Top players that are still not committed

Wonder if any of these will be a late pick up. Greg Miller was an awesome late recruit.


NHL Central Scouting College Prospects

101 – F – Adam Gilmour – Nobles Prep
103 – F – Alex Gonye – Deerfield Prep
165 – F – Alexander Kerfoot – Coquitlam-BCHL
176 – D – Matt Benning – Spruce Grove-AJHL
198 – D – Mackenzie Weegar – Nepean-CCHL
203 – F – Jay Dickman – St. Paul Johnson HS
210 – F – Zach Pryzbek – Salisbury Prep

Cross Adam Gilmour off the list. After [url=

Adam Gilmour- Chris Calnan's Nobles linemate- originally going to Quinnipiac and now to 2012 NCAA champion BC per @Canuckscout

— Kirk Luedeke (@kluedeke29) April 15, 2012

]decommitting from Quinnipiac, he has committed to Boston College[/url].

cbuckser
Cross Adam Gilmour off the list. After [url=

Adam Gilmour- Chris Calnan's Nobles linemate- originally going to Quinnipiac and now to 2012 NCAA champion BC per @Canuckscout

— Kirk Luedeke (@kluedeke29) April 15, 2012

]decommitting from Quinnipiac, he has committed to Boston College[/url].[/quote]

the rich getting richer

scoop85

cbuckser
Cross Adam Gilmour off the list. After [url=

Adam Gilmour- Chris Calnan's Nobles linemate- originally going to Quinnipiac and now to 2012 NCAA champion BC per @Canuckscout

— Kirk Luedeke (@kluedeke29) April 15, 2012

]decommitting from Quinnipiac, he has committed to Boston College[/url].[/quote]

the rich getting richer[/quote] [/quote]

That's what happens when you win national championships.

 

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2012 01:10AM by jtn27.

scoop85
the rich getting richer

When it happens to us after we do well for a year or two, we call it "success breeding success." When it happens to someone else, it's "the rich getting richer."

Sort of belonging here. All-American Prospects game to debut in September

flyersgolf
Wonder if any of these will be a late pick up. Greg Miller was an awesome late recruit.


NHL Central Scouting College Prospects

101 – F – Adam Gilmour – Nobles Prep
103 – F – Alex Gonye – Deerfield Prep
165 – F – Alexander Kerfoot – Coquitlam-BCHL
176 – D – Matt Benning – Spruce Grove-AJHL
198 – D – Mackenzie Weegar – Nepean-CCHL
203 – F – Jay Dickman – St. Paul Johnson HS
210 – F – Zach Pryzbek – Salisbury Prep

Some notes on Kerfoot who seems intent on earning a degree from a university and playing college hockey.

Alex Kerfoot
At this point I am pretty focused on going the NCAA route. I feel it gives me a little more time to develop as a player, and academics have always been pretty important to me. The three schools that I have visited are Boston College, Yale and Harvard, and they are all great schools, with great hockey programs that I am really interested in.

Kerfoot at 150th overall and Benning at 175th overall are listed as undecided as to which university they will be attending on the 2012 NHL Entry Draft information.

Aaron M. Griffin

flyersgolf
Wonder if any of these will be a late pick up. Greg Miller was an awesome late recruit.


NHL Central Scouting College Prospects

101 – F – Adam Gilmour – Nobles Prep
103 – F – Alex Gonye – Deerfield Prep
165 – F – Alexander Kerfoot – Coquitlam-BCHL
176 – D – Matt Benning – Spruce Grove-AJHL
198 – D – Mackenzie Weegar – Nepean-CCHL
203 – F – Jay Dickman – St. Paul Johnson HS
210 – F – Zach Pryzbek – Salisbury Prep

Some notes on Kerfoot who seems intent on earning a degree from a university and playing college hockey.

Alex Kerfoot
At this point I am pretty focused on going the NCAA route. I feel it gives me a little more time to develop as a player, and academics have always been pretty important to me. The three schools that I have visited are Boston College, Yale and Harvard, and they are all great schools, with great hockey programs that I am really interested in.

Kerfoot at 150th overall and Benning at 175th overall are listed as undecided as to which university they will be attending on the 2012 NHL Entry Draft information.

Since when does Harvard (or Yale for that matter) have a "great hockey program."?

jtn27
Since when does Harvard (or Yale for that matter) have a "great hockey program."?

Does Cornell have a great hockey program? If so, what sets us apart from them? Our resume is not all that different than Harvard's when it comes right down to it. 12-8 in tournament titles, 8-8 in season titles, 8-12 in Frozen Four appearances, 2-1 in NCAA championships (and ours are pretty stale), etc. You'd have to draw a pretty fine line to get one of us above and the other below.

Robb
Does Cornell have a great hockey program?

Yes.

Next?

Robb
Does Cornell have a great hockey program? If so, what sets us apart from them? Our resume is not all that different than Harvard's when it comes right down to it. 12-8 in tournament titles, 8-8 in season titles, 8-12 in Frozen Four appearances, 2-1 in NCAA championships (and ours are pretty stale), etc. You'd have to draw a pretty fine line to get one of us above and the other below.

Besides the fact that "yes" is the absolutely correct answer to your inquiry, I feel the need to mention two other statistics. Firstly, I think that anyone being reasonable would conclude that Cornell and Harvard are nearly equally storied in intraconference play. You left out the fact that Cornell has 20 and Harvard has 23 Ivy-League Championships. That supports the conclusion that the programs are of equal prestige or that Harvard is slightly better in one area.

However, to be a great program, a program needs to have success not only on an intraconference level but on the national level. Harvard has not returned to the NCAA Tournament in six years. Cornell has competed in the tournament three times over that period. Harvard's all-time in the NCAA Tournament is 12-22-1. Cornell's record is 17-19-0. I think that difference is sufficient to indicate that Cornell is a great program, especially in comparison to Harvard's success at the same level. Also, Cornell has a record of 205-164-26 against programs with NCAA National Championships. I do not feel like investing the time to calculate Harvard's similar record, but I feel secure in assuming that it pales in comparison to Cornell's similar record.

The inclusion of Yale as a "great program" in the original quote is what made me laugh most. Sure, Harvard is a great program, I will admit that, but Cornell is far superior to both. Yale has no national championships, one Frozen Four appearance, five NCAA appearances, and two ECAC Championships. Cornell and Harvard are great programs, Yale is not even close.

Aaron M. Griffin
Cornell and Harvard are great programs, Yale is not even close.

This, I completely agree with.

Aaron M. Griffin
Yale has no national championships, one Frozen Four appearance, five NCAA appearances, and two ECAC Championships. Cornell and Harvard are great programs, Yale is not even close.

There was also 50 years of college hockey before the NCAA tournament, but IINM Yale was not a hockey power during that time either. Harvard and Dartmouth were, with Princeton at times.

Trotsky

Aaron M. Griffin
Yale has no national championships, one Frozen Four appearance, five NCAA appearances, and two ECAC Championships. Cornell and Harvard are great programs, Yale is not even close.

There was also 50 years of college hockey before the NCAA tournament, but IINM Yale was not a hockey power during that time either. Harvard and Dartmouth were, with Princeton at times.

The Yale Bulldogs men's ice hockey wiki claims that Yale won national championships in 1899, 1900, 1901, and 1902. I do not give much weight to them personally, but I read a Yale article once in which they referenced their "national championships in men's hockey."

Aaron M. Griffin

Trotsky

Aaron M. Griffin
Yale has no national championships, one Frozen Four appearance, five NCAA appearances, and two ECAC Championships. Cornell and Harvard are great programs, Yale is not even close.

There was also 50 years of college hockey before the NCAA tournament, but IINM Yale was not a hockey power during that time either. Harvard and Dartmouth were, with Princeton at times.

The Yale Bulldogs men's ice hockey wiki claims that Yale won national championships in 1899, 1900, 1901, and 1902. I do not give much weight to them personally, but I read a Yale article once in which they referenced their "national championships in men's hockey."

From 1899 to 1902, winning a "national championship" in men's hockey basically meant winning more games than the other seven or eight schools sponsoring teams in any given year, even if the season was only six games long. Nobody but Yale gives any weight to those achievements, and they certainly don't make Yale "a great hockey program."

Robb

jtn27
Since when does Harvard... have a "great hockey program."?

Does Cornell have a great hockey program? If so, what sets us apart from them?

The fact that we don't suck?

Beeeej
From 1899 to 1902, winning a "national championship" in men's hockey basically meant winning more games than the other seven or eight schools sponsoring teams in any given year, even if the season was only six games long. Nobody but Yale gives any weight to those achievements, and they certainly don't make Yale "a great hockey program."

Well, we won it in 1911, and that's good enough for me.

Aaron M. Griffin
Harvard's all-time in the NCAA Tournament is 12-22-1. Cornell's record is 17-19-0. I think that difference is sufficient to indicate that Cornell is a great program, especially in comparison to Harvard's success at the same level.

As much as I'd like to agree, a losing record -- even if it's in the national championship -- doesn't constitute a great program. The fact that we get there so often means we're a very good team nationally; but the fact we lose more than we win, once we're there, means we don't go past being very good.

Going by this, some other schools' win-loss records:

• BU: 34-30-0
• Michigan: 46-24-0
• Minnesota: 50-35-0
• NoDak: 40-18-0
• Wisconsin: 34-19-2

I would say these schools have great programs. We're very good.

Boy this is a lot of discussion on the heels of a "Harvard Sucks" joke.

ugarte
Boy this is a lot of discussion on the heels of a "Harvard Sucks" joke.

My thoughts exactly. But then again, it is June.

Kerfoot got his wish and is Harvard-bound.