Frozen Four Pregame

Poll

Who Wins FF

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61 votes were received.

Union	8		13%
Ferris	2		3%
Minny	6		10%
BC	45		74%

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All I can say about BC is WOW. Let's hope Union wins 1, but unless BC plays poorly I can't see them losing.

I vote for the tesla coils to create lightning that strikes the ice to swallow the teams when BC plays Minnesota.

judy
I vote for the tesla coils to create lightning that strikes the ice to swallow the teams when BC plays Minnesota.

Ywah, it'll be much more fun rooting for the Union/Ferris winner there for the first time ever rather than BC/Minnesota there for the billionth time.

Who _will_ win or who do you want to win?

Will ugly rodents v. ugly birds be the 2nd game (I haven't looked for the schedule yet)? If the ice is going to be swallowed up, I would like to have Union-Ferris play before that happens.

Rita
Will ugly rodents v. ugly birds be the 2nd game (I haven't looked for the schedule yet)? If the ice is going to be swallowed up, I would like to have Union-Ferris play before that happens.

Correct. Union-Ferris at 4:30, BC-Minnesota at 8:00.

judy
I vote for the tesla coils to create lightning that strikes the ice to swallow the teams when BC plays Minnesota.

So basically this, but on ice?

In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

While I hate to say it, the goofers are playing really well.

Jim Hyla
In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

jtn27

Jim Hyla
In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

Kyle Rose

jtn27

Jim Hyla
In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

According to this 2009 article from The Sun, "high priority enrollment" students receive grants instead of loans. I would imagine that Union does something similar.

They are still playing the Frozen Four? WHY!?

Kyle Rose

jtn27

Jim Hyla
In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

As we know they will do this for any student, but I was really interested in what that really means at Union since it was specific athletic. Maybe I'll ask CHN.

ugarte
They are still playing the Frozen Four? WHY!?

It's just some really early Ice Breaker exhibition for the 2012-13 season.

ugarte
They are still playing the Frozen Four? WHY!?

This.

jtn27

Kyle Rose

jtn27

Jim Hyla
In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

According to this 2009 article from The Sun, "high priority enrollment" students receive grants instead of loans. I would imagine that Union does something similar.

"High-priority" students aren't necessarily just those who play hockey. The university highly values its economic diversity and as someone who got far more than 15 or 22k/year, I can guarantee you that my financial aid package was not because I'd gotten into another school where they matched it or because I play any sort of varsity sport.

bnr24

jtn27

Kyle Rose

jtn27

Jim Hyla
In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

According to this 2009 article from The Sun, "high priority enrollment" students receive grants instead of loans. I would imagine that Union does something similar.

"High-priority" students aren't necessarily just those who play hockey. The university highly values its economic diversity and as someone who got far more than 15 or 22k/year, I can guarantee you that my financial aid package was not because I'd gotten into another school where they matched it or because I play any sort of varsity sport.

That article I linked to does list several categories of students other than athletes considered high enrollment.

jtn27

bnr24

jtn27

Kyle Rose

jtn27

Jim Hyla
In CHN's article on Union going to the FF, it states they don't give athletic scholarships, but "until a few short years ago, wasn't even able to give preferential financial aid to student-athletes". So what is preferential aid to athletes if it isn't athletic scholarships?

I'm pretty sure Cornell does this too. I believe what it means is that if the school has $20,000 left in financial aid and it determines that both an athlete and a regular student need $15,000 in need-based aid, the athlete might get $13,000 and the regular student $7,000. It's not a scholarship because an athlete with rich parents is ineligible for need-based aid. Or maybe it means the athlete gets a grant and the regular student gets a loan and/or work-study job. Of course, before you get into an uproar, just know that I could be totally off-base with this.

I think the dynamic is more subtle than this. Here's how I suspect it works:

Smart but not brilliant kid gets into Cornell, which offers $15k in aid. Not accepted to any other Ivy schools. Ends up with $15k in aid.

Brilliant kid gets into Cornell ($15k) and Harvard ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Ends up going to Harvard anyway.

Hockey player gets into Cornell ($15k) and Brown ($22k). Cornell matches $22k. Student has self-respect, so goes to Cornell.

Of course I'm simplifying, but IMO the net result is athletic scholarships and outsized aid for high-profile athletes. But I got off the no-scholarship bandwagon a long time ago: I think big-money athletes should be paid ferchrissakes. I just wish Cornell and the rest of the Ivies would be honest about it.

According to this 2009 article from The Sun, "high priority enrollment" students receive grants instead of loans. I would imagine that Union does something similar.

"High-priority" students aren't necessarily just those who play hockey. The university highly values its economic diversity and as someone who got far more than 15 or 22k/year, I can guarantee you that my financial aid package was not because I'd gotten into another school where they matched it or because I play any sort of varsity sport.

That article I linked to does list several categories of students other than athletes considered high enrollment.

I remember the whole big to-do with financial aid packages when they'd changed the amount of financial aid wherein if you fall below a certain threshold all of your financial aid is in grants and not loans. The financial aid policy ended up having to do with matching what other institutions offer in aid as well, as I'm sure you know. I personally remember the difference in my aid package from my freshman year (07-08) to my sophomore year (08-09).

Also, the article you posted said this:

In terms of the new program’s adherence to the bylaws of the Ivy League, which regulates the athletic competition amongst the Ivies, states, “Athletes shall be admitted as students and awarded financial aid only on the basis of the same academic standards and economic need as are applied to all other students.”

Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

whoops! somehow I double-posted.

bnr24
Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

The coaches however, who send the list of athletes they hope to get likely letters, or do the recruiting, are not need blind.

css228

bnr24
Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

The coaches however, who send the list of athletes they hope to get likely letters, or do the recruiting, are not need blind however.

That may be true, and hockey is not a cheap sport to play, but in order to get into Cornell, they still need to get into Cornell on their own merits and the university does its selections on a need-blind basis.

bnr24

css228

bnr24
Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

The coaches however, who send the list of athletes they hope to get likely letters, or do the recruiting, are not need blind however.

That may be true, and hockey is not a cheap sport to play, but in order to get into Cornell, they still need to get into Cornell on their own merits and the university does its selections on a need-blind basis.

The point I'm making is that if an athlete can get here on their own merits, the coaches can essentially target recruits in such a way that gives them unlimited partial and full scholarships (hockey isn't nearly as expensive in Canada). Let's just say of the people I know on the track team, the proportion of them on financial aid of some sort or another is far higher than the general student population.

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bnr24

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bnr24
Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

The coaches however, who send the list of athletes they hope to get likely letters, or do the recruiting, are not need blind however.

That may be true, and hockey is not a cheap sport to play, but in order to get into Cornell, they still need to get into Cornell on their own merits and the university does its selections on a need-blind basis.

The point I'm making is that if an athlete can get here on their own merits, the coaches can essentially target recruits in such a way that gives them unlimited partial and full scholarships (hockey isn't nearly as expensive in Canada). Let's just say of the people I know on the track team, the proportion of them on financial aid of some sort or another is far higher than the general student population.

I definitely agree with that and know it's done. But the difference is, those kids can still retain their financial aid if they stop playing (not true of sports scholarships at institutions which award them).

But also, there is some point at which a coach is going to recruit based on talent and not solely based on whether they fall into a certain income bracket.

bnr24

css228

bnr24

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bnr24
Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

The coaches however, who send the list of athletes they hope to get likely letters, or do the recruiting, are not need blind however.

That may be true, and hockey is not a cheap sport to play, but in order to get into Cornell, they still need to get into Cornell on their own merits and the university does its selections on a need-blind basis.

The point I'm making is that if an athlete can get here on their own merits, the coaches can essentially target recruits in such a way that gives them unlimited partial and full scholarships (hockey isn't nearly as expensive in Canada). Let's just say of the people I know on the track team, the proportion of them on financial aid of some sort or another is far higher than the general student population.

I definitely agree with that and know it's done. But the difference is, those kids can still retain their financial aid if they stop playing (not true of sports scholarships at institutions which award them).

But also, there is some point at which a coach is going to recruit based on talent and not solely based on whether they fall into a certain income bracket.

Definitely, but talent within a certain income bracket is definitely the gold standard for Ivy coaches

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bnr24

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bnr24

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bnr24
Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

The coaches however, who send the list of athletes they hope to get likely letters, or do the recruiting, are not need blind however.

That may be true, and hockey is not a cheap sport to play, but in order to get into Cornell, they still need to get into Cornell on their own merits and the university does its selections on a need-blind basis.

The point I'm making is that if an athlete can get here on their own merits, the coaches can essentially target recruits in such a way that gives them unlimited partial and full scholarships (hockey isn't nearly as expensive in Canada). Let's just say of the people I know on the track team, the proportion of them on financial aid of some sort or another is far higher than the general student population.

I definitely agree with that and know it's done. But the difference is, those kids can still retain their financial aid if they stop playing (not true of sports scholarships at institutions which award them).

But also, there is some point at which a coach is going to recruit based on talent and not solely based on whether they fall into a certain income bracket.

Definitely, but talent within a certain income bracket is definitely the gold standard for Ivy coaches

Yes, but that doesn't say much for those who happen to be legacy sports families (a la the Moriartys of Harvard).

bnr24

css228

bnr24

css228

bnr24

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bnr24
Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

The coaches however, who send the list of athletes they hope to get likely letters, or do the recruiting, are not need blind however.

That may be true, and hockey is not a cheap sport to play, but in order to get into Cornell, they still need to get into Cornell on their own merits and the university does its selections on a need-blind basis.

The point I'm making is that if an athlete can get here on their own merits, the coaches can essentially target recruits in such a way that gives them unlimited partial and full scholarships (hockey isn't nearly as expensive in Canada). Let's just say of the people I know on the track team, the proportion of them on financial aid of some sort or another is far higher than the general student population.

I definitely agree with that and know it's done. But the difference is, those kids can still retain their financial aid if they stop playing (not true of sports scholarships at institutions which award them).

But also, there is some point at which a coach is going to recruit based on talent and not solely based on whether they fall into a certain income bracket.

Definitely, but talent within a certain income bracket is definitely the gold standard for Ivy coaches

Yes, but that doesn't say much for those who happen to be legacy sports families (a la the Moriartys of Harvard).

New gold standard?

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bnr24

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bnr24

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bnr24

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bnr24
Namely, Cornell is need-blind, to athletes as well.

The coaches however, who send the list of athletes they hope to get likely letters, or do the recruiting, are not need blind however.

That may be true, and hockey is not a cheap sport to play, but in order to get into Cornell, they still need to get into Cornell on their own merits and the university does its selections on a need-blind basis.

The point I'm making is that if an athlete can get here on their own merits, the coaches can essentially target recruits in such a way that gives them unlimited partial and full scholarships (hockey isn't nearly as expensive in Canada). Let's just say of the people I know on the track team, the proportion of them on financial aid of some sort or another is far higher than the general student population.

I definitely agree with that and know it's done. But the difference is, those kids can still retain their financial aid if they stop playing (not true of sports scholarships at institutions which award them).

But also, there is some point at which a coach is going to recruit based on talent and not solely based on whether they fall into a certain income bracket.

Definitely, but talent within a certain income bracket is definitely the gold standard for Ivy coaches

Yes, but that doesn't say much for those who happen to be legacy sports families (a la the Moriartys of Harvard).

New gold standard?

lol perhaps. Who knows? I mean, honestly, it drains the university less financially when people it admits don't have to get financial aid in the form of grants, so...maybe?

Urban folklore in the Capital District includes the young Jooris being ignored by the RPI coaching staff.

Like Father,..

Guess I can put this information in this thread for those going to Tampa and renting a car:

Gas in Florida has hit the $4 mark, and major cities like Miami and Tampa have a pricing differential for paying cash vs. using a credit/debit card. Often times the price listed on the station billboard is the "Cash only" price. If you are paying by credit card, expect to pay 10-15 cents more per gallon.

Interesting drift.

Friday's Times Union

marty
Interesting drift.

Friday's Times Union

"Union is ahead of us right now, absolutely," RPI coach Seth Appert said.

Read more: [www.timesunion.com]

You don't say.

marty
Interesting drift.

Friday's Times Union

"We took a step backwards, and that can be expected," RPI athletic director Jim Knowlton said. "We are committed to making progress in the right direction..."

I just realized each team won their regular season title.

Jim Hyla
I just realized each team won their regular season title.

Good to know that I don't have to clear my schedule on Thursday to watch some Union hockey because I will definitely be able to watch them play on Saturday. Why not assume victory? It worked so well for Michigan.

You forgot to mock the boomstix. And the fact that they spelled it boomstix.

Aaron M. Griffin
Good to know that I don't have to clear my schedule on Thursday to watch some Union hockey because I will definitely be able to watch them play on Saturday. Why not assume victory? It worked so well for Michigan.

That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

Josh '99
That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

But they're not handing out "broomsticks." They're handing out "broomstix." It's different.

jtn27

Josh '99
That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

But they're not handing out "broomsticks." They're handing out "broomstix." It's different.

I don't think they're handing out broomsticks OR broomstix.

Josh '99

jtn27

Josh '99
That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

But they're not handing out "broomsticks." They're handing out "broomstix." It's different.

I don't think they're handing out broomsticks OR broomstix.

Hmmm... you appear to be right. I was wondering why they would hand out brooms at a televised showing of a hockey game. Although I still wonder why they would hand out boomstix at a televised showing of a hockey game.

jtn27

Josh '99

jtn27

Josh '99
That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

But they're not handing out "broomsticks." They're handing out "broomstix." It's different.

I don't think they're handing out broomsticks OR broomstix.

Hmmm... you appear to be right. I was wondering why they would hand out brooms at a televised showing of a hockey game. Although I still wonder why they would hand out boomstix at a televised showing of a hockey game ever.

FYP.

The rebranding of thunderstix doesn't make them any less lame.

jtn27

Josh '99

jtn27

Josh '99
That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

But they're not handing out "broomsticks." They're handing out "broomstix." It's different.

I don't think they're handing out broomsticks OR broomstix.

Hmmm... you appear to be right. I was wondering why they would hand out brooms at a televised showing of a hockey game. Although I still wonder why they would hand out boomstix at a televised showing of a hockey game.

I'm guessing the average Union hockey fan would spend hours trying to figure out one an index card with "How do you keep an idiot busy? (Answer on back)" written on both sides, so boomstix will probably amuse them for a week.

Aaron M. Griffin
Good to know that I don't have to clear my schedule on Thursday to watch some Union hockey because I will definitely be able to watch them play on Saturday. Why not assume victory? It worked so well for Michigan.

OK, to be fair it doesn't seem they considering it a given, they're just saying that the administration has a viewing area set aside as needed for both games. Maybe they could add an "if necessary", but that would be awkward for the school to say. Boomstix's are stupid too, and anyone who actually has an appetite during those games is a bad fan.

RichH

jtn27

Josh '99

jtn27

Josh '99
That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

But they're not handing out "broomsticks." They're handing out "broomstix." It's different.

I don't think they're handing out broomsticks OR broomstix.

Hmmm... you appear to be right. I was wondering why they would hand out brooms at a televised showing of a hockey game. Although I still wonder why they would hand out boomstix at a televised showing of a hockey game ever.

FYP.

The rebranding of thunderstix doesn't make them any less lame.

I'm not going to dispute that boom/thunderstix are lame but I at least understand why they're handed out at a stadium/rink for a live event. They're noise makers and stadiums are supposed to be loud. The theory (true or not) is that the noise helps provide a home-field advantage. But to bang them while watching television is just dumb. They will have absolutely no effect on the game.

jtn27

RichH

jtn27

Josh '99

jtn27

Josh '99
That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

But they're not handing out "broomsticks." They're handing out "broomstix." It's different.

I don't think they're handing out broomsticks OR broomstix.

Hmmm... you appear to be right. I was wondering why they would hand out brooms at a televised showing of a hockey game. Although I still wonder why they would hand out boomstix at a televised showing of a hockey game ever.

FYP.

The rebranding of thunderstix doesn't make them any less lame.

I'm not going to dispute that boom/thunderstix are lame but I at least understand why they're handed out at a stadium/rink for a live event. They're noise makers and stadiums are supposed to be loud. The theory (true or not) is that the noise helps provide a home-field advantage. But to bang them while watching television is just dumb. They will have absolutely no effect on the game.

The only effect they ever have on me during a game is kill or leave.

The Albany Times Union has been covering Union hockey with a vengeance. This article from today's paper raises the off-season question "How does one best donate to support Cornell hockey recruiting?"

Kevin Sneddon
While Union remains non-scholarship, Sneddon now sees a different level of commitment under school president Stephen Ainlay as the hockey program's recruiting budget has grown with help from booster contributions.
"I think (the recruiting budget) is probably larger than ours here at UVM, in all honesty," Sneddon said. "That's the kind of support that they've been able to muster there."

The article is also interesting here:

Nate Leaman
Leaman said he's debating whether he wants to go to Tampa for the Frozen Four because he wants the focus to stay on first-year Union coach Rick Bennett, a former Leaman assistant, and the current players.
"I may go down and try to stay real behind the scenes and kind of quietly cheer on the Dutchmen," Leaman said.

Times Union - Leaman and Sneddon

Credit the Shrink

Jim Hyla

jtn27

RichH

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Josh '99

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Josh '99
That's not a boomstick. THIS is a boomstick.

But they're not handing out "broomsticks." They're handing out "broomstix." It's different.

I don't think they're handing out broomsticks OR broomstix.

Hmmm... you appear to be right. I was wondering why they would hand out brooms at a televised showing of a hockey game. Although I still wonder why they would hand out boomstix at a televised showing of a hockey game ever.

FYP.

The rebranding of thunderstix doesn't make them any less lame.

I'm not going to dispute that boom/thunderstix are lame but I at least understand why they're handed out at a stadium/rink for a live event. They're noise makers and stadiums are supposed to be loud. The theory (true or not) is that the noise helps provide a home-field advantage. But to bang them while watching television is just dumb. They will have absolutely no effect on the game.

The only effect they ever have on me during a game is kill or leave.

They're Union fans. They don't need any extra help being annoying. Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

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Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Aaron M. Griffin

css228

Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Silly. When would curling EVER have revenue. They'd let us in to that for free.

bnr24

Aaron M. Griffin

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Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Silly. When would curling EVER have revenue. They'd let us in to that for free.

You're telling me Lynah won't sell out for shuffleboard on ice?

css228

bnr24

Aaron M. Griffin

css228

Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Silly. When would curling EVER have revenue. They'd let us in to that for free.

You're telling me Lynah won't sell out for shuffleboard on ice?

Good point. Maybe it'll bring in more revenue than men's hockey.

css228

bnr24

Aaron M. Griffin

css228

Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Silly. When would curling EVER have revenue. They'd let us in to that for free.

You're telling me Lynah won't sell out for shuffleboard on ice?

I'd definitely watch that.

But then I'm probably the only person here who watches cricket, so.....

Ben

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bnr24

Aaron M. Griffin

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Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Silly. When would curling EVER have revenue. They'd let us in to that for free.

You're telling me Lynah won't sell out for shuffleboard on ice?

I'd definitely watch that.

But then I'm probably the only person here who watches cricket, so.....

You watch crickets? Do you watch grasshoppers too?

Ben

css228

bnr24

Aaron M. Griffin

css228

Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Silly. When would curling EVER have revenue. They'd let us in to that for free.

You're telling me Lynah won't sell out for shuffleboard on ice?

I'd definitely watch that.

But then I'm probably the only person here who watches cricket, so.....

This thread is the true litmus test to see how often jtwcornell91 actually checks this forum these days...

Aaron M. Griffin

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Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Well, the Cornell Curling Club was co-ed and was a club sport, of course. If memory serves, it existed from 2003-06 or so, and received SAFC funding. I believe we looked into getting any of the Ithaca-area rinks to allow club use with no luck, so the club had to travel to Utica for practices, and went to a few Bonspiels, including the national tournament.

[sao.cornell.edu]

jtn27

Ben
But then I'm probably the only person here who watches cricket, so.....

You watch crickets? Do you watch grasshoppers too?

Joe, you need to come up with some new material.

RichH

Aaron M. Griffin

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Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Well, the Cornell Curling Club was co-ed and was a club sport, of course. If memory serves, it existed from 2003-06 or so, and received SAFC funding. I believe we looked into getting any of the Ithaca-area rinks to allow club use with no luck, so the club had to travel to Utica for practices, and went to a few Bonspiels, including the national tournament.

[sao.cornell.edu]

Nice acronym they had while they lasted.

Aaron M. Griffin

RichH

Aaron M. Griffin

css228

Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Well, the Cornell Curling Club was co-ed and was a club sport, of course. If memory serves, it existed from 2003-06 or so, and received SAFC funding. I believe we looked into getting any of the Ithaca-area rinks to allow club use with no luck, so the club had to travel to Utica for practices, and went to a few Bonspiels, including the national tournament.

[sao.cornell.edu]

Nice acronym they had while they lasted.

Yeah, made for a nice sweatshirt theme, too.

RichH

Aaron M. Griffin

RichH

Aaron M. Griffin

css228

Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Well, the Cornell Curling Club was co-ed and was a club sport, of course. If memory serves, it existed from 2003-06 or so, and received SAFC funding. I believe we looked into getting any of the Ithaca-area rinks to allow club use with no luck, so the club had to travel to Utica for practices, and went to a few Bonspiels, including the national tournament.

[sao.cornell.edu]

Nice acronym they had while they lasted.

Yeah, made for a nice sweatshirt theme, too.

The cycling club did too when I was on the The Hill. We used the same acronym for some event. The better Red than dead motto was used with images of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin. If I recall correctly (I don't have the shirt with me), they were Photoshopped to look like they were all at a drinking party with bikes in the background.

After linking on to an article via CHN, I found that the Tampa Bay Times, and why isn't it THE Tampa Bay Times, has been having a nice set of articles on the FF. Here's a link to what they have so far. It includes an article about some NHL players, such as Marty St. Louis and Marty Turco, who have been in the FF.

RichH

Ben

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bnr24

Aaron M. Griffin

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Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Silly. When would curling EVER have revenue. They'd let us in to that for free.

You're telling me Lynah won't sell out for shuffleboard on ice?

I'd definitely watch that.

But then I'm probably the only person here who watches cricket, so.....

This thread is the true litmus test to see how often jtwcornell91 actually checks this forum these days...

Clearly I don't post often enough about cricket or Swiss ice hockey for people to remember me...

Jim Hyla
After linking on to an article via CHN, I found that the Tampa Bay Times, and why isn't it THE Tampa Bay Times, has been having a nice set of articles on the FF. Here's a link to what they have so far. It includes an article about some NHL players, such as Marty St. Louis and Marty Turco, who have been in the FF.

Why are you posting about the Frozen Four here? This is the boomstix/curling/cycling/funny t-shirts thread.

jtn27

Jim Hyla
After linking on to an article via CHN, I found that the Tampa Bay Times, and why isn't it THE Tampa Bay Times, has been having a nice set of articles on the FF. Here's a link to what they have so far. It includes an article about some NHL players, such as Marty St. Louis and Marty Turco, who have been in the FF.

Why are you posting about the Frozen Four here? This is the boomstix/curling/cycling/funny t-shirts thread.

He did mention Tampa Bay. And that has no association with hockey.

marty
The Albany Times Union has been covering Union hockey with a vengeance. This article from today's paper raises the off-season question "How does one best donate to support Cornell hockey recruiting?"

Kevin Sneddon
While Union remains non-scholarship, Sneddon now sees a different level of commitment under school president Stephen Ainlay as the hockey program's recruiting budget has grown with help from booster contributions.
"I think (the recruiting budget) is probably larger than ours here at UVM, in all honesty," Sneddon said. "That's the kind of support that they've been able to muster there."

The article is also interesting here:

Nate Leaman
Leaman said he's debating whether he wants to go to Tampa for the Frozen Four because he wants the focus to stay on first-year Union coach Rick Bennett, a former Leaman assistant, and the current players.
"I may go down and try to stay real behind the scenes and kind of quietly cheer on the Dutchmen," Leaman said.

Times Union - Leaman and Sneddon

Credit the Shrink

From the Credit the Shrink article:

Bzdell, 42, attends every Union home game and postseason game. He even comes into the locker room between periods. He rarely speaks, but his mere presence is a reminder of his core message: "Stick with the process."

Good thing the Union team motto isn't "stick with the system" otherwise we would have to sue them for copyright infringment or something like that.

Rita
Good thing the Union team motto isn't "stick with the system" otherwise we would have to sue them for copyright infringment or something like that.

Well...if you really want to know, it would be patent infringement because it's a process or method.

Also, Schafer has a history of referring to it as "The Process" too. We might still have a claim.

Aaron M. Griffin

Rita
Good thing the Union team motto isn't "stick with the system" otherwise we would have to sue them for copyright infringment or something like that.

Well...if you really want to know, it would be patent infringement because it's a process or method.

Also, Schafer has a history of referring to it as "The Process" too. We might still have a claim.

Since opportunities to comment about something within my field come up pretty infrequently, I'd like to note that a hockey strategy, whether you call it a process or a system, is not likely to be statutory subject matter.

Josh '99

Aaron M. Griffin

Rita
Good thing the Union team motto isn't "stick with the system" otherwise we would have to sue them for copyright infringment or something like that.

Well...if you really want to know, it would be patent infringement because it's a process or method.

Also, Schafer has a history of referring to it as "The Process" too. We might still have a claim.

Since opportunities to comment about something within my field come up pretty infrequently, I'd like to note that a hockey strategy, whether you call it a process or a system, is not likely to be statutory subject matter.

I would rely upon trade secret law rather than patent law were I trying to protect the advantage of a sporting strategy. (Of course, we know that this is largely tongue-in-cheek musings).

I just wanted to point out that a process/method/system would be subject to federal patent law, not copyright law.

Aaron M. Griffin

Josh '99

Aaron M. Griffin

Rita
Good thing the Union team motto isn't "stick with the system" otherwise we would have to sue them for copyright infringment or something like that.

Well...if you really want to know, it would be patent infringement because it's a process or method.

Also, Schafer has a history of referring to it as "The Process" too. We might still have a claim.

Since opportunities to comment about something within my field come up pretty infrequently, I'd like to note that a hockey strategy, whether you call it a process or a system, is not likely to be statutory subject matter.

I would rely upon trade secret law rather than patent law were I trying to protect the advantage of a sporting strategy. (Of course, we know that this is largely tongue-in-cheek musings).

I just wanted to point out that a process/method/system would be subject to federal patent law, not copyright law.

Yes, my tongue was firmly planted in cheek. Because when we have outstanding goalies and defense, it is almost always due to The System.

Ben

jtn27

Ben
But then I'm probably the only person here who watches cricket, so.....

You watch crickets? Do you watch grasshoppers too?

Joe, you need to come up with some new material.

Yes, this is really bugging me. Can you please insect some new material. It doesn't have to bee expensive,locust is fine.

Aaron M. Griffin

RichH

Aaron M. Griffin

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Aaron M. Griffin

jtn27

Aaron M. Griffin
Why tolerate giving them broom/boom/thunder-sticks/stix?

Wouldn't it be great if they actually were giving out broomsticks and I didn't misread that? That would be hilarious.

That would be funny. The only time a broom belongs in a hockey rink is at the end of a weekend sweep though.

Or when its been converted for a weekend curling tournament.

Well played.

But, if Cornell creates a men's curling team, would we have to finance a women's program with the revenue that the men's program accrues?

Well, the Cornell Curling Club was co-ed and was a club sport, of course. If memory serves, it existed from 2003-06 or so, and received SAFC funding. I believe we looked into getting any of the Ithaca-area rinks to allow club use with no luck, so the club had to travel to Utica for practices, and went to a few Bonspiels, including the national tournament.

[sao.cornell.edu]

Nice acronym they had while they lasted.

The Curling Club or the Soviet Union?

Ben

jtn27

Ben
But then I'm probably the only person here who watches cricket, so.....

You watch crickets? Do you watch grasshoppers too?

Joe, you need to come up with some new material.

Ben, I promise to come up with new ways to make fun of the things you like.

Sorry to drift to hockey for a moment, but have the All-Americans been announced yet?

Trotsky
Sorry to drift to hockey for a moment, but have the All-Americans been announced yet?

Last year, All-Americans were announced just prior to the awards ceremony for the Humanitarian Award and the Hobey Baker Award, which was the day between the Semi & the Final. No reason to think it will be different this year. This is the source: [www.ahcahockey.com]

From USCHO, sorry Adam, is this a neat picture or what?

Interesting quotes from the Tampa Bay Times continuing series on the FF. I have to say this seems like the most extensive series of articles by a local paper that I'm ever seen before a FF. Does anyne else remember another?

After talking about Union's Shayne Gostisbehere who is a Florida native, they go on:

Seventeen Floridians played Division I hockey this season. Brian Ferlin, a Jacksonville native who plays for Cornell, was the only other one to appear in the NCAA Tournament. Ferris State eliminated fourth-seeded Cornell, 2-1, in the Midwest region final.

We only wish.

Another measurement sets the pairings apart. There are 26 NHL draft picks on the rosters of the Eagles and Golden Gophers. There are none from Union or Ferris State.

If you haven't looked at their series you should, they started publishing articles 3/19, and they are all neatly indexed.

Piece from a Wall Street Journal writer who, as a student, campaigned against the elevation of Union's program to Division I status:
[online.wsj.com]

Ferris 0 Union 0 after 1

Union leading 1-0 late in the second.

Ouch, ugly Union turnover right in front of Grosenick, 1-1.

Ferris takes the late lead, 2-1

edit: Ferris adds an empty net goal with 54.8 seconds left, 3-1

edit: 3-1 Final

3-1 Ferris State after an ENG

Good season, Onion. Solid showing tonight.

Well Barry was right.

"Something's gonna change or something's gonna stay the same" -Barry Melrose #FrozenFour #deepthoughts

— Adriano Manocchia (@SalsaSharkNet) April 5, 2012

Jordan 04
Good season, Onion. Solid showing tonight.

Yep, didn't embarrass the league, and that's important.

Best season collectively for the current ECAC teams since 1990, and for the league, whatever the membership, since 1997.

1-0 BC

Trotsky
Sorry to drift to hockey for a moment, but have the All-Americans been announced yet?

[www.ahcahockey.com]

Union leads the way nationally with 3 A-A selections. You don't want to know the only school with more than one 1st Team selections. ECAC & WCHA tie with seven All-Americans.

RichH

Trotsky
Sorry to drift to hockey for a moment, but have the All-Americans been announced yet?

[www.ahcahockey.com]

Union leads the way nationally with 3 A-A selections. You don't want to know the only school with more than one 1st Team selections. ECAC & WCHA tie with seven All-Americans.

I find this list to be offensive. 2 Hahvahd players on the 1st team and no Cornell players on either team? I demand a recount.

jtn27

RichH

Trotsky
Sorry to drift to hockey for a moment, but have the All-Americans been announced yet?

[www.ahcahockey.com]

Union leads the way nationally with 3 A-A selections. You don't want to know the only school with more than one 1st Team selections. ECAC & WCHA tie with seven All-Americans.

I find this list to be offensive. 2 Hahvahd players on the 1st team and no Cornell players on either team? I demand a recount.

Cornell is a team. Harvard, like BU, is a bridge.

Two articles on the BC plan. First from CHN and the second from USCHO. So how come York has only won one National Coach of the Year, and that when he was at Clakson? Who wouldn't take him as their coach?

And this from INCH, make Tampa the permanent FF host.

Jim Hyla
And this from INCH, make Tampa the permanent FF host.

It's impossible to get cheap plane tickets to Florida during April. Don't know why, although I can speculate; it just is what it is.

Kyle Rose

Jim Hyla
And this from INCH, make Tampa the permanent FF host.

It's impossible to get cheap plane tickets to Florida during April. Don't know why, although I can speculate; it just is what it is.

After looking all fall at prices not less than $500 roundtrip, I lucked out when Southwest dropped their fares in February to $120 each way. I'm sure they were back to being sky-high for the past two weeks in time for the "we're going if our team makes it" club. Airline fare games are so maddening.

Kyle Rose

Jim Hyla
And this from INCH, make Tampa the permanent FF host.

It's impossible to get cheap plane tickets to Florida during April. Don't know why, although I can speculate; it just is what it is.

Northeast childrens school break?