[Cheers] Okay, people, time for some coordination!

Enough with the, "See ya, ass-goos!"

I'm not going to get into the whole discussion of whether profanity should be allowed in the rink, or who originally started "You goon!", or how ridiculous it is that some clown thought Section B was saying "You lose!" and the bastardization spread throughout the Cornell crowd... Instead, can we just agree on SOMETHING, and stick with it? I could think of a couple suggestions for what we should say, but I figure I'll leave that to everyone else to start out with. Then, after we've all talked about it, we can put it up for a vote (like the ones at the top of the page), and try to make it the standard at the games.

I do just want to add that even though the word "asshole" can be heard on cable (Comedy Central), it's probably not yet widely accepted in polite company and will continue to get people tossed from the games. It's happened at every home game thus far this season, so I figure that if they're going to toss us for saying it, it might be a good time to chalk that one up as a loss and ixnay it from the Lynah Vocabulary.

Again, I'm not pushing any one saying over another (although I don't really understand what the opposing thug has "lost" when he takes a seat in the sin bin), but I'm just saying that the current melange of sayings upon a penalty to an opposing player is uncoordinated and ineffective and could probably use a little fixing up.

Interested in hearing anyone's thoughts.

It is "you goon" and it has always been "you goon" and it will always be "you goon". It's not gonna change. People are just plain dumb if they insist on "you lose". We're not changing anything.

Ciao!



Post Edited (11-23-03 02:37)

on that note... i'm getting really sick of the dumb-asses who think Mckee is trying to get the crowd started by slapping his stick to let HIS TEAM-MATES know that the power play is over!!! In fact the clapping that ensues is actually counter productive in that it drowns out McKee and the other warning device from giving the head's up to the defensemen!!! PLEASE STOP IT STUPID!!!

Actually, what about making up some flyers to pass out at the games, with the correct cheers on them (without the profanity of course)... Because the sad truth is, that most everyone logging into ELF already knows it's "goon", and the mass of people saying "lose" will never know their follies unless something is done to tell them...

It has not always been "you goon." The first few years it was just "see ya," a la Michigan. "You goon" began with one particular miscreant who deserved it, then the parrots decided to do it all the time.

Things change. Just because something was a certain way freshman year doesn't mean it's immortal.

See also: the cow bell cadence, we created "sieve," Harvard stole "black hole," yadda yadda yadda...



Post Edited (11-23-03 08:33)

When McKee starts to tap his stick to alert the team that the power play is coming to an end, the clapping that ensues is a great cheer in my opinion. Especially when it's countered by us yelling "shut up!" to the opponent's sieve when he does the same for them. There's no way that it "drowns out" the signal. I'm sure the players have enough hockey sense to realize what's going on and to take our clapping as a signal that the power play is over. And Brekke (the assistant coach) can really whistle pretty loud too.

So next time, before you apply the word "dumbass" to the fans trying to make the place a little louder, think about what you say. I think it'd be better to devote your energy into reforming the cheers into teaching the fans in sections D-E some rhythmic clapping skills.

At least just yelling "aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhSEEYA!" with no tag doesn't add to the chaos as people yell different things over it.

that reminds me of part of the evolution of michigans version of the see ya cheer. they have been trying to cut out the profanity now too but when i was there for a game a few years a go it was a year after wildfang (colgate?) came to visit yost. because of his dirty play they added "wildfang, douchebag." just thought that was funny

i vote for "you, goon!" since that is how it has always been and it makes sense...
i do: " see ya ____, you goon!" - i just hum while people say asshole

[q]
on that note... i'm getting really sick of the dumb-asses who think Mckee is trying to get the crowd started by slapping his stick to let HIS TEAM-MATES know that the power play is over!!! In fact the clapping that ensues is actually counter productive in that it drowns out McKee and the other warning device from giving the head's up to the defensemen!!! PLEASE STOP IT STUPID!!![/q]

Aside from the issue of whether clapping drowns out the signal (which I'm not convinced it does--I think the only way to be sure would be to hear an answer from a player or coach), I've never been able to understand why people apparently want to celebrate the fact that we've just had an unsuccessful power play. If anything, it would make more sense to me to applaud a successful penalty kill by the Big Red.

Shorts '04 wrote:
I've never been able to understand why people apparently want to celebrate the fact that we've just had an unsuccessful power play. If anything, it would make more sense to me to applaud a successful penalty kill by the Big Red.

Does that mean we've stopped doing "Ohio State returns to full strength ... and THEY STILL SUCK!"? (A "suck" cheer which I like, BTW.)

[q]Aside from the issue of whether clapping drowns out the signal (which I'm not convinced it does--I think the only way to be sure would be to hear an answer from a player or coach), I've never been able to understand why people apparently want to celebrate the fact that we've just had an unsuccessful power play. If anything, it would make more sense to me to applaud a successful penalty kill by the Big Red.
[/q]

Shorts, it's for the same reason, we -- led by the pep band -- start up an immediate "Let's Go Red!" chant right after the opposition has scored. Is it in celebration of the other team scoring a goal? Obviously not. It's to lend encouragement to the team and maybe get the crowd back into it a little bit. Same reason for the clap, and starting it in unison with the goalie's tapping of the stick is no crime.

On a more general note, it's embarrassing how much nitpicking about cheers there has been in the opening weeks and months of this season. Sure it always happens, but it seems there's a lot more "What are those stupid fans doing? They're not cheering the right way!" type of criticisms and attacks going on. I guess when the team is 3-2-3 and you're not allowed to criticism the players at all (not that I'm looking for us to), some folks have to turn to "holier than thou" fan arguments. If somebody next to me wants to say "You lose!" instead of "You goon!" sure I may tell him/her that the line was originally "you goon", and that it may make more sense that way in the context of just having taken a penalty, but if they want to say "you lose," fine.

I know these arguments have probably festered ever since cheers have been created and passed down, but I think in my 4 years here, this is the most cross-fan criticism that I've seen.

Hopefully a few wins will get everyone a little un-wired and we can concentrate on the hockey team a little more.

P.S. There is one wrong cheer, I guess. "Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

John T. Whelan '91 wrote:

Does that mean we've stopped doing "Ohio State returns to full strength ... and THEY STILL SUCK!"? (A "suck" cheer which I like, BTW.)

I can't recall the last time we've done that cheer at Lynah. In fact, I'm not sure we've ever done that cheer since I started my time on the hill (since the '99-'00 season).

We did that chant several times during Friday's tie with Bowling Green in Section B. It was only a couple of us and it didn't seem to catch on. The problem is, half the people in the section don't seem to know any other cheer aside from "Let's Go Red", which they insist on constantly repeating. We really have to work on the variety. Are we UNH or something with the mono-cheer???

Okay, okay... let's all calm down and talk about this. I think there's a difference betwen when/how/whether to do a cheer, which is certainly worth discussing... versus simply doing a cheer 'wrong.'

For the latter... Now, if there were people out there who knew the cheer was 'goon' and wanted to do 'lose', that's their choice, but does anyone here actually think that's the case? Isn't it just more likely that they have no idea that a good portion of the crowd has corrupted the words?

Now, if you have an opinion on another cheer, how it's done... you're welcome to discuss it and share your opinion, but let's not be a jackass right off the bat:

"on that note... i'm getting really sick of the dumb-asses who think Mckee is trying to get the crowd started by slapping his stick to let HIS TEAM-MATES know that the power play is over!!! In fact the clapping that ensues is actually counter productive in that it drowns out McKee and the other warning device from giving the head's up to the defensemen!!! PLEASE STOP IT STUPID!!!"

You think the people on this board don't know why he taps his stick? You think you can make productive headway by calling us "dumbasses", "counter-productive" and "stupid" in the same paragraph?

I completely agree with Jordan - it's the same idea as starting a "Let's Go Red" after the other team scores. It's to keep the team in it and get ourselve back into it, and let them know that no matter what the results, we're there to cheer them on. Ryan could have just as easily come in saying "I never quite got that. Why are we cheering then? Don't you think it drowns out the point of the tapping?", and we could have had an intelligent discussion instead of a lot of yelling. Everyone watch their tempers. You may think you know a lot about hockey, but that's no real to assume you know everything and that your initial thoughts are always absolutely correct.

Also, I liked the "____ returns to full strength, THEY STILL SUCK" this weekend. You're right it didn't catch on, but give it time. I sure as hell joined in and I think it's worth continuing to try it for a while more.

Lastly, Shahar, were you the one that yelled at everyone to stop chanting 'Let's Go Red', cause if you were, the response of "Let's Go Red..." was perfect . You're right that variety is a good thing, but there's nothing wrong with several rounds of a hearty LGR! Especially when not too much positive is going on in the game yet. If you want some variety, then go ahead and add some. Start something else, make something else up, I don't care... variety is great, but don't yell at your fellow fans and then not contribute something yourself. If you want variety, make it.

Jordan wrote:
P.S. There is one wrong cheer, I guess. "Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

I don't especially like the extended "dieeeee" either...



We're still a great team, no one's denying that we're making a lot of opportunities for ourselves, and our ECAC record isn't too tarnished at all. When everyone returns from Thanksgiving (have a great Thanksgiving everybody), and we have the Brown/Hahvahd weekend, the roof will be blown off the building with the energy from a pair of victories.


LGR!

Not to start another "DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" argument...


But I like the extended "DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"....

That wasn't me. . .

Figures

It is true, there has been a large amount of nitpicking about specifics in cheers. It is probably a continuation of the frustration felt when it seemed that freshmen and other less experienced fans got prime tickets. Understandable, but it is still early in the season and we should cut them some slack.

However, what happened last night was unacceptable. The guys behind me, along with yelling (team) sucks at every single pause, called the girl who came with me a bitch for yelling out "rough 'em up" instead of "f*ck 'em up." They then continued to insist that we suck because we paused after saying "see ya" rather than including "asshole." I must admit that I enjoyed watching one of them be escorted out by an usher, an act I used to consider a power trip.

All I'm saying is that the enthusiasm at Lynah is obviously fantastic, both opposing coaches mentioned it after their games this weekend. Let's just try to be a little more intelligent. If anyone remembers, I think it was two years ago that we played at Brown and our band couldn't make it. This meant the situtaion was ripe for multiple Lynah chants, along with impromptu ones. My favorite fo these was after the small Brown fan section began yelling out Bâby's name with the an incorrect pronunciation. I screamed out, "It's pronounced B[ah]by, there's a circumflex over the 'a.'" From the faithful behind me I suddenly heard "circumflex, circumflex, circumflex..." I've never felt more proud of the faithful. I use that story to help explain what it's like to be a Cornell hockey fan.

I love reading the cheers of other schools.

"You goon" is original and easy to understand in a barn of about 4K of your closest associates. I like it a lot.
BG does the "see -ya" every now and then. Unfortunately with the recent drought of good years, hockey has taken a bit of a back seat to football and (lord help us) basketball.

I am in complete agreement that there should be no vulgarities uttered and no references to death or dying. Blood on the ice, well, that's okay.


Back in the day (okay, my day) we had these cheers:

*"Both teams back to full strength" reply: "That's open for conjecture!" This one has slipped away since the early 90's because of the confusion of the word "conjecture." High school graduates' vocabulary isn't what it used to be, my friends.

*"Michigan back to full strength" reply: "That's debatable."

*When the opposing team's players were introduced the student section would hold up newspapers. After each player's name, half of the people would drop their papers and ask "Who's he?" then raise their papers back up. Simultaniously to the paper raise, the other half would drop their papers and respond, "NOBODY!" It was very well orchestrated and quite a sight to see.

*We had a chant which I wasn't too fond of, but it was very effective at getting into the heads of visiting net-minders. Chant "Goal-lee" three times then end it with "You s*ck!" A bit vulgar and unimaginative for my taste, but the students really enjoyed it.

*I started this one at a couple BG games: "The Goalie has 'looser' holes than Linda Lovelace!" For the remainder of the game, we would chant "Lin-da." Unfortunately it didn't stick - even though it worked really well. I guess not too many people were as well versed in pornography as myself. I should have resurrected it using Heidi Fleiss!

I have often wondered if these were duplicated by us or if other fans duplicated them.

Thank you for some of the insight to The Big Red's Cheers and thank you for letting me share our cheers.
I do apoligize for my long post and my "waxing nastalgia".

Rightupinthere wrote:(lord help us) basketball. [/q]

No love for Antonio Daniels?

[q]I am in complete agreement that there should be... no references to death or dying.[/q] We are all in favor of references to death or dying. We are against references to dyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyying.

[q]*"Michigan back to full strength" reply: "That's debatable."[/q] That is pretty cool. I just wish Lynah would go back to saying "and they still suck" when a penalty ends. I missed it this weekend. (Am I remembering something recent so poorly? I thought that we were saying it in Albany and Providence last year.)

[q]*When the opposing team's players were introduced the student section would hold up newspapers. After each player's name, half of the people would drop their papers and ask "Who's he?" then raise their papers back up. Simultaniously to the paper raise, the other half would drop their papers and respond, "NOBODY!" It was very well orchestrated and quite a sight to see.[/q]Also very cool. But "Boooooooooooring!" can never change.

And nothing beats the cheers at Princeton: " " "The seventh Cornell goal ..."

[Q]That is pretty cool. I just wish Lynah would go back to saying "and they still suck" when a penalty ends. I missed it this weekend. (Am I remembering something recent so poorly? I thought that we were saying it in Albany and Providence last year.)[/Q]
I remember doing this at Albany, but that doesn't mean that it's done at Lynah. Lot's of alums in the post-season doing cheers they remember.

Keith K '93 wrote:

[Q]That is pretty cool. I just wish Lynah would go back to saying "and they still suck" when a penalty ends. I missed it this weekend. (Am I remembering something recent so poorly? I thought that we were saying it in Albany and Providence last year.)[/Q]
I remember doing this at Albany, but that doesn't mean that it's done at Lynah. Lot's of alums in the post-season doing cheers they remember.

Sure. That is what I thought it was. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me and my small band of idiots.

[Q]I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me and my small band of idiots.[/Q]No, there were other bands of idiots participating

Ive been watching for over an decade, and Arthur has never reported a return to full strength, and we've never responded with "and they still suck"

-ben rockey '04
lynah fathful since 1984

Ben Rocky '04 wrote:

Ive been watching for over an decade, and Arthur has never reported a return to full strength, and we've never responded with "and they still suck"

-ben rockey '04
lynah fathful since 1984

You were probably sitting on the wrong side of the arena. And I don't think that Arthur cued us. I think we announced the end of the penalty ourselves back in the early 90's.


And, um, did you spell your own name wrong?

And way back when we were students it was simply "You, you, you..." complete with finger pointing with the same cadence of the sieve cheer after a goal.

Also very cool. But "Boooooooooooring!" can never change.

Thanks. Good to know one of my few originals will live on!

Arthur never announced "returns to full strength" in my time. We did it ourselves and then followed with the tag. I seem to remember someone saying that this used to be announced but was stopped in an effort to stop the tag. That may be a figment of my imagination though...

Arthur announced it as recently as 1989-90, but I can't say for sure after that. Quinn or Newman, was he doing it your freshman year?

Beeeej

I think "... and you still SUCK!" was the reason Arthur stopped announcing the expiration of a penalty. When Cornell's penalty expired, the cheer was "...and {opponent} still SUCKS!"

I'm neutral on profanity in cheers, and personally I thought that was/is a good tradition.

Been a while since we got to chant "We want 20!" (which happens when we reach 10).

I'm not sure about 90-91 but I'm sure the rest of the time was just students. It wasn't every once in a while or just a small group of Faithful. I can't speak for D, but sections A and B yelled it after every power play. I just wish we could have scored more often when the power play was ours. Yelling "we want more" beats "and they still suck" any day.

Ladies and gents:

I'm all for discussing cheers of past years in the hopes of reviving the great ones that should not have fizzled out and also discussing current cheers in the hopes of ending such abominations as the long "DIIIIEEE", but my original purpose for this particular thread was to figure out what the hell we're doing for when a penalty is assessed to an opposing player. Can we please get back on the subject?

Current options (to name a few; some are reasonable, and others are downright horrible):

1. Aahh, SEE YA, asshole!
2. Aahh, SEE YA, asshole! You goon!
3. Aahh, SEE YA, you goon!
4. Aahh, SEE YA, you lose!
5. Aahh, SEE YA! <silence>
6. Aahh, SEE YA, asshole! You lose!
7. Aahh, SEE YA, you thug!
8. Aahh, SEE YA, you savage!
9. Aahh, SEE YA, you freaking savage!
10. etc.

Numbers 1, 2, and 6 (anything containing a swear) will continue to get us tossed. So, they might not be the best choice. Also, it would be so hard for numbers 5, 7, 8, and 9 to catch on that, well, they're probably not worth discussing; even though my friend Tyler '97 started the whole "goon" business, I was never very into it, and so I figured I'd throw out some ideas... So, that leaves 3, 4, and 10 (and no, I'm not suggesting that we yell "ET CETERA!!" when the ass-clown sets foot in the Sin Bin). Please make suggestions for #10 or voice your opinions on the others.

Thanks.

When I was there (93-97), the "returns to full strength" was originated from the crowd. It was never half-assed, as far as I can recall.

As for when a Cornell power play is about to end, I've always wanted to shout "Slap your stick on the ice if you suck!" with about 5 seconds left, but was afraid of looking like an idiot when the opposing goalie didn't do it.

My opinion on "asshole," which has been brought up time and time again, is that it's a great word, but must be used carefully, lest it lose all meaning. You are not an asshole if you get called for hooking. You are an asshole if you fire a puck into the Cornell bench after the whistle. A player who does the latter, while being pummeled by our hired goons, should be reminded of this, either as a "chant" or by individual shouts. No usher will kick you out for appropriate use of a word. Unless you're at Princeton, where a single "suck" will land you on probation for the rest of the game.

Finally, if the crowd is having an off year in terms of coordination, there isn't much that can be done about it now... but what we can always use are those individual cheers -- when the crowd is dead silent, and someone yells out a one-liner that makes 4 or 5 rows giggle. I'd think of one now, but I have to take the turkey out of the brine in 4 hours.

Gabe Heafitz '98 '04 wrote:
even though my friend Tyler '97 started the whole "goon" business, I was never very into it

I thought one of the Newmans started the 'you goon' thing?

(And just for the record, when the Sun quoted me, I wasn't trying to claim the cheer had *always* been you goon. I was trying to explain the evolution of the cheer and things got a little garbled. Whether it was poor transcription on the part of Mike Morisy or all the cold meds I was on, I dunno. In any case, I didn't feel like quibbling, since in the balance, Mike's article got the general idea across fairly accurately. And while I'm on the topic, didn't Gene Nighman get it backwards? I could have sworn it was 'fuck 'em up' first and only got turned into 'rough 'em up' after Schafer asked us to clean up our language.)

Anyway, with regard to the asshole issue, the sad fact is that silence will always lose to a drunken few, thus you have to pick another word if you want to remove asshole from the cheer. As such, I think Assclown is as good a choice as any. Of course, the distinction might be too subtle for the ushers in Lynah.