Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
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Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:05PM
1-0 Cornell after Kempf gets his first collegiate goal
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:09PM
RPI video color mix is excellent. Clear distinction between cherry and Carnellian.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:10PM
Set up by a perfect DeSantis pass as he continues to have an MVP weekend.Iceberg
1-0 Cornell after Kempf gets his first collegiate goal
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:11PM
Best goal chance on the RPI penalty is Max Andreev.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:12PM
On the other hand, the camera work is Mr. Toad's wild ride.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:21PM
More DeSantis passing magic, 2-0.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Larry72 (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:23PM
Berard from Seger. Berard starting to look like he did last season. 2-0.
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Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:29PM
Q up on Harvard 2-0 already.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:30PM
Jack Malone making friends.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:38PM
Dirven had been having a bit of rough game anyway, but that certainly doesn't help
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:39PM
Seb gone, 5 minute pp for RPI.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Dunc (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:40PM
Sebastian Dirven done for the night with game misconduct following hit to RPI player's head
Other than this, overall a great period for us
Other than this, overall a great period for us
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2023 07:41PM by Dunc.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 07:40PM
Iceberg
Dirven had been having a bit of rough game anyway, but that certainly doesn't help
Tough call for him. Dirven was going for a routine check and the RPI guy seemed to fall into him head first.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:00PM
So 2 RPI goals on the 5 min PP and still over 2 minutes to go. Less than ideal.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:02PM
Wow, I can’t remember us giving up 3 on a 5 min PP.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:04PM
The ref didn't hesitate on that call. I guess there was nothing between him and the goaltender
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:06PM
I saw UNH get 4 and hit the post in a game against BU, but this is the only time I can remember us allowing 3.scoop85
Wow, I can’t remember us giving up 3 on a 5 min PP.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:09PM
I still really like us in this game, we are more crisp and we are winning the hustle battles.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:13PM
Trotsky
I still really like us in this game, we are more crisp and we are winning the hustle battles.
Complete domination 5 x 5. DeSantis’ passing has been superb.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2023 08:14PM by scoop85.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:13PM
If they actually called Mitchell for closing his hand on the puck as he was about to drop and play it...Lol
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Dunc (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:13PM
This Malinski, Smolinski confusion by the announcers is hilarious
I gues Malinski is a "S. Malinski"
I gues Malinski is a "S. Malinski"
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:14PM
Iceberg
If they actually called Mitchell for closing his hand on the puck as he was about to drop and play it...Lol
Preposterous call
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:22PM
And we've gotten them all back.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:36PM
Composite goaltending in the second period: 8 saves, 6 goals allowed.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:39PM
DeSantis and Berard have both figured on every goal tonight except Zach's penalty shot.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2023 08:40PM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-231-51.myvzw.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:45PM
Iceberg
The ref didn't hesitate on that call. I guess there was nothing between him and the goaltender
First successful penalty shot since the 80's or maybe the 70's??
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: ACM (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:46PM
marty
Iceberg
The ref didn't hesitate on that call. I guess there was nothing between him and the goaltender
First successful penalty shot since the 80's or maybe the 70's??
Alex Rauter in Madison Square Garden.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:49PM
RPI sending 4 in, this score is going to change very soon one way or the other.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:50PM
History.marty
Iceberg
The ref didn't hesitate on that call. I guess there was nothing between him and the goaltender
First successful penalty shot since the 80's or maybe the 70's??
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2023 08:50PM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:01PM
Donaldson on the wrap around to give us a 6-3 cushion. RPI’s defense is awful.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:09PM
Before tonight, we were very successful on our penalty kill. How does having three goals scored on a major penalty affect our penalty kill rate? Not germane tonight, but in general, how is killing a five minute major accounted for? The same as a minor?
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Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: ACM (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:12PM
George64
Before tonight, we were very successful on our penalty kill. How does having three goals scored on a major penalty affect our penalty kill rate? Not germane tonight, but in general, how is killing a five minute major accounted for? The same as a minor?
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Start with one power play opportunity. Scoring a goal starts another opportunity. So giving up 3 goals would be considered 3 goals in 4 opportunities.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:13PM
Strange decision by Smith not to pull his goaltender given how RPI has looked better with a man up.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Dunc (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:18PM
lol...
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:22PM
George64
Before tonight, we were very successful on our penalty kill. How does having three goals scored on a major penalty affect our penalty kill rate? Not germane tonight, but in general, how is killing a five minute major accounted for? The same as a minor?
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Final game statistics only show RPI 1-4 on power plays! Is that the answer?
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Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:25PM
scoop85
Donaldson on the wrap around to give us a 6-3 cushion. RPI’s defense is awful.
Between them and Union some of the worst I've seen this year. Almost half the teams in the league seem to be plagued with defensive issues, so it'll be interesting to see how the team matches up next weekend against a BU team that should have more sound blueliners
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2023 09:25PM by Iceberg.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:28PM
Iceberg
scoop85
Donaldson on the wrap around to give us a 6-3 cushion. RPI’s defense is awful.
Between them and Union some of the worst I've seen this year. Almost half the teams in the league seem to be plagued with defensive issues, so it'll be interesting to see how the team matches up next weekend against a BU team that should have more sound
blueliners
Both Union and RPI backed up into the zone and let our skaters have free reign. And when we got puck deep, we were able to dominate possession.
Only negative was the PK and Shane giving up 4 goals on 14 shots. Hopefully an aberration.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: ACM (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:28PM
George64
George64
Before tonight, we were very successful on our penalty kill. How does having three goals scored on a major penalty affect our penalty kill rate? Not germane tonight, but in general, how is killing a five minute major accounted for? The same as a minor?
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Final game statistics only show RPI 1-4 on power plays! Is that the answer?
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RPI game stats are screwed up. The major penalty doesn't show up at all.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:30PM
ACM
George64
George64
Before tonight, we were very successful on our penalty kill. How does having three goals scored on a major penalty affect our penalty kill rate? Not germane tonight, but in general, how is killing a five minute major accounted for? The same as a minor?
.
Final game statistics only show RPI 1-4 on power plays! Is that the answer?
.
RPI game stats are screwed up. The major penalty doesn't show up at all.
I think they said on WHCU that RPI was 4 for 7 on the PP.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: ACM (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:40PM
Jeff Hopkins '82
ACM
George64
George64
Before tonight, we were very successful on our penalty kill. How does having three goals scored on a major penalty affect our penalty kill rate? Not germane tonight, but in general, how is killing a five minute major accounted for? The same as a minor?
.
Final game statistics only show RPI 1-4 on power plays! Is that the answer?
.
RPI game stats are screwed up. The major penalty doesn't show up at all.
I think they said on WHCU that RPI was 4 for 7 on the PP.
Should be 4 x 8. We took 4 non-coincidental minors, each of which counts as 1 power-play opportunity, and RPI scored once, on the last minor. We also took the Dirven major, on which RPI scored 3 PPG, which counts as 3 goals in 4 opportunities.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:41PM
ACM
Jeff Hopkins '82
ACM
George64
George64
Before tonight, we were very successful on our penalty kill. How does having three goals scored on a major penalty affect our penalty kill rate? Not germane tonight, but in general, how is killing a five minute major accounted for? The same as a minor?
.
Final game statistics only show RPI 1-4 on power plays! Is that the answer?
.
RPI game stats are screwed up. The major penalty doesn't show up at all.
I think they said on WHCU that RPI was 4 for 7 on the PP.
Should be 4 x 8. We took 4 non-coincidental minors, each of which counts as 1 power-play opportunity, and RPI scored once, on the last minor. We also took the Dirven major, on which RPI scored 3 PPG, which counts as 3 goals in 4 opportunities.
OK, that works.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:41PM
never saw a good view of he major.. seemed like it was more a result of the guy having his head 4 ft off the ice than anything Dirven did..
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:42PM
upprdeck
never saw a good view of he major.. seemed like it was more a result of the guy having his head 4 ft off the ice than anything Dirven did..
That’s what I thought too.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 11:58PM
Must be fun to play us and think, "OK, who's their scorer so we can stop him?"
5 (1) DeSantis
4 (5) Bancroft, Mitchell, Psenicka, Seger, Tupker
3 (5) Andreev, Berard, Mack, Malone, Penney
2 (6) Donaldson, Malinski, O'Leary, Rego, Stienburg, Wallace
1 (4) Dirven, Kempf, Kovich, Lagerstrom
0 (5) McInchak, Muzyka, O'Brien, Rayhill, Suda
21 of 26 guys have scored, and of the 5 non-scorers 3 haven't played.
5 (1) DeSantis
4 (5) Bancroft, Mitchell, Psenicka, Seger, Tupker
3 (5) Andreev, Berard, Mack, Malone, Penney
2 (6) Donaldson, Malinski, O'Leary, Rego, Stienburg, Wallace
1 (4) Dirven, Kempf, Kovich, Lagerstrom
0 (5) McInchak, Muzyka, O'Brien, Rayhill, Suda
21 of 26 guys have scored, and of the 5 non-scorers 3 haven't played.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2023 12:00AM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: January 08, 2023 08:42AM
Some interesting stats courtesy of Cornell:
1) First time we scored six-plus goals in consecutive games in 5 years
2) First time we had consecutive 11-goal weekends in 31 years
3) Berard is first player with four consecutive multi-point games since Barron did it to open 2019-20 season
4) On the negative side, first time we gave up four power-play goals since we gave up five to Harvard in 2006 ECAC Championship game
A few other random thoughts:
1) When was the last time we had back-to-back games where the opposing coach had to pull the starting goalie?
2) If you could combine the Union announcers and the RPI production crew you would have a great hockey broadcast!
1) First time we scored six-plus goals in consecutive games in 5 years
2) First time we had consecutive 11-goal weekends in 31 years
3) Berard is first player with four consecutive multi-point games since Barron did it to open 2019-20 season
4) On the negative side, first time we gave up four power-play goals since we gave up five to Harvard in 2006 ECAC Championship game
A few other random thoughts:
1) When was the last time we had back-to-back games where the opposing coach had to pull the starting goalie?
2) If you could combine the Union announcers and the RPI production crew you would have a great hockey broadcast!
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 08, 2023 09:03AM
dbilmes
Some interesting stats courtesy of Cornell:
1) First time we scored six-plus goals in consecutive games in 5 years
2) First time we had consecutive 11-goal weekends in 31 years
3) Berard is first player with four consecutive multi-point games since Barron did it to open 2019-20 season
4) On the negative side, first time we gave up four power-play goals since we gave up five to Harvard in 2006 ECAC Championship game
A few other random thoughts:
1) When was the last time we had back-to-back games where the opposing coach had to pull the starting goalie?
2) If you could combine the Union announcers and the RPI production crew you would have a great hockey broadcast!
If you look at the USCHO box it seems RPI might not have had but 1 (or 0) shot on goal in the 3rd until the Andreev penalty.
At the 15 minute mark or so I was thinking RPI might not get another SOG. The 3rd vs RPI was reminiscent of the previous night at Union.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 11:43AM
That was a perfect weekend if you take out The Unfortunate Incident.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 11:47AM
One of the only qualms I had about The SystemTM was that with so few goals for we were always just a screw up or a fluke bounce or two away from allowing bad teams back in our games. This is No Longer the Case. This team is still quite capable of playing shut down D with a late lead, but they have enough offense to get some breathing room (or as we just saw recover from a lousy stretch). I have confidence we can win when we are favored and get ourselves to the 50/50 games in the tournies (Harvard at Placid, the NCAA 1R match up). It may not help us against clearly superior teams (Quinnipiac) but it gets us to where we need to be to exploit a bad night for them or a career performance by Shane.
I continue to be heartened and surprised that Schafer was able to retool our approach while still retaining responsible defense in all three zones, adding speed and skill to give us legitimate offensive capability. He's just a really good coach and we should appreciate these last few decades and our Silver Age.
I continue to be heartened and surprised that Schafer was able to retool our approach while still retaining responsible defense in all three zones, adding speed and skill to give us legitimate offensive capability. He's just a really good coach and we should appreciate these last few decades and our Silver Age.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2023 11:51AM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: coz (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 08, 2023 12:18PM
Trotsky
One of the only qualms I had about The SystemTM was that with so few goals for we were always just a screw up or a fluke bounce or two away from allowing bad teams back in our games. This is No Longer the Case. This team is still quite capable of playing shut down D with a late lead, but they have enough offense to get some breathing room (or as we just saw recover from a lousy stretch). I have confidence we can win when we are favored and get ourselves to the 50/50 games in the tournies (Harvard at Placid, the NCAA 1R match up). It may not help us against clearly superior teams (Quinnipiac) but it gets us to where we need to be to exploit a bad night for them or a career performance by Shane.
I continue to be heartened and surprised that Schafer was able to retool our approach while still retaining responsible defense in all three zones, adding speed and skill to give us legitimate offensive capability. He's just a really good coach and we should appreciate these last few decades and our Silver Age.
I was in the same boat with Schafer. It does seem like we have enough skill now that these types of games are much less stressful.
For this season specifically I'm not sure we're good/skilled enough score against the really good teams and the PP remains what I call "2 Minutes of Sadness", but the trajectory is good and I think we'll get there soon enough (at least at 5v5).
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-212.myvzw.com)
Date: January 08, 2023 12:52PM
coz
Trotsky
One of the only qualms I had about The SystemTM was that with so few goals for we were always just a screw up or a fluke bounce or two away from allowing bad teams back in our games. This is No Longer the Case. This team is still quite capable of playing shut down D with a late lead, but they have enough offense to get some breathing room (or as we just saw recover from a lousy stretch). I have confidence we can win when we are favored and get ourselves to the 50/50 games in the tournies (Harvard at Placid, the NCAA 1R match up). It may not help us against clearly superior teams (Quinnipiac) but it gets us to where we need to be to exploit a bad night for them or a career performance by Shane.
I continue to be heartened and surprised that Schafer was able to retool our approach while still retaining responsible defense in all three zones, adding speed and skill to give us legitimate offensive capability. He's just a really good coach and we should appreciate these last few decades and our Silver Age.
I was in the same boat with Schafer. It does seem like we have enough skill now that these types of games are much less stressful.
For this season specifically I'm not sure we're good/skilled enough score against the really good teams and the PP remains what I call "2 Minutes of Sadness", but the trajectory is good and I think we'll get there soon enough (at least at 5v5).
The PP seems to act like getting the puck to the doorstep or the center slot is itself the goal. These are high scoring places, but if the goalie is prepare and the center slot is covered, it's not like they're automatic. We pass around the outside and to the corners until there's a clear line to the crease, but unless there a cross-crease pass open, the goalie can block off that line.
We need to do a little more skating the puck from high to low and moving without the puck to make life difficult for defenders,
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Give My Regards (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 08, 2023 12:55PM
dbilmes
2) First time we had consecutive 11-goal weekends in 31 years
Well, AIC wasn't exactly a weekend (Thu-Fri), but hey, I'll take it.
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Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 08, 2023 03:21PM
Trotsky
I continue to be heartened and surprised that Schafer was able to retool our approach while still retaining responsible defense in all three zones, adding speed and skill to give us legitimate offensive capability. He's just a really good coach and we should appreciate these last few decades and our Silver Age.
I agree but there are two fantastic assistant coaches that need some love too.
When you listen to Jason's post game interviews with Ben and Sean it's easy to imagine a coherent team that is on a great ride together.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 04:53PM
Do these ever get posted online anywhere?marty
Trotsky
I continue to be heartened and surprised that Schafer was able to retool our approach while still retaining responsible defense in all three zones, adding speed and skill to give us legitimate offensive capability. He's just a really good coach and we should appreciate these last few decades and our Silver Age.
I agree but there are two fantastic assistant coaches that need some love too.
When you listen to Jason's post game interviews with Ben and Sean it's easy to imagine a coherent team that is on a great ride together.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 05:17PM
Dafatone
coz
Trotsky
One of the only qualms I had about The SystemTM was that with so few goals for we were always just a screw up or a fluke bounce or two away from allowing bad teams back in our games. This is No Longer the Case. This team is still quite capable of playing shut down D with a late lead, but they have enough offense to get some breathing room (or as we just saw recover from a lousy stretch). I have confidence we can win when we are favored and get ourselves to the 50/50 games in the tournies (Harvard at Placid, the NCAA 1R match up). It may not help us against clearly superior teams (Quinnipiac) but it gets us to where we need to be to exploit a bad night for them or a career performance by Shane.
I continue to be heartened and surprised that Schafer was able to retool our approach while still retaining responsible defense in all three zones, adding speed and skill to give us legitimate offensive capability. He's just a really good coach and we should appreciate these last few decades and our Silver Age.
I was in the same boat with Schafer. It does seem like we have enough skill now that these types of games are much less stressful.
For this season specifically I'm not sure we're good/skilled enough score against the really good teams and the PP remains what I call "2 Minutes of Sadness", but the trajectory is good and I think we'll get there soon enough (at least at 5v5).
The PP seems to act like getting the puck to the doorstep or the center slot is itself the goal. These are high scoring places, but if the goalie is prepare and the center slot is covered, it's not like they're automatic. We pass around the outside and to the corners until there's a clear line to the crease, but unless there a cross-crease pass open, the goalie can block off that line.
We need to do a little more skating the puck from high to low and moving without the puck to make life difficult for defenders,
We have been having some guys try to run the backdoor play or cycle down and then cross ice to the opposite side of the goalie. Bancroft has been pretty good at that. I can't remember if Donaldson is getting pp minutes but he seems to try to run that type of play too.
We always cheat back to make sure we don't give up the counter on a block, and blocked shots are such a huge part of today's game I think that's prudent. What we are missing is the Immovable Object who can convert those pucks that slide back into the low crease after the first chance. Max is the obvious candidate and it's not for lack of trying but he hasn't been able to convert many. We may also be suffering from Stienburg Withdrawal.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 08, 2023 07:22PM
Going into the RPI game we had the #1 PP in ECAC games..
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: margolism (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 08, 2023 07:54PM
The NHL record for number of goals given up during a five-minute major is 4.
Anyone know the college hockey record?
Anyone know the college hockey record?
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: abmarks (107.122.189.---)
Date: January 08, 2023 08:33PM
upprdeck
Going into the RPI game we had the #1 PP in ECAC games..
And 15th nationally.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: coz (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 08, 2023 11:53PM
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upprdeck
Going into the RPI game we had the #1 PP in ECAC games..
And 15th nationally.
And against what I would consider our toughest opponents so far (UMD, QU, Clarkson, UConn, and Sucks) we are a cool 1 for 22. Now you can argue that was early in the season and they've gotten into a groove as they've gotten more comfortable, but the PP has to start showing up in games that we're not already dominating 5v5.
All this to say, I'll take a mediocre PP if we're consistently winning the possession battle which under Schafer we always have even when we weren't skilled enough to take advantage.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 11:58PM
Effective special teams are a necessity when we get deep into the tourneys, though, because the great teams will find a way to exploit weakness there, and then that will live in our heads and affect our game style.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2023 11:58PM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 12:00AM
Not sure, but I do know the record for shorthanded goals during the same penalty (3, a natural hat trick by CJ Young of Harvard, although the period break was between the first and second ones).margolism
The NHL record for number of goals given up during a five-minute major is 4.
Anyone know the college hockey record?
He set an NCAA record for the fastest three goals when he scored a hat trick in just 49 seconds, all shorthanded, in a 10-0 win over Dartmouth on December 12, 1988.
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Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: coz (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 09, 2023 12:00AM
Trotsky
Effective special teams are a necessity when we get deep into the tourneys, though, because the great teams will find a way to exploit weakness there, and then that will live in our heads and affect our game style.
I meant as more of an either or choice but yeah I obviously want our PP to be good. I'm just dubious that it is.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 12:02AM
The puck movement and tempo are solid against weak teams, but it evaporates against tough ones.coz
Trotsky
Effective special teams are a necessity when we get deep into the tourneys, though, because the great teams will find a way to exploit weakness there, and then that will live in our heads and affect our game style.
I meant as more of an either or choice but yeah I obviously want our PP to be good. I'm just dubious that it is.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: coz (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 09, 2023 12:14AM
Trotsky
The puck movement and tempo are solid against weak teams, but it evaporates against tough ones.coz
Trotsky
Effective special teams are a necessity when we get deep into the tourneys, though, because the great teams will find a way to exploit weakness there, and then that will live in our heads and affect our game style.
I meant as more of an either or choice but yeah I obviously want our PP to be good. I'm just dubious that it is.
They've had games where they can't even get the puck in the zone let alone set up. I know they've looked better recently, but the schedule has been charmin soft.
I also think that except when Barron was here I've never felt truly confident in the PP. He was a weapon who bent the shape of opposing PKs and opened up space for both himself and his teammates. We have a lot of good skilled players, but no one currently that the other team constantly has to be aware of. EDIT: Rego seems to think he's that guy sometimes but I don't think he is.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2023 12:16AM by coz.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 12:32AM
"That guy" is supposed to be Berard.
The last time we had a dominating power play was the Gallagher-Greening juggernaut. We have been flailing about since then, without consistency. It's certainly been a missing piece.
I love that we give and go now and don't always retreat behind the net. As you said, we had been getting trapped trying to move out by aggressive forechecks because we gave the opponent time to set up. We have been moving skates and getting out faster and you can see it really freaks out some teams, while others just join the battle. It makes for much better hockey to watch.
This is a much more fun team to watch than some Schafer teams of the past who had an even higher winning percentage.
The last time we had a dominating power play was the Gallagher-Greening juggernaut. We have been flailing about since then, without consistency. It's certainly been a missing piece.
I love that we give and go now and don't always retreat behind the net. As you said, we had been getting trapped trying to move out by aggressive forechecks because we gave the opponent time to set up. We have been moving skates and getting out faster and you can see it really freaks out some teams, while others just join the battle. It makes for much better hockey to watch.
This is a much more fun team to watch than some Schafer teams of the past who had an even higher winning percentage.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: coz (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 09, 2023 12:58AM
Trotsky
"That guy" is supposed to be Berard.
The last time we had a dominating power play was the Gallagher-Greening juggernaut. We have been flailing about since then, without consistency. It's certainly been a missing piece.
I love that we give and go now and don't always retreat behind the net. As you said, we had been getting trapped trying to move out by aggressive forechecks because we gave the opponent time to set up. We have been moving skates and getting out faster and you can see it really freaks out some teams, while others just join the battle. It makes for much better hockey to watch.
This is a much more fun team to watch than some Schafer teams of the past who had an even higher winning percentage.
Vanderlaan and Angello's freshman year seemed like the catalyst or the first part of change in direction, that maybe not all offense is bad, just opponents offense.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 01:08AM
Connor Bedard isn't eligible.Trotsky
"That guy" is supposed to be Berard.
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Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 03:01AM
Trotsky
Effective special teams are a necessity when we get deep into the tourneys, though, because the great teams will find a way to exploit weakness there, and then that will live in our heads and affect our game style.
Our pk is phenomenal even after the 3 goal major pk Saturday. We're 3rd in the country at 90.6% behind only Dartmouth and Ohio State who are tied with 90.9%.
Plus we're ranked around 15th for fewest pim/g
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 09, 2023 09:53AM
I think one issue being over looked is that we have been having a new guy injured like every week it seemed. And swapping guys in and out of things like the PP are never good.. If the lineup of the core guys stays steady for awhile it probably helps
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 10:50AM
The problem with the offense, especially on the power play, is a lack of playmaking ability and vision. Positionally we are fine, we have guys who can get to the net and we have guys who can shoot it. Physically we can hold on to the puck. And we can run plays to get guys open in the slot and backdoor. But there is is so much fluidity in hockey, so many unpredictable variables, and we do not have the vision or creativity to make plays on the fly. This comes up on fast breaks, on exploiting defensive breakdowns, and all the time on the power play where there is always time and space and an open man. Other than Andreev and DeSantis, I haven’t seen much creativity and vision this year. That’s nothing new for a Cornell team; there haven’t been too many Ryan Vesces, Riley Nashes, or Cam Donaldsons over the years. But the difference is stark when you compare the crispness of our passing and the quickness of our decisionmaking with that of Harvard. Our passes all take a split second longer to get off, they’re all a little less on the tape. There are other ways to score, but they’re going to be tougher and dirtier than tic-tac-toe.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: January 09, 2023 10:59AM
That's a good point. Even though he's not having a great season, I'd rather see Stienburg getting regular ice time, for example, than someone like Kovich.upprdeck
I think one issue being over looked is that we have been having a new guy injured like every week it seemed. And swapping guys in and out of things like the PP are never good.. If the lineup of the core guys stays steady for awhile it probably helps
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 11:00AM
Half the time that guy is Stienburg. Very few players have been as hampered by so many different injuries.upprdeck
I think one issue being over looked is that we have been having a new guy injured like every week it seemed.
But we did get through an entire weekend without anybody getting hurt. Bâby steps.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 09, 2023 01:03PM
is creativity the real issue on the PP.. I saw a ton of nice plays this weekend on the PP. Not that the all lead to goals or chances. But we passed around very little, we changed direction, we swapped spots.. we went back door we went cross ice, we passed thru the middle.
Again how much of any PP success is good offense vs bad defense? without comparing puck movement to other teams, which very few watch outside of our own games, how do we know ours is bad. We have several games with great movement and chances and no scores, sometimes we miss chances and sometimes the D makes a good play and sometimes its us being bad, and sometimes the goalie just makes a good save. .. Great movement doesnt always mean the goalie is not going to do his job.
Again how much of any PP success is good offense vs bad defense? without comparing puck movement to other teams, which very few watch outside of our own games, how do we know ours is bad. We have several games with great movement and chances and no scores, sometimes we miss chances and sometimes the D makes a good play and sometimes its us being bad, and sometimes the goalie just makes a good save. .. Great movement doesnt always mean the goalie is not going to do his job.
Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 05:56PM
On creativity and movement i like what i see so far from bancroft, seger and, tbh, o'leary who i am surprised sits as much as he does. Andreev would be better if he tried to do less himself and used his skating to set up passes but this has been true for years and imo his injuries have really hurt his development.
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Re: Cornell vs. RPI 1/7/23
Posted by: abmarks (---.mycingular.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 05:56PM
BearLover
Other than Andreev and DeSantis, I haven’t seen much creativity and vision this year
Bancroft has made some slick, creative passes. He's one to watch creativity wise
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