Next year's line-up

Uh, look at the name: Heinz. Next we'll be pairing Kerry with Downs...

"Hynes" is the Cornell player. "Heinz" is the future first lady.

My bad! Was in hurry!

Don't see your suggestions on here! You shouldn't criticize those that do.

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

Uh, look at the name: Heinz. Next we'll be pairing Kerry with Downs...
Edited 1 times. Last edit at 07/12/04 01:00AM by KeithK.[/q]I was asleep at the switch. Sorry Jordan.

whose predicted as next years 6 d-men, its hard too say with such good incoming freshmen on D, with what it look like, there will be lost of changes on D.

peace

whose predicted as next years 6 d-men, its hard too say with such good incoming freshmen on D, with what it look like, there will be lost of changes on D.

peace

This is me just tossing some darts at a board. Schafer had talked about the possibility of Bitz playing center next year, which seems like it'd change things around.

Moulson-Scott-Bitz
Abbott-Abbott-Hynes
Knoepfli-Carefoot-Sawada
Varteressian/McKeown-Iggulden-McCutcheon

Cook - Glover
Downs - Krantz
O'Byrne - Gleed
Salmela

[Q]pfibiger Wrote:


O'Byrne - Gleed


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That defensive pairing would make things easy on the Montreal scouts

i can see both incoming freshmen jumping right into the line-up on defense..
guess we'll wait and see
peace

Here is the presumptive roster:

[www.tbrw.info]

I couldn't find any posts on Troy Davenport. What is his story? Where does he come from? Will he be able to give McKee games off and not miss a beat coming of the bench?

Greg,

Jan Pajerski should be scratched from the presumptive roster..there were a couple of discussions including this one about the awards banquet:

[elf.elynah.com]

where it was said that Pajerski won't be returning (to the team).

I thought I'd read that Tyler Mugford was deferring until fall 2005.

[www.cornellsun.com]

Moulson-Scott-Hynes
Abbott-Abbott-Sawada
Knoepfli-Iggulden-Bitz
Carefoot-Varteressian-McKeown

None of you think Pegararo will make it back into the lineup?

No McCutcheon or Pegoraro Ari?

Pegoraro has really fallen out of favor with Schafer. He really squandered a huge opportunity last year. Add in that he is in bad physical shape and that there will be one more forward on the team than last year, and I don't see him making it back. Considering his high skill level, I hope he proves me wrong.
Not a fan of McCutcheon. It's pretty hard to make it at this level without size and being as a small physically as he is. I hope he works on both areas but I am under the impression based on heresay that he has had a lot of trouble picking up weight. On the fourth line, I would rather see a player with more physical presence.

what are all your thoughts on incoming freshmen on defense, both jumping in the line up concidering their offensive qualities, schafer said himself that that's what he was missing last year, this year a huge whole will be filled
peace

I think both of them will be in the top six. the big question is who will come out of the top six. cook and downs definitely will not. So that means one of O'Byrne, Glover, and Gleed will come out if everyone is healthy and assuming Salmela is behind those seven.

From his interviews during the year, Schafer seems to believe O'Byrne has a very high ceiling.

Agreed re: McCutheon and Pegoraro. McCutcheon just does not fit into our "N men go into the corner, only one man comes out" system. Pegs needs to earn Schafer's respect back.

Throwing Scott onto the first line right away is the sort of dramatic statement Schafer likes to make! More likely the freshmen pepper the #2-4 lines and we see a lot of shifting about through January.

I just hope everybody makes it through summer and practice injury-free.

I think both defence will be in the top six. the big question is who will come out of the top six. cook and downs definitely will not. So that means one of O'Byrne, Glover, and Gleed will come out if everyone is healthy and assuming Salmela is behind those seven.

[Q]meh Wrote:

I think both defence will be in the top six. the big question is who will come out of the top six. cook and downs definitely will not. So that means one of O'Byrne, Glover, and Gleed will come out if everyone is healthy and assuming Salmela is behind those seven.[/q]


Ari couldn't have said it better himself........unless he did

Schafer's goal is to have all four lines capable of scoring consistently. He wants the Abbotts to produce more, so I don't think he'll put Sawada with them (although they played well with Hornby, they should be able to produce like a real second line with someone like Hynes). Also, do you think he'll have his captain playing on the third line? Can Knoepfli play center (with Moulson and Bitz)?

I hear Schafer wasn't pleased with how Bitz hit the wall at the end of the season; he'll have to improve his conditioning to stay on the top line. As for Pegoraro, yes, Schafer was not impressed, but believes that he has the skills to be very productive -- it's up to Pegoraro to work this summer to get his spot back. And with McCutcheon, he was brought in despite the fact his game didn't fit the mold that Greg described, because Schafer feels like the team needs that type of player. Schafer is not going to want to lose that skill set; if Pegoraro doesn't step up (so he can play center with McCutcheon and maybe Sawada), you might see Scott centering for McCutcheon/Sawada.

My wild guesses at the lines:

Offense:
Moulson   Scott     Bitz
Abbott    Abbott    Sawada
Knoepfli  Iggulden  Hynes
Mugford   Carefoot  McKeown
After that, fill-in order is McCutcheon, Varteressian, McLeod, and Pegoraro.

Defense:
Cook   Glover
Downs  Krantz
Gleed  Grenier-Pokulok

Goaltending:
McKee starts every game, barring any injuries or WJC-like trips (and I don't think the WJCs are a possibility for McKee).  Davenport is next in line to fill in, and Chabot is obviously last.

Dis anybody keep good cumulative stats for where people played last year (LW, C, RW; LD, RD)? I know I didn't...

You don't think O'Byrne is going to be one of the top 6 d-men, Will? I think he could turn some heads this season. Apparently he was impressive at the Canadien's Development Camp. Incidentally...so was Yann Danis.

My guess is no better than yours, but I'm going to speculate....

Cook Glover/Grenier-Pokulok
Downs O'Byrne
Gleed Krantz




(Edited because I realized my original lineup wouldn't quite work..)

[Q]Will Wrote:

My wild guesses at the lines:
Offense:
Moulson Scott Bitz
Abbott Abbott Sawada
Knoepfli Iggulden Hynes
Mugford Carefoot McKeown
After that, fill-in order is McCutcheon, Varteressian, McLeod, and Pegoraro.
Defense:
Cook Glover
Downs Krantz
Gleed Grenier-Pokulok
Goaltending: McKee starts every game, barring any injuries or WJC-like trips (and I don't think the WJCs are a possibility for McKee). Davenport is next in line to fill in, and Chabot is obviously last.[/q]

What is the combined weight and height of this potential lineup? It would be interesting to compare Cornell to the rest of the east and to the western teams.

As far as the defense goes, you have to figure that the top 4, in no particular order, are Cook, Downs, O'Byrne, and Gleed. They all played well in the stretch run last season, before the Clarkson series, as we wrapped up the #2 seed. Then, in the Clarkson series, Glover was back in the lineup, and look what happened. 10 goals against in the final two games. I get the feeling that if Krantz and Grenier-Pokulok crack the lineup, it'll be Glover (and Salmela, of course) who'll be left out. Then again, Schafer might use Salmela because of his power play skills.

Anyhow, my bold prediction for next year's lineup is that McKee will start in goal against Army to start the season

[Q]Greg Berge Wrote:

Dis anybody keep good cumulative stats for where people played last year (LW, C, RW; LD, RD)? I know I didn't...[/q]


Our left-wingers from last year (who are returning this year): Cam Abbott, Matt Moulson, Mike Knoepfli, Paul Varteressian, Mitch Carefoot, Kevin McLeod

Our right-wingers: Shane Hynes, Mark McCutcheon, Byron Bitz (and Carefoot also played some games on the right side). And of course, Bitz CAN play center if needed.

Centers: Chris Abbott, Pegoraro, Iggulden

Left Defense: Downs, Glover, Salmela (who also played right defense last season)

Right Defense: Gleed, Cook, O'Byrne

I think Glover will shock everybody. I have a feeling his poor play last season was due to his injuries and the inability to adjust to our system quickly. If he has been working out in the off-season and staying healthy he will crack the line-up!

Krantz and Pokulok are both Left Handed Defensemen.

Wait a sec. . . . the recruit page lists Krantz as RD and Pokulouk as LD.

[Q]Avash '05 Wrote:
Our left-wingers from last year (who are returning this year): Cam Abbott, Matt Moulson, Mike Knoepfli, Paul Varteressian, Mitch Carefoot, Kevin McLeod

Our right-wingers: Shane Hynes, Mark McCutcheon, Byron Bitz (and Carefoot also played some games on the right side). And of course, Bitz CAN play center if needed.

Centers: Chris Abbott, Pegoraro, Iggulden

Left Defense: Downs, Glover, Salmela (who also played right defense last season)

Right Defense: Gleed, Cook, O'Byrne
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Thanks.

mybad

I was very impressed with Salmela in the games I saw him play last year (in Florida and on TV at Harvard). He didn't make mistakes against top caliber opponents, and I wouldn't be afraid to have him out there in big games. Were it not for some great McKee saves after O'Byrne turnovers in Florida, the perspective of this Forum on O'Byrne might be greatly different. While they both may be more dynamic than Salmela, O'Byrne and Glover to a lesser extent were more mistake prone. O'Byrne also took bad penalties far too often.

The eLynah database has specific positions in each game's box score. The stats page shows the position(s) played during the year in order of number of times in each position. "LW, C" means a player played left wing and center, but left wing more often than center.

Can you blame the Clarkson Game 2/3 losses one one player? It seems more like a team effort. Unless you want to lay it on our game one pugilist who thought punching out Clarkson's goon would inspire Cornell to greater heights in Games 2/3?

Yeah, I wasn't sure what to do with O'Byrne. Maybe sub him in for Glover in my lineup. I think our defensemen, new and old, are going to be really competitive with each other, so I really don't know who will make it into the regular lineup. Cook and Downs seem to me to be the only definites, as I truly believe they are our top two. After that, your guess is as good as mine.

I also wasn't sure about McCutcheon, so I figure he might make it into the fourth line. I'm fairly confident in the rest of my offensive lines, though, based on what I've seen of the returning players and what I've heard of the new players.

i guess we'll see the line-up come october...

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[Q]typing Wrote:

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Hey. Could be a different guy...

Okay, if Mugford is definitely out, then I have to edit my lines:

Offense:
Moulson      Scott     Bitz
Abbott       Abbott    Sawada
Knoepfli     Iggulden  Hynes
McCutcheon   Carefoot  McKeown
After that, fill-in order is Varteressian, McLeod, and Pegoraro.

Defense:
Cook   O'Byrne
Downs  Krantz
Gleed  Glover

Grenier-Pokulok and Salmela sub in next.

Goaltending:
McKee starts every game, barring any injuries or WJC-like trips (and I don't think the WJCs are a possibility for McKee).  Davenport is next in line to fill in, and Chabot is obviously last.

I wouldn't count on McKee starting every game. Davenport was highly sought after.

no one has seen this kid,adn he wasnty nearly as impressive in the junior league as, say, another cornell junior he is competing with for net time and his name don't start with david!
still waiting for all you Chabot haters to prove to me that Schafer hates him. untill then, i'm sticking next to the philosophy that he wouldnt be here if he didnt have a chance.
goalie depth:
1McKee
2Chabot
3Davenport

It isn't a matter of hating Chabot. It's a matter of observing that last year Schafer played McKee for 1929 of the team's 1942 minutes, and for the other 13 he played Marr.

I assume Davenport and Chabot will each get their chance to challenge McKee in practice. Unless Davenport is really not ready, I think we'll see him played occasionally at first, and then more or less as his performance inspires. Chabot: I think Schafer has already made a tentative judgment.

Varteressian really elevated his game in the latter stretches of the season. Being moved to center helped a lot. In my mind, he is a shoe-in as the fourth line center.

no doubt that McKee is #1 and will start every game as long as he is healthy, working hard adn is not overshadowed by any of the other goalies in practice (not likely)
Marr last year was the clear #2, and if he had not been injured early in the season... we will never know that what if. and for the record, thank the maker that he was. Besides, he was a transfer from Northeastern andnway, not a pure Schafer Recruit. he played well in the stretch a couple seasons ago when lenny whent to the WJC, but he was a number 2 man. I feel like the Junior Chabot has 2 full seasons of practice under his beltm and is likely the tennitive #2. I cant wait for this season to start.

What do you all think about the special teams for next year? Who's got the Vesce swing spot? I assume Cook and probably Salmela on PP1 D. Any thoughts?

pokulok or krantz might jump in on the pp