ECAC first round
Posted by jason
ECAC first round
Posted by: jason (---.paulhastings.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 04:10PM
Argh! I can't stand the wait any longer! Somebody drop a puck! (I guess I'll have to make do with the two HE games tonight to get me through this day.)
Here's a quick observation that makes me think that the first round is going to be hotly contested (my gut tells me that 4 of the 5 series will go three games --with Cornell very likely being one of those): No one swept their first round opponent in the regular season (Cornell went 1-0-1 against Yale, the other four pairings were split 1-1).
Here's a quick observation that makes me think that the first round is going to be hotly contested (my gut tells me that 4 of the 5 series will go three games --with Cornell very likely being one of those): No one swept their first round opponent in the regular season (Cornell went 1-0-1 against Yale, the other four pairings were split 1-1).
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: Keith K (---.lmco.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 04:20PM
The fact that #3 - #10 are separated by 3 points is an even bigger reason to assume that the QFs will be hotly contested. Both #10 teams lost a lot of 1 goal games this year too. (Hopefully both lose a couple more this weekend...)
I'm guardedly optimistic that we can take Yale in two this weekend. This is the playoffs and the games are at Lynah.
I'm guardedly optimistic that we can take Yale in two this weekend. This is the playoffs and the games are at Lynah.
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: cbuckser (134.186.177.---)
Date: March 07, 2002 04:28PM
Like Keith, I am optimistic about the chances of a Big Red sweep this weekend. Cornell hasn't lost a home playoff game since 1988 and has done better in home playoff games than the regular season against its playoff opponents.
1989-90, Harvard, 0-2 RS, 2-0 QF
1990-91, Colgate, 1-1-1 RS (1-0-1 in ECAC), 2-0 QF
1993-94, Princeton, 1-0-1 RS, 1-0 prelim round
1995-96, Colgate 1-1 RS, 2-0 QF
1996-97, Harvard 2-0 RS, 1-0-1 QF
1999-2000, Harvard 1-1 RS, 2-0 QF
2000-01, Princeton 1-1 RS, 2-0 QF
The records do not take into the account the blowouts in both QF games against Colgate in 1991 and 1996.
I'd be shocked if Cornell doesn't rise to the occasion and play its best hockey this weeked.
1989-90, Harvard, 0-2 RS, 2-0 QF
1990-91, Colgate, 1-1-1 RS (1-0-1 in ECAC), 2-0 QF
1993-94, Princeton, 1-0-1 RS, 1-0 prelim round
1995-96, Colgate 1-1 RS, 2-0 QF
1996-97, Harvard 2-0 RS, 1-0-1 QF
1999-2000, Harvard 1-1 RS, 2-0 QF
2000-01, Princeton 1-1 RS, 2-0 QF
The records do not take into the account the blowouts in both QF games against Colgate in 1991 and 1996.
I'd be shocked if Cornell doesn't rise to the occasion and play its best hockey this weeked.
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: Ben Doyle 03 (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 04:29PM
. . .Knock on WoOD!!!!!
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: Nate 04 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: March 07, 2002 04:39PM
I know the feeling!! The hockey games this weekend are getting me through this weekend and the trip to LP will get me through next week. I don't even want to think about what I will do if we don't win this week. The games should be exciting and another chance for the Red to show Higgins where he should have gone to college if he wanted to win.
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: jason (---.paulhastings.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 05:04PM
Added incentive to root against Harvard: Brown must avoid being swept (losing in 3 is ok) to stay a TUC, very important to Cornell's PWR. (Cornell, please, please just win it all so I can stop giving a damn about PWR.)
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: Greg Berge (---.metro1.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 05:15PM
Cornell, please, please just win it all so I can stop giving a damn about PWR.
Something I think we can all agree on.
Anyone can win a short series, as the Cats proved at Clarkson last year (who would have thought that the first #1 to tank a best of three would have been a school that had NEVER lost a playoff game at their new rink?).
Recall, the first two Yale games were virtual ties!
Shots in the first two games:
Cornell 27 Yale 24 (1-1 tie).
Cornell 26 Yale 22 (3-2 win, winning goal at 19:45 of the third).
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: jason (---.paulhastings.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 05:24PM
Greg, I know, it's giving me ulcers thinking about Yale and the games are 24+ hours away!
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: nshapiro (146.145.226.---)
Date: March 07, 2002 05:33PM
Cornell, please, please just win it all so I can stop giving a damn about PWR.
Dont stop giving a damn about PWR, because it matters for seeding, and bye selection
Dont stop giving a damn about PWR, because it matters for seeding, and bye selection
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: Greg Berge (---.metro1.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 05:56PM
It doesn't matter for seeding beyond bye selection.
Does it?
Does it?
PWR in the tourney
Posted by: Keith K (---.lmco.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 06:39PM
Yes, PWR matters in seeding. The byes are given based on PWR. Then the teams are sent to regions based on whatever arcane formula the committee decides to use this year: attendance, hosting, PWR, travel, whatever. Then once the regions are set, matchups are chosen to avoid interconference matchups. But then the final seeds are chosen based on comparisons against other teams in the region. For instance, a 2nd round conference matchup is acceptable if it requires an upset, with the favorite chosen based on PWC. Once a matchup is chosen, the team that wins the comparison becomes the higher seed. Thus did Cornell wear red against Miami in '97 even though they won more comparisons since Miami won the H2H comparison.
In short, yes it does matter for seeding. No, PWR is not the first or probably second consideration with seeding.
In short, yes it does matter for seeding. No, PWR is not the first or probably second consideration with seeding.
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: March 07, 2002 08:19PM
That '97 Harvard (sucks) series listing reminds me of a question... are we technically on first to 3 points, with 5 minute OTs? or is it the good ol' play-til-someone-wins NHL-style format?
Edit: in connection with that, I assume if game three went to OT, someone would have to win NHL-style (meaning, unending OTs) - I'm praying we don't do something stupid like a shootout or goal-diff.
Edit: in connection with that, I assume if game three went to OT, someone would have to win NHL-style (meaning, unending OTs) - I'm praying we don't do something stupid like a shootout or goal-diff.
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: kingpin248 (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2002 08:22PM
All games are NHL-style format - if they go to OT, the last shot wins. It has been this way since 2000. (If it weren't, the first game of last year's Princeton series would have ended tied, as Kozier's game-winner was at 7:25 of the overtime.)
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: March 07, 2002 08:40PM
Wow, I'm totally blanking on that - but at least I'm glad to hear it. That's the way it should be. OT is OT and that's all there is, anything else is a rip off . I'd smack my head a couple times to see if I can shake out that memory, but at the moment I'm afraid I'd knock out some prob & stats info I need.
-DeltaOne81 '03, Fred
-DeltaOne81 '03, Fred
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: judy (---.howard01.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 07, 2002 10:01PM
every night, I think to myself, "Please Cornell, make it to LP. Don't pull a Clarkson!" I've been thinking this since Saturday. The time between Saturday night 10:30pm or so and Friday night 7pm is just way too long!
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: Greg Berge (---.dial.spiritone.com)
Date: March 08, 2002 02:16AM
Well, less than 24 hours to go now... (nibbles fingers nervously).
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: CowbellGuy (---.biotech.cornell.edu)
Date: March 08, 2002 09:16AM
Thanks for the reminder. Maybe I should bring some extra tapes tonight.
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: Greg Berge (---.metro1.com)
Date: March 08, 2002 05:26PM
So, the biggest matchups in the first round, other than Cornell of course, are:
+ Colgate at Dartmouth. If Gate wins the series, Dartmouth drops from TUC and really helps Cornell.
+ Brown at Harvard. If Brown can win at least 1 game in this series, then they are assured of finishing as a TUC, which helps Cornell.
So:
GO CORNELL!!!
Go Gate
Go Brown
+ Colgate at Dartmouth. If Gate wins the series, Dartmouth drops from TUC and really helps Cornell.
+ Brown at Harvard. If Brown can win at least 1 game in this series, then they are assured of finishing as a TUC, which helps Cornell.
So:
GO CORNELL!!!
Go Gate
Go Brown
Gate at Dartmouth
Posted by: redraider13 (149.43.187.---)
Date: March 08, 2002 07:47PM
The lights went out near the end of the first period at Thompson. So it's an extended break. Last I heard, the lights haven't even started coming back on yet.
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: kingpin248 (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: March 08, 2002 10:29PM
Elsewhere:
Clarkson 3, St. Lawrence 1
Harvard 4, Brown 1
Rensselaer 5, Princeton 3
Dartmouth 5, Colgate 4 - final in 2 OT
And a shocker in the CCHA: Lake State 4, Michigan 3.
Clarkson 3, St. Lawrence 1
Harvard 4, Brown 1
Rensselaer 5, Princeton 3
Dartmouth 5, Colgate 4 - final in 2 OT
And a shocker in the CCHA: Lake State 4, Michigan 3.
Re: ECAC first round
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: March 08, 2002 11:04PM
Dartmouth wins in 2OT, 5-4. Sonnofabitch.
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