Central Scouting Final Ranking

Cornellians:

[www.spiritone.com]

You missed:

154 CAREFOOT, MITCH BCHL SALMON ARM 1/2/1985 6' 1" 209 C R 56

Thanks. Now updated.

Sorry about this. Also, from the international rankings:

89 STACHURSKI, MICHAEL FIN JR. BLUES JR.


EDIT: Actually, Greg, I don't think that we have been searching the final rankings. There are links to "final rankings," but they are empty. I get "no document found" when I check for final rankings and I think I may have cited the midterms for Stachurski and Carefoot - and I think you may have done the same for everyone else.



Post Edited (05-14-03 20:09)

I made that comment on USCHO, but it is true that the rankings are dated 5/13.

Mitch Carefoot was ranked #154 in the midterm rankings, but is not listed among the 210 North American skaters in the final rankings.

The final European rankings have not yet been released. In theory, Mike Stachurski should not be listed because he cannot be drafted unless he opts into the draft (and forfeits his NCAA eligibility). However, 18-year-old Wisconsin recruit Ryan Suter is ranked #7 in the final N.A. skater rankings, and I have not heard that he has opted into the draft.



Post Edited (05-15-03 02:01)

When is the draft anyway? For someone who is too lazy to look it up himself.

You no longer forfeit your NCAA eligibility by opting-into the draft PRIOR to enrolling in college.

This only happens if you are already enrolled in college (a la Michigan goalie Al Montoya).

This was part of the NCAA pre-enrollment amateurism de-regulation package that originally could've led to Major Junior players being eligible for college hockey without penalty. The final watered down version did little - though the change to the opt-in interpretation was one thing that affected hockey.

I only went to one game this year, but from reports and stats, I'm kind of surprised to see Hynes well ahead of Moulson in the rankings? Thoughts from people who actually saw them play all season?

Jordan Steele '01 wrote:

I only went to one game this year, but from reports and stats, I'm kind of surprised to see Hynes well ahead of Moulson in the rankings? Thoughts from people who actually saw them play all season?

Size?

Where do you see that? I still can't find the final rankings. Link, please. Thanks.

I only went to a half-dozen or so games, but Hynes caught my eye more than Moulson.

Maybe I was watching Bâby and Vesce when Moulson was on the ice, so I didn't notice him as much, but Hynes definitely seemed to be more of a factor in the games I saw (mostly playoffs).

I also think there may be something of a Lindros factor - playing with a star player makes you better - and the scouts may be trying to discount that.

JH

I think it has a lot to do with size.

Hynes can be a solid grinder on a 3rd line in the NHL for years to come, even if he doesn't develop an NHL scoring touch. They might see Moulson as a perimeter player with great offensive upside, but there are lots of players like him in the draft. Several of them are bigger and have better stats.

I don't think there was any discounting. I don't think the scouts see Bâby and Vesce as star players.

[Q]Where do you see that? I still can't find the final rankings. Link, please. Thanks.[/Q]

When you get to the rankings page, click on "Click here for .PDF files". That link contains the domestic skaters and goalies rankings as of May 13. International players to be posted at a later date.

Jeff Hopkins '82 wrote:

...Hynes definitely seemed to be more of a factor in the games I saw (mostly playoffs)...

JH

Like getting a stupid undisciplined penalty in the third period of the semi-final? I'd say he was a factor as well, but not in a good way. He is talented, but IMHO, he needs to grow up and learn to walk away when someone is baiting him.

Adam J. Doyle wrote:

Jeff Hopkins '82 wrote:

...Hynes definitely seemed to be more of a factor in the games I saw (mostly playoffs)...

JH

Like getting a stupid undisciplined penalty in the third period of the semi-final? I'd say he was a factor as well, but not in a good way. He is talented, but IMHO, he needs to grow up and learn to walk away when someone is baiting him.

A bit harsh, no? He played very well for the team, and one ill-advised (to put it mildly) play should not ruin a very good season.

I don't know who is "better" of Moulson or Hynes; we should see this year when Moulson has his training wheels (Bâby and Murray) taken off.

Thanks. By the way, what happened to the #4 goalie?

[Q]By the way, what happened to the #4 goalie?[/Q]

The site says:

Please Note: There are four (4) positions that have been left blank - they represent four (4) players that have not yet opted-in. As soon as their status changes, the RANKING will be revised and posted here [meaning there]

CUlater '89 wrote:

[Q]By the way, what happened to the #4 goalie?[/Q]

The site says:

Please Note: There are four (4) positions that have been left blank - they represent four (4) players that have not yet opted-in. As soon as their status changes, the RANKING will be revised and posted here [meaning there]

Thanks. Should we assume Montoya?

That's what they said on USCHO. Take that for what it's worth ... seems pretty likely though.

Is this the first year in which a player can opt into the draft before enrolling in college without affecting his NCAA eligibility?

Yes.

Craig Buckser '94 wrote:

Is this the first year in which a player can opt into the draft before enrolling in college without affecting his NCAA eligibility?

big red apple wrote:

CUlater '89 wrote:

[Q]By the way, what happened to the #4 goalie?[/Q]

The site says:

Please Note: There are four (4) positions that have been left blank - they represent four (4) players that have not yet opted-in. As soon as their status changes, the RANKING will be revised and posted here [meaning there]

Thanks. Should we assume Montoya?

Yes.

Adam J. Doyle wrote:

but IMHO, he needs to grow up and learn to walk away when someone is baiting him.

Hello, Mr. Pot, I like you to meet Mr. Kettle...

cf. Lake placid 2002

good to see Ithaca born Dustin Brown at number 2. I find it nuts that his mother talked to me about hockey after high school way back. of course i deferred her to people who actually would know what they were talking about.

just interesting is all. too bad he didnt go to cornell over playing at guelph.

Although I think Al is right as far as why Hynes moved ahead of Moulson (size), I really believe that Moulson is going to be awesome for us. He appears much smoother than Hynes - a Brad Chartrand type. I am very excited about Moulson, Hynes and Pegoraro. However, clearly, the incoming class is the key to Cornell's future. We have a lot of good players to replace.

I think that Moulson is a great impact player for the Big Red. He has good speed, skating and puck handling abilities. Hynes on the other hand, handles the puck well and plays a great physical game. Hynes' size and physical toughness is what makes him more desirable for an NHL team.

I like them both. I am glad to see them wearing Red. Either one may have a shot at an NHL career, but I am going to enjoy their time at Cornell, first.