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UNH 12/28

Posted by Trotsky 
UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: December 19, 2013 01:15PM

We have now passed the halfway point in the worst stretch of the year, the annual December Coma. It is 12 days since the last game and 9 until the next. This year's is at least atypically brief.

Intervals and results of last game before and first game back, below. Odd that recently we have gone into so many breaks with ties.

2014 21 T ... TBD
2013 27 W ... W
2012 26 T ... L
2011 25 T ... L
2010 24 T ... L
2009 21 W ... W
2008 28 T ... L
2007 27 W ... W
2006 24 W ... W
2005 24 W ... L
2004 21 W ... W
2003 21 W ... L
2002 22 W ... L
2001 25 W ... W (First Estero Tourney)
2000 31 L ... T
1999 22 T ... L
1998 21 L ... L
1997 20 T ... W
1996 12 T ... W
1995 26 L ... L
1994 23 L ... L
1993 24 L ... L
1992 26 T ... W
1991 20 W ... L
1990 20 L ... L
1989 18 W ... L
1988 24 L ... W
1987 21 L ... L
1986 26 L ... W
1985 19 W ... W

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2013 01:15PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 20, 2013 09:53AM

It's been a while since we won one after going in with a tie. I think it's time!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/20/2013 09:54AM by andyw2100.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: December 20, 2013 12:43PM

andyw2100
It's been a while since we won one after going in with a tie. I think it's time!
I just want the break to end, particularly with the recent breakthroughs in hockey anthropology.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: marty (---.sub-70-209-137.myvzw.com)
Date: December 20, 2013 01:11PM

Trotsky
andyw2100
It's been a while since we won one after going in with a tie. I think it's time!
I just want the break to end, particularly with the recent breakthroughs in hockey anthropology.[/quote

Next we'll see a story claiming they communicate better than dolphins .
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.arthritishealthdoctors.com)
Date: December 27, 2013 08:40AM

Coach Schafer on ECAC Radio Show.

 
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: December 27, 2013 11:01AM

Thanks.

Everyone is fully healthy, yay!
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.arthritishealthdoctors.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 09:02AM

Just in case anyone is confused by the lack of video mentioned on "Cornell Men's Hockey Game Notes", The Florida games are on America One. They have a video link on the Cornell Big Red event schedule, the same one is on the ECAC site, and I've copied it here. If I remember correctly from years past, the $10 fee is for the day, and not per game. So maybe you can get both of today's games for $10. Anyone else remember if that was true?

 
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 06:15PM

If the 7:35 is not a hard start time, Maine beat Princeton quickly and a 1-hour gap would put the start at around 7:10.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:00PM

is there free audio available anywhere? for some reason the audio isn't on the ivy league site for tonight
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:03PM

WHCU streaming may be broken tonight. I have attempted to connect three ways with no luck.

Make that four tries on three different types of devices.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2013 07:05PM by marty.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:06PM

marty
WHCU streaming may be broken tonight. I have attempted to connect three ways with no luck.

Make that four tries on three different types of devices.

yup- i had the same problem
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:09PM

ILDN claims they will have the audio but so far it is still listed as "Upcoming."
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:12PM

Trotsky
ILDN claims they will have the audio but so far it is still listed as "Upcoming."
i only see sunday as upcoming, not saturday
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:14PM

abmarks
Trotsky
ILDN claims they will have the audio but so far it is still listed as "Upcoming."
i only see sunday as upcoming, not saturday
Aha. Right you are.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:16PM

Has anybody tried America One yet?

[www.americaonesports.com]
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:25PM

Buy home feed just popped up

 
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Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:30PM

Yep, I bought it. It's still on an event splash screen, but it appears to be potentially maybe working. Perhaps.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:30PM

Video up, still no audio.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:38PM

UNH's audio is free:

[client.stretchinternet.com]#
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:40PM

Opened support ticket with America One re lack of audio feed.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:52PM

andyw2100
Opened support ticket with America One re lack of audio feed.
Thank you
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 07:54PM

i wonder who did all the testing before the game that they listed on the link before it became live,..
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 08:19PM

Trotsky
andyw2100
Opened support ticket with America One re lack of audio feed.
Thank you

No problem.

Unfortunately it does not seem to have had any positive effect.

I did get three e-mail messages in reply, all within three minutes. The first was an automated response acknowledging receipt of the support ticket. The second was a message asking me to complete a survey on my customer service experience with them. (It's a pretty safe bet I will be completing that survey.) The third e-mail is copied below. It too felt like it could have been automated, or at least very much a form e-mail, but since it came a little later, and unlike the first message did not say that it was automated, I actually would tend to think that a person did in fact send that third message, which was delivered at 7:42 PM.

Oh well.

--
We apologize for your inconvenience and we will pass this complaint along for corrective action.

Thank you,

America One Live Customer Support

www.americaone.com
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 08:22PM

for me i think the lack of response is worthy of a complaint to the credit card and get a full refund.. at this point doesnt matter if they fix the issue or not.. its a win win.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 08:27PM

upprdeck
for me i think the lack of response is worthy of a complaint to the credit card and get a full refund.. at this point doesnt matter if they fix the issue or not.. its a win win.

I don't think it will take having to go to my credit card company. I think America One will just refund the money. I'll wait until after the game to make the request though.

Also for small amounts like this many credit card companies / banks will just refund your money and eat the cost themselves, rather than go through the process of taking it back from the merchant (which would then allow the merchant to dispute the issue, etc.) All banks have different threshold amounts for this kind of thing, but $10 is a pretty small amount, and I expect many banks would just eat that cost themselves, which really does not accomplish what I'd like to accomplish here, which is making sure America One does not benefit from this.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 08:29PM

i asked for a refound already. half a game of messed up sound with no active response ismore than enough for me.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 08:30PM

and suddenly there is sound
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 08:32PM

upprdeck
and suddenly there is sound

I had written again just before the start of the second, responding to the e-mail that they had sent me. Whether or not that helped is anyone's guess.

If any of you need it to help get a refund, the support ticket number of the ticket I opened at the start of the game is: [#TJZ-499-55537]
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 08:34PM

pretty crappy sound now.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 08:37PM

upprdeck
i asked for a refound already. half a game of messed up sound with no active response ismore than enough for me.

By the way, just to be clear, I also agree that a full refund is in order. The only reason I am waiting until after the game to ask for it is I don't want to give them the opportunity to say, "Fine, here's your money back, but we're disabling your ability to watch the game."
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 09:15PM

why wasnt the 2nd UNH goal an icing call?
 
Re: UNH 12/28 - Cornell 4-2
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: December 28, 2013 09:51PM

Apparently a 4-2 win for Cornell. Communications are out. Maybe a telegram will arrive in Ithaca and Western Union will have something for us early Sunday.

[edit add] Owing to mixed video and audio webcasts, and no live gamestats, we missed a bit of the action. Didn't realise Andy Iles posted 44 saves, 14 of them on penalty kill. That was in the box score and more: Cornell and UNH were pretty even on penalties, 12 for Cornell (no UNH PPGs) vs. 10 mins called against UNH (1 Cornell PPG on 4 shots). Cornell didn't get whistled in the second half of the game except a matching minors call. All this against a team that falls below .500 with this loss.

Let's hope for a good game Saturday vs. Maine. We need the win, we need the quality win.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2013 11:33PM by billhoward.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2013 09:52PM

OK, so the final was 4-2 CU. Maine tomorrow. And guys, a lot of us were on chat tonight. Come on over tomorrow.

 
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/28/2013 09:53PM by Jim Hyla.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: December 29, 2013 01:10AM

upprdeck
why wasn't the 2nd UNH goal an icing call?
I didn't see it, so I don't know exactly what happened, but in general it's not icing if the puck goes directly into the goal. See, for example, Gillam's goal against Niagara. The rule on icing says

If the puck enters the goal of the opposing team,after being legally shot, batted with the stick or deflected, the goal shall be allowed.
, though that line is buried in the section on the faceoff location.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: December 29, 2013 05:37AM

David Harding
upprdeck
why wasn't the 2nd UNH goal an icing call?
I didn't see it, so I don't know exactly what happened, but in general it's not icing if the puck goes directly into the goal. See, for example, Gillam's goal against Niagara. The rule on icing says

If the puck enters the goal of the opposing team,after being legally shot, batted with the stick or deflected, the goal shall be allowed.
, though that line is buried in the section on the faceoff location.

I always thought the crease was the determining factor. Can the puck be considered iced if it passes through the crease without touching the goalie, his equipment nor the net or the posts?

In this case it surely isn't icing because it was on net.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 29, 2013 09:04AM

from the first replay i thought it went off the back wall and off the goalie.. but i didnt slow it down well enough to really tell. if it went straight in then i understand the call.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: jkahn (107.18.66.---)
Date: December 29, 2013 10:31AM

With the exception of when our first line was on the ice, play seemed to be constantly in our defensive zone. Andy held us in there, despite the one bad hop goal that he would stop 99% of the time. Others I thought had strong games were Ryan, McDonald (who was more aggressive offensively than I've seen) and Freschi (although -1 for the night it was the goal that Andy would want back).
Jeff (from rainy Estero)

 
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Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: cbuckser (---.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)
Date: December 29, 2013 03:09PM

Here are the game articles from the Naples Daily News and the Fort Myers News-Press. I especially liked Mike Schafer's quote in the News-Press article about the team's slow start:

Ohhhhh, we were somewhere between Charlotte and Philadelphia still. Those first six, seven minutes, they were on the power play, they came out flying and we didn’t handle it very well.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: December 29, 2013 03:38PM

marty
David Harding
upprdeck
why wasn't the 2nd UNH goal an icing call?
I didn't see it, so I don't know exactly what happened, but in general it's not icing if the puck goes directly into the goal. See, for example, Gillam's goal against Niagara. The rule on icing says

If the puck enters the goal of the opposing team,after being legally shot, batted with the stick or deflected, the goal shall be allowed.
, though that line is buried in the section on the faceoff location.

I always thought the crease was the determining factor. Can the puck be considered iced if it passes through the crease without touching the goalie, his equipment nor the net or the posts?

In this case it surely isn't icing because it was on net.
The crease doesn't matter. If anyone touches it before it crosses the goal line, it's not icing. If it crosses the goal line outside the net, it's icing. If it crosses the goal line between the posts, it's a goal. There are complications based on what players from both teams (including the goalie) do or could do.

Here's the whole NCAA rule:

Rule 85 - Icing
85.1 Icing - For the purpose of this rule, the center line will divide the ice into
halves. Should any player of a team, equal or superior in numerical strength
to the opposing team, shoot, bat with the hand or stick, kick or deflect the
puck from his own half of the ice, beyond the goal line of the opposing
team, play shall be stopped.
For the purpose of this rule, the point of last contact with the puck by the
team in possession shall be used to determine whether icing has occurred.
For the purpose of interpretation of this rule, icing is completed the
instant the puck crosses the goal line, unless an attacking player, who is
onside at the blue line and with no opponent between that player and the
goal line and is clearly in position to be the first player to touch the puck.
Icing shall not be called in this situation. This decision by the official shall
be made no later than the first player reaching the end zone face-off dots. If
the puck enters the goal in this situation icing shall not be called and a goal
shall be awarded.
Notwithstanding the provisions of this section concerning batting the
puck in respect to the icing rule, the provisions in Rule 71 apply and no goal
may be scored by batting the puck with the hand into the opponent’s goal.
If, while the official has signaled a slow whistle for a clean interception
under Rule 86 (offsides), the player intercepting shoots or bats the puck
beyond the opponent’s goal line in such a manner as to constitute icing, the
official’s delayed whistle shall end the instant the puck crosses the blue line
and icing shall be called in the usual manner.
85.2 Faceoff Location - The puck shall be faced off at the end-zone faceoff
spot of the offending team. If the puck enters the goal of the opposing team,
after being legally shot, batted with the stick or deflected, the goal shall be
allowed.
If, during a delayed penalty, the non-offending team ices the puck, the
ensuing faceoff shall take place in the penalized team’s defensive zone.
If the officials err in calling an icing-the-puck infraction (regardless of
whether either team is short-handed), the puck shall be faced off at the
center ice faceoff spot unless, in the opinion of the referee, the center ice
faceoff unduly penalizes either team. (See 81.2)
85.3 Goalkeeper - Should the opposing goalkeeper leave the crease and fake/
feign playing the puck during a potential icing situation, icing shall not be
called and play shall continue.
Note: The purpose of this section is to enforce continuous action and the
on-ice officials should interpret and apply the rule to produce this result.

85.4 Change of Players on Icing - A team that is in violation of this rule shall
not be permitted to make any player substitutions before the next faceoff.
A team will be permitted to use its timeout for rules that do not allow a
substitution of players. The team that is prevented by rule from substituting
its players must call the timeout to be allowed to change.
A team shall be permitted to make a player substitution to replace a
goalkeeper who had been substituted for an extra attacker, to replace an
injured player, or when a penalty is assessed that affects the on-ice strength
of either team.
85.5 No Icing - When the puck is shot and rebounds from the body or stick of an
opponent in his or her own half of the ice so as to cross the goal line of the
player shooting it, icing shall not be called.
If the puck touches any part of a player of the opposing team or his skates
or his stick before it reaches the goal line, or touches the goalkeeper or his
skates or his stick at any time before crossing his goal line, it shall not be
considered a violation of this rule and play shall continue.
If the puck is propelled directly from either of the players while facing
off, it shall not be considered a violation of this rule.
If, in the opinion of the calling official, a player of the opposing team
except the goalkeeper is able to play the puck before it passes the goal line,
but has not done so, icing shall not be called and play shall continue.
85.6 Numerical Strength - If the puck was so shot by a player of a team below
the numerical on-ice strength of the opposing team, play shall continue and
the faceoff shall not take place.
Note: In exhibition contests, this exception shall not be in effect.
When a team is shorthanded as the result of a penalty and the penalty is
about to expire, the decision as to whether there has been an icing infraction
shall be determined at the instant the penalty expires, and if the puck is
shot before the penalty expires, icing shall not be called. The action of the
penalized player remaining in the penalty bench will not alter the ruling.
 
Re: UNH 12/28
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: December 29, 2013 06:12PM

Thank you David!
 

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