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Bracketology 2016-17 Style

Posted by Jim Hyla 
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Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 22, 2016 06:54AM

Well, it is kind of absurd, but here's the first attempt that I've seen. I guess it gives all something to thick about/discuss at this slow time.

Here's the end result:

Midwest (Cincinnati, Ohio)

1. Penn State vs. 16. Army West Point

8. Ohio State vs. 10. Western Michigan

Northeast (Manchester, N.H.)

4. Harvard vs. 13 Notre Dame

5. Union vs. 12. Boston College

West (Fargo, N.D.)

2. Minnesota Duluth vs. 15. Bemidji State

7. UMass-Lowell vs. 9. North Dakota

East (Providence, R.I.)

3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell

6. Boston University vs. 11. Minnesota

I'd take it.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 22, 2016 03:25PM

Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.cws.sco.cisco.com)
Date: December 22, 2016 04:39PM

Interesting. My first instinct was to put Penn State in Providence, Harvard in Manchester, Denver in Cincinnati, and Duluth in Fargo. But when I worked it out, it moved Ohio State away from Cincinnati and gave crappy attendance there.

In theory, you could put the OSU/WMU pairing in Cincinnati with the BU/Minny pairing in Providence to improve the attendance, but why make two swaps when you could make none (and Cincinnati is only slightly further than Providence for Penn State).

Not to mention I like us in the east for a change. So I can live with this...until it changes in two weeks. innocent
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Swampy (---.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
Date: December 23, 2016 12:52AM

Jim Hyla
Well, it is kind of absurd, but here's the first attempt that I've seen. I guess it gives all something to thick about/discuss at this slow time.

Here's the end result:

Midwest (Cincinnati, Ohio)

1. Penn State vs. 16. Army West Point

8. Ohio State vs. 10. Western Michigan

Northeast (Manchester, N.H.)

4. Harvard vs. 13 Notre Dame

5. Union vs. 12. Boston College

West (Fargo, N.D.)

2. Minnesota Duluth vs. 15. Bemidji State

7. UMass-Lowell vs. 9. North Dakota

East (Providence, R.I.)

3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell

6. Boston University vs. 11. Minnesota

I'd take it.

Luv it. +5
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dia.static.marriott.com)
Date: December 23, 2016 08:44AM

ursusminor
[www.uscho.com]
This time last year we were projected as a 2 seed. Yeesh.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: marty (---.sub-70-209-130.myvzw.com)
Date: December 23, 2016 09:32AM

Trotsky
ursusminor
[www.uscho.com]
This time last year we were projected as a 2 seed. Yeesh.


I'm more interested in where we are at the end of February.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.cws.sco.cisco.com)
Date: December 23, 2016 12:04PM

marty
Trotsky
ursusminor
[www.uscho.com]
This time last year we were projected as a 2 seed. Yeesh.


I'm more interested in where we are at the end of February.

Or the middle of March.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 23, 2016 12:09PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
marty


I'm more interested in where we are at the end of February.

Or the middle of March.

Early April? Do I hear April? Anyone for April?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: BearLover (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 23, 2016 11:45PM

Time to start looking ahead to Denver
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: billhoward (---.sub-70-192-93.myvzw.com)
Date: December 26, 2016 02:53PM

andyw2100
Early April? Do I hear April? Anyone for April?
In early April, I'm hoping Jeff Teat will be pushing 50 points. I can't recall a player coming to Cornell so highly touted in any sport since ... Dryden? Marinaro? Dake? McEneaney or French? Ever?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dia.static.marriott.com)
Date: December 26, 2016 10:55PM

billhoward
andyw2100
Early April? Do I hear April? Anyone for April?
In early April, I'm hoping Jeff Teat will be pushing 50 points. I can't recall a player coming to Cornell so highly touted in any sport since ... Dryden? Marinaro? Dake? McEneaney or French? Ever?
The fuck is "Jeff Teat"?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: dag14 (---.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com)
Date: December 27, 2016 10:11AM

Rebecca Johnston. She, too, was the #1 recruit in her class.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Give My Regards (98.159.210.---)
Date: December 27, 2016 11:07AM



 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 27, 2016 11:48AM

Attackman Jeff Teat '20 is the latest (only?) Cornell recruit written about in Sports Illustrated. In lacrosse.
[www.si.com]

[www.insidelacrosse.com] ranks him the #1 recruit and A Ryan Maloney ranks #45.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: mas1969 (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 27, 2016 11:49AM

billhoward
andyw2100
Early April? Do I hear April? Anyone for April?
I can't recall a player coming to Cornell so highly touted in any sport since ... Dryden? Marinaro? Dake? McEneaney or French? Ever?

In 1964, Gordon Lowe was drafted #15, in the third round, by the NY Rangers. Ken Dryden was drafted by the Boston Bruins, the #14 pick. There were four rounds in the draft that year. Lowe, of course, went on to play for Cornell, graduating in 1970.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dia.static.marriott.com)
Date: December 27, 2016 03:45PM

billhoward
Attackman Jeff Teat '20 is the latest (only?) Cornell recruit written about in Sports Illustrated. In lacrosse.
[www.si.com]

[www.insidelacrosse.com] ranks him the #1 recruit and A Ryan Maloney ranks #45.
I figured given the thread he might have something to do with hockey. Carry on.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 28, 2016 07:09AM

Trotsky
billhoward
Attackman Jeff Teat '20 is the latest (only?) Cornell recruit written about in Sports Illustrated. In lacrosse.
[www.si.com]

[www.insidelacrosse.com] ranks him the #1 recruit and A Ryan Maloney ranks #45.
I figured given the thread he might have something to do with hockey. Carry on.

Well, he is from Canada.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 05, 2017 06:59AM

Here's this week.

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):

13 Ohio State vs. 4 Harvard
10 Minnesota vs. 5 Massachusetts-Lowell

Northeast Regional (Manchester):

14 Boston College vs. 3 Denver
11 Vermont vs. 8 Union

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):

15 Air Force vs. 2 Penn State
12 Notre Dame vs. 7 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):

16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 North Dakota vs. 6 Boston University

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 5
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 12, 2017 10:50AM

Here's this week.

As #15 in PWR we got bounced because the AH and WCHA leaders were not in top 16 teams.

This week’s brackets

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Harvard
11 Minnesota vs. 6 Massachusetts-Lowell

East Regional (Providence):
14 St. Lawrence vs. 4 Minnesota-Duluth
9 Union vs. 5 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Penn State
12 Boston College vs. 8 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):
13 Ohio State vs. 3 Denver
10 Vermont vs. 7 North Dakota

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 4
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 3
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 18, 2017 05:58PM

This week

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Minnesota-Duluth
10 Vermont vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Ohio State vs. 4 Boston University
11 Cornell vs. 5 Massachusetts-Lowell

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Air Force vs. 1 Penn State
9 Western Michigan vs. 8 Minnesota

West Regional (Fargo):
16 Bemidji State vs. 2 Denver
12 Harvard vs. 7 North Dakota

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 4
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 3
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

If offered, I'd take it today.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.129.41.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 18, 2017 09:21PM

I wound up with this by simply ranking 1-16 but them swapping UVM and us.

East Regional (Providence):
15 Air Force vs. 1 Penn State
9 Western Michigan vs. 8 Minnesota

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Minnesota-Duluth
10 Vermont vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Ohio State vs. 4 Boston University
12 Harvard. 5 Massachusetts-Lowell

West Regional (Fargo):
16 Bemidji State vs. 2 Denver
11 Cornell vs. 7 North Dakota

Attendance not great, but it preserves the rankings.

I like the USCHO version better.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 18, 2017 11:09PM

What this tells me is keep winning. :-)
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: January 19, 2017 09:34AM

first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: adamw (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 19, 2017 09:58AM

upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: January 19, 2017 10:04AM

adamw
upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

Indeed. Also the avoid conference matchups and increase attendance decrees can really harm a team. See 2003, when we were #1 overall but didn't get a cupcake from the MAAC or CHA in the first round. Schafer was not happy.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: djk26 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 19, 2017 10:48AM

When is Schafer ever happy? Mad...that's how we want him. upto
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: January 19, 2017 11:26AM

adamw
upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

but it does matter in the context of how many ecac teams get in.

right now we are in the east because we are ahead of harvard in the PWR. if we stay one of the top 2 ECAC teams , much better chance of staying home. if we become the top ECAC team its almost a lock.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 19, 2017 11:33AM

Win enough to get in as at least a 3-seed, thus avoiding a 1-seed in the First Round.

After that, it's really just a crapshoot.

tl; dr:

1. Get in.
2. Get into the top 12.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/2017 11:34AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.cws.sco.cisco.com)
Date: January 19, 2017 05:06PM

adamw
upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

It is if we get one of the top 4 seeds this year, because I doubt three eastern schools will be in the top 4. And Penn State is equidistant from Providence and Cincinnati, so they can go to either.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: adamw (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2017 02:37PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
adamw
upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

It is if we get one of the top 4 seeds this year, because I doubt three eastern schools will be in the top 4. And Penn State is equidistant from Providence and Cincinnati, so they can go to either.

Sure, but I wasn't even going there. I'd be pleasantly very surprised if that happens.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: adamw (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2017 02:37PM

upprdeck
right now we are in the east because we are ahead of harvard in the PWR. if we stay one of the top 2 ECAC teams , much better chance of staying home. if we become the top ECAC team its almost a lock.

None of that is necessarily true.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2017 05:45PM

I think it is.. you have to go back 10+ years to find a ECAC team that was a top 8 seed that didnt play in the east or NE bracket. Pretty good odds no ECAC team is a top 4 seed and that we dont have 3 ECAC teams in the top 8..

I didnt find any instance of the top ECAC team not playing in the east/NE going back that far.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: jkahn (---.73.146.216.biz.sta.networkgci.net)
Date: January 23, 2017 06:29PM

upprdeck
I think it is.. you have to go back 10+ years to find a ECAC team that was a top 8 seed that didnt play in the east or NE bracket. Pretty good odds no ECAC team is a top 4 seed and that we dont have 3 ECAC teams in the top 8..

I didnt find any instance of the top ECAC team not playing in the east/NE going back that far.
But just going back a little further:
2006 #8 Cornell in Green Bay
2005 #5 Cornell in Minneapolis

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 23, 2017 07:38PM

jkahn
upprdeck
I think it is.. you have to go back 10+ years to find a ECAC team that was a top 8 seed that didnt play in the east or NE bracket. Pretty good odds no ECAC team is a top 4 seed and that we dont have 3 ECAC teams in the top 8..

I didnt find any instance of the top ECAC team not playing in the east/NE going back that far.
But just going back a little further:
2006 #8 Cornell in Green Bay
2005 #5 Cornell in Minneapolis

But of course because it was us cuss
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2017 07:51PM

but that is the point.. since then it really has become location and attendance/money driven when making the brackets.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.129.41.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 23, 2017 08:07PM

adamw
Jeff Hopkins '82
adamw
upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

It is if we get one of the top 4 seeds this year, because I doubt three eastern schools will be in the top 4. And Penn State is equidistant from Providence and Cincinnati, so they can go to either.

Sure, but I wasn't even going there. I'd be pleasantly very surprised if that happens.

You and me both, friend. You and me both. banana

But I am an engineer, so I can be a bit literal at times. whistle
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: marty (---.sub-70-209-138.myvzw.com)
Date: January 23, 2017 08:13PM

upprdeck
but that is the point.. since then it really has become location and attendance/money driven when making the brackets.

That is the official NCAA line. And the committee gave Providence a huge gift in'15 (for love or money).

When we were sent west to Wisconsin and Minnesota it seemed like punishment. Maybe those days are over but each year is different. Some brackets fill themselves yet that certainly isn't the case every year. I never thought the Friars would stay east. (Brown was the host at that regional.)

AKA there are no absolutes when the seeding is done.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 25, 2017 05:18PM

Here's this week's.

East Regional (Providence):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Penn State
10 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Harvard vs. 4 Boston University
11 Cornell vs. 5 Western Michigan

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
16 Canisius vs. 2 Denver
9 Vermont vs. 8 Ohio State

West Regional (Fargo):
15 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
12 North Dakota vs. 7 Minnesota

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 4
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 3
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1
Movement

In: Canisius
Out: Air Force

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

I'd be happy. Our regional should certainly be well attended and should be good hockey to watch.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 25, 2017 11:45PM

Jim Hyla
I'd be happy. Our regional should certainly be well attended and should be good hockey to watch.

I'd be over-the-moon thrilled. If we pull off the upset over WMU, we've got either Harvard or BU next. Imagine Cornell vs. Harvard for a slot in the Frozen Four? F*cking epic.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.cws.sco.cisco.com)
Date: January 26, 2017 07:29AM

Beeeej
Jim Hyla
I'd be happy. Our regional should certainly be well attended and should be good hockey to watch.

I'd be over-the-moon thrilled. If we pull off the upset over WMU, we've got either Harvard or BU next. Imagine Cornell vs. Harvard for a slot in the Frozen Four? F*cking epic.

Only if we win. If we lose...f-ing devastating.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: adamw (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 26, 2017 11:03PM

upprdeck
but that is the point.. since then it really has become location and attendance/money driven when making the brackets.

Not entirely, and it fluctuates, and only in the last couple years has that been an overriding concern. Not trying to be argumentative, but the bottom line is that winning more doesn't necessarily get you an Eastern regional. It really all depends upon who the other teams are, where your natural slot falls, etc...
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 27, 2017 02:31AM

adamw
upprdeck
but that is the point.. since then it really has become location and attendance/money driven when making the brackets.

Not entirely, and it fluctuates, and only in the last couple years has that been an overriding concern. Not trying to be argumentative, but the bottom line is that winning more doesn't necessarily get you an Eastern regional. It really all depends upon who the other teams are, where your natural slot falls, etc...

A scenario that proves Adam's point would be to have 3 of the top 4 seeded teams be from the east. If Penn State, BU and Union all all in the top 4 only 2 of them stay east.

Currently we have BU and Western Michigan at 4 and 5. If BU falls to #5 then one of the top 3 teams would be from the west but traveling east.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: January 27, 2017 08:39AM

thats an issue for the bracket at large but this is a conversation about where cornell will go. the top 4 seeds have different bracket integrity rules than the other seeds
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-221-1.myvzw.com)
Date: January 27, 2017 09:13AM

upprdeck
thats an issue for the bracket at large but this is a conversation about where cornell will go. the top 4 seeds have different bracket integrity rules than the other seeds

Cornell is not a host. If we land 3 or 4 behind two other eastern teams we could be on a plane traveling west! This is all a wonderful dream.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.cws.sco.cisco.com)
Date: January 27, 2017 12:07PM

One other thing is that North Dakota is a host. If we can stay in the same band as them, it takes away one chance of being shipped west.
 
Effect of jet lag on baseball players
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: January 28, 2017 04:55PM

This is as good a place as any to call attention to this recent study of the effect of jet lag on baseball players. The Chicago Tribune reports on a Northwestern University press release regarding a study published in the Procedings of the National Academy of Science. (abstract)
Article abstract
Laboratory studies have demonstrated that circadian clocks align physiology and behavior to 24-h environmental cycles. Examination of athletic performance has been used to discern the functions of these clocks in humans outside of controlled settings. Here, we examined the effects of jet lag, that is, travel that shifts the alignment of 24-h environmental cycles relative to the endogenous circadian clock, on specific performance metrics in Major League Baseball. Accounting for potential differences in home and away performance, travel direction, and team confounding variables, we observed that jet-lag effects were largely evident after eastward travel with very limited effects after westward travel, consistent with the >24-h period length of the human circadian clock. Surprisingly, we found that jet lag impaired major parameters of home-team offensive performance, for example, slugging percentage, but did not similarly affect away-team offensive performance. On the other hand, jet lag impacted both home and away defensive performance. Remarkably, the vast majority of these effects for both home and away teams could be explained by a single measure, home runs allowed. Rather than uniform effects, these results reveal surprisingly specific effects of circadian misalignment on athletic performance under natural conditions.
I don't have the energy to do thorough review, but my gut reaction is that they have looked at enough different measures that you might expect statistical fluctuations to push a few of the measures into the range they have declared to be statistically significant.
 
Lions and Tigers and Deerticks, oh my
Posted by: marty (---.sub-70-211-136.myvzw.com)
Date: January 29, 2017 07:42AM

marty
upprdeck
thats an issue for the bracket at large but this is a conversation about where cornell will go. the top 4 seeds have different bracket integrity rules than the other seeds

Cornell is not a host. If we land 3 or 4 behind two other eastern teams we could be on a plane traveling west! This is all a wonderful dream.

Last night the Deerticks lost to ASU which will hurt the ECAC. OTOH Princeton shocked Penn State which should help us if we get back to winning.

And to further Adam's point, as of this morning Western Michigan as the 4 seed would be traveling east for the regionals.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2017 07:55AM by marty.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: February 01, 2017 02:03PM

I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 01, 2017 02:23PM

CU2007
I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys
Oh cool, an optimist.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 01, 2017 02:38PM

Okay here it is. Obviously we're out.

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):
16 Canisius vs. 2 Denver
11 Providence vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
14 Wisconsin vs. 3 Boston University
10 Boston College vs. 8 Harvard

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
13 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 4 Western Michigan
12 Vermont vs. 5 Penn State

West Regional (Fargo):
15 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 North Dakota vs. 7 Minnesota

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 5
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1
Movement

In: Wisconsin, Providence
Out: Ohio State, Cornell

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

If it were to stay like this, Manchester would be fun to watch.

 
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Re: Lions and Tigers and Deerticks, oh my
Posted by: marty (47.147.88.---)
Date: February 01, 2017 03:04PM

marty
marty
upprdeck
thats an issue for the bracket at large but this is a conversation about where cornell will go. the top 4 seeds have different bracket integrity rules than the other seeds

Cornell is not a host. If we land 3 or 4 behind two other eastern teams we could be on a plane traveling west! This is all a wonderful dream.

Last night the Deerticks lost to ASU which will hurt the ECAC. OTOH Princeton shocked Penn State which should help us if we get back to winning.

And to further Adam's point, as of this morning Western Michigan as the 4 seed would be traveling east for the regionals.

I was wrong and Denver might be pissed if the season ended today but here is why Adam is right:

Brackets
This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):
16 Canisius vs. 2 Denver
11 Providence vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
14 Wisconsin vs. 3 Boston University
10 Boston College vs. 8 Harvard

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
13 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 4 Western Michigan
12 Vermont vs. 5 Penn State

West Regional (Fargo):
15 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 North Dakota vs. 7 Minnesota
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: February 01, 2017 03:35PM

ugarte
CU2007
I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys
Oh cool, an optimist.

Well given our current position, it wouldn't matter. So yes, you could easily argue that it is optimistic.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 01, 2017 03:40PM

CU2007
I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys
We'll see. We're not in a deep hole and I firmly believe we will make it to Lake Placid where anything can happen. The question is are they the guys who took care of an excellent SLU squad or the guys who choked last weekend?

I really want to believe the former. The thing is we don't have to guess. They'll show us.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: marty (---.sub-70-197-78.myvzw.com)
Date: February 01, 2017 08:59PM

Trotsky
CU2007
I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys
We'll see. We're not in a deep hole and I firmly believe we will make it to Lake Placid where anything can happen. The question is are they the guys who took care of an excellent SLU squad or the guys who choked last weekend?

I really want to believe the former. The thing is we don't have to guess. They'll show us.

And the up side is that when they "show us" some of us will be watching division one college hockey. I've always enjoyed watching a good hockey game. ;-)
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 05, 2017 12:12AM

Up to 13 and back in the NCAAs.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: February 06, 2017 11:03AM

Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: nshapiro (192.148.195.---)
Date: February 06, 2017 11:55AM

Is there some reason that the RPIs on the USCHO pairwise page are different from the RPIs on the RPI Page?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 06, 2017 12:01PM

CU2007
Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.
A FEW TOO MANY ASSUMPTIONS BAKED INTO THIS QUESTION FOR MY HEART!

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 06, 2017 12:29PM

CU2007
Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.

There may be "seemingly easy" wins, but there are no "easy wins."

Also finishing high enough to get the bye, vs finishing in 5th place has improved pairwise results built in. I'll take the bye!
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 06, 2017 12:30PM

CU2007
Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.
Considering how bad the records of RPI and Brown, one of which will likely be 12th, are. I doubt that those wins would be worth much.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 06, 2017 12:47PM

ursusminor
CU2007
Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.
Considering how bad the records of RPI and Brown, one of which will likely be 12th, are. I doubt that those wins would be worth much.

Nor necessarily easy!

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: February 06, 2017 02:37PM

All fair points. I'm not an expert on the calculations, so it was more just the thought that you'd be given the opportunity to win two extra games that popped into my mind and then presumably end up in the same 4-5 quarterfinal, albeit on the road.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: GBR1234 (38.81.99.---)
Date: February 06, 2017 05:38PM

For those far more familiar with pairwise than me... would it be better for Harvard or Northeastern to win tonight for improving or maintaining CU's #13 pairwise ranking?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 06, 2017 06:00PM

doesnt it pretty much net out ? but it would help they win the 2nd game
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 08, 2017 07:38AM

This week.

East Regional (Providence):
14 Vermont vs. 4 Minnesota
10 Boston College vs. 7 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Cornell vs. 3 Boston University
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 5 Harvard

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Denver
11 Penn State vs. 6 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 North Dakota vs. 8 Providence
Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 5
NCHC — 4
ECAC Hockey — 3
Big Ten — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1
Movement

In: Cornell, Air Force
Out: Wisconsin, Canisius



His second choice is:

East Regional (Providence):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Denver
11 Penn State vs. 8 Providence

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Cornell vs. 3 Boston University
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 7 Union

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
10 Boston College vs. 6 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):
14 Vermont vs. 4 Minnesota
9 North Dakota vs. 5 Harvard

I don't like it as it rewards #8 Providence, just for being in Providence, and punishes Harvard.

I'm not one of the Harvard haters. I'd rather preserve "good play gives good results".

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

 
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2017 07:46AM by Jim Hyla.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: February 08, 2017 10:58AM

i wonder why providence wasnt the host and brown was? dont sometime schools split it?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 08, 2017 11:58AM

upprdeck
i wonder why providence wasnt the host and brown was? dont sometime schools split it?
If they elect to bid together. Maybe Brown doesn't want to subject their Athletic Department to the work of being the host school if the chances of getting the home ice advantage are close to zero.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 08, 2017 12:03PM

ugarte
upprdeck
i wonder why providence wasnt the host and brown was? dont sometime schools split it?
If they elect to bid together. Maybe Brown doesn't want to subject their Athletic Department to the work of being the host school if the chances of getting the home ice advantage are close to zero.

? But Brown is the host school.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: February 08, 2017 12:54PM

I wonder why they dont jointly host in hope 1 gets in and that one does the heavy lifting when it gets closer. maybe they cant anymore?

Cornell never hosts and it could keep us close some years if its in buffalo or albany, but it would be work our Ath dept doesnt deem worthy of the effort.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 08, 2017 01:53PM

Jim Hyla
ugarte
upprdeck
i wonder why providence wasnt the host and brown was? dont sometime schools split it?
If they elect to bid together. Maybe Brown doesn't want to subject their Athletic Department to the work of being the host school if the chances of getting the home ice advantage are close to zero.

? But Brown is the host school.
lol

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: nshapiro (192.148.195.---)
Date: February 08, 2017 04:20PM

If two schools bid together, and both get in, does that mean both of them are guaranteed to be in that region?

What if the co-hosts are in the same group of 4?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2017 12:50PM

This week's.

This week’s brackets (His first choice)

East Regional (Providence):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Harvard
11 Union vs. 8 Providence

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Cornell vs. 4 Minnesota
12 St. Cloud State vs. 5 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Denver
9 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 7 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
10 North Dakota vs. 6 Penn State

Conference breakdowns

NCHC — 5
Hockey East — 4
ECAC Hockey — 3
Big Ten — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Movement

In: St. Cloud State
Out: Vermont

To keep #1 UMD out of Fargo and UND (Second Choice)

East Regional (Providence):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Harvard
12 St. Cloud State vs. 8 Providence

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Denver
11 Union vs. 5 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 6 Penn State

West Regional (Fargo):
13 Cornell vs. 4 Minnesota
10 North Dakota vs. 7 Western Michigan

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

Fortunately for us, he does prefer the first choice.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 15, 2017 01:00PM

West Regional (Fargo):
13 Cornell vs. 4 Minnesota
10 North Dakota vs. 7 Western Michigan

Shit like that is why it's important not to leave any points on the table from here on out.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2017 01:00PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 15, 2017 03:51PM

Trotsky
West Regional (Fargo):
13 Cornell vs. 4 Minnesota
10 North Dakota vs. 7 Western Michigan

Shit like that is why it's important not to leave any points on the table from here on out.

Absolutely. I understand that at least one Harvard alum, Billy Bob Thorton, was living in the Fargo area. so Harvard would be a better choice for Fargo.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 16, 2017 09:00AM

Adam Wodon's recent article on Pairwise was about the best explanation of the process I've read recently. I wasn't aware that a team under .500 was ineligible for the
tournament by rule. This makes me feel a little better about St Cloud. While weekly projections are fun, Adam is correct that they basically are meaningless until
the last week and conference playoffs. Another observation which is pointed out is the issues that North Dakota hosting creates. To not put the top seed there because of a
potential match up with them in a regional final seems to give reason to not allow teams to host on their own ice. Teams hosting regionals in their area makes sense but at
the schools themselves. Harvard or BU being forced to Fargo to eliminate a Duluth vs ND match up in the 2nd round is clearly wrong. Let's also not forget that North Dakota
plays on an Olympic size sheet. At least playing at Lake Placid the week before might help in that regard. Going to be interesting over the next three weeks to see how the committee
places tems.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 16, 2017 09:15AM

wakester2468
I wasn't aware that a team under .500 was ineligible for the tournament by rule. This makes me feel a little better about St Cloud.

Not that I necessarily expect everyone to read every post (though the PWR certainly seems to be a keen interest of yours), but someone pointed that out in this forum several days ago in response to that exact concern.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 16, 2017 09:44AM

To me, bracketology is not an obsession but rather a way to keep interest flowing during the week awaiting weekend games. As previously stated, the actual match ups it creates
during the season are irrelevant but what it does provide is weekly analysis as to trends and what to expect to see how the committee might view things with all of the possibilities. I enjoy reading both Jason Moy and especially Adam Wodon with his close connection to the Big Red.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: February 16, 2017 11:24AM

Worth pointing out that St. Cloud has to head to Denver for two games this weekend, where a sweep would put them back under .500 but a win might drastically improve their RPI.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 16, 2017 02:10PM

wakester2468
Adam Wodon's recent article on Pairwise was about the best explanation of the process I've read recently. I wasn't aware that a team under .500 was ineligible for the
tournament by rule. This makes me feel a little better about St Cloud. While weekly projections are fun, Adam is correct that they basically are meaningless until
the last week and conference playoffs. Another observation which is pointed out is the issues that North Dakota hosting creates. To not put the top seed there because of a
potential match up with them in a regional final seems to give reason to not allow teams to host on their own ice. Teams hosting regionals in their area makes sense but at
the schools themselves. Harvard or BU being forced to Fargo to eliminate a Duluth vs ND match up in the 2nd round is clearly wrong. Let's also not forget that North Dakota
plays on an Olympic size sheet. At least playing at Lake Placid the week before might help in that regard. Going to be interesting over the next three weeks to see how the committee
places tems.

Note, a little research would have pointed out:

UND plays at Ralph Engelstad Arena in Grand Forks, ND.

The NCAA is at Scheels Arena in Fargo, ND.

Both rinks are 85 ft ice sheets. Although UND does have a practice Olympic sized 100 ft sheet. That probably dates back to old WCHA days, when their main opponent was Minny.

So the NCAA hosted by UND is not being played on their own rink. In fact they are 82 miles apart, but Scheels will be packed with UND fans. Thus not wanting to put #1 seed there.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 16, 2017 03:06PM

Good info on your part albeit a little snarky.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 16, 2017 03:23PM

Wait. Are you telling me there are two different towns in North Dakota, because I'm not sure I believe that.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: February 16, 2017 03:50PM

Trotsky
Wait. Are you telling me there are two different towns in North Dakota, because I'm not sure I believe that.

For the last time, that antenna doesn't count.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 16, 2017 04:12PM

RichH
Trotsky
Wait. Are you telling me there are two different towns in North Dakota, because I'm not sure I believe that.

For the last time, that antenna doesn't count.

I just want to say that I for one never stopped being 12 years old.


The tower was built by Hamilton Erection Company of York, South Carolina
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.20.---)
Date: February 17, 2017 08:53AM

Trotsky
RichH
Trotsky
Wait. Are you telling me there are two different towns in North Dakota, because I'm not sure I believe that.

For the last time, that antenna doesn't count.

I just want to say that I for one never stopped being 12 years old.


The tower was built by Hamilton Erection Company of York, South Carolina

I don't care who ya are, that's funny.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 07:53AM

Here's this week's and now Adam discusses CHN's Pairwise Probability Matrix.

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):

14 Air Force vs. 3 Harvard
9 Providence vs. 7 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):

15 Boston College vs. 4 Minnesota
10 Cornell vs. 6 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):

16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Denver
11 Penn State vs. 5 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):

13 Ohio State vs. 2 Minnesota-Duluth
12 St. Cloud State vs. 8 Massachusetts-Lowell

OR (You decide)

East Regional (Providence):

14 Air Force vs. 3 Harvard
9 Providence vs. 7 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):

16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Denver
10 Cornell vs. 6 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):

13 Ohio State vs. 2 Minnesota-Duluth
11 Penn State vs. 5 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):

15 Boston College vs. 4 Minnesota
12 St. Cloud State vs. 8 Massachusetts-Lowell
Conference breakdowns


NCHC — 4
Hockey East — 4
ECAC Hockey — 3
Big Ten — 3
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Movement

In: Ohio State
Out: North Dakota 

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

UND being out makes for interesting discussion about Fargo.

Personally I don't like the second choice, which is done to improve attendance in Cincinnati. You reward a 13 seed.

Also if we were to get by BU, I'd rather face Minny than DU.

And as an aside, for anyone who doesn't think changing a coach can make a big difference, just look at DU.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 08:17AM

For weeks and for that matter years, Jason Moy in calculating Bracketology and the 16 teams to qualify for the NCAA"s, finds it necessary to give an
automatic bid to the team that is currently in 1st place in their conference. Does this assume that they will win their conference playoffs and get an automatic bid?
This the case with BC yet not the same with Canisius albeit they have one few game less than AF. The one or two team difference because of this method changes
completely brackets and the forecast. I still think Adam's pairwise matrix makes so much more sense It factors in both chances of getting an at at large bid along
the odds of the automatic qualifier.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.20.---)
Date: February 22, 2017 09:38AM

wakester2468
For weeks and for that matter years, Jason Moy in calculating Bracketology and the 16 teams to qualify for the NCAA"s, finds it necessary to give an
automatic bid to the team that is currently in 1st place in their conference. Does this assume that they will win their conference playoffs and get an automatic bid?
This the case with BC yet not the same with Canisius albeit they have one few game less than AF. The one or two team difference because of this method changes
completely brackets and the forecast. I still think Adam's pairwise matrix makes so much more sense It factors in both chances of getting an at at large bid along
the odds of the automatic qualifier.

He uses points percentage (not total points) to award the automatic bid in order to compensate for team's having played differing numbers of games.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 11:04AM

I'd be curious to do a sensitivity analysis on the Probability Matrix. For example, how screwed are we if we lose to RPI? Or how important are two St. Cloud losses? Is there some other result our of our control that could push us up to a 2-seed in the NCAA tourney?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 12:40PM

KenP
I'd be curious to do a sensitivity analysis on the Probability Matrix. For example, how screwed are we if we lose to RPI? Or how important are two St. Cloud losses? Is there some other result our of our control that could push us up to a 2-seed in the NCAA tourney?

If anything, I suspect winning the ECAC tournament might do the trick.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 12:59PM

Swampy
KenP
I'd be curious to do a sensitivity analysis on the Probability Matrix. For example, how screwed are we if we lose to RPI? Or how important are two St. Cloud losses? Is there some other result our of our control that could push us up to a 2-seed in the NCAA tourney?

If anything, I suspect winning the ECAC tournament might do the trick.
Okay, so let's go from there. If we win the ECAC tournament, what is our highest or lowest possible seed? Does that guarantee a #2 seed? Can we get a #2 seed without winning the Whitelaw Cup?
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: KGR11 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 01:45PM

Jim Hyla

Also if we were to get by BU, I'd rather face Minny than DU.

Also if we were to get by BU, I'd rather face BC than Bemidji. #2009
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 01:47PM

KenP
If we win the ECAC tournament, what is our highest or lowest possible seed? Does that guarantee a #2 seed? Can we get a #2 seed without winning the Whitelaw Cup?

PlayoffStatus still has us at a non-zero chance of the #1 overall seed in the tourney. So there's the highest possible seed right there. :-)

If we were to win out and along the way take out both Union and Harvard, we'd probably be in very good shape for at worst a 2.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2017 01:49PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 02:06PM

Trotsky
KenP
If we win the ECAC tournament, what is our highest or lowest possible seed? Does that guarantee a #2 seed? Can we get a #2 seed without winning the Whitelaw Cup?

PlayoffStatus still has us at a non-zero chance of the #1 overall seed in the tourney. So there's the highest possible seed right there. :-)

If we were to win out and along the way take out both Union and Harvard, we'd probably be in very good shape for at worst a 2.
Based on their red-green color designations, Cornell controls their own destiny for the #8 spot, i.e. a #2 bracket seeding.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 22, 2017 02:16PM

KenP
Trotsky
KenP
If we win the ECAC tournament, what is our highest or lowest possible seed? Does that guarantee a #2 seed? Can we get a #2 seed without winning the Whitelaw Cup?

PlayoffStatus still has us at a non-zero chance of the #1 overall seed in the tourney. So there's the highest possible seed right there. :-)

If we were to win out and along the way take out both Union and Harvard, we'd probably be in very good shape for at worst a 2.
Based on their red-green color designations, Cornell controls their own destiny for the #8 spot, i.e. a #2 bracket seeding.

So if I understand correctly, they're saying that a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid would result in a #8 finish or above, period, no matter what else occurs?

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 02:49PM

Beeeej
So if I understand correctly, they're saying that a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid would result in a #8 finish or above, period, no matter what else occurs?
I believe this is correct except it is #7 or above.

Likewise, this says that we are guaranteed to make the tourney by winning out except for the conference final.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2017 02:53PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 22, 2017 02:52PM

Trotsky
Beeeej
So if I understand correctly, they're saying that a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid would result in a #8 finish or above, period, no matter what else occurs?
I believe this is correct except it is #7 or above.

Doesn't the red % under #7 mean we don't control our destiny for that spot? And doesn't that mean that #7 isn't guaranteed with a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid regardless of external factors?

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 02:54PM

Beeeej
Doesn't the red % under #7 mean we don't control our destiny for that spot? And doesn't that mean that #7 isn't guaranteed with a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid regardless of external factors?
Yes. I am an idiot. The green is where we are guaranteed with a win out with no help: #8 and lower.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2017 02:55PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 22, 2017 02:55PM

Trotsky
Beeeej
Doesn't the red % under #7 mean we don't control our destiny for that spot? And doesn't that mean that #7 isn't guaranteed with a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid regardless of external factors?
Yes. I am an idiot. The green is where we are guaranteed with a win out with no help: #8 and lower.

Okay, cool. Thanks.

 
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Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 03:00PM

Finally, according to this, our probabilities for tourney advance are currently:

.85 Tourney
.42 QF
.19 SF
.09 F
.04 That Which Shall Be Nameless
 
Re: Bracketology 2016-17 Style
Posted by: Hooking (---.res.bhn.net)
Date: February 22, 2017 05:20PM

I love it when Cornell wins. I don't give a rat's ass whether possible future opponents win or lose, until they play Cornell. Except for Harvard.
 
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