Bracketology 2016-17 Style

Midwest (Cincinnati, Ohio)

1. Penn State vs. 16. Army West Point

8. Ohio State vs. 10. Western Michigan

Northeast (Manchester, N.H.)

4. Harvard vs. 13 Notre Dame

5. Union vs. 12. Boston College

West (Fargo, N.D.)

2. Minnesota Duluth vs. 15. Bemidji State

7. UMass-Lowell vs. 9. North Dakota

East (Providence, R.I.)

3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell

6. Boston University vs. 11. Minnesota

Jim Hyla
Well, it is kind of absurd, but here's the first attempt that I've seen. I guess it gives all something to thick about/discuss at this slow time.

Here's the end result:

Midwest (Cincinnati, Ohio)

1. Penn State vs. 16. Army West Point

8. Ohio State vs. 10. Western Michigan

Northeast (Manchester, N.H.)

4. Harvard vs. 13 Notre Dame

5. Union vs. 12. Boston College

West (Fargo, N.D.)

2. Minnesota Duluth vs. 15. Bemidji State

7. UMass-Lowell vs. 9. North Dakota

East (Providence, R.I.)

3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell

6. Boston University vs. 11. Minnesota

I'd take it.

ursusminor
[www.uscho.com]

Trotsky

ursusminor
[www.uscho.com]

This time last year we were projected as a 2 seed. Yeesh.

marty

Trotsky

ursusminor
[www.uscho.com]

This time last year we were projected as a 2 seed. Yeesh.

I'm more interested in where we are at the end of February.

Jeff Hopkins '82

marty


I'm more interested in where we are at the end of February.

Or the middle of March.

andyw2100
Early April? Do I hear April? Anyone for April?

billhoward

andyw2100
Early April? Do I hear April? Anyone for April?

In early April, I'm hoping Jeff Teat will be pushing 50 points. I can't recall a player coming to Cornell so highly touted in any sport since ... Dryden? Marinaro? Dake? McEneaney or French? Ever?

billhoward

andyw2100
Early April? Do I hear April? Anyone for April?

I can't recall a player coming to Cornell so highly touted in any sport since ... Dryden? Marinaro? Dake? McEneaney or French? Ever?

billhoward
Attackman Jeff Teat '20 is the latest (only?) Cornell recruit written about in Sports Illustrated. In lacrosse.
[www.si.com]

[www.insidelacrosse.com] ranks him the #1 recruit and A Ryan Maloney ranks #45.

Trotsky

billhoward
Attackman Jeff Teat '20 is the latest (only?) Cornell recruit written about in Sports Illustrated. In lacrosse.
[www.si.com]

[www.insidelacrosse.com] ranks him the #1 recruit and A Ryan Maloney ranks #45.

I figured given the thread he might have something to do with hockey. Carry on.

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):

13 Ohio State vs. 4 Harvard
10 Minnesota vs. 5 Massachusetts-Lowell

Northeast Regional (Manchester):

14 Boston College vs. 3 Denver
11 Vermont vs. 8 Union

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):

15 Air Force vs. 2 Penn State
12 Notre Dame vs. 7 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):

16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 North Dakota vs. 6 Boston University

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 5
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

This week’s brackets

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Harvard
11 Minnesota vs. 6 Massachusetts-Lowell

East Regional (Providence):
14 St. Lawrence vs. 4 Minnesota-Duluth
9 Union vs. 5 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Penn State
12 Boston College vs. 8 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):
13 Ohio State vs. 3 Denver
10 Vermont vs. 7 North Dakota

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 4
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 3
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Minnesota-Duluth
10 Vermont vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Ohio State vs. 4 Boston University
11 Cornell vs. 5 Massachusetts-Lowell

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Air Force vs. 1 Penn State
9 Western Michigan vs. 8 Minnesota

West Regional (Fargo):
16 Bemidji State vs. 2 Denver
12 Harvard vs. 7 North Dakota

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 4
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 3
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

adamw

upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

adamw

upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

adamw

upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

Jeff Hopkins '82

adamw

upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

It is if we get one of the top 4 seeds this year, because I doubt three eastern schools will be in the top 4. And Penn State is equidistant from Providence and Cincinnati, so they can go to either.

upprdeck
right now we are in the east because we are ahead of harvard in the PWR. if we stay one of the top 2 ECAC teams , much better chance of staying home. if we become the top ECAC team its almost a lock.

upprdeck
I think it is.. you have to go back 10+ years to find a ECAC team that was a top 8 seed that didnt play in the east or NE bracket. Pretty good odds no ECAC team is a top 4 seed and that we dont have 3 ECAC teams in the top 8..

I didnt find any instance of the top ECAC team not playing in the east/NE going back that far.

jkahn

upprdeck
I think it is.. you have to go back 10+ years to find a ECAC team that was a top 8 seed that didnt play in the east or NE bracket. Pretty good odds no ECAC team is a top 4 seed and that we dont have 3 ECAC teams in the top 8..

I didnt find any instance of the top ECAC team not playing in the east/NE going back that far.

But just going back a little further:
2006 #8 Cornell in Green Bay
2005 #5 Cornell in Minneapolis

adamw

Jeff Hopkins '82

adamw

upprdeck
first, just get in..

second, win enough to get a east cost seed.

Getting an Eastern seed is not contingent upon more winning, really.

It is if we get one of the top 4 seeds this year, because I doubt three eastern schools will be in the top 4. And Penn State is equidistant from Providence and Cincinnati, so they can go to either.

Sure, but I wasn't even going there. I'd be pleasantly very surprised if that happens.

upprdeck
but that is the point.. since then it really has become location and attendance/money driven when making the brackets.

East Regional (Providence):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Penn State
10 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Harvard vs. 4 Boston University
11 Cornell vs. 5 Western Michigan

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
16 Canisius vs. 2 Denver
9 Vermont vs. 8 Ohio State

West Regional (Fargo):
15 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
12 North Dakota vs. 7 Minnesota

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 4
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 3
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1
Movement

In: Canisius
Out: Air Force

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

Jim Hyla
I'd be happy. Our regional should certainly be well attended and should be good hockey to watch.

Beeeej

Jim Hyla
I'd be happy. Our regional should certainly be well attended and should be good hockey to watch.

I'd be over-the-moon thrilled. If we pull off the upset over WMU, we've got either Harvard or BU next. Imagine Cornell vs. Harvard for a slot in the Frozen Four? F*cking epic.

upprdeck
but that is the point.. since then it really has become location and attendance/money driven when making the brackets.

adamw

upprdeck
but that is the point.. since then it really has become location and attendance/money driven when making the brackets.

Not entirely, and it fluctuates, and only in the last couple years has that been an overriding concern. Not trying to be argumentative, but the bottom line is that winning more doesn't necessarily get you an Eastern regional. It really all depends upon who the other teams are, where your natural slot falls, etc...

upprdeck
thats an issue for the bracket at large but this is a conversation about where cornell will go. the top 4 seeds have different bracket integrity rules than the other seeds

Article abstract
Laboratory studies have demonstrated that circadian clocks align physiology and behavior to 24-h environmental cycles. Examination of athletic performance has been used to discern the functions of these clocks in humans outside of controlled settings. Here, we examined the effects of jet lag, that is, travel that shifts the alignment of 24-h environmental cycles relative to the endogenous circadian clock, on specific performance metrics in Major League Baseball. Accounting for potential differences in home and away performance, travel direction, and team confounding variables, we observed that jet-lag effects were largely evident after eastward travel with very limited effects after westward travel, consistent with the >24-h period length of the human circadian clock. Surprisingly, we found that jet lag impaired major parameters of home-team offensive performance, for example, slugging percentage, but did not similarly affect away-team offensive performance. On the other hand, jet lag impacted both home and away defensive performance. Remarkably, the vast majority of these effects for both home and away teams could be explained by a single measure, home runs allowed. Rather than uniform effects, these results reveal surprisingly specific effects of circadian misalignment on athletic performance under natural conditions.

marty

upprdeck
thats an issue for the bracket at large but this is a conversation about where cornell will go. the top 4 seeds have different bracket integrity rules than the other seeds

Cornell is not a host. If we land 3 or 4 behind two other eastern teams we could be on a plane traveling west! This is all a wonderful dream.

CU2007
I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):
16 Canisius vs. 2 Denver
11 Providence vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
14 Wisconsin vs. 3 Boston University
10 Boston College vs. 8 Harvard

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
13 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 4 Western Michigan
12 Vermont vs. 5 Penn State

West Regional (Fargo):
15 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 North Dakota vs. 7 Minnesota

Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 5
NCHC — 4
Big Ten — 3
ECAC Hockey — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1
Movement

In: Wisconsin, Providence
Out: Ohio State, Cornell

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

marty

marty

upprdeck
thats an issue for the bracket at large but this is a conversation about where cornell will go. the top 4 seeds have different bracket integrity rules than the other seeds

Cornell is not a host. If we land 3 or 4 behind two other eastern teams we could be on a plane traveling west! This is all a wonderful dream.

Last night the Deerticks lost to ASU which will hurt the ECAC. OTOH Princeton shocked Penn State which should help us if we get back to winning.

And to further Adam's point, as of this morning Western Michigan as the 4 seed would be traveling east for the regionals.

Brackets
This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):
16 Canisius vs. 2 Denver
11 Providence vs. 6 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
14 Wisconsin vs. 3 Boston University
10 Boston College vs. 8 Harvard

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
13 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 4 Western Michigan
12 Vermont vs. 5 Penn State

West Regional (Fargo):
15 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 North Dakota vs. 7 Minnesota
[\QUOTE]

ugarte

CU2007
I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys

Oh cool, an optimist.

CU2007
I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys

Trotsky

CU2007
I have a feeling we'll be watching championship weekends praying that a team in the top 14 of PWR wins the Hockey East, Big 10 and NCHC tourneys

We'll see. We're not in a deep hole and I firmly believe we will make it to Lake Placid where anything can happen. The question is are they the guys who took care of an excellent SLU squad or the guys who choked last weekend?

I really want to believe the former. The thing is we don't have to guess. They'll show us.

CU2007
Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.

CU2007
Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.

CU2007
Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.

ursusminor

CU2007
Is there any benefit (Pairwise speaking) to finishing fifth in the league and picking up two extra (seemingly easy) wins? I understand the benefit of a bye week and home ice in the quarterfinals, just kind of brain storming.

Considering how bad the records of RPI and Brown, one of which will likely be 12th, are. I doubt that those wins would be worth much.

East Regional (Providence):
14 Vermont vs. 4 Minnesota
10 Boston College vs. 7 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Cornell vs. 3 Boston University
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 5 Harvard

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Denver
11 Penn State vs. 6 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 North Dakota vs. 8 Providence
Conference breakdowns

Hockey East — 5
NCHC — 4
ECAC Hockey — 3
Big Ten — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1
Movement

In: Cornell, Air Force
Out: Wisconsin, Canisius



His second choice is:

East Regional (Providence):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Denver
11 Penn State vs. 8 Providence

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Cornell vs. 3 Boston University
12 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 7 Union

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
10 Boston College vs. 6 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):
14 Vermont vs. 4 Minnesota
9 North Dakota vs. 5 Harvard

I don't like it as it rewards #8 Providence, just for being in Providence, and punishes Harvard.

I'm not one of the Harvard haters. I'd rather preserve "good play gives good results".

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

upprdeck
i wonder why providence wasnt the host and brown was? dont sometime schools split it?

ugarte

upprdeck
i wonder why providence wasnt the host and brown was? dont sometime schools split it?

If they elect to bid together. Maybe Brown doesn't want to subject their Athletic Department to the work of being the host school if the chances of getting the home ice advantage are close to zero.

Jim Hyla

ugarte

upprdeck
i wonder why providence wasnt the host and brown was? dont sometime schools split it?

If they elect to bid together. Maybe Brown doesn't want to subject their Athletic Department to the work of being the host school if the chances of getting the home ice advantage are close to zero.

? But Brown is the host school.

This week’s brackets (His first choice)

East Regional (Providence):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Harvard
11 Union vs. 8 Providence

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
13 Cornell vs. 4 Minnesota
12 St. Cloud State vs. 5 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Denver
9 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 7 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
10 North Dakota vs. 6 Penn State

Conference breakdowns

NCHC — 5
Hockey East — 4
ECAC Hockey — 3
Big Ten — 2
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Movement

In: St. Cloud State
Out: Vermont

To keep #1 UMD out of Fargo and UND (Second Choice)

East Regional (Providence):
14 Boston College vs. 3 Harvard
12 St. Cloud State vs. 8 Providence

Northeast Regional (Manchester):
15 Air Force vs. 2 Denver
11 Union vs. 5 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):
16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Minnesota-Duluth
9 Massachusetts-Lowell vs. 6 Penn State

West Regional (Fargo):
13 Cornell vs. 4 Minnesota
10 North Dakota vs. 7 Western Michigan

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

West Regional (Fargo):
13 Cornell vs. 4 Minnesota
10 North Dakota vs. 7 Western Michigan

Trotsky

West Regional (Fargo):
13 Cornell vs. 4 Minnesota
10 North Dakota vs. 7 Western Michigan

Shit like that is why it's important not to leave any points on the table from here on out.

wakester2468
I wasn't aware that a team under .500 was ineligible for the tournament by rule. This makes me feel a little better about St Cloud.

wakester2468
Adam Wodon's recent article on Pairwise was about the best explanation of the process I've read recently. I wasn't aware that a team under .500 was ineligible for the
tournament by rule. This makes me feel a little better about St Cloud. While weekly projections are fun, Adam is correct that they basically are meaningless until
the last week and conference playoffs. Another observation which is pointed out is the issues that North Dakota hosting creates. To not put the top seed there because of a
potential match up with them in a regional final seems to give reason to not allow teams to host on their own ice. Teams hosting regionals in their area makes sense but at
the schools themselves. Harvard or BU being forced to Fargo to eliminate a Duluth vs ND match up in the 2nd round is clearly wrong. Let's also not forget that North Dakota
plays on an Olympic size sheet. At least playing at Lake Placid the week before might help in that regard. Going to be interesting over the next three weeks to see how the committee
places tems.

Trotsky
Wait. Are you telling me there are two different towns in North Dakota, because I'm not sure I believe that.

RichH

Trotsky
Wait. Are you telling me there are two different towns in North Dakota, because I'm not sure I believe that.

For the last time, that antenna doesn't count.

The tower was built by Hamilton Erection Company of York, South Carolina

Trotsky

RichH

Trotsky
Wait. Are you telling me there are two different towns in North Dakota, because I'm not sure I believe that.

For the last time, that antenna doesn't count.

I just want to say that I for one never stopped being 12 years old.

The tower was built by Hamilton Erection Company of York, South Carolina

This week’s brackets

East Regional (Providence):

14 Air Force vs. 3 Harvard
9 Providence vs. 7 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):

15 Boston College vs. 4 Minnesota
10 Cornell vs. 6 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):

16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Denver
11 Penn State vs. 5 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):

13 Ohio State vs. 2 Minnesota-Duluth
12 St. Cloud State vs. 8 Massachusetts-Lowell

OR (You decide)

East Regional (Providence):

14 Air Force vs. 3 Harvard
9 Providence vs. 7 Union

Northeast Regional (Manchester):

16 Bemidji State vs. 1 Denver
10 Cornell vs. 6 Boston University

Midwest Regional (Cincinnati):

13 Ohio State vs. 2 Minnesota-Duluth
11 Penn State vs. 5 Western Michigan

West Regional (Fargo):

15 Boston College vs. 4 Minnesota
12 St. Cloud State vs. 8 Massachusetts-Lowell
Conference breakdowns


NCHC — 4
Hockey East — 4
ECAC Hockey — 3
Big Ten — 3
WCHA — 1
Atlantic Hockey – 1

Movement

In: Ohio State
Out: North Dakota 

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

wakester2468
For weeks and for that matter years, Jason Moy in calculating Bracketology and the 16 teams to qualify for the NCAA"s, finds it necessary to give an
automatic bid to the team that is currently in 1st place in their conference. Does this assume that they will win their conference playoffs and get an automatic bid?
This the case with BC yet not the same with Canisius albeit they have one few game less than AF. The one or two team difference because of this method changes
completely brackets and the forecast. I still think Adam's pairwise matrix makes so much more sense It factors in both chances of getting an at at large bid along
the odds of the automatic qualifier.

KenP
I'd be curious to do a sensitivity analysis on the Probability Matrix. For example, how screwed are we if we lose to RPI? Or how important are two St. Cloud losses? Is there some other result our of our control that could push us up to a 2-seed in the NCAA tourney?

Swampy

KenP
I'd be curious to do a sensitivity analysis on the Probability Matrix. For example, how screwed are we if we lose to RPI? Or how important are two St. Cloud losses? Is there some other result our of our control that could push us up to a 2-seed in the NCAA tourney?

If anything, I suspect winning the ECAC tournament might do the trick.

Jim Hyla

Also if we were to get by BU, I'd rather face Minny than DU.

KenP
If we win the ECAC tournament, what is our highest or lowest possible seed? Does that guarantee a #2 seed? Can we get a #2 seed without winning the Whitelaw Cup?

Trotsky

KenP
If we win the ECAC tournament, what is our highest or lowest possible seed? Does that guarantee a #2 seed? Can we get a #2 seed without winning the Whitelaw Cup?

PlayoffStatus still has us at a non-zero chance of the #1 overall seed in the tourney. So there's the highest possible seed right there.

If we were to win out and along the way take out both Union and Harvard, we'd probably be in very good shape for at worst a 2.

KenP

Trotsky

KenP
If we win the ECAC tournament, what is our highest or lowest possible seed? Does that guarantee a #2 seed? Can we get a #2 seed without winning the Whitelaw Cup?

PlayoffStatus still has us at a non-zero chance of the #1 overall seed in the tourney. So there's the highest possible seed right there.

If we were to win out and along the way take out both Union and Harvard, we'd probably be in very good shape for at worst a 2.

Based on their red-green color designations, Cornell controls their own destiny for the #8 spot, i.e. a #2 bracket seeding.

Beeeej
So if I understand correctly, they're saying that a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid would result in a #8 finish or above, period, no matter what else occurs?

Trotsky

Beeeej
So if I understand correctly, they're saying that a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid would result in a #8 finish or above, period, no matter what else occurs?

I believe this is correct except it is #7 or above.

Beeeej
Doesn't the red % under #7 mean we don't control our destiny for that spot? And doesn't that mean that #7 isn't guaranteed with a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid regardless of external factors?

Trotsky

Beeeej
Doesn't the red % under #7 mean we don't control our destiny for that spot? And doesn't that mean that #7 isn't guaranteed with a Cornell run of 6-0-0 through Lake Placid regardless of external factors?

Yes. I am an idiot. The green is where we are guaranteed with a win out with no help: #8 and lower.