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Mazzoleni out of Harvard?

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Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Tom '06 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 12, 2004 12:11PM

Mark Mazzoleni has been offered the job of head coach of the Green Bay Gamblers of the United States Hockey League. He is in Green Bay right now to go over his options. An interesting development.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: June 12, 2004 06:36PM

The previous Green Bay coach left to take a college asistant coach job at Wisconsin. Seems to me that this would be a step down for Maz. Only seems to make sense if he thinks his days are numbered in Cambridge.

Then again, maybe he just hates working for Harvard. Hey, who wouldn't?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2004 06:36PM by KeithK.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: pfibiger (---.we.client2.attbi.com)
Date: June 12, 2004 06:51PM

in the story on uscho, as well as the messageboards, people are saying that this might be a way for Mazz to leave and save face. Apparently a group of players has been lobbying the administration to have him removed, player parents are unhappy, and he's looking to go back to Green Bay where he has family. So it doesn't sound so far-fetched.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: David Harding (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: June 12, 2004 07:53PM

On June 3, the Green Bay Press-Gazette had Mazzoleni on its list of "three coaches with area ties might be among those considered by the Gamblers"
[www.greenbaypressgazette.com]

The other two are the Gambler's assistant coach, who said he "would be extremely interested," and the head coach at DIII St. Norbert College, who said he "certainly wouldn't rule it out." The Press-Gazette doesn't seem to have contacted Mazzoleni.

 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: RichS (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 12, 2004 09:10PM

Well, if he wants top leave, so be it but for the admin to consider a change because of "player parent unhappiness" is absurd.

Parents should have no influence in the running of a program, not even at the high school level.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Tom Pasniewski 98 (---.bos.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2004 05:56AM

The USCHO article mentions about what Mazz's salary is at Harvard and I agree that he is probably paid well. When Bob Scalise took over for Bill Cleary as AD at Harvard, he came from the head of Harvard Business School under the condition that he would not take a pay cut as one might expect moving from the head of a prestigious business school to the AD position, even if it is the (or one of the) largest NCAA DI programs in terms of athletes. I would assume that Mazz's extension last year was good financially and that, as a businessman, Scalise is less inclined to listen to parents whining than someone else might be. Though if suddenly fans stopped coming, then he'd notice and do something like require fans of a certain school to buy a four-game package although I'm not implying that he had anything to do with that.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date: June 13, 2004 08:30AM

[Q]Tom Pasniewski 98 Wrote:

The USCHO article mentions about what Mazz's salary is at Harvard and I agree that he is probably paid well. When Bob Scalise took over for Bill Cleary as AD at Harvard, he came from the head of Harvard Business School under the condition that he would not take a pay cut as one might expect moving from the head of a prestigious business school to the AD position, even if it is the (or one of the) largest NCAA DI programs in terms of athletes. I would assume that Mazz's extension last year was good financially and that, as a businessman, Scalise is less inclined to listen to parents whining than someone else might be. Though if suddenly fans stopped coming, then he'd notice and do something like require fans of a certain school to buy a four-game package although I'm not implying that he had anything to do with that.[/q]
Scalise was Associate Dean for Administration at the B-school, meaning he was the school's chief business officer. Not the same as being Dean of the school. Apparently, on his application to attend the B-school in 1987, Scalise wrote that his goal was to be director of athletics at a major university.



 
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Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: The Rancor (---.syr.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2004 11:42AM

GBG is a Junior team?
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: thew (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: June 13, 2004 12:21PM

Yes, in the USHL, a tier 1 junior A league. Same league Topher Scott played in this past season.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: The Rancor (---.syr.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2004 01:11PM

thanks, i figured as much. too lazy to lookit up myself.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: David Harding (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: June 13, 2004 05:40PM

[Q]The Rancor Wrote:

GBG is a Junior team?[/q]

They are Stephen Bâby's old team. Also, Evan Salmela played with them for a year before moving to the Chicago Ice for a year.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Greg Berge (---.frdrmd.adelphia.net)
Date: June 13, 2004 09:48PM

Allegedly Mazz and Schafer work well together. If he takes the job, who's to say he won't steer players our way? Now, wouldn't that be a kicker? :-P
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: billhoward (---.union01.nj.comcast.net)
Date: June 14, 2004 07:04AM

[Q]RichS Wrote:

Well, if he wants top leave, so be it but for the admin to consider a change because of "player parent unhappiness" is absurd. Parents should have no influence in the running of a program, not even at the high school level.[/q]

Depends what player-parent unhappiness means. In youth sports, it often means griping that "your Jeffrey plays more than my Kyle" and for that the coach should tell the parents where to take a hike. If it means players and parents think the coach is a jerk and he doesn't know the basics of coaching and they think it's why the team won 15 not 20 games, then they've got a point.

Regardless, Mazzolleni has not been fully unsuccessful if you count the two ECAC titles and NCAA appearances the past three years. While it wasn't on his watch, Fair Harvard doesn't have to go back as far as Cornell to show off an NCAA champsionship tropy or Hobey Baker award.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: June 14, 2004 12:37PM

[q]If it means players and parents think the coach is a jerk and he doesn't know the basics of coaching and they think it's why the team won 15 not 20 games, then they've got a point. [/q]Not really. The AD shouldn't listen to parents when deciding how successful a coach has been. Presumably the administration should have enough knowledge of sports to make it's own judgement between 15 and 20 games and whether here's a good chance for 20 in the future.

OTOH, if there's so much revolt among the team that it's reasonable to expect that the players/families would likely try to scare off potential recruits then you have a problem.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: ugarte (68.161.188.---)
Date: June 14, 2004 06:52PM

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

If it means players and parents think the coach is a jerk and he doesn't know the basics of coaching and they think it's why the team won 15 not 20 games, then they've got a point. [/Q]
Not really. The AD shouldn't listen to parents when deciding how successful a coach has been. Presumably the administration should have enough knowledge of sports to make it's own judgement between 15 and 20 games and whether here's a good chance for 20 in the future.

OTOH, if there's so much revolt among the team that it's reasonable to expect that the players/families would likely try to scare off potential recruits then you have a problem.
[/q]It also might mean (having nothing to do with Mazz, just generally) "my son is miserable playing for that tyrannical sonuvabitch" and it could reflect player dissatisfaction.



 
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: KenP (---.abrfc.noaa.gov)
Date: June 15, 2004 11:08AM

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Regardless, Mazzolleni has not been fully unsuccessful if you count the two ECAC titles and NCAA appearances the past three years. While it wasn't on his watch, Fair Harvard doesn't have to go back as far as Cornell to show off an NCAA champsionship tropy or Hobey Baker award. [/q]

'89 continues to show it's ugly face... yark Yes, they have some results that indicate success, but until they are consistent year-round (not just the ECAC tournament) and win some non-conference games (especially in March), I think the team is not living up to their full potential. Do you think Minnesota or Boston College fans/players would look at Harvard's talent versus results and be satisfied?
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: billhoward (---.union01.nj.comcast.net)
Date: June 15, 2004 01:37PM

[Q]'89 continues to show it's ugly face... Yes, they have some results that indicate success, but until they are consistent year-round (not just the ECAC tournament) and win some non-conference games (especially in March), I think the team is not living up to their full potential. Do you think Minnesota or Boston College fans/players would look at Harvard's talent versus results and be satisfied?[/q]

USCHO poll of a couple months back has a majority of respondents preferring an NCAA title one year followed by a year or more of not making the tournament (over, say, multiple years of final four appearances). Of course, 15 years since the NCAA title is a lot different from two or three years.

Thinking also how colleges prefer one of their own to be head coach. Since Harkness left, the majority have been Cornellians. Ned's immediate successor, Dick Bertrand, went in with great expectations and it turned out, among other things, that while he was a young (29 then) head coach, his relations with players were mixed. And conversely, it appears Mike Schafer is en route to be being one of the country's best (eventually one of the best ever?) coaches and his being a Cornellian only makes it better.

Too bad Cornell couldn't keep Bruce Arena '73 (soccer, lax) at home. Who else has had great success in coaching far from Ithaca?
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: DisplacedCornellian (---.hr.hr.cox.net)
Date: June 15, 2004 08:01PM

looks like it's official.....

[www.uscho.com]
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.ny325.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 15, 2004 09:13PM

Ahhhhhh... SEE YA
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date: June 15, 2004 09:21PM

Someone on USCHO lists Schafer as a possible replacement. screwy

 
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Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.ny325.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 15, 2004 09:30PM

LOL! Thanks, I needed a laugh! laugh
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: billhoward (---.ziffdavis.com)
Date: June 15, 2004 09:48PM

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

Someone on USCHO lists Schafer as a possible replacement.[/q]

When other teams covet you, it helps your job security/financial security at home.

Even if this was serious rumor, one assumes the money at Harvard and Cornell aren't vastly different and it costs a bit more to live inside Route 128. So what's Harvard got to offer besides the H on the helmet? Unless Mike Schafer is a big city boy at heart.

This kind of leaves Harvard in a tough spot. Some coaches who might be inclined to be wooed in March may be less inclined in June/July, especially if they've signed even a one-year contract and would have to ease out of that. So do they try for an interim coach? Maybe Colgate could loan them a coach for the season; that worked out well last year in Hamilton.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: jeh25 (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 16, 2004 02:09AM

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Even if this was serious rumor, one assumes the money at Harvard and Cornell aren't vastly different and it costs a bit more to live inside Route 128. So what's Harvard got to offer besides the H on the helmet? Unless Mike Schafer is a big city boy at heart.

[/q]


{rampant speculation}
If Mike wanted to coach in the NHL some day, wouldn't Boston be a better launch pad, both in terms of media exposure and in demonstrating success at a school other that his alma mater?
{/speculation}



 
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2004 02:10AM by jeh25.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Greg (---.cust-rtr.swbell.net)
Date: June 16, 2004 06:33AM

Boston, maybe. Cambridge, no.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Philip Finch '85 (---.fidelity.com)
Date: June 16, 2004 02:54PM

[Q]Greg Wrote:

Boston, maybe. Cambridge, no.[/q]

Well, the rink is in Boston, not Cambridge! nut
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: RedAR (---.gsd.harvard.edu)
Date: June 16, 2004 04:57PM

Well, it's official. Mazz is no longer with SUCKS.

[gocrimson.collegesports.com]

And I concur with the majority opinion here... no way Schafer jumps to Harvard.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2004 05:08PM by RedAR.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Dingus (---.prenhall.com)
Date: June 16, 2004 05:30PM

Okay, I thought naming rights had gotten out of hand, but what the hell is with the Harvard Men's Hockey Coach being officially referred to as:

"the Robert D. Ziff Head Coach of Men's Ice Hockey"

Of course, this was announced by the:

"Nichols Family Director of Athletics Bob Scalise"

 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: RedAR (---.gsd.harvard.edu)
Date: June 16, 2004 05:42PM

because both of those positions are endowed. i'm sure the coaching position at cornell has an official title as well (though i'm too lazy to check).
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Greg Berge (---.frdrmd.adelphia.net)
Date: June 16, 2004 05:55PM

[Q]Philip Finch '85 Wrote:

Greg Wrote:

Boston, maybe. Cambridge, no.[/Q]
Well, the rink is in Boston, not Cambridge! [/q]

The rink is in Alston.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.akamai.com)
Date: June 16, 2004 06:02PM

[Q]Greg Berge Wrote:

The rink is in Alston.[/q]
Which is a district of Boston. Sort of like the boroughs of NYC.

Cheers,
Kyle

banana
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: peterg (---.danicacomputing.com)
Date: June 16, 2004 06:05PM

Well, of course! Mike is the "Jay R. Bloom ’77 Head Coach of Men’s Hockey"
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: billhoward (---.union01.nj.comcast.net)
Date: June 16, 2004 09:19PM

[Q]{rampant speculation}
If Mike wanted to coach in the NHL some day, wouldn't Boston be a better launch pad, both in terms of media exposure and in demonstrating success at a school other that his alma mater?
{/speculation}[/q]


Media exposure is for Heisman Trophies. I think for head coaching prospects, you go see the prospect where he is. And the conventional wisdom currently is that the best pro head coaches spend a couple years as pro assistant coaches so they learn the ropes and don't make rookie mistakes of their own. If true, Ned Harkness was doomed going from college to the pros because he didn't have a chance to acclimate himself to the NHL. Maybe he would have learned over 2-3 years that the pros weren't motivated by the same things that motivated college hockey players. OTOH, Ned never would have left Cornell to be an assistant in the NHL.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: O.S.B. (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: June 20, 2004 03:00PM

It's official [www.uscho.com]
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: David Harding (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: June 20, 2004 06:23PM

The Green Bay Press Gazette has caught up with USCHO.
[www.greenbaypressgazette.com]
They touch on all the elements mentioned here and in the USCHO article - the unusual apparent step backward from DI to juniors, the family ties to Green Bay, the friendship with the GBG president, the pushy parents, the administration's professed diappointment - but with some additional quotes.
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: billhoward (---.ziffdavis.com)
Date: June 21, 2004 08:56PM

[Q]David Harding Wrote:

The Green Bay Press Gazette has caught up with USCHO.
[www.greenbaypressgazette.com]
They touch on all the elements mentioned here and in the USCHO article - the unusual apparent step backward from DI to juniors, the family ties to Green Bay, the friendship with the GBG president, the pushy parents, the administration's professed diappointment - but with some additional quotes.[/q]

>>> Mazzoleni, however, wouldn’t completely deny there were a few problems with some of his players and their parents during the past year. "Unfortunately, in today’s environment people can go on the Internet and write whatever they want. It’s up to the person who reads it to decide if they want to believe it or not."

Damn that Internet! Now it's usurping the job of journalists. This is so totally unfair.

 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: jeh25 (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 22, 2004 12:46PM

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

>>> Mazzoleni, however, wouldn’t completely deny there were a few problems with some of his players and their parents during the past year. "Unfortunately, in today’s environment people can go on the Internet and write whatever they want. It’s up to the person who reads it to decide if they want to believe it or not."

Damn that Internet! Now it's usurping the job of journalists. This is so totally unfair.

[/q]

I guess he could do what they do at the end of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back and visit every internet blowhard in person and put the smackdown.

Of course, then everybody here would probably have to move...

:-P
 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.ny5030.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 22, 2004 06:25PM

[Q]jeh25 Wrote:
I guess he could do what they do at the end of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back and visit every internet blowhard in person and put the smackdown. [/q]"YOU are the ones who are the ball lickers!"

 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date: June 28, 2004 06:28AM

Monday the 28th's Times Union:

[www.timesunion.com]

Coach mum on Harvard job
Union's Leaman may be candidate for hockey opening

By MATT GRAVES, Staff writer
First published: Monday, June 28, 2004

The surprising resignation of Harvard hockey coach Mark Mazzoleni has left one of the most attractive jobs in the Eastern College Athletic Conference open with a wide variety of candidates being considered to replace him.
Former Union coach Kevin Sneddon isn't expected to be one of them. Sneddon left the Schenectady school last season to become Vermont's head coach, and last week declined an interview offer at Harvard.

"Harvard University and its hockey program will always be dear to my heart, however, the University of Vermont has presented a great opportunity for our coaching staff as well as our student-athletes, and I am proud to be leading the program," Sneddon said. "I made a commitment to UVM and plan to be here for a long time."

Current Union coach Nate Leaman, a former top Mazzoleni assistant, said he would not comment on the job this week, but a source close to the selection committee said Leaman was called for an interview.

Union traditionally offers only one-year contracts to its head coaches.

"We have a pretty strong candidate pool," said Harvard sports information director Jamie Weir, who said school policy was to not discuss any specifics regarding candidates or interviews. "We're going forward, and I believe we're going to move pretty quickly."

Athletic director Bob Scalise already has some qualified Mazzoleni assistants to consider in Gene Reilly and Sean McCann, a 1994 Harvard graduate.

Another viable candidate emerged this week when Colgate named a new athletic director, allowing veteran coach Don Vaughan to return to the hockey team and leaving interim replacement Stan Moore -- another former Union coach -- available. Moore was named ECAC Coach of the Year last season for the second time in his career.

Current Yale coach Tim Taylor was a finalist for Mazzoleni's job in 1999, but pulled himself out of the running. Also named as possible candidates on college hockey Web sites are former Northeastern coach Ben Smith, a 1968 alum who left Northeastern to coach the U.S. Women's National Team, and Harvard alumni Ted Donato and Steve Dagdigian, currently the head coach at St. Sebastian's prep school.

Other prospective candidates named include Ron Rolston, an assistant at Clarkson, Harvard and Boston College; Dave Peters, Dartmouth's top assistant and a finalist for the Princeton opening; Bill Gilligan, another finalist for the Princeton job; and St. Lawrence coach Joe Marsh, Harvard's choice the last time there was an opening.

Mazzoleni resigned to take the head coaching job with the Green Bay Gamblers of the USHL, the nation's top developmental league for players on their way to college. Former River Rats coach Red Gendron recently took a similar post with the Indiana Ice.

 
Re: Mazzoleni out of Harvard?
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date: July 01, 2004 09:07AM

If anyone hasn't seen, interesting stuff in Jayson Moy's column here--especially in the sidebar:

[www.uscho.com]

 
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