.elynah.com]

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

....... Great size and great numbers coming out of a not so good league. Ranked pretty high for the draft considering - really tough to say. [/q]

This sounds like a quote from one of the 225 "Cornell is overrated" threads on USCHO...

[Q]pfibiger Wrote:
and we've already got a bunch of guys (McCutcheon, McLeod, McKeown..man, don't try to play hockey at Cornell if your last name starts with Mc)[/q]

Poor David McKee

(I know, I know, you were talking about forwards )

A small article about Ryan Kindret from the Quesnel newspaper:

[www.quesnelobserver.com]

[Q]Cornell commits to Kindret [/Q]

That headline is a backwards way to say it...

Unless it's a Canadian way to communicate that he's been offered a "scholarship," or a way for the local paper to puff up the local kid.

"Quesnel is located 660 kilometers (422 miles) north of Vancouver on Highway 97."

It's in the "Central Interior" of British Columbia, which sounds very, very rural. Ithaca's going to be an overwhelming metropolitan experience for the young man.

Good luck to him.

Well written FAQ Hayes.

the Red are losing 6 players: 2 D-men, 3 Fwds, and 1G ... and have 8 committed freshman (hopefully 9 with the addition of a goalie):2 D-men, 6 Fwds, 0 G.
some of these guys are definitely going defer a year. is it safe to say the 2-3 weakest forwards might get shipped to Clippers (possibly) for a season with coach Bestwick in the BCHL.

my order:

Tyler Mugford-LW 
Nanaimo (BCHL) 60-16-12-28-182 || 41-25-38-63-105 SMHL 1st Team All-Star
6'1 195 1-14-85

Ryan Kindret-LW 
Quesnel (BCHL) 58-18-21-39-104 || 42-23-26-49-64
6'1 200 4-11-85 

Evan Barlow-LC 
Salmon Arm (BCHL) || 56-22-29-51-129  2004 All-Rookie
5'9 170 11-8-85

Jared Seminoff-RD 
Nanaimo (BCHL) || 58-2-10-12-103 2003 All-Rookie Team
5'11 185 2-27-86
60-5-16-21-78 

Colin Greening-LW 
Upper Canada College
6'2 186 3-9-86

Mike Kennedy-LC 
St.Thomas (WOJHL) || 47-13-11-24-12
6'2 175 8-21-86
46-17-9-26-15

Matt Connors-RW
Apple Core (EJHL) || 70-78-51-129-80
6'1 185 11-15-86

Taylor Davenport-D
Drayton Valley (AJHL) || 45-3-5-8-64
5'10 175 4-15-85

From the numbers above, any guesses who those 2-3 (if any) might be? is there anyone who thinks all 8 will come next fall? thoughts ...?

If all 8 come, somebody is going to the blueline. Hell, somebody might become a goalie.

Ben,

I think your ordering is kinda off Mugford has put up fine but unimpressive numbers for two years with the clippers. I seem him as sort of a Vateressian type player, he's certainly got the PIMs to justify the enforcer role. I wouldn't put him near the top of this incoming list of recruits. Just forwards, I think the ranking would be Connors, Greening, Barlow, Kindret, Kennedy, Mugford.

Does age play into deferring a year at all? I think we're most likely to see Mike Kennedy defer for a year. Despite a mediocre year, Connors and to a lesser degree Greening are very highly regarded, and are the other '86 forwards on the list.

I think Craig was the one who brought it up in discussion in irc last week during the game, but maybe we're seeing so many forwards in next year because Schafer knows he's going to lose at least one forward in addition to the seniors. Since there doesn't seem to be an NHL at this point, I don't think we're going to lose Hynes (which was talked about after '03), but maybe McKeown or McLeod is planning on leaving the team? And hey, maybe Greg's right, someone will end up moving to the blueline.

Looking at impact offensive players of college hockey that have come from the BCHL and EJHL in particular, they are far above point-a-game players at those levels. I'm not sure how you did your rankings Ben, but Mugford is quite possibly the bottom of the list. Him, Kindret, and Kennedy will all be 3rd/4th liners if they crack the lineup at all. Kindret may be better than his numbers indicate because he plays on one of the lower teams in the league. I don't expect Mugford to crack the lineup at first and I agree with PFibiger that he'll ultimately be a Varteressian-type with his PIM's and his enforcerish type reputation. I think Kennedy could be an Iggulden-type. He isn't coming out of a very good league and doesn't have great numbers although decent, but he does have good size and central scouting is relatively high on him especially for the league he is coming out of. Barlow will be an offensive player on the top two lines. He has put up very good numbers this year and I expect him to contend for a spot on the top two lines as early as next year. Obviously his size is a detractor, but with guys like Vesce and Scott in major roles in recent years, I don't expect it to be much of a problem. Greening is tough to tell. He, like Kennedy, is also coming out of a so-so league, but he has good size and a good reputation offensively and thus has been rated pretty highly for the draft. I also expect him to also compete for a spot on the top two lines as early as next year. Connors has had a disappointing year but still has tremendous upside. He has good size and good speed and sounds like he will fit in well with Cornell. He may have a better shot at cracking the lineup next year because he is the only right winger of the six forwards. However, of the players I know in the EJHL and play against him on a regular basis, they have all spoken negatively of him as if he is overrated considering the players he is playing with. In my opinion, I think he would be best-served doing another year in the EJHL because he is still young and hasn't developed as quickly as perhaps some might have hoped. Anyways, depth is a great thing and the coaching staff will definitely have that with the forwards next year.
Seminoff I think will definitely be a regular next year with Davenport and Glover probably battling it out for the sixth spot. That is of course unless there is another blueliner on the way which I think there still may be.

i ordered them based on DOB and the likelihood they would/could defer. Mugford (already deferred once, that’s why he’s on top); Kindret (already has 2 seasons in the BCHL); and Davenport (is at the bottom b/c he’s old and he is having a poor season numbers wise) … are all ’85 and would all be coming in already 20 with Barlow turning 20 in November. thus the likelihood any would defer (again) is quite small. the others are listed lower based on age only. if it’s true that some of the current team aren’t returning then i could see more incoming forwards than we graduate. i agree and think depth is a great thing but shelving some talent (ie off to the Clippers) could be of greater help a year down the road than possibly having them ride the pine in Ithaca. just a thought.

[Q]ben03 Wrote:

i ordered them based on DOB and the likelihood they would/could defer. Mugford (already deferred once, that’s why he’s on top); Kindret (already has 2 seasons in the BCHL); and Davenport (is at the bottom b/c he’s old and he is having a poor season numbers wise) … are all ’85 and would all be coming in already 20 with Barlow turning 20 in November. thus the likelihood any would defer (again) is quite small. the others are listed lower based upon age only. if it’s true that some of the current team aren’t returning then i could see more incoming forwards than we graduate. i agree and think depth is a great thing but shelving some talent (ie off to the Clippers) could be of greater help a year down the road than possibly having them ride the pine in Ithaca. just a thought.[/q]

alrighty! i agree that one or two should go somewhere else and develop next year rather than the press box at Lynah.

[Q]ganderson Wrote:

Well written FAQ Hayes. [/q]

Thank ya. I try...

just thinking out loud here, but could schafer be covering his behind in case some players leave early for what could become of the NHL, if they use replacement players that is?

i know it's a long way away, and i really hope that it doesn't come to that, but would college players be a likely source for replacement players

i doubt dan glover will fight for ice time next year. i think he has earned his way to a regular spot as a junior. he is one of the best fore- and back checkers on the team. he is huge and he is a draft pick, and beyond that, hes played that role of the replacement awesome dude off the bench where did that come from player for 2 years. next year, with the current seniors gone, he's right there third or second line.

Glover plays defense. Defensemen don't tend to do much forechecking or backchecking, and they certainly don't play on lines. As far as him being a draft pick, I don't think that has much to do with who plays how much and where

you forcheck in the offensive zone and a defensive pairing is the same as a line. picky picky

Research on Ice, a free newsletter, reports that Justin Milo of Sioux Falls (USHL) has committed to Cornell for 2006.

Previously he played at Shattuck St. Mary's and for the Detroit Honeybaked Midget AAA team. He is 5'6" tall and weighs 176 lb. He lives in Eden Falls, MN and was born on 2/23/1987.


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I'm always amazed at how "old" these "kids" are. Is this common with other NCAA hockey teams? What about other sports? I believe football and squeakball teams generally have true freshmen.

[Q]KenP Wrote:

I'm always amazed at how "old" these "kids" are. Is this common with other NCAA hockey teams? What about other sports? I believe football and squeakball teams generally have true freshmen.
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I think I remember my U of Florida fan friends bemoaning the fact that Florida State had a 30 year old quarterback.

Ken,

It is really common. Brown has two kids who'll be over 21 before they step on campus. I guess it has to do with schools wanting kids to play at least a year of junior hockey after high school.

As for Justin Milo..the kid is tiny, but he is a catch. 3rd in the entire USHL in goals scored as a rookie, ahead of highly touted recruits for BC, Minnesota, etc like Brock Bradford, Blake Wheeler, etc..

Did he commit to Cornell or Colgate? The list of "futures" refers to Colgate's recruits.

He committed to Cornell. I figure the guy just screwed up with his cut/paste from Heisenberg's site. It'd be pretty weird if Mike Schafer told Topher Scott to show this kid around the Colgate campus

Milo played last year for the unbelievable Shattuck St. Mary's program and also used to be play with Honey Baked - another program with an outstanding reputation. He's played with some very good players.

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Beeeej

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Beeeej[/q]
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[Q]ursaminor Wrote:

Beeeej Wrote:
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Not gonna report you, or anything, I'm just addressing what you said when you posted it. :-{)} It's not a safe assumption.

Beeeej[/Q]
Feel free to remove the article or have Age do so.
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Guess you missed my point. I don't care what people post here, and I doubt Age does (at least up until the point where someone tries to hold him responsible for it as the owner). I just care when people think something about the law that isn't true. "It's free, so I can reproduce it anywhere and as much as I want" is close to my favorite, but generally runs a close second to "If someone tells me to shut up or deletes my posts they're infringing on my constitutional right to free speech."

Beeeej

 

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