Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 1

It is something called "National Wear Red Day," which ought to be May 1.

"national Red Out day" for a game we are playing a team with a Red away jersey... is a... choice!

Much like Syracuse chooses to do Orange day when playing Clemson.

also announcing it the day of the game is pretty dumb as a promotion.

Sometimes RPI would have its Big Red Freakout against us.

Are these special “wear color X” games a new thing under new AD Nicki Moore? Maybe we did them occasionally before but they seem to be more of a thing now. Perhaps it would have been better to do the Red Out a different game, but I still think these special events are smart in general. Anything to drum up student interest is a good thing. Especially given a lot of students just joined Greek life and their social schedules will be tied up in that for second semester.

Dafatone
Sometimes RPI would have its Big Red Freakout against us.

Just once (1982). [sports-chronicles.com]

ursusminor

Dafatone
Sometimes RPI would have its Big Red Freakout against us.

Just once (1982). [sports-chronicles.com]

Huh. Thought it had happened since I started watching (2005ish). Thanks.

O’Brien and Suda in the lineup

Who’s out? Mosko and Wallace? Wow-O’Brien. Haven’t heard that name in a while.

No hockey yet on the radio. Still the lunatics.

Here we go

Robertson on the "watch list" for the Tim Taylor Award (NCAA ROTY). No Cornellian has ever won it.

Presumably Celebrini wins it this year.

Sign at BU-UNH game: Your mascot is domesticated

I have to admit for a giveaway night section A is depressing (coming from student in B)

Dunc
I have to admit for a giveaway night section A is depressing (coming from student in B)

Is the band there? Section A looks completely empty on the end closest to the Zamboni door

All freshman scoring line (Devlin from Kraft and Catalano). I think that is our first this year.

We are 12-0 on faceoffs.

17-0. And a penalty.

18-3 after one.

SLU isn’t bad in transition but that’s about all they’ve got

chimpfood
SLU isn’t bad in transition but that’s about all they’ve got

Kill forecheck looked great, but that may have been us.

Q with 17 SOG on 33 shot attempts in the first period against Harvard, but leads only 1-0.

Just checked the live box. What do you have to do to get a face off violation penalty?

pjd8
Just checked the live box. What do you have to do to get a face off violation penalty?

Encroach twice. You get a warning the first time.

Huh, the faceoff penalty is charged to BENCH.

Trotsky
Huh, the faceoff penalty is charged to BENCH.

That’s why I was confused. If someone is encroaching, shouldn’t that player get the penalty?

But maybe not if two different players encroach in succession?

OK, that was a great period. Keep that going.

Man, Castagna.

Good, solid 60-minute effort.

I'd sure like to know where ESPN+ got the idea that Cornell was 11-4 in the ECAC. The women are 12-5, maybe that sort of explains it.

Some night, Stonehill will win.

This is not that night.

(Note the Pete Muzyka nostalgia tour.)

Western Michigan, pairwise #14, is losing,

ASU tied with Lindenwood in the 2nd.

Current RPI:

12. .554 Michigan
13. .554 Western Michigan
14. .550 St. Cloud
15. .549 Cornell
16. .543 Colorado College
17. .542 UNH

Back to 2nd in the ECAC now. a win tomorrow and we will open up a 4pt lead over 4th.

8 teams within 6 pts of 2nd place

2nd place BC has 11 pts over 3rd place in HE.

Trotsky
Robertson on the "watch list" for the Tim Taylor Award (NCAA ROTY). No Cornellian has ever won it.

I think Ben Robertson is going to be outstanding, and a fine young man ... But these "watch lists" (for all the awards) are worth as much as the digital ink they're printed on. They're nothing more than an excuse for SIDs to send out more press releases.

One of the 10 or so NHL 1st Rd. picks in the NCAA will win this award -- odds are it will be Celebrini.

Give My Regards
I'd sure like to know where ESPN+ got the idea that Cornell was 11-4 in the ECAC. The women are 12-5, maybe that sort of explains it.

Every broadcast is school-produced. I won't get into the minutiae but they forgot to change them from last Saturday's women's game.

Trotsky
ASU tied with Lindenwood in the 2nd.

Whatever a Lindenwood is, it's up a goal with about 9 min left in the third.

Well what should we complain about tonight? Bearlover you’re up. Crowd bad tonight?

Kraft was an animal tonight! He made the play that led to the rebound on the Devlin goal. Had a nose for the puck on almost every shift. Made three defensive plays in the third while holding down the lead (1-play at the blue line to stop an entry, 2-in perfect position to intercept a pass at the top of the zone and 3-a lay out to block a shot late either short handed or on the 6x5). Then rewarded with the empty netter. Bancroft was looking for him the whole time so I have to imagine the boys were keeping tabs on who deserved that one.

It maybe didn’t start out that way but it was nice to end up with a comfortable win. That first power play? Woof. Never could get established. I thought it was a missed opportunity to take control of the game in the first minutes. On the first goal against I thought O’Brien had an opportunity to go for the puck but it’s hard to blame a guy who doesn’t get to play much for staying home instead of taking a risk. They really started to wear SLU down in that second period. There weren’t many hits but the Big Red were easily the heavier team. It was pretty neat to see the 2-1 goal develop. Walsh and Robertson seemed to draw up a play together behind the net and then each guy went untouched to the perfect spots to connect. What about that effort by Penney on the 3-1? Power and finesse = finish. How come they don’t look to shoot from the point on the power play like Fegaras did 5x5 for the 4-1? Something to consider……

Trotsky
Current RPI:

12. .554 Michigan
13. .554 Western Michigan
14. .550 St. Cloud
15. .549 Cornell
16. .543 Colorado College
17. .542 UNH

UNH still has to play Maine two more times and BC three times, which will help them here. Cornell has only three games against opponents who are over .500, and barely over at that.

Big Dingus
Well what should we complain about tonight? Bearlover you’re up. Crowd bad tonight?

it was a pretty rough crowd to be fair, I would like to see section E turned back to the townies so that it and the rest of the student sections get filled better.

adamw
But these "watch lists" (for all the awards) are worth as much as the digital ink they're printed on. They're nothing more than an excuse for SIDs to send out more press releases.

What are they? I've never heard of them before. Are they put out by conferences to promote their players?

Big Dingus
Well what should we complain about tonight? Bearlover you’re up. Crowd bad tonight?

Great effort by the hockey team but yeah, crowd bad tonight. Cornell needs to reduce the price of tickets. There’s no other good solution at this point.

"If you win they will come."

There is a reason RPI's greatest period of fan support was the mid-80s and, for that matter, that ours was the late 60s.

Even otherwise pathetic Harvard had a packed building through the 80s.

Trotsky
"If you win they will come."

There is a reason RPI's greatest period of fan support was the mid-80s.

This is clearly false at this point. Cornell has been a perennial power and made the NCAA 5 of its last 6 seasons, including two 1-seeds.

BearLover

Trotsky
"If you win they will come."

There is a reason RPI's greatest period of fan support was the mid-80s.

This is clearly false at this point. Cornell has been a perennial power and made the NCAA 5 of its last 6 seasons, including two 1-seeds.

Win more.

When we were at our best we went to Frozen Fours, not Quarterfinals.

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky
"If you win they will come."

There is a reason RPI's greatest period of fan support was the mid-80s.

This is clearly false at this point. Cornell has been a perennial power and made the NCAA 5 of its last 6 seasons, including two 1-seeds.

Win more.

When we were at our best we went to Frozen Fours, not Quarterfinals.

Lol, come on dude. This point is absurd. There’s nobody in the greater Ithaca area whose decision whether to buy tix on a given night has anything to do with whether we finished in the final 8 or the final 4 in the prior year. Cornell has made one frozen four in the past 40 years. Cornell was the #1 team in the country when the 2020 season was canceled. You’re picking completely arbitrary cutoff points to determine how good we are, which the casual fan doesn’t care about in any event, to support this crazy argument.

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky
"If you win they will come."

There is a reason RPI's greatest period of fan support was the mid-80s.

This is clearly false at this point. Cornell has been a perennial power and made the NCAA 5 of its last 6 seasons, including two 1-seeds.

Win more.

When we were at our best we went to Frozen Fours, not Quarterfinals.

Lol, come on dude. This point is absurd. There’s nobody in the greater Ithaca area whose decision whether to buy tix on a given night has anything to do with whether we finished in the final 8 or the final 4 in the prior year. Cornell has made one frozen four in the past 40 years. Cornell was the #1 team in the country when the 2020 season was canceled. You’re picking completely arbitrary cutoff points to determine how good we are, which the casual fan doesn’t care about in any event, to support this crazy argument.

I'm not arguing. I'm saying the more we win the more students will come. If you want to argue the more we win the fewer will come, be my guest.

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky
"If you win they will come."

There is a reason RPI's greatest period of fan support was the mid-80s.

This is clearly false at this point. Cornell has been a perennial power and made the NCAA 5 of its last 6 seasons, including two 1-seeds.

Win more.

When we were at our best we went to Frozen Fours, not Quarterfinals.

Lol, come on dude. This point is absurd. There’s nobody in the greater Ithaca area whose decision whether to buy tix on a given night has anything to do with whether we finished in the final 8 or the final 4 in the prior year. Cornell has made one frozen four in the past 40 years. Cornell was the #1 team in the country when the 2020 season was canceled. You’re picking completely arbitrary cutoff points to determine how good we are, which the casual fan doesn’t care about in any event, to support this crazy argument.

I'm not arguing. I'm saying the more we win the more students will come. If you want to argue the more we win the fewer will come, be my guest.

I’m arguing that recent success is clearly insufficient to fill Lynah. I’d think this is pretty clear given this year’s somewhat lackluster attendance follows an extremely successful period for the program. Those students and townies who really care about team success are already buying tickets. The fan Cornell needs to attract is the marginal fan who has no idea what the PWR or ECAC is. Obviously, I am not arguing that the more we win the fewer will come. Rather, I am arguing that to attract more fans, winning more clearly isn’t the answer.

Here are some actual observations about the game. I missed most of the game so my comments may be off-base; I can really only speak with respect to what I was able to see:
—man, pretty brutal for Jack O’Brien to finally get into the lineup and then on maybe his first shift have the forward score on him. He wasn’t out of position but as ViewfromK said, he probably needed to play the StL player more aggressively.
—the Robertson-to-Walsh goal was pretty. Robertson is so good, damn.
—Fegaras seemed to have a good game. He was very involved and had some nice hard shots on net. Then he was rewarded with the goal, though I thought it may have hit a stick shortly after George shot it rather than it going in cleanly via snipe.
—Shane seemed shaky. StL had only 13 SOG, but one got behind Shane which Stanley kept out, and another hit the post.
—that was a dominant game. If you outshoot the opposing team 34-13 you’re usually going to win.

There was a wrestling event and basketball last night but I’m not sure how much either of those took away folks who otherwise would have been at hockey. Could use the extra support tonight since Clarkson usually travels decent compared to the other schools. Plus their band is always there.

tickets are being sold. people are not coming.. In the old days people came all the time.. Now many townies have tickets but dont come both nights. You cant give them away any more so sold tickets become empty seats more often on the townie side.


I dont think pricing is keeping the students away.

And while many dont care I know covid is still a thing driving some to stay home.

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky
"If you win they will come."

There is a reason RPI's greatest period of fan support was the mid-80s.

This is clearly false at this point. Cornell has been a perennial power and made the NCAA 5 of its last 6 seasons, including two 1-seeds.

Win more.

When we were at our best we went to Frozen Fours, not Quarterfinals.

Lol, come on dude. This point is absurd. There’s nobody in the greater Ithaca area whose decision whether to buy tix on a given night has anything to do with whether we finished in the final 8 or the final 4 in the prior year. Cornell has made one frozen four in the past 40 years. Cornell was the #1 team in the country when the 2020 season was canceled. You’re picking completely arbitrary cutoff points to determine how good we are, which the casual fan doesn’t care about in any event, to support this crazy argument.

I'm not arguing. I'm saying the more we win the more students will come. If you want to argue the more we win the fewer will come, be my guest.

I’m arguing that recent success is clearly insufficient to fill Lynah. I’d think this is pretty clear given this year’s somewhat lackluster attendance follows an extremely successful period for the program. Those students and townies who really care about team success are already buying tickets. The fan Cornell needs to attract is the marginal fan who has no idea what the PWR or ECAC is. Obviously, I am not arguing that the more we win the fewer will come. Rather, I am arguing that to attract more fans, winning more clearly isn’t the answer.

Some hardware and a trip to the Frozen Four would do wonders for lay fan interest and excitement. A pair of Whitelaws back to back and an NCAA finals run would surely do the trick. Us Longtimers know the team has had overall success for decades, but it's that flash that reels in the Facetimers. The 2000's squads, especially around the 2003 team, had insane crowds at Lynah. You're both right here.

upprdeck
tickets are being sold. people are not coming.. In the old days people came all the time.. Now many townies have tickets but dont come both nights. You cant give them away any more so sold tickets become empty seats more often on the townie side, even with very good teams.


I dont think pricing is keeping the students away.

And while many dont care I know covid is still a thing driving some to stay home.

I loathe To say a wirtzian thing, but at this level, I feel that having every game on cheap streaming is going to impact the in-person attendance to some degree. It’s just easier to have the game on at home, and reduces the need/desire to get in the bleachers for every game.

I think that’s true everywhere. Attendance for live college games are just down.

The Rancor

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky
"If you win they will come."

There is a reason RPI's greatest period of fan support was the mid-80s.

This is clearly false at this point. Cornell has been a perennial power and made the NCAA 5 of its last 6 seasons, including two 1-seeds.

Win more.

When we were at our best we went to Frozen Fours, not Quarterfinals.

Lol, come on dude. This point is absurd. There’s nobody in the greater Ithaca area whose decision whether to buy tix on a given night has anything to do with whether we finished in the final 8 or the final 4 in the prior year. Cornell has made one frozen four in the past 40 years. Cornell was the #1 team in the country when the 2020 season was canceled. You’re picking completely arbitrary cutoff points to determine how good we are, which the casual fan doesn’t care about in any event, to support this crazy argument.

I'm not arguing. I'm saying the more we win the more students will come. If you want to argue the more we win the fewer will come, be my guest.

I’m arguing that recent success is clearly insufficient to fill Lynah. I’d think this is pretty clear given this year’s somewhat lackluster attendance follows an extremely successful period for the program. Those students and townies who really care about team success are already buying tickets. The fan Cornell needs to attract is the marginal fan who has no idea what the PWR or ECAC is. Obviously, I am not arguing that the more we win the fewer will come. Rather, I am arguing that to attract more fans, winning more clearly isn’t the answer.

Some hardware and a trip to the Frozen Four would do wonders for lay fan interest and excitement. A pair of Whitelaws back to back and an NCAA finals run would surely do the trick. Us Longtimers know the team has had overall success for decades, but it's that flash that reels in the Facetimers. The 2000's squads, especially around the 2003 team, had insane crowds at Lynah. You're both right here.

I really don’t think this is true at all. Like, at all. But there’s only one way to prove it…

The Rancor
Some hardware and a trip to the Frozen Four would do wonders for lay fan interest and excitement. A pair of Whitelaws back to back and an NCAA finals run would surely do the trick. Us Longtimers know the team has had overall success for decades, but it's that flash that reels in the Facetimers. The 2000's squads, especially around the 2003 team, had insane crowds at Lynah. You're both right here.

The thing that really fills the student section is when it becomes a social event for the Greek types. Winning turns on the BIRG tap for the ahem Basic students.

Holding NC$$ games on campus would really fluff that as well.

I'm not worried that the back of the Lynah Faithful has been broken. Returning to winning so soon after COVID helped a lot, but the sport itself is just intertwined with Cornell culture; it fits. It's cold and miserable and a rink is actually more cozy than walking around outside in February. We'll never lose that -- at worst, during down periods it will go dormant.

I think a lot of it is the improved product on ESPN+ vs the early days of ILDN, which had like one camera and was real glitchy. Also the improved reliability of home WiFi. I’ve spoken to plenty of people who just stay home and watch on tv. I’d love to know how many people watch each Cornell game on ESPN+ (and where they are geographically) though I doubt that info is available to the public.

I agree that ESPN+ is part of it. I hope not many from the Ithaca area, and certainly not many students, are watching home game webcasts, but I don’t really know.

Seems to me like most of the bare seats are on the student side but townie attendance seems down a bit too.

We actually drove out from Boston for the weekend to bring the kids to their first home games. Section A was empty. I know that we were there during the insane fan times (we are '07 and '08) but it was very disappointing. For anybody needing some energy my 7 year old will be the one losing her fucking mind in section N tonight

For me the shift away from Lynah began when the Men’s basketball team went on their back to back NCAA tournament runs.

BearLover
Here are some actual observations about the game. I missed most of the game so my comments may be off-base; I can really only speak with respect to what I was able to see:
—man, pretty brutal for Jack O’Brien to finally get into the lineup and then on maybe his first shift have the forward score on him. He wasn’t out of position but as ViewfromK said, he probably needed to play the StL player more aggressively.
—the Robertson-to-Walsh goal was pretty. Robertson is so good, damn.
—Fegaras seemed to have a good game. He was very involved and had some nice hard shots on net. Then he was rewarded with the goal, though I thought it may have hit a stick shortly after George shot it rather than it going in cleanly via snipe.
—Shane seemed shaky. StL had only 13 SOG, but one got behind Shane which Stanley kept out, and another hit the post.
—that was a dominant game. If you outshoot the opposing team 34-13 you’re usually going to win.

I thought it was a great individual effort from the SLU player to score. I don't blame O'Brien for not stepping up given that there would have been no other defender if he pinched and missed the puck. Even then, the eventual goal scorer still had to fight through the two other defenders who were draped on him.

The shot from Fegaras was definitely tipped upward on the way to the net. I'm not so sure Kraws stops it even if it doesn't hit the stick, though, because there was a lot of net to shoot at and his angle was off due to being heavily screened.

It sure was good to experience a dominant, uneventful win. It seems like many of these games against weaker teams this season have been an adventure.

VIEWfromK
For me the shift away from Lynah began when the Men’s basketball team went on their back to back NCAA tournament runs.

IDK. It’s not like home basketball games are attracting that many fans, and it’s rare for basketball and hockey to have competing home games in the first place. But you’re right that things started to decline around the time when the basketball team began having success. I was a student then. Still, by the time I graduated in the early 2010s, A and B were still completely full, and D was almost entirely full every night (and, unlike today, entirely on its feet during play). Students weren’t in C yet, which accounts for some, but far from all, of the empty seats in the other student sections today. The townie side was definitely fuller. It seemed like most games, from the view of the student side you couldn’t make out an empty seat on the townie side (other than a few behind the goal).

It’s been a gradual decline since around 2007. Even though we’ve won a lot more the past six years than we did the prior four, and basketball started to struggle again, that hasn’t slowed the decline.

its been a decline since the redo and the box seats were created..

VIEWfromK
For me the shift away from Lynah began when the Men’s basketball team went on their back to back NCAA tournament runs.

Well, until last Saturday’s Princeton game Newman has been pretty much a ghost town for the better part of a decade.

I think the cheap streaming (which I’m thankful to have) is the biggest factor in the attendance drop-off.

its interesting because when I talk to locals I find almost no one who has espn+ to watch games..

upprdeck
its interesting because when I talk to locals I find almost no one who has espn+ to watch games..

I'm local and have ESPN+ to watch away games and home games if I am out of town. But I'm probably not a great example. I also paid $15 per game or whatever it was to watch away games not on ILDN.

I realize everyone only sees things through their own lens - but Rich is right - it's like this everywhere. It's harder to get people to go - and, if they go, to get them to be loud. Heck, trying comparing concert crowds of today to yesteryear.

It's a combination of everything - cost, being able to watch nice video streams, and the cell phone culture. Add it all up.

That said, it's still pretty good - it's all relative.

Trotsky

adamw
But these "watch lists" (for all the awards) are worth as much as the digital ink they're printed on. They're nothing more than an excuse for SIDs to send out more press releases.

What are they? I've never heard of them before. Are they put out by conferences to promote their players?

What, watch lists? Like I said, just an excuse to send out press releases. Mainly by schools. Kinda like the poll. Neither serves any other purpose.

adamw
I realize everyone only sees things through their own lens - but Rich is right - it's like this everywhere. It's harder to get people to go - and, if they go, to get them to be loud. Heck, trying comparing concert crowds of today to yesteryear.

It's a combination of everything - cost, being able to watch nice video streams, and the cell phone culture. Add it all up.

That said, it's still pretty good - it's all relative.

And for whatever reason, tonight Section A looks better.

marty

adamw
I realize everyone only sees things through their own lens - but Rich is right - it's like this everywhere. It's harder to get people to go - and, if they go, to get them to be loud. Heck, trying comparing concert crowds of today to yesteryear.

It's a combination of everything - cost, being able to watch nice video streams, and the cell phone culture. Add it all up.

That said, it's still pretty good - it's all relative.

And for whatever reason, tonight Section A looks better.

Way better in fact… confusing

Dunc

marty

adamw
I realize everyone only sees things through their own lens - but Rich is right - it's like this everywhere. It's harder to get people to go - and, if they go, to get them to be loud. Heck, trying comparing concert crowds of today to yesteryear.

It's a combination of everything - cost, being able to watch nice video streams, and the cell phone culture. Add it all up.

That said, it's still pretty good - it's all relative.

And for whatever reason, tonight Section A looks better.

Way better in fact… confusing

Maybe Beyonce was live streaming on Tik-Tok Friday???

Dunc

marty

adamw
I realize everyone only sees things through their own lens - but Rich is right - it's like this everywhere. It's harder to get people to go - and, if they go, to get them to be loud. Heck, trying comparing concert crowds of today to yesteryear.

It's a combination of everything - cost, being able to watch nice video streams, and the cell phone culture. Add it all up.

That said, it's still pretty good - it's all relative.

And for whatever reason, tonight Section A looks better.

Way better in fact… confusing

Saturday’s seem to be the better attended night in general, and Clarkson is probably a bigger draw than SLU

Welcome back - as a Section N fan for 30+ years We appreciate the youth and enthusiasm!