NHL Draft

So I was more than surprised to flip my TV to espn2 just as they were talking about....Dartmouth hockey? Jessiman just went #12 overall by a team that's talked about way too much on this board.

Ithaca native Dustin Brown followed him at #13 by the Kings. The commentators talked about him being part of a "new trend" of US born players going to the Canadian Juniors, and then said "Native of Ithaca? How did Cornell University not get him??"

Vanek went #5 to the Sabres.

Now I have one more reason to hate Jessiman.

JH

I checked my watch, and it appears that it is time for Jessiman to start sucking.

#1 overall was Marc-Andre Fleury, the guy who started ahead of Lenny on the Canadian WJC team.

NCAA 1st-round picks:
Thomas Vanek (Minnesota '06), 5th overall, Buffalo Sabres
Ryan Suter (Wisconsin '07), 7th overall, Nashville Predators
Hugh Jessiman (Dartmouth '06), 12th overall, New York Rangers
Zach Parise (North Dakota '06), 17th overall, New Jersey Devils
Mark Stuart (Colorado College '06), 21st overall, Boston Bruins
Ryan Kesler (Ohio State '06), 23rd overall, Vancouver Canucks
Brian Boyle (Boston College '07), 26th overall, Los Angeles Kings
Jeff Tambellini (Michigan '06), 27th overall, Los Angeles Kings
Patrick Eaves (Boston College '06), 29th overall, Ottawa Senators

NCAA 2nd-round picks:
Danny Richmond (Michigan '06), 31st overall, Carolina Hurricanes
Matt Smaby (North Dakota '07), 41st overall, Tampa Bay Lightning
Matthew Carle (Denver '07), 47th overall, San Jose Sharks
Colin McDonald (Providence '07), 51st overall, Edmonton Oilers
John Doherty (New Hampshire '07), 57th overall, Toronto Maple Leafs
David Backes (Minnesota State-Mankato '07), 62nd overall, Tampa Bay Lightning
James Howard (Maine '06), 64th overall, Detroit Red Wings



Post Edited (06-21-03 23:02)

Shane Hynes to Anaheim with the 86th pick.

JH

Also O'Byrne to Montreal, 79th.

Third Round:

75   New York Rangers,        Ken Roche, C (I)          Boston University (HEA)

78   Minnesota Wild,          Danny Irmen, C (I)        Minnesota (WCHA)

79   Montreal Canadiens,      Ryan O'Byrne, D (I)       Cornell (ECAC)

83   Washington Capitals,     Stephen Werner, RW        Massachusetts (HEA)

86   Anaheim Mighty Ducks,    Shane Hynes, RW           Cornell (ECAC)

87   Philadelphia Flyers,     Ryan Potulny, C (I)       Minnesota (WCHA)




 

While it would've been awesome to have Dustin Brown play for Cornell, I think a lot of people forget that the moment he agreed to play Canadian Juniors -- i.e. three years ago, when he was 15 -- he lost the eligibility to play for any college team. It's not like there was some huge recruiting coup and Cornell lost him to another NCAA team; instead, he made an active decision to do what would help him develop his skills to the fullest extent possible. As much as I would have loved to see him in a Cornell jersey, I think it's hard to argue against his decision given the results of the draft.

Late 3rd-round NCAA picks:
Juha Allen (Northern Michigan '06), 90th overall, Anaheim Mighty Ducks
Matt Nickerson (Michigan '07), 99th overall, Dallas Stars

I'm just thinking....Murray (and Mark McRae, wasn't he?) was an 8th round pick, and O'Byrne is a 3rd round pick. If O'Byrne ends up better than Murray and McRae by the end of college....we've got a damn good defensemen on our hands.

What does (I) mean?

(I) means "incoming", as in "incoming NCAA player".

Unless he pulls a Niewendyk and opts out early.

The Bruins picked Byron Bitz in the fourth round, and the Avalanche picked Mark McCutcheon in the fifth.

NCAA picks in the 4th through 9th rounds (from USCHO):

Round Four
Pick  NHL Team               Name, Pos                  School (Conference)
103   Columbus Blue Jackets  Kevin Jarman, LW (I)       Massachusetts (HEA)
107   Boston Bruins          Byron Bitz, RW (I)         Cornell (ECAC)
122   New York Rangers       Corey Potter, D            Michigan State (CCHA)
124   Florida Panthers       James Pemberton, D         Providence (HEA)
128   Vancouver Canucks      Ty Morris, LW (I)          Denver (WCHA)
136   Atlanta Thrashers      Michael Vannelli, D (I)    Minnesota (WCHA)

Round Five
Pick  NHL Team               Name, Pos                  School (Conference)
137   Carolina Hurricanes    Tyson Strachan, D (I)      Ohio State (CCHA)
141   Florida Panthers       Dan Travis, RW (I)         New Hampshire (HEA)
142   Ottawa Senators        Tim Cook, D (I)            Michigan (CCHA)
143   Calgary Flames         Greg Moore, RW             Maine (HEA)
145   Atlanta Thrashers      Brett Sterling, LW         Colorado College (WCHA)
146   Colorado Avalanche     Mark McCutcheon, C (I)     Cornell (ECAC)
148   St. Louis Blues        Lee Stempniak, RW          Dartmouth (ECAC)
150   Buffalo Sabres         Thomas Morrow, D (I)       Boston University (HEA)
152   Los Angeles Kings      Brady Murray, C (I)        North Dakota (WCHA)
154   Edmonton Oilers        David Rohlfs, RW (I)       Michigan (CCHA)
155   Washington Capitals    Josh Robertson, C (I)      Northeastern-'04 (HEA)
165   Dallas Stars           Gino Guyer, C              Minnesota (WCHA)
167   New Jersey Devils      Zach Tarkir, D (I)         Northern Michigan (CCHA)

Round Six
Pick  NHL Team               Name, Pos                  School (Conference)
175   Atlanta Thrashers      Mike Hamilton, F (I)       Maine (HEA)
180   New York Rangers       Chris Holt, G (I)          Nebraska-Omaha (CCHA)
186   Anaheim Mighty Ducks   Andrew Miller, LW (I)      Michigan St. (CCHA)
189   St. Louis Blues        Jonathan Lehun, C (*)      St. Cloud State (WCHA)
190   Vancouver Canucks      Chad Brownlee, D (I)       Minnesota St. (WCHA)
195   Dallas Stars           Drew Bagnall, D (I)        St. Lawrence (ECAC)
197   New Jersey Devils      Jason Smith, G (I)         Sacred Heart (MAAC)

Round Seven
Pick  NHL Team               Name, Pos                  School (Conference)
205   San Jose Sharks        Joe Pavelski, C (I)        Wisconsin-'04 (WCHA)
209   New York Rangers       Dylan Reese, D (I)         Harvard (ECAC)
211   Chicago Blackhawks     Mike Brodeur, G (I)        Wisconsin (WCHA)
218   Anaheim Mighty Ducks   Dirk Southern, C           Northern Michigan (CCHA)
225   Colorado Avalanche     Brett Hemingway, W (I)     New Hampshire (HEA)
227   Tampa Bay Lightning    Jay Rosehill, D (I)        uncommitted

Round Eight
Pick  NHL Team               Name, Pos                  School (Conference)
230   Carolina Hurricanes    Jamie Hoffman, C (I)       Colorado College (WCHA)
231   Los Angeles Kings      Matt Zaba, G (I)           Colorado College (WCHA)
232   Pittsburgh Penguins    Joe Jensen, C              St. Cloud State (WCHA)
238   New York Islanders     Cody Blanshan, D           Nebraska-Omaha (CCHA)
244   Los Angeles Kings      Mike Sullivan, C (I)       Clarkson (ECAC)
249   Washington Capitals    Andrew Joudrey, C (I)      Wisconsin (WCHA)
256   Tampa Bay Lightning    Brady Greco, D (I)         Colorado College (WCHA)

Round Nine
Pick  NHL Team               Name, Pos                  School (Conference)
263   Pittsburgh Penguins    Matt Moulson, LW           Cornell (ECAC)
265   Florida Panthers       Tanner Glass, F (I)        Dartmouth (ECAC)
267   San Jose Sharks        Brian O'Hanley, D (I)      Boston College-'04 (HEA)
269   Atlanta Thrashers      Rylan Kaip, C (I)          uncommitted
270   Calgary Flames         Kevin Harvey, LW (I)       uncommitted
272   Phoenix Coyotes        Sean Sullivan, D (I)       Boston University (HEA)
274   Los Angeles Kings      Martin Guerin, RW (I)      Miami (CCHA)
275   Chicago Blackhawks     Michael Grenzy, D (I)      Clarkson (ECAC)
276   New York Islanders     Carter Lee, F (I)          uncommitted
277   Boston Bruins          Kevin Regan, G (I)         New Hampshire-'04 (HEA)
282   Toronto Maple Leafs    Chris Porter, C (I)        North Dakota (WCHA)
288   Colorado Avalanche     David Jones, RW (I)        Dartmouth (ECAC)
291   Ottawa Senators        Brian Elliott, G (I)       uncommitted

Post Edited (06-23-03 00:35)

Wow...we've got an amazing incoming class, it seems. Have we ever had 3 incoming players drafted in round 5 or higher? (4 total) Most of our incoming guys end up getting drafted in the later rounds. (at least, in recent memory)

Matt Moulson goes to Pittsburgh in the 9th round.

As a quick visit to [www.spiritone.com] will show, we have never had 3 incoming players drafted before - in any rounds! The five draft picks this year are the 3rd most in any draft year, behind the amazing years of 89 and 90, when 6 players were drafted each year.

In 1990, three of the guys were in the supplemental draft. Of the nine from that era in the regular draft, the average draft position was 91; for the five this year, the average was 136. The 90-91 team had 13 draft picks (10 "numbered," including Corrie D'Alessio from '88, average = 93); next year, we'll have only 7 - this year's 5 plus Glover and Lenny, combined average = 140.

What does all that mean? Absolutely nothing. We've got the same players showing up this fall that we did on Friday. Work hard this summer, boys - the rewards will come in March.

double post -- sorry



Post Edited (06-22-03 18:16)

A thread on the BCHL board about Ryan O'Byrne being drafted. (Be aware that this board has a lot of pop-up ads.) [www.network54.com]

One guy on that thread rips O'Byrne for being soft. I think Schafer will help him toughen up!

I know Cornell has a history with recruiting western Canadian players...does anyone know if there are any particular connections/reasons why the Rangers have been going after (seemingly) a lot of Ivy players (besides the education)?

Cool...Moulson to Pittsburgh. Go Pens

Here's an article that has a little bit about Mark McCutcheon, with comments from his father.

[www.buffalonews.com]

[Q]...why the Rangers have been going after (seemingly) a lot of Ivy players (besides the education)?[/Q]

How many draft picks have they spent on Ivy players? (I know of the two this year and Dominic Moore -- any others?)

those were the three that I was thinking of...I put the "seemingly" in there because it seemed like a lot to me but maybe not to others. It may just be a result of Ivy hockey becoming a dominant force in the ECAC...

Adam Brown '03 wrote:
Ivy hockey becoming a dominant force in the ECAC...

Don't get too excited about that; these things ebb and flow. Just remember it in a few years when either fluctuations or the swing of the pendulum reverses the situation and some Clarkson/SLU/UVM/RPI fan starts mouthing off about how the Ivies (especially Brom and Darmouth ) are dragging the rest of the ECAC down.

[Q]Just remember it in a few years when either fluctuations or the swing of the pendulum reverses the situation and some Clarkson/SLU/UVM/RPI fan starts mouthing off about how the Ivies (especially Brom and Darmouth ) are dragging the rest of the ECAC down.[/Q]

Especially since this year, Brom's and Darmouth's schedules have many games against Anybody, but few against Nobody and Cupcake.

John, how could you not have noticed this:

179 NY Rangers Philippe Furrer D Bern (SUI)

Heh... Perfect for the Swiss Cheese defense that the Rangers are known for!!!

big red apple wrote:
John, how could you not have noticed this:

179 NY Rangers Philippe Furrer D Bern (SUI)

Hopp SCB!

Of course, since he's a youngster, he wasn't playing three years ago when I was last there.

Apparently the Swiss national team's goalie in the recent world championship plays for Bern as well. I was there for the second-to-last and penultimate seasons of beloved veteran Renato Tosio, so again, after my time.

I miss having a hockey team play ten minutes' walk from my apartment.

Mike wrote:
Heh... Perfect for the Swiss Cheese defense that the Rangers are known for!!!

Are you kidding? He'll block the opponents up like a fondue!

A quick NCAA draft breakdown from hockeysfuture.com...

[www.hockeysfuture.com]

They listed Cornell as a "Notable school" stating, "5 players were chosen from Cornell -- their Cinderella season caught the eye of many scouts."

[Q]5 players were chosen from Cornell -- their Cinderella season caught the eye of many scouts.[/Q]
Well, that's really annoying. I would hardly consider our season a "Cinderella story". It's not like Union or Princeton made it to the FF. Besides, I hardly think Hynes, O'Byrne, etc. were drafted because of this season's finish (esp. not the incoming guys). Not that this surprises me much, but I felt the need to vent.



Post Edited (06-25-03 17:13)

The author of the article is from Denver, and apparently follows DU.

Once more we see the WCHA bias against the ECAC.

JH

Adam Brown '03 wrote:
They listed Cornell as a "Notable school" stating, "5 players were chosen from Cornell -- their Cinderella season caught the eye of many scouts."

If we're Cinderella, does that make Harvard an ugly sister?

I think they're the rats that got changed into coachmen by the fairy godmother.

JH

I think that you are overreacting a little, Keith. To those who weren't paying attention, I'm sure that it seemed like a Cinderella season. I also don't think we are reading the scribblings of a writer that has spent a lot of time at workshops hoping to improve his craft.

Sure, 01-02 should have given the rest of the country a clue as to what 02-03 would be like, but I think Cornell exceeded everyone's preseason expectations - even ours. (I think by tournament time, everyone here was convinced that Cornell could win the whole thing, so the UNH loss was still a disappointment.)

Here's an indication of what some of us had for expectations going into the year (kind of interesting to read now):
[elf.hockey.cornell.edu]

Of course I'm over-reacting a little. Thus the need to vent. I don't think Cinderella is a fair description for Cornell if you were paying attention. But the writer probably wasn't paying attention - that's the point. I didn't lose any sleep over the description. I just couldn't resist the urge to complain about it.

I think the so called "experts" view any ECAC FF team as a "Cinderella" story....the same was said about St. Lawrence a few years ago...e.g., ad nauseum by Jack Edwards on ESPN with his references to "tiny" and "little" SLU taking on "mighty" Boston College.

It's not gonna stop until an ECAC team wins it all....if then!

"Cinderella" is a little unfair, I think, but "Fairy Tale" would certainly apply - just a slight difference in connotation.