Hobey Voting

McKee seems in realistic danger of falling to ninth place in the fan voting.

Beeeej

McKee is leading the ninth place votegetter by 13,000 to 12,000. Not that he doesn't need our support. It seems a grave slur on Cam's name that Noah Welch is tied with Abbott. Somebody should expend a couple second- or third-place votes to fix that.

Points Name Team Pos. Year 
28318 Tuomas Tarkki Northern Michigan G Sr. 
23556 Jordan Sigalet Bowling Green G Sr. 
16259 Jason Guerriero Northeastern F Sr. 
16124 Keni Gibson Northeastern G Sr. 
15761 Marty Sertich Colorado College F Jr. 
15253 Colin Murphy Michigan Tech F Sr. 
14692 Brent Walton Western Michigan F Jr. 
13238 David McKee Cornell G So. 
12044 Barret Ehgoetz Niagara F Sr. 
11874 Nathan Oystrick Northern Michigan D Jr. 
11242 Jonathan Sigalet Bowling Green D So. 
10799 Bernd Bruckler Wisconsin G Sr. 
8637 Scott Mifsud Vermont F Sr. 
7815 Brett Sterling Colorado College F Jr. 
7507 Ryan Gale Niagara F Sr. 
7099 Kevin Croxton Rensselaer F Jr. 
6751 Matt Moulson Cornell F Jr. 
6525 Pat Bateman Northern Michigan F So. 
5952 Nick Economakos Rensselaer F Sr. 
5916 Ryan MacMurchy Wisconsin F Jr. 
5739 Jeremy Downs Cornell D Sr. 
5555 Darin Olver Northern Michigan F So. 
5531 Jared Ross Alabama-Huntsville F Sr. 
5328 Gabe Gauthier Denver F Jr. 
5249 Danny Irmen Minnesota F So. 
5167 Lee Stempniak Dartmouth F Sr. 
5138 Pat Dwyer Western Michigan D Sr. 
5122 Chris Conner Michigan Tech F Jr. 
5080 Mike Knoepfli Cornell F Sr. 
5074 James Unger Bowling Green F So. 
4239 Ryan Potulny Minnesota F So. 
4117 Preston Callander New Hampshire F Sr. 
3827 Robbie Earl Wisconsin F So. 
3769 Cam Ellsworth Michigan Tech G Sr. 
3760 Joe Fallon Vermont G Fr. 
3412 T.J. Hensick Michigan F So. 
3410 Jaime Sifers Vermont D Jr. 
3294 Jimmy Howard Maine G Jr. 
3154 Brad Zancanaro Boston University F Jr. 
3045 Evan Schwabe Minnesota Duluth F Sr. 
3009 Craig Bushey Alabama-Huntsville F Sr. 
2987 Bruce Mulherin Alabama-Huntsville F Jr. 
2870 Kirk MacDonald Rensselaer F Jr. 
2709 Andy Greene Miami D Jr. 
2703 Vince Bellissimo Western Michigan F Jr. 
2659 Dov Grumet-Morris Harvard G Sr. 
2613 Patrick Eaves Boston College F Jr. 
2598 Brendan Bernakevitch Harvard F Sr. 
2594 Eric Nystrom Michigan F Sr. 
2585 Derek Nesbitt Ferris State F Sr. 
2489 Brendan Cook Bemidji State F Sr. 
2320 Matt Zaba Colorado College G So. 
2287 Andrew Murray Bemidji State F Sr. 
2217 Alvaro Montoya Michigan G Jr. 
2078 Jake Fleming Minnesota F Sr. 
2076 Mike Sertich Colorado College F Fr. 
2039 Mathew Deschamps Maine D Sr. 
2015 Sean Collins New Hampshire F Sr. 
2013 Shane Hynes Cornell F Jr. 
1987 Curtis McElhinney Colorado College G Sr. 
1986 Lars Helminen Michigan Tech D So. 
1973 Jonathan Matsumoto Bowling Green F Fr. 
1882 Jeff Tambellini Michigan F Jr. 
1878 Kellen Briggs Minnesota G So. 
1786 Kevin Porter Michigan F Fr. 
1738 Jordan Parise North Dakota G So. 
1728 James Pemberton Providence D Jr. 
1675 Derek Damon Maine F Sr. 
1633 Marco Peluso Minnesota Duluth F Sr. 
1614 Tony Zancanaro Providence F So. 
1606 Jeff Legue Ferris State F Sr. 
1559 Nick Fuher North Dakota D Sr. 
1552 David Backes Minnesota State F So. 
1522 Tyler Hirsch Minnesota F Jr. 
1515 Jim Slater Michigan State F Sr. 
1513 Adam Burish Wisconsin F Jr. 
1488 Chris Bourque Boston University F Fr. 
1483 Brandon Kaleniecki Michigan F Jr. 
1451 Jake Dowell Wisconsin F So. 
1406 Travis Zajac North Dakota F Fr. 
1356 Michel Léveillé Maine F Jr. 
1349 Tim Boron St. Cloud State G So. 
1344 Elias Godoy UMass Lowell F Jr. 
1319 Ben Walter UMass Lowell F Jr. 
1298 Cam Abbott Cornell F Jr. 
1298 Noah Welch Harvard D Sr. 
1293 Alex Goligoski Minnesota D Fr. 
1286 Bill Thomas Nebraska-Omaha F Fr. 
1278 John Curry Boston University G So. 
1275 Grant Goeckner-Zoeller Princeton F So. 
1236 Nick Licari Wisconsin F Jr. 
1235 Judd Stevens Minnesota D Sr. 
1227 A.J. Thelen Michigan State D So. 
1206 Mark Stuart Colorado College D Jr. 
1202 Pete MacArthur Boston University F Fr. 
1202 Lee Sweatt Colorado College D So. 
1196 Brian Yandle New Hampshire D Jr. 
1191 Andrew Martin UMass Lowell F Jr. 
1182 Colby Genoway North Dakota F Sr. 
1179 Tom Fritsche Ohio State F Fr. 
1174 Milan Gajic Michigan F Sr. 
1174 Matt Jones North Dakota D Sr. 
1173 Scott Parse Nebraska-Omaha F So. 
1172 Robbie Barker New Hampshire D Sr. 
1169 Gino Guyer Minnesota F Jr. 
1168 David Moss Michigan F Sr. 
1168 Joe Pavelski Wisconsin F Fr. 
1162 Steve Silverthorn Colgate G Sr. 
1161 Justin Aikins New Hampshire F Sr. 
1161 Drew Stafford North Dakota F So. 
1158 Ross Carlson Wisconsin F So. 
1158 Matt Hunwick Michigan D So. 
1156 Charlie Cook Cornell F Sr. 
1156 Joey Crabb Colorado College F Jr. 
1156 Daniel Winnik New Hampshire F So. 
1155 Chris Harrington Minnesota D Jr. 
1155 Jacob Micflikier New Hampshire F So. 
1155 Topher Scott Cornell F Fr. 
1153 Jeff Likens Wisconsin D So. 
1153 Sasha Pokulok Cornell D Fr. 
1152 Philippe Lamoreux North Dakota G Fr. 
1150 Jimmy Kilpatrick Colorado College F Fr. 
1149 Brett Hemingway New Hampshire F So. 
1149 Scott Polaski Colorado College F Sr. 
1149 Eric Werner Michigan D Sr. 
1148 Ryan Shannon Boston College F Sr. 
1148 Tyson Teplitsky New Hampshire D Sr. 
1147 Tom Cavanagh Harvard F Sr. 
1147 Matti Kaltiainen Boston College G Sr. 
1147 Jason Ryznar Michigan F Sr. 
1146 Dan Knapp Nebraska-Omaha D So. 
1146 Brady Murray North Dakota F So. 
1146 Andy Sertich Minnesota F Jr. 
1145 Scott Reynolds Mercyhurst F Jr. 
1145 Luke Stauffacher Minnesota Duluth F Sr. 
1144 Bryan Schmidt Merrimack D Jr. 
1144 Tim Stapleton Minnesota Duluth F Jr. 
1144 Barry Tallackson Minnesota F Sr. 
1144 Stephen Werner Massachusetts F Jr. 
1143 Marvin Degon Massachusetts D Jr. 
1143 Jeff Pietrasiak New Hampshire G Jr. 
1143 Brandon Rogers Michigan D Sr. 

I think it's fair to say that Pokulok's injury has pretty much ruined any Hobey aspirations for this year.

No, keep voting for him. What better way to prove to the rest of the nation what great fans we are than to stuff the voting for someone hurt? Never mind that he never had a real chance as a candidate anyway. Why use your votes to give support to a realistic candidate? Nobody else does.

Anybody else find it suspicious that the bottom tier of the voting has virtually identical tallies? I think there may be an "x" factor added across the board each day to make the numbers look a little fatter.

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

Anybody else find it suspicious that the bottom tier of the voting has virtually identical tallies? I think there may be an "x" factor added across the board each day to make the numbers look a little fatter.[/q]If your school has only one or two eligible players, the logical thing to do is to give the rest of your votes to someone who is at or near the bottom of the standings. I doubt that there is anything else happening here.

Do you think people are really "load balancing" like that? I'd be surprised, but it's a theory that never occurred to me, that's true.

Trotzky,
I have done that in past years. This year, RPI has the optimal three players on the ballot, so it isn't necessary. (Isn't ballot stuffing wodnerful? )

[Q]ursaminor Wrote:

Trotzky,
I have done that in past years. This year, RPI has the optimal three players on the ballot, so it isn't necessary. (Isn't ballot stuffing wodnerful? )[/q]

It's more wonderful if Cornell benefits from the stuffing.

I forgot the rules: the Hobey committee must choose from among the top ten fan picks or is guided by the picks? Even if they have to pick from ten, odds are pretty good the best couple players will be in there, along with fan faves from Northeastern or whoever has lots of students and web connections.

What's for sure is that every time each of goes to the site: We're exposed to the ads on the HobeyBaker pages. So, who's taking advantage of whom?

Bill,

the cumulative fan vote (or at least the final ranking of the players by the fans) counts as a single vote for hobey. So there are 58 other voters, the online voters are the 59th.

Mckee is now in danger of falling into the 10th and final spot. KEEP VOTING!

When is the cutoff? Sounds like it might be a race.

We just need to make sure he stays in the top ten so that the real voters have a chance to vote for him.

I think you're misconstruing how it works. I don't believe that the fans have the power to limit the 58 coaches to choosing the Hobey Baker winner from only the ten players whom we've voted for arbitrarily. I believe that in this round, the fans are, in the aggregate, one voter out of 59 to determine the ten finalists - and in the next round, the fans are, in the aggregate, one voter out of 59 to pick the winner from those ten finalists.

Do you really believe if the 7th and 30th best goalies finish in the top ten in fan voting but McKee doesn't, the 58 other voters are forbidden from considering him?

Beeeej

[Q]Beeeej Wrote:

I think you're misconstruing how it works. I don't believe that the fans have the power to limit the 58 coaches to choosing the Hobey Baker winner from only the ten players whom we've voted for arbitrarily. I believe that in this round, the fans are, in the aggregate, one voter out of 59 to determine the ten finalists - and in the next round, the fans are, in the aggregate, one voter out of 59 to pick the winner from those ten finalists.
Beeeej[/q]
Almost correct. You have to piece together the exact (but not always specified) process from several sources on the hobey website. For the fan balloting, they outline 3 "phases" here: [www.hobeybaker.com] I'll try to reconcile the fan process with the actual Hobey determination process as best as I understand it. This is outlined on a seperate page here: [www.hobeybaker.com]

Phase 1: Purely for the fans. All this phase does is determines what names are eligible to appear on the phase 2 ballot in the fan-vote interface.

Phase 2: Fans stuff away. 58 head coaches compile two 3-person ballots: one for players in their league and one for players nationwide. The votes are tabulated from all sources (somehow...see my discussion below) and the list of ten finalists is determined and announced.

Phase 3: The Hobey Baker Memorial Award recipient is determined by a final vote of the Hobey Baker Selection Committee (comprised of coaches, media, and scouts) and the one-vote-only final phase of the fan balloting. The top three are announced as the "Hobey Hat-Trick" Finalists (est. 2001) but another vote doesn't happen on these three. The eventual recipient is already determined by this point.


Now there are some pretty obvious vagaries. How does the accounting firm factor in national votes vs. conference-only votes from the coaches? There is nothing I can find that says how the votes are tabulated or weighted in Phase 2. Also nothing that guarantees how much the fan vote actually counts. If they are treated as one coach, like many have assumed, do only the top 3 get considered (like a coaches ballot?) or top 6? or top 10? Maybe the accountants of the tabulation firm, after working their magic on the two ballots from the 58 coaches, glance at the fan results, stroke their chins and say "gee, that's some good stuffing" and submit the top-10 list.

Phase 3 is also shrouded in mystery...again with how insignificant a role the fan ballot plays, but also who serves on the Hobey Baker Selection Committee. "This committee is composed of print media, electronic media, NHL scouts, and the American Hockey Coaches Association (college hockey coaches). So it doesn't go back to the 58 coaches, but a mix of media, scouts, and select coaches. Who knows who is on it, how many are on it, how long the term is, and what the make-up is?

Perhaps the committee is listed in the program for the awarding ceremony, but I'm too lazy right now to dig my past ones out. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Grady Whittenberg was on the Hobey Committee one year. Doing some sly Googling, I can confirm that and tell you the make-up of the 1997 committee: 4 head coaches (one from each of the 4 major conferences), 5 Broadcast Media members (one from each conference and one from "College Hockey USA", 5 Print Media members (one from each conference region and one from USA Today), 3 NHL Scouts, and 1 representative from USA Hockey. I'm betting that coach from each of the new conferences has been added, as well as a voice from USCHO.

The award has always been determined by committee...and since it is given by a private orgainization, (The Decathlon Athletic Club of Bloomington, Minnesota) they certainly have that right. And I actually prefer the committee members are unknown to the masses...imagine the pestering and bribes that would be present.

IMO, in recent years, they seem to have been getting away from the original criteria for the award (strength of character on and off the ice, scholastic achievement, and sportsmanship as well as skill) and it has just become another "best player" or rather "best stats" award.

There has been 1536 visits today on elynah, if they had all voted, no problem it is just not important to them, the other schools support the ones nominated Cornell supports the team.

McKee now solidly in 10th.

[Q] There has been 1536 visits today on elynah, if they had all voted[/Q]

Are those all independent people though? You can visit the site 100 times, and only vote once.

McKee is three votes ahead of Niagara's Ehgoetz, who is holding 10th place.