Sat 2/21: Cornell 0 at Union 3, final.

Tonight's slate:

Colgate at RPI
Cornell at Union
Brown at Clarkson
St. Lawrence at St. Lawrence
Princeton at Vermont
Yale at Dartmouth

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Post Edited (02-21-04 21:20)

Psst, get with the now, or at least with the 'today'. :-p

I guess we're ditching travel partners a year early

according to the WRUC webpage,

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penalty O'Byrne

Union gets called for tripping, 4x4 for 1:05

11:07 left, another PP for Cornell, tripping



Post Edited (02-21-04 19:19)

Back to even strength.

Hoops: Harvard 19 Cornell 16, 7:01 remaining, 1st half.

goal union

Beale scores; left alone out front. Union outshooting Cornell 11-3.

Period ends. Union outplayed Cornell and got a few calls to set up pp's. Repeat of last night's bad first period (except for the goal).

NCAAH    UPDATE
         BROWN              1
         CLARKSON           0  END, 1ST PRD
NCAAH    UPDATE
         PRINCETON          0
         VERMONT            2  END, 1ST PRD 
NCAAH    UPDATE
         COLGATE            2
         RPI                1  END, 1ST PRD

Post Edited (02-21-04 19:48)

quiet tonight

Hope that means we're all at the game.

Moulson misses on a tap of Gleed's pass in the crease just seconds into the second period.

from the ahl:

AHL  AT SPRINGFIELD
     STARTING GOALIES: LOW - PATRICK DESROCHERS
                       SPR - DAVID LENEVEU

            OFFICIALS: REF - TOM  KOWAL
                       LIN - CHRIS LOW, LUKE GALVIN

Cornell all over Union, outshooting them 7-0 in this period, but still can't score.

Cornell pp #5 coming up.

Moulson with pressure but Mayotte stops him. Cornell having a lot of trouble setting up.

must be su at the game, cause it sure doesnt sound like any union fans showed up..

Moulson just wide with 6 seconds to go, and Union escapes the period. Grrrr.

good chances at the end of period, still nothing, though. End of 2

OT: Cornell 56 Harvard 55, 8:00 to go in 2nd half.

Off of USCHO:
Brown 1, Clksn. 3 (2nd Prd )
Yale 2, D'mouth 3 (2nd Prd )
Colg. 3, RPI 1 (2nd Prd )
Pr'ton 1, Vrmnt. 3 (2nd Prd )

Cornell outshot Union 15-4 in the 2nd

Shots in the 2nd period were 15-4, Cornell.

"Echo, echo, echo..."

Harvard 3 SLU 2, end 2

McKee stops a breakaway, Union player coming out of the box

McKee stops Bouchard on a breakaway coming out of the box. If we come back, that was huge.

OT: Cornell 68 Harvard 68, 4:12 to go.

OT: Harvard 71 Cornell 69, 3:13 to go.

16 mins to go at Achilles.

OT: Harvard 73 Cornell 69, 2:33 to go.

15:32 to go at Achilles.



Post Edited (02-21-04 20:53)

WHY THE FUCK ARENT WE ANNIHILATING THESE FOOLS FROM UNION?!?!?

Moulson and Bitz with a nice combo effort but wide.

O'Byrne drags down Bouchard, Union pp #4 coming with 13:30 to go in regulation.

OT: Harvard 75 Cornell 72, 1:04 to go.

Halfway through the kill.

Iggy and Carefoot killing nicely.

OT: Harvard 77 Cornell 75, :28 to go.

Back to even strength, 11:24 to go.

OT: Harvard 79 Cornell 75 with :16 to go.

Union just ragging the time (9:12). Cornell has to start getting out of their zone better (they just iced.)



Post Edited (02-21-04 21:05)

Wallace breaks up a 2-on-1 break for Union.

is it possible that union is playing the "clutching and grabbing" game better than cornell?

thanks for the updates greg. how do you listen two games at once?

OT:

Final: Harvard 81 Cornell 78.

I had the hoops game on Gametracker.



Post Edited (02-21-04 21:08)

Chris Abbott with pressure but can't get the rebound. 5 minutes to go. You get the feeling we're just *this* close.

are we attacking well, or are we just being shut down?

3:10 to go, Knoepfli a good chance, Mayotte grabbed it. Now UC ices it, face in their end.

We're getting control in their end, lots of wide shots.

2:40, bodies flying, no calls.

Salmela head mans to Hornby, but deflected wide.

Bitz breakaway, dragged down, no call!

hey i just came in who scored the goal for onion

Adam thinks it could have even been a penalty shot. Bitz was hooked, shot over the crossbar, and no call. Faceoff in UC end, Schafer calls timeout.



Post Edited (02-21-04 21:17)

(Beale scored the one goal Union.)

Schafer and Garrow reading Dunn the riot act.

McKee out of net....

1:28, Cornell empty net. Bitz just misses. Cornell controls in UC zone, then Union ices. 1:01, another faceoff next to Mayotte.

ENG - Union

Union empty netter. 2-0.

Oh well, but if we had to go 1-1, this is much better since we took the 2 points from RPI.

McKee out again for the hell of it.

ENG # 2

Another empty netter, 3-0.

for the love of...

might as well keep him in we don't want it to look like a blowout

greg any outside scores

sucks for the BBall team, Harvard isn't exactly tearin' it up this year

out of town's scores for tonite:

harvard 3 - slu 3 F
princeton 1 - vermont 4 F
yale 3 - dartmouth 6 F
brown 2 - clarkson 3 F
colgate 3 - rpi 2 F



Post Edited (02-21-04 21:36)

Princeton 1 at Vermont 4
Harvard 3 at St. Lawrence 3 ot
Yale 3 at Dartmouth 6
Colgate 3 at Rensselaer 2
Brown 2 at Clarkson 3
Cornell 0 at Union 3

We really needed this win. Damn

1. 28 Colgate
2. 26 Brown
3. 25 Dartmouth
4. 25 Cornell
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5. 23 RPI
6. 20 Harvard
7. 20 Yale
8. 17 SLU
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9. 16 Clarkson
10. 15 Union
11. 13 Vermont
12. 12 Princeton

We can finish anywhere between 1st and 5th.

3 pts guarantee a bye.

Brown plays Dartmouth, so a 4 point weekend guarantees at worst 3rd place.



Post Edited (02-21-04 21:56)

Vermont's trying to move up to 10th place before moving to hockey east

if i used the ECAC playoff possibilities script correctly, colgate is 2 pts away from winning the regular season (they'd win the tie-breaker against brown).
At 30 pts, that may be lowest total pts for a first-place finish...

Our Ivy title hopes are fairly slim still. Dartmouth has to beat Brown, but then must either tie or lose to Harvard. Stranger things have happened...

Do I have this right?

For an ECAC regular season 1st place finish:

Colgate must lose both game next week
We must win both games
If we win both, Dartmouth can do as well as a win and a tie (3 points) (doesn't matter which happens against Brown or Harvard).
Brown, then can get (2 points) but can only beat Dartmouth if they lose to Vermont (yeah, that'll happen...despite UVM's winning streak). Ties against both teams are fine, and two losses wouldn't hurt either, provided Dartmouth doesn't pick up a win against Sucks.

In typical ECAC fashion, where everyone is tied in points at the end of the season and all kinds of tie-breakers I used, after several minutes of fiddling with the ECAC playoff possibilities script, and using the following results from the final week of play, this is the most jam-packed I could get the final ECAC standings. Unfortunately for Cornell, they loose all the tie-breakers against the top teams. It's kinda fun to play around with that thing though! (BTW, I randomly chose goals just so I could get the results I wanted. The GA and GF were never used in tie-breaking.)

Fri Feb 27
RP 0 Pn 1
Un 1 Ya 1
SL 0 Cr 1
Ck 1 Cg 0
Da 1 Ha 1
Vt 0 Bn 1

Sat Feb 28
RP 0 Ya 1
Un 0 Pn 1
SL 1 Cg 0
Ck 1 Cr 1
Vt 0 Ha 1
Da 1 Bn 0

1.  28 Colgate 
    28 Dartmouth  
    28 Brown 
    28 Cornell 
5.  23 Harvard  
    23 Yale 
    23 RPI 
8.  19 SLU
    19 Clarkson 
10. 16 Princeton 
    16 Union 
12. 13 Vermont

well not sure if anyone else is back from the game. went to pinhead susan's for some eats and drinks. McKee kept this game close. Cornell had some chances and looked good in spurts but Onion outplayed, outhustled, and did everything but have their fans outcheer Cornell. They looked like the team they are capable of being and I would hate to face them in the playoffs. cornell looked off. passes were not crisp, not on target. a lot of busted plays and just not good play. Dunn was a moron both ways and after calling a bunch of minors in the first swallowed his whistle. for some reason onion seemed to make A LOT of contact with McKee. The onion goalie had a hell of game. one less post and it probably wouldve ended in a tie. hopefully the team will work out the kinks and solve whatever went wrong 2nite before the weekend and then the playoffs. gotta love the onion fans who know two cheers and cannot make noise without the PA system. almost as dead as the RIP Morgue. some idiot made fun of cornell for losing in the frozen four last night. wanted to ask him when the last time was that onion won a playoff series in D I hockey onion deserved the win 2nite.

I was at RIP last night, but couldn't get to the Onion game, so we listened to it on the radio. We heard through the static that there was a Cornell breakaway which was disrupted and could have been whistled and called a penalty shot...from anyone who was there, what did it look like to you?



Post Edited (02-21-04 23:44)

yep mike - i thought he was hauled down and it shouldve been a penalty shot...

Absolutely horrible game for Cornell earlier tonight. While it's true that Dunn's rather crappy officiating didn't help things, the fact of the matter is that Union won because Cornell played like shit for most of the game. The defense hung McKee out to dry on Union's lone earned goal. Our boys managed to adequately penetrate Union's trap defense (a far cry from the game at Lynah earlier this season), but deficient puckhandling still gave Union a decisive advantage in controlling the game. As a result, Cornell had very few quality scoring chances, and obviously all of those got screwed up. All in all, it was Cornell's game to lose, and they did just that, horribly.

Can't wait to see Age's picture of the odd crossbar bounce, though. I was sitting behind him, so I got a glimpse of the picture he got, but I wanted to get a closer look. It certainly looked like it should have been a goal when it happened, though it bounced out so quickly that it was really anyone's guess.

[q]Our Ivy title hopes are fairly slim still. Dartmouth has to beat Brown, but then must either tie or lose to Harvard. Stranger things have happened...[/q]

What, like Dartmouth tieing Princeton then losing to Yale at home 2 years ago on Senior Night, when all they needed was 2 points to tie and 3 points to win the Ivy Title?

Ben Flickinger wrote:

[q]Our Ivy title hopes are fairly slim still. Dartmouth has to beat Brown, but then must either tie or lose to Harvard. Stranger things have happened...[/q]

What, like Dartmouth tieing Princeton then losing to Yale at home 2 years ago on Senior Night, when all they needed was 2 points to tie and 3 points to win the Ivy Title?

Pretty much, yeah.

Given that Brown is currently weakened on a three-game losing streak, but Dartmouth still struggles against Harvard, I don't think this scenario leading to Cornell getting a share of the Ivy title is all that implausible. Of course, my picks in the ECAC this season have been far from successful to this date.

I agree with your game wrap up. Do you mean the first period off the cross bar non goal? It made the highlights on ch 23's local newscast. It is sure hard to make any conclusion from that video.

One of the Union fans on USCHO agreed that they got away with a few. But Union certainly was first to the puck tonight in an amazing display of speed and grit. They looked like shit against RIP earlier this year in Troy and they looked slow back then. I am amazed at the turnaround.

Marty'74 wrote:

I agree with your game wrap up. Do you mean the first period off the cross bar non goal? It made the highlights on ch 23's local newscast. It is sure hard to make any conclusion from that video.

Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. I'm not saying that Cornell got robbed of that goal necessarily, but I do think that another ref might have allowed the goal.

[Q]
Adam thinks it could have even been a penalty shot. Bitz was hooked, shot over the crossbar, and no call.
[/Q]

I'm not saying whether it should or shouldn't have been a penalty since I didn't see it (or even hear it), but let's assume it should have been. If Bitz still gets off a good shot (and thus is not deprived of a "reasonable scoring opportunity", then he wouldn't get the penalty shot, just the minor (Rule Reference 6-58-b).

A few of my thoughts from the Onion Game:

*Their fans suck. They wave cheap cowbells to make noise and they only cheered after a goal. The loud horns after a goal killed me! Get a band! They have no cheers what so ever during the game and I think for the first time this season, fans pumped up the Onion team--our fans, that is. Whenever we did a "Let's Go Red" cheer the Onion fans just screamed "U" after the "Let's Go" to drown us out. Pretty sad. Age confused them by starting a "Go CU" chant! We were able to get their blond haired mascot guy to walk away in shame after we started chanting "ugly"

*What is up with our breakout? We used to do three guys behind the goal line with Vesce circling behind the net to the left. We've been trying to switch it up recently so teams can't scout us prior to the game but it was disasterous against Onion. We had FOUR guys behind the goal line with a fake to the left then a break out to the right, OR a break out to the left and then a pass across the crease. It was scary! We had a lot of trouble getting the puck out of the zone.

*Onion started the game with no real forecheck. They allowed us to sit behind the net and set up our breakout during the first period. We were held to four shots that period, which is counterintuitive. Then, in the second period, Onion comes out with two forecheckers but we pepper their goal with 12 or 14 shots. Maybe this is because the neutral zone is more open with two forecheckers? But it was also because Schafer told the guys to get the puck to the net.

*McKee played well giving up very few rebounds. On the goal, he went down too early, leaving the top open but he didn't have much of a choice. He was on his heels and the goalscorer was going around him fast to his backhand. I think McKee could have disturbed him and kept him from lifting the puck on another day. Many times the D left McKee out to dry AFTER the shot and Onion had two guys crashing the net. I thought the D did a good job blocking shots but they didn't protect McKee. If McKee gave up more rebounds the score would have been 3-0 without the ENers.

*The puck fell to a crashing Bitz in the final seconds with an open net but he couldn't get enough wood on the puck to finish.

*It looked like a goal to me and Moulson certainly thought it was a goal by the way he reacted. Moyette (sp? the Onion goalie) held his form for a second or two as if the puck went in but who knows...it was close and I'm a homer. It was sick shot none the less.

*I thought it was a classic let down game. Onion had just lost a nail bitter and we had just won a nail bitter. Onion came out blazing and we came out tired.

See you all in Ithaca next weekend!



Post Edited (02-22-04 15:51)

Does anyone know where the Cornell band was?? I thooght they went to all of the away games. Though I could be wrong.

Due to budget constraints, we were unable to be at either of the Albany area games. We will be at every hockey game for the rest of the season.

Rumor is RPI refused to house you guys? Any truth?

The whole truth is that the prior leadership of the band budgetted for the year with the assumption that the RPI band would house them.... but didn't think to ask first.

I was in the front row, right next to the Cornell locker room. I clearly saw the puck go into the goal, bulge the net at the upper corner behing the crossbar and post, and bounce back out. It was in. No question. Had it bounced off the post or crossbar, there would have been a metallic clang. There wasn't even a hint of it hitting anything but net. We was robbed.

Did Schafer or the guys put up a fuss? Unless I missed it, Adam didn't even mention it.

I was in Vermont and was able to *just* barely hear Adam's broadcast on 870 (I had to drive around occasionally for better reception -- it was actually pretty funny. A hotel security guard drove up to me -while I was basically doing donuts in the parking lot- to ask if I was okay. I said "Oh! Yeah, I'm fine -- I'm just trying to listen to the Cornell hockey game, and can just BARELY get reception!" He started laughing, and said "I totally understand" and drove away. ). But all I know is it was 1-0, then a wind came up, thereby disrupting the signal, and by the time the wind had stopped, it was 3-0.

I have a question, though -- I'm not sure if it was this game or the RIP game (my instinct says it was the RIP game)... I thought I heard Adam say something about Moulson falling backward as though he had passed out... any word on this? Is he okay? ...Or was it the static and wind playing with my ears?

Schafer didn't react, that I could tell. From our section (G) it sure looked like it went in and back out. I don't think the Cornell bench would have had the greatest view, but we had a pretty good view of it.

dss28 wrote:

I was in Vermont and was able to *just* barely hear Adam's broadcast on 870

Grr. I live 50 miles from Ithaca, and I had to drive to Horseheads (20 miles away) before I could even begin to hear HCU that night. It was being overpowered most of the time by WWL from New Orleans. The good news was that I got my "Mardi Gras traffic report" for the big Carnivale parade Saturday...

It's frustrating because I'm able to get WVBR from my apartment. I can also get WHCU during the day before they have to power down at night. Once again, grr....

Rich H '96 wrote:
Grr. I live 50 miles from Ithaca, and I had to drive to Horseheads (20 miles away) before I could even begin to hear HCU that night. It was being overpowered most of the time by WWL from New Orleans. The good news was that I got my "Mardi Gras traffic report" for the big Carnivale parade Saturday...

It gets worse. The radio station was actually started by the Loyola physics department way back when, although it's been independent for decades.

[Q]John Whelan wrote:
It gets worse. The radio station was actually started by the Loyola physics department way back when...[/Q]IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!