2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by Trotsky
2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 01, 2019 10:25PM
Re: 2019-03-02: #11 Cornell at #13 Clarkson
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 02, 2019 01:12AM
Playoffstatus' odds for the final standing:
1 2 3 4 Cor .46 .08 .26 .20 Qpc .36 .37 .16 .10 Hvd .10 .28 .37 .24 Clk .08 .26 .20 .46
Re: 2019-03-02: #11 Cornell at #13 Clarkson
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: March 02, 2019 02:20PM
In this kind of road game, all one can reasonably hope for is a tie. A win would be icing on the cake.
A tie gets us a share of the regular-season "title" (if you care about those sorts of things) and at least the second seed in all permutations. I'd be very happy with that, considering.
A tie gets us a share of the regular-season "title" (if you care about those sorts of things) and at least the second seed in all permutations. I'd be very happy with that, considering.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2019 02:22PM by Scersk '97.
Re: 2019-03-02: #11 Cornell at #13 Clarkson
Posted by: CU2007 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 02, 2019 02:51PM
What’s the tie breaker with clarkson if we lose?
Re: 2019-03-02: #11 Cornell at #13 Clarkson
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 02, 2019 03:13PM
I believe the tiebreaker would be league wins--someone correct me if I'm wrong. I also think a tie would be above expectation, but we could really use a win.
Re: 2019-03-02: #11 Cornell at #13 Clarkson
Posted by: Dafatone (---.midco.net)
Date: March 02, 2019 03:26PM
BearLover
I believe the tiebreaker would be league wins--someone correct me if I'm wrong. I also think a tie would be above expectation, but we could really use a win.
It's head to head (we'd tie them) and then league wins (they'd win).
We have the tiebreaker over Harvard and lose it over Clarkson and Q. Long story short, Q wins any tiebreak they wind up in that we're also in. If we tie Harvard and Clarkson, we win that.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 02, 2019 09:51PM
1. 30 Qpc
2. 30 Cor
3. 28 Clk
4. 28 Hvd
Chalk would mean an early game SF rematch in Placid.
2. 30 Cor
3. 28 Clk
4. 28 Hvd
Chalk would mean an early game SF rematch in Placid.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: March 02, 2019 09:57PM
1. 30 Quinnipiac 30 Cornell 3. 28 Clarkson 28 Harvard 5. 23 Dartmouth 23 Yale 7. 22 Union 8. 21 Brown 9. 18 Princeton 10. 17 Colgate 11. 16 RPI 12. 8 SLU
Chalk in the first round would also mean we're the recipients of the Union shit sandwich in the second round.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2019 09:57PM by Scersk '97.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 02, 2019 09:57PM
Trotsky
1. 30 Qpc
2. 30 Cor
3. 28 Clk
4. 28 Hvd
Chalk would mean an early game SF rematch in Placid.
Wouldn't it be a late game rematch? Quinnipiac would play Harvard in the early game, no?
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 02, 2019 09:58PM
So, final standings and 1R matchups, according to ECAC site.
01 Qpc
02 Cor
03 Clk
04 Hvd
05 Drt
06 Yal
07 Uni
08 Brn
09 Prn
10 Cgt
11 RPI
12 SLU
12 SLU @ 05 Drt
11 RPI @ 06 Yal
10 Cgt @ 07 Uni
09 Prn @ 08 Brn
Not sure I trust them.
01 Qpc
02 Cor
03 Clk
04 Hvd
05 Drt
06 Yal
07 Uni
08 Brn
09 Prn
10 Cgt
11 RPI
12 SLU
12 SLU @ 05 Drt
11 RPI @ 06 Yal
10 Cgt @ 07 Uni
09 Prn @ 08 Brn
Not sure I trust them.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 02, 2019 09:59PM
Yes. I am an idiot.andyw2100
Trotsky
1. 30 Qpc
2. 30 Cor
3. 28 Clk
4. 28 Hvd
Chalk would mean an early game SF rematch in Placid.
Wouldn't it be a late game rematch? Quinnipiac would play Harvard in the early game, no?
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: March 02, 2019 10:01PM
Trotsky
Not sure I trust them.
John's script verifies, and I trust him.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Dafatone (---.midco.net)
Date: March 02, 2019 10:05PM
Another game against Clarkson wouldn't be bad, because this tie flipped our comparison with Arizona State (flipping common opponents), and maybe another win against Clarkson would flip it back.
However, I'm looking at the pairwise before tonight, and I swear we shouldn't have ever won it in the first place. We were behind in common opponents going into tonight. So, uh, yeah.
However, I'm looking at the pairwise before tonight, and I swear we shouldn't have ever won it in the first place. We were behind in common opponents going into tonight. So, uh, yeah.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 02, 2019 10:17PM
No, we were ahead of ASU on common opponents until tonight. The formula is taking an average of the winning percentage against each of the common opponents, not adding all the wins, losses and ties and figuring a percentage, It used to be the other way but was changed a few years ago.Dafatone
Another game against Clarkson wouldn't be bad, because this tie flipped our comparison with Arizona State (flipping common opponents), and maybe another win against Clarkson would flip it back.
However, I'm looking at the pairwise before tonight, and I swear we shouldn't have ever won it in the first place. We were behind in common opponents going into tonight. So, uh, yeah.
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Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-219-139.myvzw.com)
Date: March 02, 2019 10:46PM
jkahn
No, we were ahead of ASU on common opponents until tonight. The formula is taking an average of the winning percentage against each of the common opponents, not adding all the wins, losses and ties and figuring a percentage, It used to be the other way but was changed a few years ago.Dafatone
Another game against Clarkson wouldn't be bad, because this tie flipped our comparison with Arizona State (flipping common opponents), and maybe another win against Clarkson would flip it back.
However, I'm looking at the pairwise before tonight, and I swear we shouldn't have ever won it in the first place. We were behind in common opponents going into tonight. So, uh, yeah.
That's silly. Maybe it's silly either way. But we were 5-3 against common opponents, ASU was 5-2, and we were ahead.
Thanks for the explanation.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 02, 2019 11:10PM
Is the Cleary Cup "shared?" Cornell Sports seems to think we won it, so sharing it would be the only way the following is correct:
[www.facebook.com]
"Cornell Men’s Hockey locked up its second straight Cleary Cup with a 2-2 tie at Clarkson."
[www.facebook.com]
"Cornell Men’s Hockey locked up its second straight Cleary Cup with a 2-2 tie at Clarkson."
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 02, 2019 11:12PM
andyw2100
Is the Cleary Cup "shared?" Cornell Sports seems to think we won it, so sharing it would be the only way the following is correct:
[www.facebook.com]
"Cornell Men’s Hockey locked up its second straight Cleary Cup with a 2-2 tie at Clarkson."
I answered my own question. As per Wikipedia, it is shared:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: BMac (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: March 03, 2019 12:05AM
Oh, that’s nice to know.
One more banner at Lynah, I guess.
One more banner at Lynah, I guess.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: RichH (159.192.217.---)
Date: March 03, 2019 12:47AM
BMac
Oh, that’s nice to know.
One more banner at Lynah, I guess.
I don't think we hang banners for that in Lynah. The "ECAC Champions" banners you see are for years where Cornell wins the ECAC Championship.
Certainly not on the front page of tbrw, and Age hasn't updated that box in this forum in years.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: RichH (159.192.217.---)
Date: March 03, 2019 01:33AM
Scersk '97
1. 30 Quinnipiac 30 Cornell 3. 28 Clarkson 28 Harvard 5. 23 Dartmouth 23 Yale 7. 22 Union 8. 21 Brown 9. 18 Princeton 10. 17 Colgate 11. 16 RPI 12. 8 SLU
Chalk in the first round would also mean we're the recipients of the Union shit sandwich in the second round.
I saw someone post this week saying it would be good to avoid Brown, and I tend to agree. Yes, Union is also strong. But Brown looks like they're finding something in a similar way Princeton did last year. Maybe we had a letdown in Providence, but give them a little credit for scoring 3x to tie a game in 1 minute...that's just impressive no matter who you are.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: BMac (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: March 03, 2019 01:52AM
Hmm fair enough! God, I haven’t been physically in Lynah in way too long...
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 03, 2019 02:08AM
PWR after the dust settles:
5. Qpc 10. Clk 12. Cor 13. Hvd
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2019 02:08AM by Trotsky.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: March 03, 2019 08:00AM
RichH
Scersk '97
Chalk in the first round would also mean we're the recipients of the Union shit sandwich in the second round.
I saw someone post this week saying it would be good to avoid Brown, and I tend to agree. Yes, Union is also strong. But Brown looks like they're finding something in a similar way Princeton did last year. Maybe we had a letdown in Providence, but give them a little credit for scoring 3x to tie a game in 1 minute...that's just impressive no matter who you are.
Oh, if I got to choose who we'd play, I'd go for (in order) SLU, Princeton, Colgate, Dartmouth, RPI, Yale, Brown, Union.
I was also really impressed with Brown this year; it's all a land of "be careful what you wish for."
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 03, 2019 08:55AM
it's fine
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Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Dafatone (---.midco.net)
Date: March 03, 2019 11:48AM
RichH
Scersk '97
1. 30 Quinnipiac 30 Cornell 3. 28 Clarkson 28 Harvard 5. 23 Dartmouth 23 Yale 7. 22 Union 8. 21 Brown 9. 18 Princeton 10. 17 Colgate 11. 16 RPI 12. 8 SLU
Chalk in the first round would also mean we're the recipients of the Union shit sandwich in the second round.
I saw someone post this week saying it would be good to avoid Brown, and I tend to agree. Yes, Union is also strong. But Brown looks like they're finding something in a similar way Princeton did last year. Maybe we had a letdown in Providence, but give them a little credit for scoring 3x to tie a game in 1 minute...that's just impressive no matter who you are.
That's been me. It's so bewildering to see a hot Brown team that I'm scared of it. Plus, while Union's very good, at least playing them will be good for our RPI. Brown, we face a tough team that isn't going to help us in RPI as much.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 03, 2019 05:40PM
In addition to Barron failing to clear the puck on the tying goal, Schafer's postgame comments also suggest he made a mistake by going down to block an ensuing shot:
Highlights
Cornell lost the vast majority of "50-50" battles in this game. I have a hard time believing Clarkson was competing harder, so I guess it was injuries/exhaustion? As has mostly been the case lately, Galajda was solid.
Schafer
“The guys up top are supposed to be blocking shots. The guys underneath aren’t, [and] we didn’t pick guys up,” Schafer said, adding that the winning goal resembled a drill Cornell often runs in practice. “The puck came down, hit someone and landed right on their kid’s stick.”
Highlights
Cornell lost the vast majority of "50-50" battles in this game. I have a hard time believing Clarkson was competing harder, so I guess it was injuries/exhaustion? As has mostly been the case lately, Galajda was solid.
Re: 2019-03-02: Cornell 2 Clarkson 2 (ot)
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 03, 2019 09:08PM
BearLover
In addition to Barron failing to clear the puck on the tying goal, Schafer's postgame comments also suggest he made a mistake by going down to block an ensuing shot:
Schafer
“The guys up top are supposed to be blocking shots. The guys underneath aren’t, [and] we didn’t pick guys up,” Schafer said, adding that the winning goal resembled a drill Cornell often runs in practice. “The puck came down, hit someone and landed right on their kid’s stick.”
Highlights
Cornell lost the vast majority of "50-50" battles in this game. I have a hard time believing Clarkson was competing harder, so I guess it was injuries/exhaustion? As has mostly been the case lately, Galajda was solid.
I don't know, Barron got his glove on the puck. There were 2 Clarkson players down low, Betts had his player covered well, but Smith coming back was more interested in the shooter in the high slot, than the Clarkson player down low. The goal scorer was completely uncovered. I think that was the major defensive mistake on the goal.
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