Schafer Suspended One Game

Just posted on USCHO!!!

[www.uscho.com]

Well, you had to see that coming. I am sure the ECAC will take his complaints seriously, but the league isn't going to let a tirade like that go unpunished regardless of the validity of the complaints.

I felt that Mike's comments would get him the one game, however I think in the long run it will benfit not only the league but his team as well. The guys know that their coach is not going to sit back and let them be abused by the officials. He sends a strong message that he is an advocate for the players. I applaud him for his actions, although the use of expliatives probably could have been avoided. But hey we've all lost our temper at some point.

With all this happening, I bet that the team comes out flying on Friday and sends a message that they support their coach 100%.

Kill Schafer, kill.

Noel was real supportive.

Cough tool uncough...

One has to wonder if this will have the opposite effect intended. Perhaps the officials will overdo it in terms of making calls, especially in the Cornell games. They might make him pay by taking any and all flow out of the games. I think Schafer has a good point to make; his choice of method was just not the best.

With that said, we'll see the level of maturity in the officiating pretty quickly.

Schafer is a facetimer. Now he won't be allowed to be at Friday's game. I wish all of you wouldn't be allowed in either.

Facetimer wrote:

Schafer is a facetimer. Now he won't be allowed to be at Friday's game. I wish all of you wouldn't be allowed in either.

Actually, is that true, that he can't go to Friday's game at all? In other words, would he be able to watch the game from, say, the press box, or even just the stands?



Post Edited (01-20-04 22:56)

I think it is only fair that he gets Cowbell Guy's seat. Although his lack of ability with the famous cheer might hurt us. Something to think about...................

shut up you stupid facetimer!

now back to catherwood with you...



Post Edited (01-20-04 23:18)

Personally, I think that's bull that they suspended him. All he did was speak his mind.. what's wrong with that? Sure there was some language, but everyone there was adults and should be able to handle it. All I have to say is Schafer made a good point.. and I hope they take it into account.



Post Edited (01-20-04 23:42)

At least it's the game against last-place Vermont... *knock on wood*

You know if you keep on calling people stupid facetimers you might just get rerouted to gayhitchhiker.com by one Cowbell Guy (giant facetimer).

And we wonder why you know that website and seem to love it sooooo much.

i think i should email coach and tell him i have an extra section A ticket for him for friday - maybe he can wear a mask like bobby valentine i think he just cant be on the bench. but i am not sure.

ok so this all means that we need to make a sign. any ideas? i have all day friday

How about, "Free Schafer!" Okay, it doesn't really make sense, but it might look cool anyway.

But there are league rules and regulations, and from what I understand, anyone who is a representative for the league (including coaches) are not permitted to criticize the officiating. The rule was in effect before Schafer spoke his mind.

Schafer knew the rules, which, for me, makes his outburst much more than simply out of frustration after a loss.

Free Hat!

somehow i doubt that...

Dunno.

Maybe he'll watch on I2Sports. And perhaps join us in the chat?

RedAR wrote:Schafer knew the rules, which, for me, makes his outburst much more than simply out of frustration after a loss.

I agree. I think he knew he would get suspended but thought that something had to be done to protect his players. I respect that.

If I have one complaint about Schafer's coaching, it's that he seems to complain and get on the refs A LOT during games. I think it has cost the team at times when the refs seem to be determined not to make a call that would be viewed (by the other team) as a direct response to his complaints. All of a sudden the whistle seems to be stuck in the ref's pocket and only the most egregious calls are made. (Maybe Schafer like the games played that way because he thinks/knows we have a physical advantage?)

I always wonder if there is a cumulative effect. Does it carry over to the next Cornell game the guy officiates? I don't know.

Schafer proabably deserves the suspension but if it got the attention of the league then maybe that's a good thing in the long run. Hopefully, he got it out of his system and there won't be any petty retribution by the refs.

Eric, I think it works in the opposite manner. Look at the success Jack Parker has had over the years continually getting all over officials. He's intimidated them to the point where if anything BU gets the benefit of the doubt. The same was true of Cleary with Harvard and Walsh with Maine.

Granted a coach has to have a degree of gravitas and not just be a shrieker (cough Toots Cahoon). But whining when done well can help direct the ref's attention to, um..., deficiencies.

jy3 wrote:
... maybe he can wear a mask like bobby valentine

I would pay real money to see that.

Well-said in today's Ithaca Journal:

[www.theithacajournal.com]

Greg Berge '85 wrote:

Noel was real supportive.

Cough tool uncough...

It's like that old hockey joke...

"Your goalie [substitute "Schafer" here] should get himself a good lawyer and sue for lack of support."

It sure seems to me that Noel could have reasonably balanced his statement with something like: "blah blah blah inappropriate blah blah blah reprimand. Nevertheless, we appreciate Coach Schafer's concern for the welfare of student athletes and have no doubt that the ECAC will continue to work to ensure that the players are appropriately protected."

Perhaps Andy recognizes that the league prefers that such talk be done behind the scenes, rather than in the public forum.

And I'm sure that he has told Mike that he agrees with the sentiment, just not the manner and place.

Longer column on this in the IJ from Monday [www.theithacajournal.com]

Personally, I think it's about time someone spoke out publicly and I'm glad Schafer finally took the bull by the horns and said what had to be said. After watching ECAC hockey for almost 20 years, I believe that the quality of officiating has never been great, but has declined noticeably in recent years rather than improved. My concern has always been the safety of the athletes and I often wonder that they continue to play sometimes when it is clear the people charged with their care on the ice just don't seem to care. Thank you, Mike! I just hope the ECAC is really paying attention and does something about it.

I love the g--d------'s from the IJ. Made me think I was reading Addison and Steele.

Well.. Think Schafer's getting the moral thumbs up from most hockey folks. INCH columnist gave him a stick salute in this week's ECAC notebook for "taking one for the team" and the "timing of the rant was well calculated".

According to today's Sun:

[cornelldailysun.com]

the article says Hynes is out due to shoulder injury, and several other players will be gametime decisions. just curious, without knowing the severity of the injury, how long is Hynes likely to be out due to a separated shoulder?

Wasn't someone (I think it was Hornby) out for the remainder of the season when it happened to him? I feel like we've seen this before...

There's really no way to tell without knowing the severity of the injury. IN fact, there are a number of injuries which could be diagnosed as a separated shoulder during an initial examination (i.e. someone looking at the injury at the game without the benefit of x-rays or an MRI), so it's not even clear that the injury is a separated shoulder.

Basically, if it's something like a mild rotator cuff injury, without an actual separation, he'll be back in a week or two. If it's a third degree separation that requires surgery, he's done for the season.

Anecdotal experience suggests that a separated shoulder is rather susceptible to re-injury. So this could really suck.

dss28 wrote:

Wasn't someone (I think it was Hornby) out for the remainder of the season when it happened to him? I feel like we've seen this before...

Yeah, that was Hornby, after a nasty spill into the boards at the first Everblades tournament his freshman year.

You can't un-ring a bell, but the Coach's main points are still well-taken. From today's Ithaca Journal:

[www.theithacajournal.com]

[Q]"But at the same time, I believe in what I believe in. I just wish I had more class in expressing my opinion." [/Q]

Funny, but I think most people think that even in the midst of his vent, he still did it in quite a classy fashion...

A separated shoulder in Estero caused Hornby to lose the rest of his sophomore season.

From a friend who had to quit the football team after his shoulder popped out every time he took a hit...

If it is his first one, he could be out a while...for some people, if it is reoccuring, they can just pop it back in and only deal with that pain...since he's missing this weekend, this is probably his first. There could be a lot of extracurricular activity that took place with his ligaments besides the bone just popping out of the socket. I imagine it will be a week by week decision just like it was with Marr so that the opponents are guessing. Hynes is a truck in front of the net and opponents probably have to work on matchups if they want to give their goalie line of sight.

Good luck, Shane, with the recovery!

Does your friend think that Shane's shoulder was dislocated, rather than separated?

Dunno, but it sounds like it, doesn't it! I don't know enough about the differences...

Speculation, misinformation, oh my!

We could always just give Shane a call and see what he says!



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dss28 wrote:

Funny, but I think most people think that even in the midst of his vent, he still did it in quite a classy fashion...

But he did violate the no cursing regulations.

He should have posted his tirade on this forum....64% of those polled endorse cursing!

Haha... true. But not many people would stop in the middle of a tirade and compliment the other team and stuff. ...Although they might say "G-d****, they played a F***ing great game..." but you get what I mean

If Schafer IS allowed to attend the game in the stands, all's I gotta say is he'd better not do any more cursing, cuz, you know, you can get kicked out for that kind of rude behaviour.

LGR!!! Crush Vermont... shorthanded!!!!

I can see it now...

Schafer: "I've always wanted to do this... 'aaaaahhhhh, see ya @$$hole!' "

dss28 wrote:


But he did violate the no cursing regulations.

Both ECAC rules and Lynah rules, eh?

[q] I can see it now...

Schafer: "I've always wanted to do this... 'aaaaahhhhh, see ya @$$hole!' "
[/q]

ROFL

dss28 wrote:

I can see it now...

Schafer: "I've always wanted to do this... 'aaaaahhhhh, see ya @$$hole!' "

I think he would be more likely to do "I'm blind, I'm deaf ..."

Re: separated vs. dislocated shoulder...

According to the Vermont/Cornell recap: "Cornell played without Shane Hynes, who suffered a dislocated shoulder last week on one of the plays Schafer was upset about."