Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by scoop85
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:03PM
I’m not certain what the exact age cutoff is, but I believe only Parker Murray will age out of juniors next season. He is the only ‘03 recruit.scoop85
BearLover
I just got scooped…by scoop! Seriously, I was in the middle of typing out a very similar post. I agree with much of what you said. I’m not sure how it would work regarding the goalie situation—will the Cornell coaches hold one of them back in juniors? Frankly, whoever comes next year will just be waiting behind Shane anyway, so I don’t think it makes much sense from either Cornell’s or Katz’s/Roest’s perspective for them to both matriculate next year.
I’m curious if we see any Cornell players enter the transfer portal. Competition for playing time next year is going to be fierce. At forward, we subtract Seger and add three freshmen, all of whom seem capable of cracking the lineup, with Major and perhaps Pirtle being very likely good enough to play right away. I wonder if Pirtle goes to the USHL for a year, just because of the playing time issue. Remember, next year we also get back Kovich, who missed almost this entire season with an injury. (With that said, we had very few injuries this year, so we may need depth more next season than we did this year.)
Similarly, at D, we lose nobody and have 6 shoe-ins to play next season who are already on the team. Wolfenberg was a highly regarded recruit but seems to have gotten injured this season. He and Mosko may need to wait for Suda/Rego/Kempf to graduate before seeing regular playing time. (However, we have a bunch more defensemen in the pipeline, so even then…)
Part of the nonsense regarding the fifth year eligibility was that it inflated roster size and made playing time difficult for new recruits. With Penney/O’Leary/Rego all returning, Cornell is finally experiencing some of this. I guess we will see how loyal players like Keopple and Donaldson are to the program. Both of these players on paper should (and maybe ultimately will) get playing time. But the immediate future looks very difficult.
As far as draft picks are concerned, seems the only recruit with a legitimate shot of being drafted is DiGiulian. However, the Cornell player most likely to be drafted may already be on the team (Ben Robertson).
Logically we’d want to hold a slew of these guys back, but I assume at least a few of them may be aging out of juniors (I don’t have time to look it up), so that may not be an option across the board.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:03PM
BearLover
I just got scooped…by scoop! Seriously, I was in the middle of typing out a very similar post. I agree with much of what you said. I’m not sure how it would work regarding the goalie situation—will the Cornell coaches hold one of them back in juniors? Frankly, whoever comes next year will just be waiting behind Shane anyway, so I don’t think it makes much sense from either Cornell’s or Katz’s/Roest’s perspective for them to both matriculate next year.
I’m curious if we see any Cornell players enter the transfer portal. Competition for playing time next year is going to be fierce. At forward, we subtract Seger and add three freshmen, all of whom seem capable of cracking the lineup, with Major and perhaps Pirtle being very likely good enough to play right away. I wonder if Pirtle goes to the USHL for a year, just because of the playing time issue. Remember, next year we also get back Kovich, who missed almost this entire season with an injury. (With that said, we had very few injuries this year, so we may need depth more next season than we did this year.)
Similarly, at D, we lose nobody and have 6 shoe-ins to play next season who are already on the team. Wolfenberg was a highly regarded recruit but seems to have gotten injured this season. He and Mosko may need to wait for Suda/Rego/Kempf to graduate before seeing regular playing time. (However, we have a bunch more defensemen in the pipeline, so even then…)
Part of the nonsense regarding the fifth year eligibility was that it inflated roster size and made playing time difficult for new recruits. With Penney/O’Leary/Rego all returning, Cornell is finally experiencing some of this. I guess we will see how loyal players like Keopple and Donaldson are to the program. Both of these players on paper should (and maybe ultimately will) get playing time. But the immediate future looks very difficult.
As far as draft picks are concerned, seems the only recruit with a legitimate shot of being drafted is DiGiulian. However, the Cornell player most likely to be drafted may already be on the team (Ben Robertson).
After the season he had, I have to imagine at least a few NHL teams have Robertson in their sights. If he’s not worthy of being drafted in at least a 5th or 6th round, then I have no idea what these teams can be looking at. In December the Hockey News listed him in their top 10 of draft eligible players who were passed up in the 2023 draft, and he only got better from there.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:03PM
BearLover
I just got scooped…by scoop! Seriously, I was in the middle of typing out a very similar post. I agree with much of what you said. I’m not sure how it would work regarding the goalie situation—will the Cornell coaches hold one of them back in juniors? Frankly, whoever comes next year will just be waiting behind Shane anyway, so I don’t think it makes much sense from either Cornell’s or Katz’s/Roest’s perspective for them to both matriculate next year.
Schafer goes with a clear #1 in net during the season, but he has also shown flexibility to challenge him and replace him if necessary:
1997: Experimented through the season with Pelletier, settled on Elliott
2000: Burt beat out Underhill who then re-beat out Burt in arguably the only season-long fight
2002: Infamously started with Underhill before figuring out Leneveu was a deity
2007: Started with Davenport, changed to Scrivens
2011: Ran a straight-up Iles-Garman rotation all year
2022: started with McDonald-Howe, changed to Shane.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:04PM
BearLover
No incoming transfers this year. I can assure you of that. There are no roster spots.Trotsky
If it's possible to hold guys for another year of USCHO seasoning, now would be when to do it.
17 Forwards and 11 Defenseman fighting for 12 / 6 / +1 slots, respectively, is 9 guys sitting, not including 3 goalies not named Ian Shane.
Since all 14 returning F seem to be keepers, I wonder if we will see one or more drop back? I could see Wallace on the blue line.
If Rayhill has been a healthy scratch for 3 years I guess he will be pursuing a fine career in sports journalism. I don't know if Steele was hurt this season. O'Brien is the next obvious guy on the bubble. Then you get to Kovich and Donaldson and, wow, I guess it's a good problem to have when guys of that caliber are your perma-bench.
This is of course ignoring defections, but also portal raids like Seger. Are there any faceoff specialists or snipers on bad NCHC / HE teams who would like to be the final piece of an F4 team? That's our world, now, and you know Rand will be backing up the truck.
Um, of academics. The truck of academics. Yeah.
If god comes a knockin'...
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: CAS (104.28.55.---)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:04PM
Wonder if Charlie Major could get drafted this year. He’s currently 7th in the USHL in both goals & total points.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:06PM
I'm thinking Robertson is a 3rd round pick. Word has gotten around.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:08PM
BearLover
I’m not certain what the exact age cutoff is, but I believe only Parker Murray will age out of juniors next season. He is the only ‘03 recruit.scoop85
BearLover
I just got scooped…by scoop! Seriously, I was in the middle of typing out a very similar post. I agree with much of what you said. I’m not sure how it would work regarding the goalie situation—will the Cornell coaches hold one of them back in juniors? Frankly, whoever comes next year will just be waiting behind Shane anyway, so I don’t think it makes much sense from either Cornell’s or Katz’s/Roest’s perspective for them to both matriculate next year.
I’m curious if we see any Cornell players enter the transfer portal. Competition for playing time next year is going to be fierce. At forward, we subtract Seger and add three freshmen, all of whom seem capable of cracking the lineup, with Major and perhaps Pirtle being very likely good enough to play right away. I wonder if Pirtle goes to the USHL for a year, just because of the playing time issue. Remember, next year we also get back Kovich, who missed almost this entire season with an injury. (With that said, we had very few injuries this year, so we may need depth more next season than we did this year.)
Similarly, at D, we lose nobody and have 6 shoe-ins to play next season who are already on the team. Wolfenberg was a highly regarded recruit but seems to have gotten injured this season. He and Mosko may need to wait for Suda/Rego/Kempf to graduate before seeing regular playing time. (However, we have a bunch more defensemen in the pipeline, so even then…)
Part of the nonsense regarding the fifth year eligibility was that it inflated roster size and made playing time difficult for new recruits. With Penney/O’Leary/Rego all returning, Cornell is finally experiencing some of this. I guess we will see how loyal players like Keopple and Donaldson are to the program. Both of these players on paper should (and maybe ultimately will) get playing time. But the immediate future looks very difficult.
As far as draft picks are concerned, seems the only recruit with a legitimate shot of being drafted is DiGiulian. However, the Cornell player most likely to be drafted may already be on the team (Ben Robertson).
Logically we’d want to hold a slew of these guys back, but I assume at least a few of them may be aging out of juniors (I don’t have time to look it up), so that may not be an option across the board.
That may well be the case. Must be some interesting conversations between the coaching staff, the recruits and their families about the best path forward for each player. I have to imagine even with the challenge of getting playing time, some of these guys who are going to be 20 will want to move forward with their college careers. Regardless it will be interesting to see who’s on the incoming recruit announcement later this year.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:09PM
.CAS
Wonder if Charlie Major could get drafted this year. He’s currently 7th in the USHL in both goals & total points.
Walsh was a 6th rounder after finishing 2nd in the USHL in points behind Celebrini, so you may be right about Major, especially given his great 2nd half of the season.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:16PM
I think Walsh was a fairly unique case. It’s possible, though. One analog to Robertson is Alex Green, another puck moving D who was drafted in the fourth round in 2018 after his freshman season at Cornell. Green had several inches on Robertson but nowhere near Robertson’s level of production in either juniors or during freshman year.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 12:39PM
interestingTrotsky
If it's possible to hold guys for another year of USCHO seasoning, now would be when to do it....
If Rayhill has been a healthy scratch for 3 years I guess he will be pursuing a fine career in sports journalism...
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 01:19PM
USHL. The Times regrets the error.
It was not a shot. Rayhill hosted the Cornell 2024 video and was fantastic. Far better than the "talent" that comes out of Bristol.
It was not a shot. Rayhill hosted the Cornell 2024 video and was fantastic. Far better than the "talent" that comes out of Bristol.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/31/2024 01:21PM by Trotsky.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 01:35PM
i didn't think it was. it's the offseason and we're arguing in the denver game thread over how much is the right amount of pain to feel. time to get stupid.Trotsky
USHL. The Times regrets the error.
It was not a shot. Rayhill hosted the Cornell 2024 video and was fantastic. Far better than the "talent" that comes out of Bristol.
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 01:58PM
BearLover
I think Walsh was a fairly unique case. It’s possible, though. One analog to Robertson is Alex Green, another puck moving D who was drafted in the fourth round in 2018 after his freshman season at Cornell. Green had several inches on Robertson but nowhere near Robertson’s level of production in either juniors or during freshman year.
While Green was a nice college defenseman, Robertson just has an “it” factor that Green didn’t have. No reason Robertson shouldn’t be a middle to late round pick given his performance. Someone made a comparison to Joakim Ryan, and I agree that Robertson’s ceiling is higher. He also has a lot of Malinski-like qualities.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: arugula (---.sub-174-192-3.myvzw.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 02:32PM
scoop85
BearLover
I think Walsh was a fairly unique case. It’s possible, though. One analog to Robertson is Alex Green, another puck moving D who was drafted in the fourth round in 2018 after his freshman season at Cornell. Green had several inches on Robertson but nowhere near Robertson’s level of production in either juniors or during freshman year.
While Green was a nice college defenseman, Robertson just has an “it” factor that Green didn’t have. No reason Robertson shouldn’t be a middle to late round pick given his performance. Someone made a comparison to Joakim Ryan, and I agree that Robertson’s ceiling is higher. He also has a lot of Malinski-like qualities.
Yes.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 04:14PM
And we're just the guys to do it.ugarte
i didn't think it was. it's the offseason and we're arguing in the denver game thread over how much is the right amount of pain to feel. time to get stupid.Trotsky
USHL. The Times regrets the error.
It was not a shot. Rayhill hosted the Cornell 2024 video and was fantastic. Far better than the "talent" that comes out of Bristol.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: CAS (104.28.55.---)
Date: April 01, 2024 07:56AM
Chase Pirtle is the 2nd highest scoring
‘05 in the BCHL
‘05 in the BCHL
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 01, 2024 08:57AM
CAS
Chase Pirtle is the 2nd highest scoring
‘05 in the BCHL
And the ‘05 he’s right behind plays for Surrey, which is 44-8, so the other guy likely has a stronger supporting cast.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: April 01, 2024 11:54AM
Scersk '97
scoop85
With no more games to focus on here’s a late season update for our listed recruits. We have plenty of talent in the pipeline:
I have never seen us line up the talent at center that we seem to have and are bringing in. I have to assume some of those guys are going to be converted to wing, but my god.
IIRC, Dan Lodboa was a forward when he came to Cornell, but Ned (aka "God" ) already had a few good forwards. So, he converted Dan to play as a D. Ned would later say Dan was the best hockey player he'd ever coached.
So, if history were to repeat itself, I'd take it!
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 01, 2024 12:32PM
Swampy
Scersk '97
scoop85
With no more games to focus on here’s a late season update for our listed recruits. We have plenty of talent in the pipeline:
I have never seen us line up the talent at center that we seem to have and are bringing in. I have to assume some of those guys are going to be converted to wing, but my god.
IIRC, Dan Lodboa was a forward when he came to Cornell, but Ned (aka "God" ) already had a few good forwards. So, he converted Dan to play as a D. Ned would later say Dan was the best hockey player he'd ever coached.
So, if history were to repeat itself, I'd take it!
I recently read a book called “They Did Everything But Win” about the Emile Francis Rangers of the 60’s and 70’s. There were some unflattering passages about Ned in the book; as I’ve heard elsewhere over the years, apparently his Red Wings players largely detested him and his “rah rah” college style approach. Certainly not the first or last time a college coach didn’t work out in the pros.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: April 01, 2024 04:07PM
Harry Orr, Steve Giuliani, Bruce Pattison and Lodboa were all forwards when they came to Cornell, then moved to defense by Ned. Could be others I'm forgetting.Swampy
Scersk '97
scoop85
With no more games to focus on here’s a late season update for our listed recruits. We have plenty of talent in the pipeline:
I have never seen us line up the talent at center that we seem to have and are bringing in. I have to assume some of those guys are going to be converted to wing, but my god.
IIRC, Dan Lodboa was a forward when he came to Cornell, but Ned (aka "God" ) already had a few good forwards. So, he converted Dan to play as a D. Ned would later say Dan was the best hockey player he'd ever coached.
So, if history were to repeat itself, I'd take it!
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: April 01, 2024 05:13PM
scoop85
Swampy
Scersk '97
scoop85
With no more games to focus on here’s a late season update for our listed recruits. We have plenty of talent in the pipeline:
I have never seen us line up the talent at center that we seem to have and are bringing in. I have to assume some of those guys are going to be converted to wing, but my god.
IIRC, Dan Lodboa was a forward when he came to Cornell, but Ned (aka "God" ) already had a few good forwards. So, he converted Dan to play as a D. Ned would later say Dan was the best hockey player he'd ever coached.
So, if history were to repeat itself, I'd take it!
I recently read a book called “They Did Everything But Win” about the Emile Francis Rangers of the 60’s and 70’s. There were some unflattering passages about Ned in the book; as I’ve heard elsewhere over the years, apparently his Red Wings players largely detested him and his “rah rah” college style approach. Certainly not the first or last time a college coach didn’t work out in the pros.
Question of the Day: Suppose Schafer was to coach for another seven years here, during which time he would win 2 NC's, with the second one being only the second time in NC$$ history that a Division I ice hockey team would go undefeated & untied. After that, he would spend a season as a NHL coach, during which time the pro players would reject him because of his "rah rah" college style.* Then, he would serve three years as the GM of the pro team, after which he would return to coaching college hockey at another ECAC school (not Harvard). There, before he retired, he would win his third NC.
Would you reject this scenario or welcome it?
*I haven't read "They Did Everything But Win," so I don't know if there's more criticism of Harkness. But here's how Wikipedia describes that brief cup of coffee as a NHL coach: "A veteran and aging Detroit roster had resisted adapting to Harkness's more progressive methods.[5] Things that are commonplace and obvious today, such as no cigar smoking in the locker room between periods and shorter ice shifts caused a mutiny by the veteran players.[5]"
The reference is to: Allen, Kevin; Duff, Bob (Oct 15, 2014). 100 Things Red Wings Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die. Triumph Books. ISBN 9781623689827
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 01, 2024 05:30PM
???????????????Swampy
scoop85
Swampy
Scersk '97
scoop85
With no more games to focus on here’s a late season update for our listed recruits. We have plenty of talent in the pipeline:
I have never seen us line up the talent at center that we seem to have and are bringing in. I have to assume some of those guys are going to be converted to wing, but my god.
IIRC, Dan Lodboa was a forward when he came to Cornell, but Ned (aka "God" ) already had a few good forwards. So, he converted Dan to play as a D. Ned would later say Dan was the best hockey player he'd ever coached.
So, if history were to repeat itself, I'd take it!
I recently read a book called “They Did Everything But Win” about the Emile Francis Rangers of the 60’s and 70’s. There were some unflattering passages about Ned in the book; as I’ve heard elsewhere over the years, apparently his Red Wings players largely detested him and his “rah rah” college style approach. Certainly not the first or last time a college coach didn’t work out in the pros.
Question of the Day: Suppose Schafer was to coach for another seven years here, during which time he would win 2 NC's, with the second one being only the second time in NC$$ history that a Division I ice hockey team would go undefeated & untied. After that, he would spend a season as a NHL coach, during which time the pro players would reject him because of his "rah rah" college style.* Then, he would serve three years as the GM of the pro team, after which he would return to coaching college hockey at another ECAC school (not Harvard). There, before he retired, he would win his third NC.
Would you reject this scenario or welcome it?
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 01, 2024 05:45PM
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1 Samuel 26:9
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 01, 2024 06:13PM
no! do not throw me into the briar patch!Swampy
scoop85
Swampy
Scersk '97
scoop85
With no more games to focus on here’s a late season update for our listed recruits. We have plenty of talent in the pipeline:
I have never seen us line up the talent at center that we seem to have and are bringing in. I have to assume some of those guys are going to be converted to wing, but my god.
IIRC, Dan Lodboa was a forward when he came to Cornell, but Ned (aka "God" ) already had a few good forwards. So, he converted Dan to play as a D. Ned would later say Dan was the best hockey player he'd ever coached.
So, if history were to repeat itself, I'd take it!
I recently read a book called “They Did Everything But Win” about the Emile Francis Rangers of the 60’s and 70’s. There were some unflattering passages about Ned in the book; as I’ve heard elsewhere over the years, apparently his Red Wings players largely detested him and his “rah rah” college style approach. Certainly not the first or last time a college coach didn’t work out in the pros.
Question of the Day: Suppose Schafer was to coach for another seven years here, during which time he would win 2 NC's, with the second one being only the second time in NC$$ history that a Division I ice hockey team would go undefeated & untied. After that ... he would return to coaching college hockey at another ECAC school (not Harvard). There, before he retired, he would win his third NC.
Would you reject this scenario or welcome it?
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: April 01, 2024 08:25PM
When we played at Michigan State to open the '19-'20 season, I found a copy of Kevin Allen's book in the bookstore across the street from campus. The chapter on Ned was entitled "Ned Harkness was Ahead of His Time" or something very similar. Kevin Allen was the lead hockey writer for USA Today for decades. A few years before his book came out, I had actually posted something on this website about the cigar smoking issue while Ned coached at Detroit (Maybe Kevin Allen reads elynah).Swampy
scoop85
Swampy
Scersk '97
scoop85
With no more games to focus on here’s a late season update for our listed recruits. We have plenty of talent in the pipeline:
I have never seen us line up the talent at center that we seem to have and are bringing in. I have to assume some of those guys are going to be converted to wing, but my god.
IIRC, Dan Lodboa was a forward when he came to Cornell, but Ned (aka "God" ) already had a few good forwards. So, he converted Dan to play as a D. Ned would later say Dan was the best hockey player he'd ever coached.
So, if history were to repeat itself, I'd take it!
I recently read a book called “They Did Everything But Win” about the Emile Francis Rangers of the 60’s and 70’s. There were some unflattering passages about Ned in the book; as I’ve heard elsewhere over the years, apparently his Red Wings players largely detested him and his “rah rah” college style approach. Certainly not the first or last time a college coach didn’t work out in the pros.
Question of the Day: Suppose Schafer was to coach for another seven years here, during which time he would win 2 NC's, with the second one being only the second time in NC$$ history that a Division I ice hockey team would go undefeated & untied. After that, he would spend a season as a NHL coach, during which time the pro players would reject him because of his "rah rah" college style.* Then, he would serve three years as the GM of the pro team, after which he would return to coaching college hockey at another ECAC school (not Harvard). There, before he retired, he would win his third NC.
Would you reject this scenario or welcome it?
*I haven't read "They Did Everything But Win," so I don't know if there's more criticism of Harkness. But here's how Wikipedia describes that brief cup of coffee as a NHL coach: "A veteran and aging Detroit roster had resisted adapting to Harkness's more progressive methods.[5] Things that are commonplace and obvious today, such as no cigar smoking in the locker room between periods and shorter ice shifts caused a mutiny by the veteran players.[5]"
The reference is to: Allen, Kevin; Duff, Bob (Oct 15, 2014). 100 Things Red Wings Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die. Triumph Books. ISBN 9781623689827
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: April 06, 2024 03:24PM
Trotsky
BearLover
I just got scooped…by scoop! Seriously, I was in the middle of typing out a very similar post. I agree with much of what you said. I’m not sure how it would work regarding the goalie situation—will the Cornell coaches hold one of them back in juniors? Frankly, whoever comes next year will just be waiting behind Shane anyway, so I don’t think it makes much sense from either Cornell’s or Katz’s/Roest’s perspective for them to both matriculate next year.
Schafer goes with a clear #1 in net during the season, but he has also shown flexibility to challenge him and replace him if necessary:
1997: Experimented through the season with Pelletier, settled on Elliott
2000: Burt beat out Underhill who then re-beat out Burt in arguably the only season-long fight
2002: Infamously started with Underhill before figuring out Leneveu was a deity
2007: Started with Davenport, changed to Scrivens
2011: Ran a straight-up Iles-Garman rotation all year
2022: started with McDonald-Howe, changed to Shane.
Is that really true about 2002? And not sure if by 2002 you mean 2001-02 or 2002-03 ... the former, Leneveu got more PT as the season went on, but Underhill started the 2002 ECAC final (and allowed a not great GWG) and the NCAAs. In 2002-03 - Underhill was gone.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Chris '03 (104.28.39.---)
Date: April 06, 2024 04:50PM
adamw
Trotsky
BearLover
I just got scooped…by scoop! Seriously, I was in the middle of typing out a very similar post. I agree with much of what you said. I’m not sure how it would work regarding the goalie situation—will the Cornell coaches hold one of them back in juniors? Frankly, whoever comes next year will just be waiting behind Shane anyway, so I don’t think it makes much sense from either Cornell’s or Katz’s/Roest’s perspective for them to both matriculate next year.
Schafer goes with a clear #1 in net during the season, but he has also shown flexibility to challenge him and replace him if necessary:
1997: Experimented through the season with Pelletier, settled on Elliott
2000: Burt beat out Underhill who then re-beat out Burt in arguably the only season-long fight
2002: Infamously started with Underhill before figuring out Leneveu was a deity
2007: Started with Davenport, changed to Scrivens
2011: Ran a straight-up Iles-Garman rotation all year
2022: started with McDonald-Howe, changed to Shane.
Is that really true about 2002? And not sure if by 2002 you mean 2001-02 or 2002-03 ... the former, Leneveu got more PT as the season went on, but Underhill started the 2002 ECAC final (and allowed a not great GWG) and the NCAAs. In 2002-03 - Underhill was gone.
I recall 2002 being platoon almost all year with the exception of a couple weeks underhill was hurt?
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: April 06, 2024 08:11PM
Chris '03
adamw
Trotsky
BearLover
I just got scooped…by scoop! Seriously, I was in the middle of typing out a very similar post. I agree with much of what you said. I’m not sure how it would work regarding the goalie situation—will the Cornell coaches hold one of them back in juniors? Frankly, whoever comes next year will just be waiting behind Shane anyway, so I don’t think it makes much sense from either Cornell’s or Katz’s/Roest’s perspective for them to both matriculate next year.
Schafer goes with a clear #1 in net during the season, but he has also shown flexibility to challenge him and replace him if necessary:
1997: Experimented through the season with Pelletier, settled on Elliott
2000: Burt beat out Underhill who then re-beat out Burt in arguably the only season-long fight
2002: Infamously started with Underhill before figuring out Leneveu was a deity
2007: Started with Davenport, changed to Scrivens
2011: Ran a straight-up Iles-Garman rotation all year
2022: started with McDonald-Howe, changed to Shane.
Is that really true about 2002? And not sure if by 2002 you mean 2001-02 or 2002-03 ... the former, Leneveu got more PT as the season went on, but Underhill started the 2002 ECAC final (and allowed a not great GWG) and the NCAAs. In 2002-03 - Underhill was gone.
I recall 2002 being platoon almost all year with the exception of a couple weeks underhill was hurt?
Underhill played 21 games, Leneveu 14
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Give My Regards (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 07, 2024 05:04PM
Chris '03
adamw
Trotsky
BearLover
I just got scooped…by scoop! Seriously, I was in the middle of typing out a very similar post. I agree with much of what you said. I’m not sure how it would work regarding the goalie situation—will the Cornell coaches hold one of them back in juniors? Frankly, whoever comes next year will just be waiting behind Shane anyway, so I don’t think it makes much sense from either Cornell’s or Katz’s/Roest’s perspective for them to both matriculate next year.
Schafer goes with a clear #1 in net during the season, but he has also shown flexibility to challenge him and replace him if necessary:
1997: Experimented through the season with Pelletier, settled on Elliott
2000: Burt beat out Underhill who then re-beat out Burt in arguably the only season-long fight
2002: Infamously started with Underhill before figuring out Leneveu was a deity
2007: Started with Davenport, changed to Scrivens
2011: Ran a straight-up Iles-Garman rotation all year
2022: started with McDonald-Howe, changed to Shane.
Is that really true about 2002? And not sure if by 2002 you mean 2001-02 or 2002-03 ... the former, Leneveu got more PT as the season went on, but Underhill started the 2002 ECAC final (and allowed a not great GWG) and the NCAAs. In 2002-03 - Underhill was gone.
I recall 2002 being platoon almost all year with the exception of a couple weeks underhill was hurt?
I recall the same, at least for the regular season; Underhill got all the postseason starts. I also don't think the coaches had any trouble figuring out what they had with Leneveu, as he wound up splitting time with Underhill despite Underhill's 2000-01 season in which he became the first Big Red goaltender to post a sub-2.00 GAA since Cropper in 1970.
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 07, 2024 09:04PM
Give My Regards
I recall the same, at least for the regular season; Underhill got all the postseason starts. I also don't think the coaches had any trouble figuring out what they had with Leneveu, as he wound up splitting time with Underhill despite Underhill's 2000-01 season in which he became the first Big Red goaltender to post a sub-2.00 GAA since Cropper in 1970.
Underhill starts (game number):
2
3
4
5
At this point, Underhill has played 4 straight games, including Lynah East, which he loses 3-4 in overtime.
7
9
11
12
14
16
18
20
22
24
27
11 starts in 22 games during the middle of the season, a pure rotation
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
Final 7 games are all Underhill, including the full post-season. Note that Underhill breaks the rotation with games of GA 1, 1, 2, 0.
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Pghas (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 09, 2024 08:26AM
My understanding is that Wishart is headed to play at Middlebury.
Such a difficult thing to predict who will develop and how. Guys who lit it up in juniors sometimes get to college and are a little fried and maybe don't push as much as they once did. Or maybe they hit a ceiling while other kids really do not. I have a son who is a good player and what they tell you is that as you move up you have to improve and dominate at every level that you reach. That's hard to do! I think its safe to say that the USHL is largely D1 commits and that provides the highest level of competition for players to develop so that's probably the best place to play if you're a D1 commit. So expect a kid like Charlie Major to come in and contribute immediately a la Ryan Walsh. Sean Donaldson dominated the BCHL which is different. Jacob Kraft didnt dominate but put up great numbers for Cedar Rapids in the USHL. DeGiulian was drafted by the Lincoln Stars and my understanding is he will play juniors for a least a year.
As my son's coach put it this year, you're not playing college hockey until you're on the ice playing college hockey!
Such a difficult thing to predict who will develop and how. Guys who lit it up in juniors sometimes get to college and are a little fried and maybe don't push as much as they once did. Or maybe they hit a ceiling while other kids really do not. I have a son who is a good player and what they tell you is that as you move up you have to improve and dominate at every level that you reach. That's hard to do! I think its safe to say that the USHL is largely D1 commits and that provides the highest level of competition for players to develop so that's probably the best place to play if you're a D1 commit. So expect a kid like Charlie Major to come in and contribute immediately a la Ryan Walsh. Sean Donaldson dominated the BCHL which is different. Jacob Kraft didnt dominate but put up great numbers for Cedar Rapids in the USHL. DeGiulian was drafted by the Lincoln Stars and my understanding is he will play juniors for a least a year.
As my son's coach put it this year, you're not playing college hockey until you're on the ice playing college hockey!
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 09, 2024 09:44AM
Well said. I am not involved with junior hockey, but from following recruiting, college success is certainly difficult to predict. We’ve even seen players be drafted by NHL teams and struggle to make Cornell’s lineup (eg. Cairns, Tschantz, Song) or barely produce. I agree with you that putting up a lot of points in the USHL is the surest sign of college success. But still far from guaranteed. Dwyer Tschantz put up really good numbers in the USHL, for example. In his case I think he suffered some injuries, but I’m pretty sure he was a healthy scratch a lot too.Pghas
My understanding is that Wishart is headed to play at Middlebury.
Such a difficult thing to predict who will develop and how. Guys who lit it up in juniors sometimes get to college and are a little fried and maybe don't push as much as they once did. Or maybe they hit a ceiling while other kids really do not. I have a son who is a good player and what they tell you is that as you move up you have to improve and dominate at every level that you reach. That's hard to do! I think its safe to say that the USHL is largely D1 commits and that provides the highest level of competition for players to develop so that's probably the best place to play if you're a D1 commit. So expect a kid like Charlie Major to come in and contribute immediately a la Ryan Walsh. Sean Donaldson dominated the BCHL which is different. Jacob Kraft didnt dominate but put up great numbers for Cedar Rapids in the USHL. DeGiulian was drafted by the Lincoln Stars and my understanding is he will play juniors for a least a year.
As my son's coach put it this year, you're not playing college hockey until you're on the ice playing college hockey!
The Donaldson situation seems particularly aberrational. Seventh in the BCHL in points/4th in goals, but can’t crack the lineup as a sophomore. Did he plateau once he got to college? Is he unreliable on defense? Does Cornell have a glut of left shot forwards? Looking purely at the junior hockey numbers of the forwards in last year’s freshman class, it would have been impossible to tell that Bancroft (insane numbers in the OJHL, which is weaker than the BCHL) would be the best performer, then DeSantis (very good numbers in the USHL), then Wallace (good numbers in the USHL), then Donaldson (fantastic numbers in the BCHL). Obviously, hockey (and especially Cornell Hockey) is way more than just offensive numbers—maybe that’s the point.
One thing notable about all of this is that Donaldson and Keopple and the other guys not seeing the ice haven’t entered the transfer portal. At other programs, players like them would have bolted the minute the season ended (or sooner). It says a lot about how Schafer runs the team that these guys are sticking with it.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: marty (161.11.160.---)
Date: April 09, 2024 09:57AM
BearLover
Well said. I am not involved with junior hockey, but from following recruiting, college success is certainly difficult to predict. We’ve even seen players be drafted by NHL teams and struggle to make Cornell’s lineup (eg. Cairns, Tschantz, Song) or barely produce. I agree with you that putting up a lot of points in the USHL is the surest sign of college success. But still far from guaranteed. Dwyer Tschantz put up really good numbers in the USHL, for example. In his case I think he suffered some injuries, but I’m pretty sure he was a healthy scratch a lot too.Pghas
My understanding is that Wishart is headed to play at Middlebury.
Such a difficult thing to predict who will develop and how. Guys who lit it up in juniors sometimes get to college and are a little fried and maybe don't push as much as they once did. Or maybe they hit a ceiling while other kids really do not. I have a son who is a good player and what they tell you is that as you move up you have to improve and dominate at every level that you reach. That's hard to do! I think its safe to say that the USHL is largely D1 commits and that provides the highest level of competition for players to develop so that's probably the best place to play if you're a D1 commit. So expect a kid like Charlie Major to come in and contribute immediately a la Ryan Walsh. Sean Donaldson dominated the BCHL which is different. Jacob Kraft didnt dominate but put up great numbers for Cedar Rapids in the USHL. DeGiulian was drafted by the Lincoln Stars and my understanding is he will play juniors for a least a year.
As my son's coach put it this year, you're not playing college hockey until you're on the ice playing college hockey!
The Donaldson situation seems particularly aberrational. Seventh in the BCHL in points/4th in goals, but can’t crack the lineup as a sophomore. Did he plateau once he got to college? Is he unreliable on defense? Does Cornell have a glut of left shot forwards? Looking purely at the junior hockey numbers of the forwards in last year’s freshman class, it would have been impossible to tell that Bancroft (insane numbers in the OJHL, which is weaker than the BCHL) would be the best performer, then DeSantis (very good numbers in the USHL), then Wallace (good numbers in the USHL), then Donaldson (fantastic numbers in the BCHL). Obviously, hockey (and especially Cornell Hockey) is way more than just offensive numbers—maybe that’s the point.
One thing notable about all of this is that Donaldson and Keopple and the other guys not seeing the ice haven’t entered the transfer portal. At other programs, players like them would have bolted the minute the season ended (or sooner). It says a lot about how Schafer runs the team that these guys are sticking with it.
It says a lot about the players too. Think of a second string wrestler who is essentially the practice partner for a first stringer. John Irving, the author, talks about not being able to complete 4 years at Pitt (I think it was Pitt) as a practice partner. And he thinks those that can do that have character that many do not.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: arugula (---.sub-174-216-208.myvzw.com)
Date: April 09, 2024 10:35AM
marty
BearLover
Well said. I am not involved with junior hockey, but from following recruiting, college success is certainly difficult to predict. We’ve even seen players be drafted by NHL teams and struggle to make Cornell’s lineup (eg. Cairns, Tschantz, Song) or barely produce. I agree with you that putting up a lot of points in the USHL is the surest sign of college success. But still far from guaranteed. Dwyer Tschantz put up really good numbers in the USHL, for example. In his case I think he suffered some injuries, but I’m pretty sure he was a healthy scratch a lot too.Pghas
My understanding is that Wishart is headed to play at Middlebury.
Such a difficult thing to predict who will develop and how. Guys who lit it up in juniors sometimes get to college and are a little fried and maybe don't push as much as they once did. Or maybe they hit a ceiling while other kids really do not. I have a son who is a good player and what they tell you is that as you move up you have to improve and dominate at every level that you reach. That's hard to do! I think its safe to say that the USHL is largely D1 commits and that provides the highest level of competition for players to develop so that's probably the best place to play if you're a D1 commit. So expect a kid like Charlie Major to come in and contribute immediately a la Ryan Walsh. Sean Donaldson dominated the BCHL which is different. Jacob Kraft didnt dominate but put up great numbers for Cedar Rapids in the USHL. DeGiulian was drafted by the Lincoln Stars and my understanding is he will play juniors for a least a year.
As my son's coach put it this year, you're not playing college hockey until you're on the ice playing college hockey!
The Donaldson situation seems particularly aberrational. Seventh in the BCHL in points/4th in goals, but can’t crack the lineup as a sophomore. Did he plateau once he got to college? Is he unreliable on defense? Does Cornell have a glut of left shot forwards? Looking purely at the junior hockey numbers of the forwards in last year’s freshman class, it would have been impossible to tell that Bancroft (insane numbers in the OJHL, which is weaker than the BCHL) would be the best performer, then DeSantis (very good numbers in the USHL), then Wallace (good numbers in the USHL), then Donaldson (fantastic numbers in the BCHL). Obviously, hockey (and especially Cornell Hockey) is way more than just offensive numbers—maybe that’s the point.
One thing notable about all of this is that Donaldson and Keopple and the other guys not seeing the ice haven’t entered the transfer portal. At other programs, players like them would have bolted the minute the season ended (or sooner). It says a lot about how Schafer runs the team that these guys are sticking with it.
It says a lot about the players too. Think of a second string wrestler who is essentially the practice partner for a first stringer. John Irving, the author, talks about not being able to complete 4 years at Pitt (I think it was Pitt) as a practice partner. And he thinks those that can do that have character that many do not.
Is it naive of me to say that maybe these kids also value their education and don’t expect to play in the NHL and recognize that a Cornell degree has a lifetime value that maybe other degrees do not.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Pghas (---.static.optonline.net)
Date: April 09, 2024 11:08AM
marty
BearLover
Well said. I am not involved with junior hockey, but from following recruiting, college success is certainly difficult to predict. We’ve even seen players be drafted by NHL teams and struggle to make Cornell’s lineup (eg. Cairns, Tschantz, Song) or barely produce. I agree with you that putting up a lot of points in the USHL is the surest sign of college success. But still far from guaranteed. Dwyer Tschantz put up really good numbers in the USHL, for example. In his case I think he suffered some injuries, but I’m pretty sure he was a healthy scratch a lot too.Pghas
My understanding is that Wishart is headed to play at Middlebury.
Such a difficult thing to predict who will develop and how. Guys who lit it up in juniors sometimes get to college and are a little fried and maybe don't push as much as they once did. Or maybe they hit a ceiling while other kids really do not. I have a son who is a good player and what they tell you is that as you move up you have to improve and dominate at every level that you reach. That's hard to do! I think its safe to say that the USHL is largely D1 commits and that provides the highest level of competition for players to develop so that's probably the best place to play if you're a D1 commit. So expect a kid like Charlie Major to come in and contribute immediately a la Ryan Walsh. Sean Donaldson dominated the BCHL which is different. Jacob Kraft didnt dominate but put up great numbers for Cedar Rapids in the USHL. DeGiulian was drafted by the Lincoln Stars and my understanding is he will play juniors for a least a year.
As my son's coach put it this year, you're not playing college hockey until you're on the ice playing college hockey!
The Donaldson situation seems particularly aberrational. Seventh in the BCHL in points/4th in goals, but can’t crack the lineup as a sophomore. Did he plateau once he got to college? Is he unreliable on defense? Does Cornell have a glut of left shot forwards? Looking purely at the junior hockey numbers of the forwards in last year’s freshman class, it would have been impossible to tell that Bancroft (insane numbers in the OJHL, which is weaker than the BCHL) would be the best performer, then DeSantis (very good numbers in the USHL), then Wallace (good numbers in the USHL), then Donaldson (fantastic numbers in the BCHL). Obviously, hockey (and especially Cornell Hockey) is way more than just offensive numbers—maybe that’s the point.
One thing notable about all of this is that Donaldson and Keopple and the other guys not seeing the ice haven’t entered the transfer portal. At other programs, players like them would have bolted the minute the season ended (or sooner). It says a lot about how Schafer runs the team that these guys are sticking with it.
It says a lot about the players too. Think of a second string wrestler who is essentially the practice partner for a first stringer. John Irving, the author, talks about not being able to complete 4 years at Pitt (I think it was Pitt) as a practice partner. And he thinks those that can do that have character that many do not.
I think there is a sense of accomplishment for a player at just getting to a certain level. If you have put in the work and effort to make it to playing in prep school, or in college, or at Cornell, how much more is there? That's not to say these kids dont want to play or care, but to many of them, academics may be the more important part of this picture (and should be). They aren't going to the NHL, they play varsity hockey at Cornell, and maybe they dont get into as many games as they'd like. Just being part of that team, at that level, where you all consider every guy just as important as the next, and going to a great school - who can blame a kid for not wanting to transfer to Union or Clarkson or even Yale or Brown? At some point it is not just the single-minded purposeness of climbing the hockey ladder, its also about your life experience and path.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/09/2024 12:33PM by Pghas.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 10, 2024 10:17AM
I agree with all this stuff. Kudos to the coaching staff for recruiting this type of player, emphasizing the degree, and getting the players to buy in. The players themselves I’m certain are making a smart and rational decision about their future by sticking with Cornell even given a lack of ice time. But the vast majority of college hockey players would not make the same choice.Pghas
marty
BearLover
Well said. I am not involved with junior hockey, but from following recruiting, college success is certainly difficult to predict. We’ve even seen players be drafted by NHL teams and struggle to make Cornell’s lineup (eg. Cairns, Tschantz, Song) or barely produce. I agree with you that putting up a lot of points in the USHL is the surest sign of college success. But still far from guaranteed. Dwyer Tschantz put up really good numbers in the USHL, for example. In his case I think he suffered some injuries, but I’m pretty sure he was a healthy scratch a lot too.Pghas
My understanding is that Wishart is headed to play at Middlebury.
Such a difficult thing to predict who will develop and how. Guys who lit it up in juniors sometimes get to college and are a little fried and maybe don't push as much as they once did. Or maybe they hit a ceiling while other kids really do not. I have a son who is a good player and what they tell you is that as you move up you have to improve and dominate at every level that you reach. That's hard to do! I think its safe to say that the USHL is largely D1 commits and that provides the highest level of competition for players to develop so that's probably the best place to play if you're a D1 commit. So expect a kid like Charlie Major to come in and contribute immediately a la Ryan Walsh. Sean Donaldson dominated the BCHL which is different. Jacob Kraft didnt dominate but put up great numbers for Cedar Rapids in the USHL. DeGiulian was drafted by the Lincoln Stars and my understanding is he will play juniors for a least a year.
As my son's coach put it this year, you're not playing college hockey until you're on the ice playing college hockey!
The Donaldson situation seems particularly aberrational. Seventh in the BCHL in points/4th in goals, but can’t crack the lineup as a sophomore. Did he plateau once he got to college? Is he unreliable on defense? Does Cornell have a glut of left shot forwards? Looking purely at the junior hockey numbers of the forwards in last year’s freshman class, it would have been impossible to tell that Bancroft (insane numbers in the OJHL, which is weaker than the BCHL) would be the best performer, then DeSantis (very good numbers in the USHL), then Wallace (good numbers in the USHL), then Donaldson (fantastic numbers in the BCHL). Obviously, hockey (and especially Cornell Hockey) is way more than just offensive numbers—maybe that’s the point.
One thing notable about all of this is that Donaldson and Keopple and the other guys not seeing the ice haven’t entered the transfer portal. At other programs, players like them would have bolted the minute the season ended (or sooner). It says a lot about how Schafer runs the team that these guys are sticking with it.
It says a lot about the players too. Think of a second string wrestler who is essentially the practice partner for a first stringer. John Irving, the author, talks about not being able to complete 4 years at Pitt (I think it was Pitt) as a practice partner. And he thinks those that can do that have character that many do not.
I think there is a sense of accomplishment for a player at just getting to a certain level. If you have put in the work and effort to make it to playing in prep school, or in college, or at Cornell, how much more is there? That's not to say these kids dont want to play or care, but to many of them, academics may be the more important part of this picture (and should be). They aren't going to the NHL, they play varsity hockey at Cornell, and maybe they dont get into as many games as they'd like. Just being part of that team, at that level, where you all consider every guy just as important as the next, and going to a great school - who can blame a kid for not wanting to transfer to Union or Clarkson or even Yale or Brown? At some point it is not just the single-minded purposeness of climbing the hockey ladder, it’s also about your life experience and path.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Robb (107.72.176.---)
Date: April 10, 2024 12:39PM
marty
BearLover
Well said. I am not involved with junior hockey, but from following recruiting, college success is certainly difficult to predict. We’ve even seen players be drafted by NHL teams and struggle to make Cornell’s lineup (eg. Cairns, Tschantz, Song) or barely produce. I agree with you that putting up a lot of points in the USHL is the surest sign of college success. But still far from guaranteed. Dwyer Tschantz put up really good numbers in the USHL, for example. In his case I think he suffered some injuries, but I’m pretty sure he was a healthy scratch a lot too.Pghas
My understanding is that Wishart is headed to play at Middlebury.
Such a difficult thing to predict who will develop and how. Guys who lit it up in juniors sometimes get to college and are a little fried and maybe don't push as much as they once did. Or maybe they hit a ceiling while other kids really do not. I have a son who is a good player and what they tell you is that as you move up you have to improve and dominate at every level that you reach. That's hard to do! I think its safe to say that the USHL is largely D1 commits and that provides the highest level of competition for players to develop so that's probably the best place to play if you're a D1 commit. So expect a kid like Charlie Major to come in and contribute immediately a la Ryan Walsh. Sean Donaldson dominated the BCHL which is different. Jacob Kraft didnt dominate but put up great numbers for Cedar Rapids in the USHL. DeGiulian was drafted by the Lincoln Stars and my understanding is he will play juniors for a least a year.
As my son's coach put it this year, you're not playing college hockey until you're on the ice playing college hockey!
The Donaldson situation seems particularly aberrational. Seventh in the BCHL in points/4th in goals, but can’t crack the lineup as a sophomore. Did he plateau once he got to college? Is he unreliable on defense? Does Cornell have a glut of left shot forwards? Looking purely at the junior hockey numbers of the forwards in last year’s freshman class, it would have been impossible to tell that Bancroft (insane numbers in the OJHL, which is weaker than the BCHL) would be the best performer, then DeSantis (very good numbers in the USHL), then Wallace (good numbers in the USHL), then Donaldson (fantastic numbers in the BCHL). Obviously, hockey (and especially Cornell Hockey) is way more than just offensive numbers—maybe that’s the point.
One thing notable about all of this is that Donaldson and Keopple and the other guys not seeing the ice haven’t entered the transfer portal. At other programs, players like them would have bolted the minute the season ended (or sooner). It says a lot about how Schafer runs the team that these guys are sticking with it.
It says a lot about the players too. Think of a second string wrestler who is essentially the practice partner for a first stringer. John Irving, the author, talks about not being able to complete 4 years at Pitt (I think it was Pitt) as a practice partner. And he thinks those that can do that have character that many do not.
“it takes more skill than I can tell
To play the second fiddle well”
-Charles Spurgeon
I don’t know about skill, but certainly your devotion, focus, and persistence have to be off the charts.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Swampy (---.datapacket.com)
Date: April 10, 2024 03:16PM
I also think there's a great sense of accomplishment working one's way off the bench and onto the ice. I'd like to think everyone that Schafer recruits has this ethos that the journey is the destination.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 10, 2024 03:25PM
i also think there's some self-awareness that if you can't earn your way into the starting lineup in college you may not be the next jonathan quick and you adjust your expectations.Swampy
I also think there's a great sense of accomplishment working one's way off the bench and onto the ice. I'd like to think everyone that Schafer recruits has this ethos that the journey is the destination.
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: CAS (104.28.55.---)
Date: April 11, 2024 10:20AM
Chase Pirtle is one of the 3 finalists for BCHL rookie of the year.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Robb (---.lightspeed.drbhfl.sbcglobal.net)
Date: April 11, 2024 10:25PM
It takes more skill than I can tellmarty
It says a lot about the players too. Think of a second string wrestler who is essentially the practice partner for a first stringer. John Irving, the author, talks about not being able to complete 4 years at Pitt (I think it was Pitt) as a practice partner. And he thinks those that can do that have character that many do not.
to play the second fiddle well.
-Charles Spurgeon
I'm not so sure about skill, but certainly your dedication and self-motivation have to be off the charts.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 17, 2024 12:37PM
The NHL’s Central Scouting Service’s final ranking was released yesterday. Gio Diguilian came in as the 124th ranked North American skater, up from 153 in the mid-term ranking. Unless I missed anyone he looks like the only Cornell recruit or player in the rankings.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: arugula (38.109.75.---)
Date: April 18, 2024 10:59AM
Hard to believe there are 225 better players of his age than Robertson
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: randyranger (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 18, 2024 05:44PM
Robertson will be 20 this September. To be eligible for the ‘24 draft you have to be under 20 on 12/31/24
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: arugula (38.109.75.---)
Date: April 18, 2024 06:34PM
Ah, ok. Folks have been talking about him as if he still had a draft year.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: Trotsky (185.169.0.---)
Date: April 18, 2024 08:43PM
I think he is typically mentioned as a blue chip free agent.arugula
Ah, ok. Folks have been talking about him as if he still had a draft year.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 18, 2024 08:51PM
The conversation here has largely sprung from an unknown past comment that he had another year of draft eligibility. I, for one, had been assuming that he was draft eligible based on that comment, subsequent conversation and my own customary lack of interest in researching something that I was satisfied someone else had gotten right.Trotsky
I think he is typically mentioned as a blue chip free agent.arugula
Ah, ok. Folks have been talking about him as if he still had a draft year.
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Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 18, 2024 08:53PM
Says hererandyranger
Robertson will be 20 this September. To be eligible for the ‘24 draft you have to be under 20 on 12/31/24
[en.m.wikipedia.org].
“Ice hockey players born between January 1, 2004, and September 15, 2006, are eligible for selection in the 2024 NHL Entry Draft.”
Robertson was born September 18, 2004, so would be eligible. The 2023 draft is the only draft he has been eligible for so far (until this year’s).
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: arugula (---.sub-174-216-144.myvzw.com)
Date: April 18, 2024 11:12PM
So I return to my prior comment: hard to believe there are 250 skaters better than Robertson.
Re: Recruits 2024 and Beyond
Posted by: CAS (---.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com)
Date: May 05, 2024 04:33PM
Recruit Chase Pirtle was named BCHL rookie of the year.
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