Harvard @ Cornell Saturday

The first ten minutes of this game are going to be fascinating.

Trotsky
The first ten minutes of this game are going to be fascinating.

Just don't let up after twenty minutes like last night. That's too long to try and sit on a lead.

Schafer’s brief comments on game 1:

“We had a good first 30 minutes and did a pretty good job in the second period, and by the third period, we didn't start poorly, but the goal they got to make it 4-2, they got some push. We handled it okay at times and we didn't handle it okay, but the guys know we can be better than we were tonight," said Mike Schafer '86, the Jay R. Bloom '77 Head Coach of Cornell Men's Ice Hockey. "Especially when we got the lead, we stopped moving our feet defensively and offensively, and on the forecheck, we didn't stay aggressive and play with poise. We'll be better tomorrow night."

Harvard had something to do with that.

Goebbels gibberish on the Voice of Treason.

By my count, this is the 2,150th game in Cornell history.

Mike on pregame: "as soon as it went 4-nothing we got loose."

Crowd in full voice. Somewhere, Mrs. Laing Kennedy shakes her umbrella at me.

Great start. 3 minutes of angry hornets.

Major pp.

Better score on the major or momentum (whatever that is) shifts.

If I never see another power play...

That was the best pp I have ever seen that did not score. We must have had 8 grade A chances.

VIEWfromK
If I never see another power play...

that was a pretty good one in terms of chances not so much in terms of testing mulahy. gotta put it on net.

That wasn't a bad power play; team just wasn't able to convert

If we keep playing like this we will win this game.

VIEWfromK
If I never see another power play...

we'd have missed that pretty play!

16-17-21

Harvard first period shots on goal:

2.

Trotsky
Harvard first period shots on goal:

2.

Last night it was 4. Then...

Just can't let up one bit.

ugarte

VIEWfromK
If I never see another power play...

we'd have missed that pretty play!

16-17-21

Scoring off the rush is nice. It doesn't make up for the poor design of a power play that begins and ends below the goal line. It continues to be too complicated. I hope that I'm wrong.

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky
Harvard first period shots on goal:

2.

Last night it was 4. Then...

Just can't let up one bit.

It's an elimination game and we know that. And Mike probably peeled the paint off the walls last night.

Union up 2-1 at Hanover.

The Legend of Jack O'Leary.

SLU now leading 2-1 at Hamilton, looking to sweep.

Psenicka and Kraft are everywhere tonight.

And Walsh has been the faceoff guy tonight, not Seger or Castagna.

Greasy goal.

Trotsky
Greasy goal.

We'll take it.

mike1960

Trotsky
Greasy goal.

We'll take it.

We love it.

RPI ties up Q at the end of the 2nd
Union-Dartmouth also tied

Grady almost gave me a heart attack, saying the Lake Placid Final was on Sunday. It is on saturday. Geez.

ugarte
RPI ties up Q at the end of the 2nd
Union-Dartmouth also tied

Are we currently the only home team leading?

Kill Schafer Kill

Schafer got on Arthur’s mic to tell the student section to knock it off with the endless “Fuck you ___insert Harvard player name___” chants.

Trotsky

ugarte
RPI ties up Q at the end of the 2nd
Union-Dartmouth also tied

Are we currently the only home team leading?

Yep.

Man, that Castagna play. That guy is such a beautiful player.

It has been a long time since Mike has had to do that.

The crowd is loud and engaged, which is tremendous, but they still have very little creativity.

And the fact that somebody started the wave last night and was not immediately hospitalized tells you of the erosion of the moral fiber of our backbone. Jesus fuck, next they'll be singing Chelsea Dagger.

Trotsky
.Jesus fuck, next they'll be singing Chelsea Dagger.

Someone tried to start a “DE-FENSE” chant in one of the townie sections earlier in the season but it was promptly and mercifully quashed.

Trotsky
It has been a long time since Mike has had to do that.

The crowd is loud and engaged, which is tremendous, but they still have very little creativity.

And the fact that somebody started the wave last night and was not immediately hospitalized tells you of the erosion of the moral fiber of our backbone. Jesus fuck, next they'll be singing Chelsea Dagger.

At least they showed up. My recent memory is fuzzy, but this is the fullest I’ve seen Lynah for a QF series in quite some time.

Bandwagon bodies are still bodies.

Colgate ppg. 3 games at 2-2 and ours.

Trotsky
The crowd is loud and engaged, which is tremendous, but they still have very little creativity.

And now we get a third period fish thrown and a “Season’s over” chant with a full period to play.

sah67

Trotsky
The crowd is loud and engaged, which is tremendous, but they still have very little creativity.

And now we get a third period fish thrown and a “Season’s over” chant with a full period to play.

Frat boys gonna frat.

Great start of the third period.

Sphincter time

SLUt ahead of toothpaste 3-2 with 6 mins left

All first game winners now lead by 1.

What the fuck. They kicked me out cuz for starting Garry glitter due to “swears”.. in my last Cornell hockey game… I’m literally crying….-

3-2 SLUt final. Colgate eliminated.

Jeff Hopkins '82
3-2 SLUt final. Colgate eliminated.

Easily the most shocking result. I don't think anyone had Colgate getting swept

SLU and Dartmouth have advanced.

Trotsky
SLU and Dartmouth have advanced.

And Q.

Yes, sir.

Trotsky
SLU and Dartmouth have advanced.

LFGR!

i never remember if ecac reseeds for LP.

Thank you Seger.

ugarte

Trotsky
SLU and Dartmouth have advanced.

LFGR!

i never remember if ecac reseeds for LP.

Yes.

And another!

ugarte

Trotsky
SLU and Dartmouth have advanced.

LFGR!

i never remember if ecac reseeds for LP.

They do.

We get Darmouth.

Trotsky
Thank you Seger.

i love this final score line

Ok i can relax now

CU in LP

Harvard guys on the handshake line showing Shane a ton of respect.

Thank god… after they kicked me out, Garry glitter in lake placid will be the loudest it’s ever been

Most impressive was the lack of penalties for the Big Red.

ugarte
Harvard guys on the handshake line showing Shane a ton of respect.

Because he freakin' deserves it !!!

Jeff Hopkins '82

ugarte
Harvard guys on the handshake line showing Shane a ton of respect.

Because he freakin' deserves it !!!

It's not often they call on him to be it but Shane was their best player all weekend.

ugarte

Trotsky
SLU and Dartmouth have advanced.

LFGR!

i never remember if ecac reseeds for LP.

Pretty sure high plays low, and the two middles (Cornell, Dartmouth) play. I'm also pretty certain the top seed used to get its pick or early or late game, always chose early, so the high remaining seed gets assigned the 4 pm Friday game. More time for Cornell fans to drive up.

Much better first period even if it didnt lead to a big lead. Better 2nd as well.

Then we reverted to chasing plays again, but not nearly at the level of Fridays game.

billhoward

ugarte

Trotsky
SLU and Dartmouth have advanced.

LFGR!

i never remember if ecac reseeds for LP.

Pretty sure high plays low, and the two middles (Cornell, Dartmouth) play. I'm also pretty certain the top seed used to get its pick or early or late game, always chose early, so the high remaining seed gets assigned the 4 pm Friday game. More time for Cornell fans to drive up.

Correct on both counts.

Does playing Dartmouth after Harvard still count as a trap game even with six days to prepare?

Wish it had happened last night. The student section was a little too rowdy tonight and needs to relearn some of the chants from the list on elynah. At some point we are actually going to get a penalty for the period change over fish throwing, but the students don't think the refs will do it. I was hit by two water bottles tonight that people were trying to throw on the ice in between periods

Dunc
What the fuck. They kicked me out cuz for starting Garry glitter due to “swears”.. in my last Cornell hockey game… I’m literally crying….-

That's ridiculous!

I'm guessing the band didn't play it because they somehow thought Schafer didn't want them to? I really don't think that was his intention.

It's probably a few years before your time, Dunc, but for a number of years the ushers would go down to the glass during "Gary Glitter" looking up into the sections for people saying "F 'em up" instead of "Rough 'em up", and then try to throw those people out. But that hasn't been the practice for a while now.

I'm seriously shocked and appalled that you got thrown out for starting a song the pep band has been regularly playing because tonight they chose not to play it.

Still can't believe it was you they tossed and not the drunk guys who were actually cussing the whole game. Sorry to see that man

Some of these posts reminded me of why I only went to two of the games against Harvard as a student. They always seemed to attract some of the most obnoxious folks who never appear at any other games. The games against Dartmouth were always a bit more enjoyable, too, given you could expect some kind of chippiness in the play or a display of theatrics from Gaudet.

andyw2100

Dunc
What the fuck. They kicked me out cuz for starting Garry glitter due to “swears”.. in my last Cornell hockey game… I’m literally crying….-

That's ridiculous!

I'm guessing the band didn't play it because they somehow thought Schafer didn't want them to? I really don't think that was his intention.

It's probably a few years before your time, Dunc, but for a number of years the ushers would go down to the glass during "Gary Glitter" looking up into the sections for people saying "F 'em up" instead of "Rough 'em up", and then try to throw those people out. But that hasn't been the practice for a while now.

I'm seriously shocked and appalled that you got thrown out for starting a song the pep band has been regularly playing because tonight they chose not to play it.

I heard third hand that ECAC commissioner directed the band not to play it.

vemonkey
At some point we are actually going to get a penalty for the period change over fish throwing, but the students don't think the refs will do it.

I think the last time it happened was 2011 (when fish were tossed to “celebrate” our tying goal in the third period):
[www.collegehockeystats.net]

We killed the fish throwing penalty, but Harvard got another PP right after and scored the GWG on that one.

sah67

vemonkey
At some point we are actually going to get a penalty for the period change over fish throwing, but the students don't think the refs will do it.

I think the last time it happened was 2011 (when fish were tossed to “celebrate” our tying goal in the third period):
[www.collegehockeystats.net]

We killed the fish throwing penalty, but Harvard got another PP right after and scored the GWG on that one.

I was at that game and while I don't remember the fish penalty, I do remember the GWG. Not a pretty game

IIRC one of the two ties we got during The Troubles (0-10-2) would have been a win but the eejits cost us a penalty and Harvard scored the tying goal on powerplay.

Iceberg
Some of these posts reminded me of why I only went to two of the games against Harvard as a student. They always seemed to attract some of the most obnoxious folks who never appear at any other games.

Take young males and add alcohol. When I was a student, the fans in A and B at Fish 'n Fowl were, how shall I put this?, more "attractive" than the fans the rest of the season. They were there to be seen, not to watch.

I remember at a game in the early 80s a typically drunken fool and his Five Towns GF were laughing and cursing at (both) teams, and as the ushers approached the guy he turned to us and yelled Bluto-style, "Who's with me?!"

We all applauded as they frog marched him out.

Trotsky
IIRC one of the two ties we got during The Troubles (0-10-2) would have been a win but the eejits cost us a penalty and Harvard scored the tying goal on powerplay.

The one I can still remember was '95, the last one of that streak, when somebody heaved a fish onto the ice at the start of the second period. Minor was called and announced, and then Arthur read the no-throwing-things announcement for the third time that night, adding in his best I'm-surrounded-by-assholes voice, "as has just been demonstrated, the referees WILL call a penalty." Harvard scored on the PP. Not the game-winner, but their first goal in a game the Big Red would lose 2-1.

I believe that was when Arthur said, "For those who did not hear the first warning, or are incapable of understanding, ..." It was Peak Arthur; AFAIC the crowning achievement of a legendary career.

If they replace him with one of those smarmy let's get ready rumble fuckwits I will personally remedy the situation.

vemonkey
Wish it had happened last night. The student section was a little too rowdy tonight and needs to relearn some of the chants from the list on elynah.

Although I believe in adaptation and new, creative cheer development I agree with "relearn" suggestion:
1) In addition to jingling keys at inappropriate moments, it is disappointing to hear the students chant "warm up the bus" when I'm pretty sure it was "go start the bus." (perhaps I am remembering wrong?)
2) Also, maybe the "you goon" cheer was intentionally changed, but the "aaahhh, see ya! a-hole, you goon!" has morphed to something else that sounds silly to me. (But maybe I'm just invested in the original because I inspired it...)
3) Personally, I'd like to hear the Black Hole cheer resurrected - haven't heard the whole cheer in a long time - starting with "hey ___, you're not a goalie, you're a sieve... That's just plain fun to do with the crowd!
4) Finally, the canned scoreboard crowd-rowdy-maker videos have to go. Embarrassing, impersonal, lazy IMO. I think St Lawrence uses the hi-tech score board much more effectively than Cornell.

I remember "Go start the bus", too. Unless we played Army ("Go start the tank" or Sucks ("Go staht the cahr".

I think the whole "Hey goalie...your _____ Called" is uninteresting. Nobody can hear anything but You suck".

I despise the tubas "Over There". Manly because the cheers don't fit the rhythm. It sounds clumsy to me,

Chris '03

andyw2100

Dunc
What the fuck. They kicked me out cuz for starting Garry glitter due to “swears”.. in my last Cornell hockey game… I’m literally crying….-

That's ridiculous!

I'm guessing the band didn't play it because they somehow thought Schafer didn't want them to? I really don't think that was his intention.

It's probably a few years before your time, Dunc, but for a number of years the ushers would go down to the glass during "Gary Glitter" looking up into the sections for people saying "F 'em up" instead of "Rough 'em up", and then try to throw those people out. But that hasn't been the practice for a while now.

I'm seriously shocked and appalled that you got thrown out for starting a song the pep band has been regularly playing because tonight they chose not to play it.

I heard third hand that ECAC commissioner directed the band not to play it.

Umm. And did you get an explanation as to why?? Why does the ECAC Commissioner care if the band plays a song?

BearLover
Why does the ECAC Commissioner care if the band plays a song?

Because the vast majority of the students chant "Fuck 'em up, fuck 'em up, Go CU!" during Gary Glitter instead of "Rough 'em up." Rumor has it the ECAC commish was already very displeased with the student section behavior during Game 1, and Schafer's reading of the riot act to the students over the PA during the period break last night may have been a result of that (and the students' continued F-bomb-laden chants.)

sah67

BearLover
Why does the ECAC Commissioner care if the band plays a song?

Because the vast majority of the students chant "Fuck 'em up, fuck 'em up, Go CU!" during Gary Glitter instead of "Rough 'em up." Rumor has it the ECAC commish was already very displeased with the student section behavior during Game 1, and Schafer's reading of the riot act to the students over the PA during the period break last night may have been a result of that (and the students' continued F-bomb-laden chants.)

The vast majority of students have been chanting that for at least the last 15 years. They’ve also been chanting “Fuck you, Harvard!” for a long time now. What changed Friday night?

Are we never allowed to play Gary Glitter again now? That’s everybody’s favorite cheer (including the players’ if you listen to their interviews).

BearLover
They’ve also been chanting “Fuck you, Harvard!” for a long time now. What changed Friday night?

What’s your definition of “long time”? It definitely wasn’t a “thing” 20 years ago when I was in the student section, and in my last 12 years of being a season-ticket holder on the townie side, I’ve only heard it become noticeable during the COVID era.

BearLover
Are we never allowed to play Gary Glitter again now?

What led you to jump to that assumption? Seems pretty clear to me that it was a one time deal to try to settle the students down last night since league officials were in the house.

sah67

BearLover
They’ve also been chanting “Fuck you, Harvard!” for a long time now. What changed Friday night?

It definitely wasn’t a “thing” 20 years ago when I was in the student section, and in my last 12 years of being a season-ticket holder on the townie side, I’ve only heard it become noticeable during the “COVID era.”

Fair enough. It’s been going on for a few years at least, though.

But the question still remains—what’s wrong with Gary Glitter? The students have been dropping F-bombs during that song for 20 years. They would drop F-bombs with or without this song (as we saw last night). Are we not allowed to even play the song anymore? This is a college sports event, not kindergarten tee-ball.

BearLover

But the question still remains—what’s wrong with Gary Glitter? The students have been dropping F-bombs during that song for 20 years.

And the ushers have been tossing some of them out for that to “make an example” off and on over the last 20 years (although they do seem to have chilled out on the ejections during the last few years). Maybe it was an Andy Noel thing, and the new AD wants to have a better reputation with the students? That’s been my impression at least, although I think having ECAC brass in the building (like last night) causes sphincters to tighten up a bit amongst athletics staff.

sah67

BearLover

But the question still remains—what’s wrong with Gary Glitter? The students have been dropping F-bombs during that song for 20 years.

And the ushers have been tossing some of them out for that to “make an example” off and on over the last 20 years (although they do seem to have chilled out on the ejections during the last few years). Maybe it was an Andy Noel thing, and the new AD wants to have a better reputation with the students? That’s been my impression at least, although I think having ECAC brass in the building (like last night) causes sphincters to tighten up a bit amongst athletics staff.

In four years of sitting in the student section with everyone yelling “fuck ‘em up,” never once did I see someone tossed out for that.

Wasn't there a "fuck you harvard" chant in the first period of both games?

Jeff Hopkins '82
I remember "Go start the bus", too. Unless we played Army ("Go start the tank" or Sucks ("Go staht the cahr".

I think the whole "Hey goalie...your _____ Called" is uninteresting. Nobody can hear anything but You suck".

I despise the tubas "Over There". Manly because the cheers don't fit the rhythm. It sounds clumsy to me,

My annual Tepid Takes:

• The tubas are okay. They lost Swanee River to the worry beaders so whatevs.
• The "Ring, ring" cheer is just whatever person and/or frat does it masturbating in public. It's embarrassing. (Also, we stole it from BU, and they do it much better, which is even more embarrassing.)
• The worst thing is "Bend over," which is a lazy cheer that often continues right up until the other team scores into our net. Way to go, fans.
• The second-worst thing is the Jeopardy Theme, which is the pep band indulging itself. It makes them sound stupid, which is terrible because our band is the best.
• I wish they would bring back "Go start the x," "Black hole" (the only chant I know of which was started by and stolen from Harvard), "Fight Maim Kill."
• Stop doing "Hey Bâby" now that it's associated with sinkholes like Fenway.
• Finally, bring back the skating bear and the season-ending strip tease. That was epic.

Post script: and for fuck's sake, TRY NEW THINGS! When it's quiet, scream out some funny bit of inspiration. That is where every Cornell cheer started. Every one of our chants is the detritus of somebody auditioning, killing it, and it getting picked up first by their row, then their section, and finally the whole barn. Put down your iPacifier and engage with the world, you nasty little shits.

And keep my social security checks coming!

Dafatone
Wasn't there a "fuck you harvard" chant in the first period of both games?

Oh, yeah, and it was loud and clear on the broadcast. I have a feeling we are going to get an off-season directive and it will go the way of "The ref fucks sheep."

Great to see Goldstein!

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82
I remember "Go start the bus", too. Unless we played Army ("Go start the tank" or Sucks ("Go staht the cahr".

I think the whole "Hey goalie...your _____ Called" is uninteresting. Nobody can hear anything but You suck".

I despise the tubas "Over There". Manly because the cheers don't fit the rhythm. It sounds clumsy to me,

My annual Tepid Takes:

• The tubas are okay. They lost Swanee River to the worry beaders so whatevs.
• The "Ring, ring" cheer is just whatever person and/or frat does it masturbating in public. It's embarrassing. (Also, we stole it from BU, and they do it much better.)
• The worst thing is "Bend over," which is a lazy cheer that often continues right up until the other team scores into our net. Way to go, fans.
• The second-worst thing is the Jeopardy Theme, which is the pep band indulging itself. It makes them sound stupid, which is terrible because our band is the best.
• I wish they would bring back "Go start the x," "Black hole" (the only chant I know of which was started by and stolen from Harvard), "Fight Maim Kill."
• Stop doing "Hey Bâby" now that it's associated with sinkholes like Fenway.
• Finally, bring back the skating bear and the season-ending strip tease. That was epic.

The lamest cheer by far is the “hi ho, Silver, away!” or whatever they’re saying, is plus the cringe hand-motions.

BearLover
The lamest cheer by far is the “hi ho, Silver, away!” or whatever they’re saying, is plus the cringe hand-motions.

That's actually a really old one; IINM it is a reference to an Ike Willis bit who did a Lone Ranger thing during the 1984 Zappa tour because one night (in I believe Buffalo, but in any case in upstate NY), he just got really silly on stage. It caught on and, like the bit, it is great because it is so lame. I personally adore it. And I am fine with inside jokes in the band. Some are wonderful. But they need to be quick, in and out.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82
I remember "Go start the bus", too. Unless we played Army ("Go start the tank" or Sucks ("Go staht the cahr".

I think the whole "Hey goalie...your _____ Called" is uninteresting. Nobody can hear anything but You suck".

I despise the tubas "Over There". Manly because the cheers don't fit the rhythm. It sounds clumsy to me,

My annual Tepid Takes:

• The tubas are okay. They lost Swanee River to the worry beaders so whatevs.
• The "Ring, ring" cheer is just whatever person and/or frat does it masturbating in public. It's embarrassing. (Also, we stole it from BU, and they do it much better, which is even more embarrassing.)
• The worst thing is "Bend over," which is a lazy cheer that often continues right up until the other team scores into our net. Way to go, fans.
• The second-worst thing is the Jeopardy Theme, which is the pep band indulging itself. It makes them sound stupid, which is terrible because our band is the best.
• I wish they would bring back "Go start the x," "Black hole" (the only chant I know of which was started by and stolen from Harvard), "Fight Maim Kill."
• Stop doing "Hey Bâby" now that it's associated with sinkholes like Fenway.
• Finally, bring back the skating bear and the season-ending strip tease. That was epic.

Post script: and for fuck's sake, TRY NEW THINGS! When it's quiet, scream out some funny bit of inspiration. That is where every Cornell cheer started. Every one of our chants is the detritus of somebody auditioning, killing it, and it getting picked up first by their row, then their section, and finally the whole barn. Put down your iPacifier and engage with the world, you nasty little shits.

And keep my social security checks coming!

I agree with just about all of this.
- While "bend over" is just cringey and lazy (made even worse by how common it is during a game), "Ugly" always still cracks me up during timeouts when the mask comes off.
- Whoever first screwed up the nice, clear, blunt "Die, Drop dead, Go home" and replaced them with the long garbled nonsense needs to, well, die, drop dead, and/or just go home.
- I still can't believe they haven't figured out how to make a "Let's go Red" chant last more than about 5 seconds. And not only that chant, but why is everything always so rushed? What's even the point of the goal count and "sieve" if they just do it as quickly as possible to get to the "it's all your fault"?
- Do they still do "good goalie, bad goalie"?
- IMHO, The bests are the slight twists on the classics - like "Go start the tank" mentioned above and "good goalie" to the empty net that the CU player just barely missed and "bad goalie" to the pulled one on the bench.

It was AWESOME to hear the students singing the Gary Glitter song last night. I miss that from the pre-covid days, when it would continue on after the puck dropped. Sorry you got the boot Dunc!

What was going on with the Harvard players not leaving the ice at the end of the 2nd period? They were all standing around by the Zamboni door. Was that related to the F Bombs? Can’t think they would actually care.

When they pull their goalie, Goalie! < point to our net >, Sieve! < point to empty net >, Sieve! < point to departed goalie on bench >

When they replace their goalie, "Second string sieve!"

I believe we were told expressly to stop doing "Die!" which... yeah, I get that. "Dieeeeeeeeee" is so dumb nobody is insulted by it.

The speeding up is what happens when you are mostly training a new crowd, which, remember, we still are. The crowd has to realize the cheer has a purpose, it is not for them, it is to raise the level of intensity of the barn to hype up the team. That is why long, slow, building chants are so effective. Lynah doesn't really have anything like it anymore, but in more disciplined days, and in other buildings, when you can get a crowd to be slow, in sync, and in full voice, it is fucking terrifying, it sounds like a bell tolling and The Furies are going to swoop down from the rafters and carry your sorry ass visiting team soul to hell.

One of my favorite Faithful memoires isn't even at Lynah, it was at the Garden with Harvard and RPI playing the 1985 final. The Faithful had an entire section and we had all shown up despite being destroyed by eventual national champion RPI the prior night, since, why not, we're here already?

During a quiet time during play, when all you could hear was skates on the ice, as one the Faithful chanted, slowly, "the coach is bald!" and pointed at Cleary. Then "the coach is fat!" and pointed at Adessa. And then, again, slowly, alternating back and forth, "Bald!... Fat!... Bald!... Fat!..."

Harvard was used to it because of Fish N Fowl, but at a stoppage I saw two RPI players turn around and just look in the stands, like, "What is WRONG with you people? Your team isn't even here." It was so gratifying.

That is what is missing now. I believe it can and will come again.