Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by scoop85
Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: March 08, 2019 04:33PM
Great profile on the Rangers' website. As a lifelong Rangers fan I would love him to make it to MSG.
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Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 08, 2019 07:43PM
Great! Thanks for sharing.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 08, 2019 07:45PM
scoop85
Great profile on the Rangers' website. As a lifelong Rangers fan I would love him to make it to MSG.
As a nearly life-long Flyers fan, I'd like to see him playing for just about any team except the Rangers.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: RichH (159.192.217.---)
Date: March 08, 2019 09:41PM
Jeff Hopkins '82
scoop85
Great profile on the Rangers' website. As a lifelong Rangers fan I would love him to make it to MSG.
As a nearly life-long Flyers fan, I'd like to see him playing for just about any team except the Rangers.
I’d like for this debate to not matter until late Spring of 2021.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/08/2019 09:46PM by RichH.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 08, 2019 10:00PM
RichH
Jeff Hopkins '82
scoop85
Great profile on the Rangers' website. As a lifelong Rangers fan I would love him to make it to MSG.
As a nearly life-long Flyers fan, I'd like to see him playing for just about any team except the Rangers.
I’d like for this debate to not matter until late Spring of 2021.
Good point.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 09, 2019 01:04PM
We'd be extremely lucky to keep Barron for the next two years. That was a really nice video, but it makes me uneasy.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 09, 2019 01:21PM
BearLover
We'd be extremely lucky to keep Barron for the next two years. That was a really nice video, but it makes me uneasy.
I could see him leave after a solid junior year like Furlin and Angello , but I’ll be surprised if he leaves after this season. He’s still pretty young.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Trotsky (---.sub-174-204-17.myvzw.com)
Date: March 09, 2019 02:26PM
scoop85
BearLover
We'd be extremely lucky to keep Barron for the next two years. That was a really nice video, but it makes me uneasy.
I could see him leave after a solid junior year like Furlin and Angello , but I’ll be surprised if he leaves after this season. He’s still pretty young.
Depends on whether the Rangers think he can still grow here. I hope so.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: redice (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 09, 2019 06:22PM
Trotsky
scoop85
BearLover
We'd be extremely lucky to keep Barron for the next two years. That was a really nice video, but it makes me uneasy.
I could see him leave after a solid junior year like Furlin and Angello , but I’ll be surprised if he leaves after this season. He’s still pretty young.
Depends on whether the Rangers think he can still grow here. I hope so.
I can recall similar discussions about a fellow named Nethery back in the late 1970's.... That Rangers administration chose to let him season in Ithaca.. Let's hope they do the same with Barron.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: March 09, 2019 07:00PM
redice
Trotsky
scoop85
BearLover
We'd be extremely lucky to keep Barron for the next two years. That was a really nice video, but it makes me uneasy.
I could see him leave after a solid junior year like Furlin and Angello , but I’ll be surprised if he leaves after this season. He’s still pretty young.
Depends on whether the Rangers think he can still grow here. I hope so.
I can recall similar discussions about a fellow named Nethery back in the late 1970's.... That Rangers administration chose to let him season in Ithaca.. Let's hope they do the same with Barron.
God, this makes me feel old. But that's why our generation doesn't do selfies.
I just need something to remind me every day or two that it's true - besides the black tape I put over the front camera.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 10, 2019 01:51PM
marty
redice
Trotsky
scoop85
BearLover
We'd be extremely lucky to keep Barron for the next two years. That was a really nice video, but it makes me uneasy.
I could see him leave after a solid junior year like Furlin and Angello , but I’ll be surprised if he leaves after this season. He’s still pretty young.
Depends on whether the Rangers think he can still grow here. I hope so.
I can recall similar discussions about a fellow named Nethery back in the late 1970's.... That Rangers administration chose to let him season in Ithaca.. Let's hope they do the same with Barron.
God, this makes me feel old. But that's why our generation doesn't do selfies.
I just need something to remind me every day or two that it's true - besides the black tape I put over the front camera.
Did college players even come out early in the 70's?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/10/2019 08:37PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 10, 2019 03:21PM
much less,, fewer pro teams so more players to choose from
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Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 10, 2019 04:18PM
upprdeck
much less,, fewer pro teams so more players to choose from
And many fewer pro prospects in college back then.
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Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 10, 2019 05:12PM
The 1969 Denver team that beat Cornell in the NCAA championship game was an exception. Somewhere long ago I read that six players from that team went on to NHL careers (or maybe it was NHL and WHA). Names I recognize from NHL are Keith Magnuson, Cliff Koroll, George Morrison and Craig Patrick. Tough roster.Jim Hyla
upprdeck
much less,, fewer pro teams so more players to choose from
And many fewer pro prospects in college back then.
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Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: March 12, 2019 03:33PM
Maybe I'm a bit too optimistic about Barron's return next year. Here's an excerpt from Rick Carpiniello's Rangers article today in The Athletic:
But another lesser-known commodity, big, skilled winger Morgan Barron, whose Cornell team has not yet begun its ECAC playoffs, may turn pro after this season. That decision is not in stone. But Barron has had a fabulous season after being the Rangers’ sixth-rounder (174th overall) in the 2017 draft. Barron’s not just a smart guy who finishes checks, but he’s a shoot-first forward of which the Rangers are in need (his 4.52 shots per game rank third in the NCAA this season), who has 13 goals, 17 assists in 29 games.
But another lesser-known commodity, big, skilled winger Morgan Barron, whose Cornell team has not yet begun its ECAC playoffs, may turn pro after this season. That decision is not in stone. But Barron has had a fabulous season after being the Rangers’ sixth-rounder (174th overall) in the 2017 draft. Barron’s not just a smart guy who finishes checks, but he’s a shoot-first forward of which the Rangers are in need (his 4.52 shots per game rank third in the NCAA this season), who has 13 goals, 17 assists in 29 games.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 12, 2019 04:01PM
Bolting after two years is much faster than the norm in the ECAC, even for star players. If Priskie, Gostisbehere, Vesey, Donato, Vecchione, Veronneau, Kuffner, Carr, Riley, etc. all stayed three or four years, you have to wonder what's different about Barron's situation. Yeah, the Rangers stink, but he's definitely not ready to immediately jump to the NHL. The Rangers must believe he could develop better in the AHL.scoop85
Maybe I'm a bit too optimistic about Barron's return next year. Here's an excerpt from Rick Carpiniello's Rangers article today in The Athletic:
But another lesser-known commodity, big, skilled winger Morgan Barron, whose Cornell team has not yet begun its ECAC playoffs, may turn pro after this season. That decision is not in stone. But Barron has had a fabulous season after being the Rangers’ sixth-rounder (174th overall) in the 2017 draft. Barron’s not just a smart guy who finishes checks, but he’s a shoot-first forward of which the Rangers are in need (his 4.52 shots per game rank third in the NCAA this season), who has 13 goals, 17 assists in 29 games.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 12, 2019 04:33PM
All the more reason to always push as far as possible when we have the chance. You can't plan for a future when it might bolt.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 12, 2019 05:16PM
is he where Angello was 2 yrs ago? Just having him this year makes a huge difference in this team and its depth
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Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 12, 2019 05:54PM
He's probably slightly ahead of where Angello was two years ago, and the team that drafted him is certainly in far more of a rebuilding phase than the Penguins were two years ago. But look at Angello: 15-12-27 in 56 games in the AHL. Certainly not bad numbers for your first year in the AHL, but also certainly not suggestive of Angello ever making it as an everyday NHL player. And what did Angello lose by leaving? Well, he would have earned his degree and Cornell would probably be a top-five team in the country right now.upprdeck
is he where Angello was 2 yrs ago? Just having him this year makes a huge difference in this team and its depth
Here's the reality: Cornell hasn't produced much NHL talent over the past decade. We currently have one everyday player in the NHL--Riley Nash, who is 1-7-8 in 65 games this year. Joakim Ryan looked to be on his way after a breakout rookie season last year, but he's been relegated to the bench as probably the 8th defenseman on a very good Sharks team. Riley stayed three years, Joakim stayed four. Moulson (stayed four years) and Murray (four years) had good careers. The other recent players who lasted a few years: Greening (four years), Scrivens (four), Bitz (four), O'Byrne (three). Pokuluk and LeNeveu left after two years, and both flamed out.
I think it's safe to conclude that, as a Cornell hockey player, your chances of making it as a pro are not hurt by staying four years--and given how high the fail rate is, staying in college is often a much safer choice. Is Barron materially different from the above players? Maybe. But given we're not blowing teams away in NHL talent, if we want to compete nationally, we need players like him to stay in school.
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Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: March 13, 2019 10:14AM
The first sentence seems more like a loss to us than to Angello. He signed a two year deal for $1.85M so ... ask Haiskanen if staying in college is the safe choice.BearLover
upprdeck
is he where Angello was 2 yrs ago? Just having him this year makes a huge difference in this team and its depth
I think it's safe to conclude that, as a Cornell hockey player, your chances of making it as a pro are not hurt by staying four years--and given how high the fail rate is, staying in college is often a much safer choice.
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Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 13, 2019 12:12PM
I think we're pretty much agreed that he's going to do what the Rangers tell him to do. They may feel like he still has opportunities for growth, here. I hope they do. I don't think he's close to ready and that if he goes to the minors now he'll be buried there. Much better IMO for him to be a first line / first pp unit player here vacuuming up ice time.ugarte
The first sentence seems more like a loss to us than to Angello. He signed a two year deal for $1.85M so ... ask Haiskanen if staying in college is the safe choice.BearLover
upprdeck
is he where Angello was 2 yrs ago? Just having him this year makes a huge difference in this team and its depth
I think it's safe to conclude that, as a Cornell hockey player, your chances of making it as a pro are not hurt by staying four years--and given how high the fail rate is, staying in college is often a much safer choice.
But I may be biased...
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Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 13, 2019 12:46PM
Believe Angello is earning far less than what’s written above. That number presumes he’s playing in the NHL. He’s been playing in the AHL, where salaries are a fraction of the NHL minimum.
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Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: March 13, 2019 01:05PM
yeah i thought he had a 2 way deal with a small bonus. he is making 70K this yr in salary
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Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: March 13, 2019 01:28PM
upprdeck
yeah i thought he had a 2 way deal with a small bonus. he is making 70K this yr in salary
Yes thanks. This idea that college players going pro earn millions has to be properly understood. The vast majority are 2 way and even then the signing bonus may be the only guaranteed monies. Sometimes they do have a few years guaranteed as well.
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 13, 2019 01:31PM
Was it Ryan Hughes who was guaranteed 3 games in the N so Boston put him on the bench then dumped him in Providence to rot?Jim Hyla
upprdeck
yeah i thought he had a 2 way deal with a small bonus. he is making 70K this yr in salary
Yes thanks. This idea that college players going pro earn millions has to be properly understood. The vast majority are 2 way and even then the signing bonus may be the only guaranteed monies. Sometimes they do have a few years guaranteed as well.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 13, 2019 01:47PM
Trotsky
Was it Ryan Hughes who was guaranteed 3 games in the N so Boston put him on the bench then dumped him in Providence to rot?Jim Hyla
upprdeck
yeah i thought he had a 2 way deal with a small bonus. he is making 70K this yr in salary
Yes thanks. This idea that college players going pro earn millions has to be properly understood. The vast majority are 2 way and even then the signing bonus may be the only guaranteed monies. Sometimes they do have a few years guaranteed as well.
Yep. Never even got back to the AHL after that season, just two more years in the IHL.
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Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: nshapiro (192.148.195.---)
Date: March 13, 2019 02:18PM
Jim Hyla
upprdeck
yeah i thought he had a 2 way deal with a small bonus. he is making 70K this yr in salary
Yes thanks. This idea that college players going pro earn millions has to be properly understood. The vast majority are 2 way and even then the signing bonus may be the only guaranteed monies. Sometimes they do have a few years guaranteed as well.
I know that Willcox received a 700K 'qualifying offer' last summer from the Flyers, and he has never played an NHL game. Is that not really what he makes if he is in the AHL?
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 13, 2019 02:50PM
I thought "qualifying offer" meant the player either took the money or refused the offer and was a free agent. So if he stayed in their system the money's his.nshapiro
Jim Hyla
upprdeck
yeah i thought he had a 2 way deal with a small bonus. he is making 70K this yr in salary
Yes thanks. This idea that college players going pro earn millions has to be properly understood. The vast majority are 2 way and even then the signing bonus may be the only guaranteed monies. Sometimes they do have a few years guaranteed as well.
I know that Willcox received a 700K 'qualifying offer' last summer from the Flyers, and he has never played an NHL game. Is that not really what he makes if he is in the AHL?
Given that players have a very short window to make their money, and they and their families have sunk many years and dollars into preparation, signing bonuses and qualifying offers aren't really that much of a windfall unless they are enormous. They are basically a back end payment to compensate for all that effort -- they bring the athlete back to zero, after which he can start earning money (again, for only a very brief time).
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 13, 2019 02:54PM
Trotsky
I thought "qualifying offer" meant the player either took the money or refused the offer and was a free agent. So if he stayed in their system the money's his.nshapiro
Jim Hyla
upprdeck
yeah i thought he had a 2 way deal with a small bonus. he is making 70K this yr in salary
Yes thanks. This idea that college players going pro earn millions has to be properly understood. The vast majority are 2 way and even then the signing bonus may be the only guaranteed monies. Sometimes they do have a few years guaranteed as well.
I know that Willcox received a 700K 'qualifying offer' last summer from the Flyers, and he has never played an NHL game. Is that not really what he makes if he is in the AHL?
Given that players have a very short window to make their money, and they and their families have sunk many years and dollars into preparation, signing bonuses and qualifying offers aren't really that much of a windfall unless they are enormous. They are basically a back end payment to compensate for all that effort -- they bring the athlete back to zero, after which he can start earning money (again, for only a very brief time).
Plus - yes, he received and accepted the qualifying offer, so he pocketed the $700k to restrict his free agency, but his contract renewal was still two-way. If he's not on the NHL roster he's still not earning a high annual salary.
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Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 13, 2019 03:04PM
Right, that's what I meant by the opportunity to start earning money. But he still has to crack the roster or he's off to business school.Beeeej
Plus - yes, he received and accepted the qualifying offer, so he pocketed the $700k to restrict his free agency, but his contract renewal was still two-way. If he's not on the NHL roster he's still not earning a high annual salary.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: coz (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 15, 2019 02:25PM
The qualifying offer is not real money. It's way of retaining RFA rights.
The current team must extend a "qualifying offer" to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player. Qualifying offers are for one year contracts. The minimum salary for the qualifying offer depends on the player's prior year salary.
Wilcox is currently making 95k this year and 125k next year.He, like some established AHL guys will make more than a typical 2-way deal.
As for Barron I think he can walk into Hartford's top-6 pretty easily, which is an indictment of their forwards but also how good I think he can be immediately.
The main thing in terms of development that the Rangers really look for is being dominant at the level you're playing at. I think Barron is getting there but isn't there yet plus a potential leadership role is something the Rangers would probably find beneficial for both them and Barron.
The current team must extend a "qualifying offer" to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player. Qualifying offers are for one year contracts. The minimum salary for the qualifying offer depends on the player's prior year salary.
Wilcox is currently making 95k this year and 125k next year.He, like some established AHL guys will make more than a typical 2-way deal.
As for Barron I think he can walk into Hartford's top-6 pretty easily, which is an indictment of their forwards but also how good I think he can be immediately.
The main thing in terms of development that the Rangers really look for is being dominant at the level you're playing at. I think Barron is getting there but isn't there yet plus a potential leadership role is something the Rangers would probably find beneficial for both them and Barron.
Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 15, 2019 04:16PM
coz
The qualifying offer is not real money. It's way of retaining RFA rights.
The current team must extend a "qualifying offer" to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player. Qualifying offers are for one year contracts. The minimum salary for the qualifying offer depends on the player's prior year salary.
Wilcox is currently making 95k this year and 125k next year.He, like some established AHL guys will make more than a typical 2-way deal.
As for Barron I think he can walk into Hartford's top-6 pretty easily, which is an indictment of their forwards but also how good I think he can be immediately.
The main thing in terms of development that the Rangers really look for is being dominant at the level you're playing at. I think Barron is getting there but isn't there yet plus a potential leadership role is something the Rangers would probably find beneficial for both them and Barron.
Thanks. What does the 700k number mean, then? Why not $7B? Or 70 cents?
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Re: Morgan Barron Profile
Posted by: coz (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 16, 2019 01:29PM
Trotsky
Thanks. What does the 700k number mean, then? Why not $7B? Or 70 cents?
From Wikipedia: "Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season's salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent."
AFAIK it's based on the NHL salary number and then the AHL salary is negotiated separately on 2-way deals. Probably so a guy isn't losing money before they get to the veterans minimum. Wilcox was on a minimum ELC and I think 700k is the standard QO for those guys. He obviously took less than the QO but I could see him doing that to get a better AHL deal.
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