What makes a great/bad college hockey jersey?

As a separate thread what makes a great/bad college hockey jersey, aside from our beloved Red which of course is the best on the planet. Please post examples. Here is an example of bland nothing:

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and here is one I like

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What makes a great hockey jersey? I'm guessing one of the strongest influences is whether or not you're a fan of the team whose particular jersey is in question!

What you call "bland nothing" I call "classic." I certainly didn't like the Harvard men's hockey teams of the 1990s, but at least they didn't start slapping that goofy pilgrim-looking guy all over their jerseys.

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What you call "bland nothing" I call "classic."

Agree. One of the best things about Harvard's unis is that they've changed little over the years. There was a brief period when they sported an ugly large "H" on the chest, but that seems to have passed blessedly into oblivion.

I'm not a big fan of two tones of the same color on a uni, a la Maine. Or script lettering. Double stripes everywhere, a la the BU throwbacks of a year or two ago, can be hard on the eyes. Block numbers are easiest to see. Keep things simple. Avoid frequent makeovers. And don't mess with what's classic (e.g., see the atrocities Navy wore in yesterday's Army-Navy game).

INCH's take on this. I think they're generally right that is best to avoid cartoonish jerseys (e.g. Ferris State). Most of our league has pretty classy jerseys, especially some of the non-Ivy's like SLU, RPI and Clarkson's away greens. Clean, classic jerseys, good color schemes, Princeton's black jerseys are pretty sweet, but I'm not a big fan of the whites or the oranges they occasionally use. Least favorite in the league are Union and QPac, for different reasons. QPac is just too busy, Union's color scheme is just not my thing. As for the other simple jersey's in the league (Colgate, Yale and Dartmouth) I just don't think they have the history and tradition to back it up. I tend to feel the understated simple look works best when you have tons of tradition to speak for you (e,g, schools like Michigan, Minnestoa, BU, Wisconsin, and of course Cornell). The plain blue and white works for Penn State football because it has history. UNC basketball's classy blue and white jerseys don't need need alteration because of instant recognizability (please get rid of the hologram you guys added to the back). Something like Yale just doesn't work because the jerseys don't conjure up images of great Yale hockey past the same way Minnesota's sweaters do. But overall ECAC hockey doesn't have many bad jersey's, it just has some that are fantastic and some that leave me ambivalent. And Maine's jersey's are great, both home and away.

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INCH's take on this. I think they're generally right that is best to avoid cartoonish jerseys (e.g. Ferris State). Most of our league has pretty classy jerseys, especially some of the non-Ivy's like SLU, RPI and Clarkson's away greens. Clean, classic jerseys, good color schemes, Princeton's black jerseys are pretty sweet, but I'm not a big fan of the whites or the oranges they occasionally use. Least favorite in the league are Union and QPac, for different reasons. QPac is just too busy, Union's color scheme is just not my thing. As for the other simple jersey's in the league (Colgate, Yale and Dartmouth) I just don't think they have the history and tradition to back it up. I tend to feel the understated simple look works best when you have tons of tradition to speak for you (e,g, schools like Michigan, Minnestoa, BU, Wisconsin, and of course Cornell). The plain blue and white works for Penn State football because I has history. UNC basketball's classy blue and white jerseys don't need need alteration because of instant recognizably (please get rid of the hologram you guys added to the back). Something like Yale just doesn't work because the jerseys don't conjure up images of great Yale hockey past the same way Minnesota's sweaters do. But overall ECAC hockey doesn't have many bad jersey's, it just has some that are fantastic and some that leave me ambivalent. And Maine's jersey's are great, both home and away.

I am fairly certain that Yale would beg to differ. They have begun historical revision and now claim that they have a proud hockey tradition. Yale contends that it is the oldest collegiate hockey program in the nation. I think that some of Yale's program's propaganda even claims that they introduced the sport of hockey to the United States. As for their sweaters, I don't mind their away blues (as much as it pains me to admit that I like something from Yale), but their home whites are not aesthetically pleasing.

I like Union's color scheme. I like how their whites are the same as BU/Red Wings jerseys but with "garnet" sleeves. I like their prominent display of a version of the Union College seal on the front of that jersey as well. The black jerseys they use are nice too. I like the contrast between the "garnet," black, and white, and the fact that with those jerseys they avoided descendants into cartoonishness by using just "Union" emblazoned across the front.

Other than that, I agree with your conclusions. Quinnipiac's jersey look cartoonish. I do like the use of crests on the shoulder panels of both Harvard's and RPI's jerseys. Were Cornell to introduce a promotional jersey for an event (for an outdoor game perhaps) or an alternative jersey, I think it would be acceptable to include the Cornell University crest in a similar manner.

Worst jerseys in college hockey are those that use the cartoonish logos prominently displayed: Minnesota-Duluth, Alaska-Anchorage (not the jersey that reads "Seawolves" diagonally, I might dislike the color scheme more than the logo), and Ferris State. I do like Michigan State's jersey despite its use of a logo prominently, probably because the jersey other than the use of the Spartan helmet is traditional in its use of color and name placement.

One jersey that I despise that will become probably a jersey of a DI hockey program next year is the current jerseys that the Penn State hockey team wears. If the Nittany Lion logo is to be present on the jersey, I wish it were understated on he sleeves or shoulders rather than forced on the front in a manner that forces the team name and the logo to appear thrown together. The use of gray piping is a horrible design choice. I think that Penn State should err more toward its traditional football roots with classic simplicity, so adding a color to the palette for their hockey sweater makes no sense. (Yes, I know that other Penn State teams use gray in their color schemes). I think the colored piping in general on these jerseys is atrocious. I hope that Penn States changes to something more traditional before their DI debut. Better yet, I hope (knowing that it is unlikely) that Penn State will debut new jerseys that will represent the future Penn State sweater at their January 4, 2012 game at Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia as part of the Winter Classic festivities so that I will not have to endure seeing this sweater again.

Aaron M. Griffin

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INCH's take on this. I think they're generally right that is best to avoid cartoonish jerseys (e.g. Ferris State). Most of our league has pretty classy jerseys, especially some of the non-Ivy's like SLU, RPI and Clarkson's away greens. Clean, classic jerseys, good color schemes, Princeton's black jerseys are pretty sweet, but I'm not a big fan of the whites or the oranges they occasionally use. Least favorite in the league are Union and QPac, for different reasons. QPac is just too busy, Union's color scheme is just not my thing. As for the other simple jersey's in the league (Colgate, Yale and Dartmouth) I just don't think they have the history and tradition to back it up. I tend to feel the understated simple look works best when you have tons of tradition to speak for you (e,g, schools like Michigan, Minnestoa, BU, Wisconsin, and of course Cornell). The plain blue and white works for Penn State football because I has history. UNC basketball's classy blue and white jerseys don't need need alteration because of instant recognizably (please get rid of the hologram you guys added to the back). Something like Yale just doesn't work because the jerseys don't conjure up images of great Yale hockey past the same way Minnesota's sweaters do. But overall ECAC hockey doesn't have many bad jersey's, it just has some that are fantastic and some that leave me ambivalent. And Maine's jersey's are great, both home and away.

I am fairly certain that Yale would beg to differ. They have begun historical revision and now claim that they have a proud hockey tradition. Yale contends that it is the oldest collegiate hockey program in the nation. I think that some of Yale's program's propaganda even claims that they introduced the sport of hockey to the United States. As for their sweaters, I don't mind their away blues (as much as it pains me to admit that I like something from Yale), but their home whites are not aesthetically pleasing.

I like Union's color scheme. I like how their whites are the same as BU/Red Wings jerseys but with "garnet" sleeves. I like their prominent display of a version of the Union College seal on the front of that jersey as well. The black jerseys they use are nice too. I like the contrast between the "garnet," black, and white, and the fact that with those jerseys they avoided descendants into cartoonishness by using just "Union" emblazoned across the front.

Other than that, I agree with your conclusions. Quinnipiac's jersey look cartoonish. I do like the use of crests on the shoulder panels of both Harvard's and RPI's jerseys. Were Cornell to introduce a promotional jersey for an event (for an outdoor game perhaps) or an alternative jersey, I think it would be acceptable to include the Cornell University crest in a similar manner.

Worst jerseys in college hockey are those that use the cartoonish logos prominently displayed: Minnesota-Duluth, Alaska-Anchorage (not the jersey that reads "Seawolves" diagonally, I might dislike the color scheme more than the logo), and Ferris State. I do like Michigan State's jersey despite its use of a logo prominently, probably because the jersey other than the use of the Spartan helmet is traditional in its use of color and name placement.

One jersey that I despise that will become probably a jersey of a DI hockey program next year is the current jerseys that the Penn State hockey team wears. If the Nittany Lion logo is to be present on the jersey, I wish it were understated on he sleeves or shoulders rather than forced on the front in a manner that forces the team name and the logo to appear thrown together. The use of gray piping is a horrible design choice. I think that Penn State should err more toward its traditional football roots with classic simplicity, so adding a color to the palette for their hockey sweater makes no sense. (Yes, I know that other Penn State teams use gray in their color schemes). I think the colored piping in general on these jerseys is atrocious. I hope that Penn States changes to something more traditional before their DI debut. Better yet, I hope (knowing that it is unlikely) that Penn State will debut new jerseys that will represent the future Penn State sweater at their January 4, 2012 game at Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia as part of the Winter Classic festivities so that I will not have to endure seeing this sweater again.

Penn State could be better but its not a terrible one. As far as Yale goes, the away blues are nice, I was referring more to their home whites. As for Union, I don't know something just doesn't sit right with me, but it is a bit unfair to criticize a school on their color scheme as long as they are staying true to their school colors. You have to work with the colors you're given. I agree that a crest on a special alternate would be nice, but its not necessarily great on a regular basis. One more note, Clarkson's home whites with the Knight helmet are disappointing.

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One more note, Clarkson's home whites with the Knight helmet are disappointing.

I agree entirely. I wasn't going to point that out, but I feel that they are disappointing when compared to their other jerseys and the jerseys in the rest of the ECAC.

For Penn State, I am probably just being biased that a school with such traditions in most other sports (when Nike encouraged them to get flashier and more Oregon-esque with their football jerseys last season, Penn State responded with requesting new jerseys from Nike that removed the white trim on the neck and sleeves of their jerseys) and classic looks uses that sweater on the ice. I feel that Penn State would be more in line with what one would expect of a Penn State hockey sweater if they followed a simple design like that used on Michigan's (especially their diagonal maize sweater) and Cornell's jerseys.

I actually like Maine's a lot -- the two-tone blues work for me. I also like BC's a lot.

I don't know if I can list the attributes of what makes it good or bad, though. Hockey sweaters are like porn in that regard.

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I would say Cornell's current jerseys are pretty much it. Classic, clean and catches the eye.

I like simple and classic. Not a lot of colors and stripes and not a lot of patterns. To be honest, I've always like Dartmouth's sweaters.

If a logo is used instead of words, it needs to be simple and not-cartoonish - think Boston Bruins, Montreal Canadiens, Minnesota North-Stars, I think those Penn Sate unis would work if it was just the words or just the logo, but not both. Shoulder logos are OK if they're simple and complimentary - like the Blackhawks "C" with crossed tomahawks or even the Avalanche's bigfeet. Logos that can only be drawn by a professional artist are out, e.g. Florida Panthers, Nashville Predators, Quinnipiac Fighting Deer Ticks. And if you create a new logo just to sell merchandise, that's a non-starter.

If you're going to put words there it needs to be traditional block fonts. Like Cornell. No cursive writing. I've always liked the Rangers traditional sweater with the word Rangers running diagonally, but I hate the shield and the statue of liberty logos. But I detest single letters like Minnesota or Michigan, though that might just be because I dislike those teams.

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One more note, Clarkson's home whites with the Knight helmet are disappointing.

I couldn't agree more. I don't like any of the "cartoon like" sweaters, tUMD, Clarkson, Qpac etc.

Jeff Hopkins '82
I like simple and classic. Not a lot of colors and stripes and not a lot of patterns. To be honest, I've always like Dartmouth's sweaters.

If a logo is used instead of words, it needs to be simple and not-cartoonish - think Boston Bruins, Montreal Canadiens, Minnesota North-Stars, I think those Penn Sate unis would work if it was just the words or just the logo, but not both. Shoulder logos are OK if they're simple and complimentary - like the Blackhawks "C" with crossed tomahawks or even the Avalanche's bigfeet. Logos that can only be drawn by a professional artist are out, e.g. Florida Panthers, Nashville Predators, Quinnipiac Fighting Deer Ticks. And if you create a new logo just to sell merchandise, that's a non-starter.

If you're going to put words there it needs to be traditional block fonts. Like Cornell. No cursive writing. I've always liked the Rangers traditional sweater with the word Rangers running diagonally, but I hate the shield and the statue of liberty logos. But I detest single letters like Minnesota or Michigan, though that might just be because I dislike those teams.

Agree 100%, except that sometimes Dartmouth goes away from the "classic" look and does strange things. Once, maybe ten years or so ago, they elongated the Dartmouth lettering on the front to the point where it was illegible. And there may have been times when they went to double stripes everywhere, which is just too busy and hard on the eyes. But dark green on white, or vice versa, is a nice look, with no frills or fripperies.

You want bad? From ECAC article on Spengler Cup.

You know what makes a bad college hockey jersey? Sparkle cloth.



Also: mustard yellow. I'm trying to find a picture of those awful alternates that Clarkson had a few years back but I keep getting pictures of that prick David Clarkson instead.

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And if you create a new logo just to sell merchandise, that's a non-starter.

*ahem*

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Most of our league has pretty classy jerseys, especially some of the non-Ivy's like SLU, RPI and Clarkson's away greens.

Clarkson?? Green and yellow?!? MY EYES!

To make things worse, they had a third jersey a couple of years ago (not sure if it's the same one Josh was referring to) that attempted to ameliorate things by adding black to the picture. Sorry, green-and-yellow color schemes, but not even black can help you.

Jeff Hopkins '82
If you're going to put words there it needs to be traditional block fonts. Like Cornell. No cursive writing. I've always liked the Rangers traditional sweater with the word Rangers running diagonally, but I hate the shield and the statue of liberty logos. But I detest single letters like Minnesota or Michigan, though that might just be because I dislike those teams.

I disagree (as long as you have a decent-looking single letter -- Minnesota's M is sort of strange). Your brand is your brand. You go to Ann Arbor, and you see that maize-colored M everywhere you look -- on No Parking signs, buses (and the buses even occasionally display "Hail To The Victors" on their electronic destination signs -- I think that's freaking SWEET), etc. Actually, largely from having been there a few times, I kinda wish CU had its act together more and did pretty much the same thing, by going with a consistent typeface and branding throughout everything (both on athletic uniforms and otherwise), and sticking with it. If I remember correctly, the football, baseball, and lacrosse teams have different typefaces than, say, hockey and hoops. What's up with that? All the teams represent the same university, don't they?

I know everyone is totally married to the traditional CU jerseys that we've always had, so I know I'm risking getting kicked off the forum and out of Lynah for saying this, but I certainly wouldn't mind going with just the big, college block, single letter C on the front of our sweaters. Why should anyone have to spell out what the C is for? People should see the C and instantly know that it's for dear old Cornell. And that we're gonna kick your asses.

HeafDog

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Most of our league has pretty classy jerseys, especially some of the non-Ivy's like SLU, RPI and Clarkson's away greens.

Clarkson?? Green and yellow?!? MY EYES!

To make things worse, they had a third jersey a couple of years ago (not sure if it's the same one Josh was referring to) that attempted to ameliorate things by adding black to the picture. Sorry, green-and-yellow color schemes, but not even black can help you.

Green and gold fits the character of the nickname.

Clarkson's traditional sweaters are fantastic. The little Knight Plume thing is awful. And the notorious mustard throw-up third jersey of a few years ago had a level of hideous only Western Michigan has approached.

"What makes a great/bad hockey jersey?" is fairly straightforward:

great: simple / bad: busy

The gold WMU jerseys are somewhere between hideous and bizarre.

HeafDog

css228
Most of our league has pretty classy jerseys, especially some of the non-Ivy's like SLU, RPI and Clarkson's away greens.

Clarkson?? Green and yellow?!? MY EYES!

To make things worse, they had a third jersey a couple of years ago (not sure if it's the same one Josh was referring to) that attempted to ameliorate things by adding black to the picture. Sorry, green-and-yellow color schemes, but not even black can help you.

Nah, I'm fine with green and gold as a general color scheme so long as green is the dominant color and the gold (which as you point out is really yellow when you make clothing out of it) is restricted to being an accent color. It's using the gold as the primary color that's the problem.

(I know I'm late to the party)

Mustard yellow: you mean like Nashville and Boston's third jerseys at some point in time? Cuz those are damn ugly and regardless of who they're playing in those jerseys, I have no idea what happens in those games because all I can think is "Damn, that's an ugly shade of yellow!"

Jeff Hopkins '82
... But I detest single letters like Minnesota or Michigan, though that might just be because I dislike those teams.

A good hip check on the Gopher and as he sails end over end, it looks like he's skating for Wisconsin.

We can only hope that Nike doesn't opt to redesign hockey jerseys. (Nike unveils 'platinum' hoops uniforms) Even if they do, we may be safe as the Nike brand didn't exist the last time we won a national championship. (The teams selected have won NCAA titles wearing Nike gear: the Arizona, UConn, Duke, Florida, Kentucky, North Carolina and Syracuse men and the Baylor and UConn women.)

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We can only hope that Nike doesn't opt to redesign hockey jerseys. (Nike unveils 'platinum' hoops uniforms) Even if they do, we may be safe as the Nike brand didn't exist the last time we won a national championship. (The teams selected have won NCAA titles wearing Nike gear: the Arizona, UConn, Duke, Florida, Kentucky, North Carolina and Syracuse men and the Baylor and UConn women.)

Ah. Too late. Two words: "Nike Swift." Perhaps you weren't around for the 2006 Everblades Tournament and the related pulling of hair & gnashing of teeth, as the new design gave all the test schools (which included Cornell) vertical striping, to match the Swift's rollout in international play. Check out this thread for all the details and photos:

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FWIW, Over at least the past 20 years, the CU team has switched between Bauer & CCM jerseys. Nike bought Bauer, and began to brand their jerseys with the swoosh about a decade ago. Nike sold off Bauer in 2008. CCM was bought by Reebok/Adidas. NHL jerseys were rebranded with Reebok logos, and the RBK EDGE jersey was introduced (similar to the Nike Swift).

I figured that considering we are more than a month away from the first regular-season game of the season I would resurrect this thread. Penn State released its jerseys for its first NCAA Division I season today and I think they present ample fodder for conversation on this thread's topic. Here they are. Thoughts? I enjoy how the whites are blue versions of Cornell's home whites with the Nittany Lion logo in place of the Cornell block lettering.

Like it. Move the numbers down to the upper arm just above the stripe and add the same logo, smaller, on the shoulder. Helmet should be the same as football's white with a navy equatorial stripe. No logo.

And nameplates are OK on the jersies at Penn State now.

I like the laces too!!

AAron- did you add the nameplate? I didn't think it was there when I first saw your post...

Get rid of the logo and replace with a simple PENN STATE, and they'd have something.

TimV
AAron- did you add the nameplate? I didn't think it was there when I first saw your post...

No, I didn't add the nameplate. The aways have no name on the back and an embroidered Nittany Lion logo at the top. The whites have a nameplate. And, to answer your other question/comment, they will have helmets like PSU football helmets that are white with the blue stripe down the middle.

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TimV
AAron- did you add the nameplate? I didn't think it was there when I first saw your post...

No, I didn't add the nameplate. The aways have no name on the back and an embroidered Nittany Lion logo at the top. The whites have a nameplate. And, to answer your other question/comment, they will have helmets like PSU football helmets that are white with the blue stripe down the middle.

Solid. Really like those jerseys. Especially the away blues. They're really sharp.

I suppose you want that all caps, arranged in an arc. Any particular font?

TimV
I suppose you want that all caps, arranged in an arc. Any particular font?

No arc. Just "STATE." Basic font.

The classic look:

For comparison, here's what they had hanging on the wall-of-jerseys at the Frozen Four in Tampa (lower left). I assume it's what Penn St. has been wearing in the AHCA.



Me, I'm still wondering why all 18 variants of Michigan aren't up there.

RichH
For comparison, here's what they had hanging on the wall-of-jerseys at the Frozen Four in Tampa (lower left). I assume it's what Penn St. has been wearing in the AHCA.

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Me, I'm still wondering why all 18 variants of Michigan aren't up there.

I'm glad I am not alone in thinking Michigan's rebranding every season and different jersey for almost every game is ridiculous. One thing I liked other than the simplicity of the Penn State design is that it did not come with four forms like Michigan this coming season.

Yes, that was the ACHA era jersey. The home jerseys looked like:

RichH
Me, I'm still wondering why all 18 variants of Michigan aren't up there.

They had a whole wall for that down the hall.

RichH
For comparison, here's what they had hanging on the wall-of-jerseys at the Frozen Four in Tampa (lower left). I assume it's what Penn St. has been wearing in the AHCA.

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Me, I'm still wondering why all 18 variants of Michigan aren't up there.

I like either the jersey with just the logo, or Trotsky's proposed jersey with just the text, better than this one with the logo and the text, which I think is too busy. The only way that doesn't look bad (see also the RIT jersey on the top left) is if the text is integrated into the logo (see the LSSU jersey on the bottom right).

Aaron M. Griffin
Yes, that was the ACHA era jersey. The home jerseys looked like:

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Christ on a crutch, those helmets look awful. Michigan is a special case; otherwise don't wear football helmets to a hocket game!

jtwcornell91

Aaron M. Griffin
Yes, that was the ACHA era jersey. The home jerseys looked like:

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Christ on a crutch, those helmets look awful. Michigan is a special case; otherwise don't wear football helmets to a hocket game!

Also, eye black.

RichH

jtwcornell91

Aaron M. Griffin
Yes, that was the ACHA era jersey. The home jerseys looked like:

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Christ on a crutch, those helmets look awful. Michigan is a special case; otherwise don't wear football helmets to a hocket game!

Also, eye black.

The eye black has an explanation. This photo is taken from the game that Penn State played at Citizens Bank on the 2012 Winter Classic rink. Most players in outdoor games use eye black. It supposedly reduces glare from the sun and lights off of the ice surface.

Aaron M. Griffin

RichH

jtwcornell91

Aaron M. Griffin
Yes, that was the ACHA era jersey. The home jerseys looked like:

Morrone.png

Christ on a crutch, those helmets look awful. Michigan is a special case; otherwise don't wear football helmets to a hocket game!

Also, eye black.

The eye black has an explanation. This photo is taken from the game that Penn State played at Citizens Bank on the 2012 Winter Classic rink. Most players in outdoor games use eye black. It supposedly reduces glare from the sun and lights off of the ice surface.

Given that context the photo lacked, I withdraw my mockery of the eye black. As for the stripe, I refer the right honourable gentleman to the comments jtwcornell91 made some moments ago.

RichH

Aaron M. Griffin

RichH

jtwcornell91

Aaron M. Griffin
Yes, that was the ACHA era jersey. The home jerseys looked like:

Morrone.png

Christ on a crutch, those helmets look awful. Michigan is a special case; otherwise don't wear football helmets to a hocket game!

Also, eye black.

The eye black has an explanation. This photo is taken from the game that Penn State played at Citizens Bank on the 2012 Winter Classic rink. Most players in outdoor games use eye black. It supposedly reduces glare from the sun and lights off of the ice surface.

Given that context the photo lacked, I withdraw my mockery of the eye black. As for the stripe, I refer the right honourable gentleman to the comments jtwcornell91 made some moments ago.

I agree with the helmet criticism. The one addendum to jtwcornell91's initial comment that I would prefer is to have no exception for Michigan. I find the winged hockey helmet just as ridiculous as Penn State football helmets on ice.

Aaron M. Griffin
I find the winged hockey helmet just as ridiculous as Penn State football helmets on ice.

Agree. It just looks goofy on a hockey player.

And we should remember that it's supposed to look like a fierce tiger with his ears pinned back. The design was introduced by Fritz Crisler when he coached football at Princeton.

Al DeFlorio

Aaron M. Griffin
I find the winged hockey helmet just as ridiculous as Penn State football helmets on ice.

Agree. It just looks goofy on a hockey player.

And we should remember that it's supposed to look like a fierce tiger with his ears pinned back. The design was introduced by Fritz Crisler when he coached football at Princeton.

I'm not seeing that at all.

jtn27

Al DeFlorio

Aaron M. Griffin
I find the winged hockey helmet just as ridiculous as Penn State football helmets on ice.

Agree. It just looks goofy on a hockey player.

And we should remember that it's supposed to look like a fierce tiger with his ears pinned back. The design was introduced by Fritz Crisler when he coached football at Princeton.

I'm not seeing that at all.

http://www.princeton.edu/football/helmet.html

The orange band above the forehead is the top of a tiger's head and the so-called "wings" are the tiger's pinned-back ears. The stripes are...well...tiger stripes.

Al DeFlorio

jtn27

Al DeFlorio

Aaron M. Griffin
I find the winged hockey helmet just as ridiculous as Penn State football helmets on ice.

Agree. It just looks goofy on a hockey player.

And we should remember that it's supposed to look like a fierce tiger with his ears pinned back. The design was introduced by Fritz Crisler when he coached football at Princeton.

I'm not seeing that at all.

http://www.princeton.edu/football/helmet.html

The orange band above the forehead is the top of a tiger's head and the so-called "wings" are the tiger's pinned-back ears. The stripes are...well...tiger stripes.

"When Crisler left Princeton in 1938, he took the helmet design with him to Michigan, where in maize and blue it became an icon of that university's football program. This distinctive helmet design which originated at Princeton - where intercollegiate football was born -..."

Michigan sports have certainly benefitted from Ivy League creativity. Just think without us, they would have common, plain old football helmets and nothing but that damn annoying song to listen to at their hockey games.

Happy Friday. Only 29 more days until the red/white game.......

Rita

Al DeFlorio

jtn27

Al DeFlorio

Aaron M. Griffin
I find the winged hockey helmet just as ridiculous as Penn State football helmets on ice.

Agree. It just looks goofy on a hockey player.

And we should remember that it's supposed to look like a fierce tiger with his ears pinned back. The design was introduced by Fritz Crisler when he coached football at Princeton.

I'm not seeing that at all.

http://www.princeton.edu/football/helmet.html

The orange band above the forehead is the top of a tiger's head and the so-called "wings" are the tiger's pinned-back ears. The stripes are...well...tiger stripes.

"When Crisler left Princeton in 1938, he took the helmet design with him to Michigan, where in maize and blue it became an icon of that university's football program. This distinctive helmet design which originated at Princeton - where intercollegiate football was born -..."

Michigan sports have certainly benefitted from Ivy League creativity. Just think without us, they would have common, plain old football helmets and nothing but that damn annoying song to listen to at their hockey games.

Happy Friday. Only 29 more days until the red/white game.......

Victors antidote!

Something for the people in the stands.

Union unveiled new jerseys at its media days. I know into which camp that I would put them. I preferred their homes from last season.

How is that any different?

French Rage
How is that any different?

Not much. Mainly that the shoulder panels are now colored and have contrasting piping in black and the sleeves no longer have the garnet accent but instead have a garnet band. The only jerseys:

Aaron M. Griffin

French Rage
How is that any different?

Not much. Mainly that the shoulder panels are now colored and have contrasting piping in black and the sleeves no longer have the garnet accent but instead have a garnet band. The only jerseys:

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Who cares?

Jim Hyla

Aaron M. Griffin

French Rage
How is that any different?

Not much. Mainly that the shoulder panels are now colored and have contrasting piping in black and the sleeves no longer have the garnet accent but instead have a garnet band. The only jerseys:

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Who cares?

Perhaps people who read things like uni-watch do. Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean you have to harsh on this thread.

Also, I like how if I don't scroll all the way up to get the whole photo in my browser window, I can make the reflection of the dasher logo read "Onion"

RichH

Jim Hyla

Aaron M. Griffin

French Rage
How is that any different?

Not much. Mainly that the shoulder panels are now colored and have contrasting piping in black and the sleeves no longer have the garnet accent but instead have a garnet band. The only jerseys:

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Who cares?

Perhaps people who read things like uni-watch do. Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean you have to harsh on this thread.

Also, I like how if I don't scroll all the way up to get the whole photo in my browser window, I can make the reflection of the dasher logo read "Onion"

You're right, I should have put a smiley in there. I wasn't trying to slam the idea, but rather who cares about Union. Sort of like what some schools do during the intros of players. My bad. But, now that you brought it up, how do I harsh?

Jim Hyla

RichH

Jim Hyla

Aaron M. Griffin

French Rage
How is that any different?

Not much. Mainly that the shoulder panels are now colored and have contrasting piping in black and the sleeves no longer have the garnet accent but instead have a garnet band. The only jerseys:

628x471.jpg

Who cares?

Perhaps people who read things like uni-watch do. Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean you have to harsh on this thread.

Also, I like how if I don't scroll all the way up to get the whole photo in my browser window, I can make the reflection of the dasher logo read "Onion"

You're right, I should have put a smiley in there. I wasn't trying to slam the idea, but rather who cares about Union. Sort of like what some schools do during the intros of players. My bad. But, now that you brought it up, how do I harsh?

I hear you, and no need for apologies. But the entire thread is about discussions about other teams' jerseys, so a brief discussion about Union's changes is OK, I feel.

My question is why bother making a change like this? I understand teams changing their jersey in an effort to pump up merchandise sales. But a minor adjustment like this won't do that. So why make changes like this (and then "unveil" them, as if anyone should really care all that much).

KeithK
My question is why bother making a change like this? I understand teams changing their jersey in an effort to pump up merchandise sales. But a minor adjustment like this won't do that. So why make changes like this (and then "unveil" them, as if anyone should really care all that much).

That's a question that Clarkson fans should answer. I feel that no other school in the league does more "unveiling" events than they do. Most teams have yearly jersey changes in the ECAC without making a big deal about it...save for the RPI "black out" charity versions, but the only team to do events where they model the new unis live in Potsdam. Really, the most consistent teams in the league (since the '80s) as far as jerseys go have been Cornell and St. Lawrence.

I think.

KeithK
My question is why bother making a change like this? I understand teams changing their jersey in an effort to pump up merchandise sales. But a minor adjustment like this won't do that. So why make changes like this (and then "unveil" them, as if anyone should really care all that much).

I think you answered your own question: it's precisely to pump up merchandise sales. Sure, it may not be by a lot, but making a big deal out of unveiling new jerseys represents cheap (maybe even free) advertising. Just look at what the NFL did in the spring. They had weeks of build up and a huge event just to reveal new jerseys that looked exactly the same except for a Nike logo instead of a Reebok one. However, they got free media attention that probably led to an increase in jersey sales. Union is basically doing the same thing, except on a smaller scale.

jtn27

KeithK
My question is why bother making a change like this? I understand teams changing their jersey in an effort to pump up merchandise sales. But a minor adjustment like this won't do that. So why make changes like this (and then "unveil" them, as if anyone should really care all that much).

I think you answered your own question: it's precisely to pump up merchandise sales. Sure, it may not be by a lot, but making a big deal out of unveiling new jerseys represents cheap (maybe even free) advertising. Just look at what the NFL did in the spring. They had weeks of build up and a huge event just to reveal new jerseys that looked exactly the same except for a Nike logo instead of a Reebok one. However, they got free media attention that probably led to an increase in jersey sales. Union is basically doing the same thing, except on a smaller scale.

I would almost guarantee you, that no matter what Union does, they take a loss on producing and selling their jeresys.

jtn27

KeithK
My question is why bother making a change like this? I understand teams changing their jersey in an effort to pump up merchandise sales. But a minor adjustment like this won't do that. So why make changes like this (and then "unveil" them, as if anyone should really care all that much).

I think you answered your own question: it's precisely to pump up merchandise sales. Sure, it may not be by a lot, but making a big deal out of unveiling new jerseys represents cheap (maybe even free) advertising. Just look at what the NFL did in the spring. They had weeks of build up and a huge event just to reveal new jerseys that looked exactly the same except for a Nike logo instead of a Reebok one. However, they got free media attention that probably led to an increase in jersey sales. Union is basically doing the same thing, except on a smaller scale.

Another factor is vendor costs. As styles change in the hockey world in general, different styles probably are offered and discontinued. When the Penguins changed their logo in the mid-90s and added the pointy shoulder panels, a bunch of minor-league & college teams appeared with that style, for example. Athletic Departments probably have contracts with different vendors and probably shop around for the best deal. Union's new sweaters only have minor changes from last year, and I don't recognize the logo of the supplier that's on the neckline. It's probably a lowest-bidder situation, as well as a supply-demand factor in choosing the jersey blanks. Cornell's on-ice jersey has flipped from being produced by CCM to Bauer to Nike and back again several times.

RichH

jtn27

KeithK
My question is why bother making a change like this? I understand teams changing their jersey in an effort to pump up merchandise sales. But a minor adjustment like this won't do that. So why make changes like this (and then "unveil" them, as if anyone should really care all that much).

I think you answered your own question: it's precisely to pump up merchandise sales. Sure, it may not be by a lot, but making a big deal out of unveiling new jerseys represents cheap (maybe even free) advertising. Just look at what the NFL did in the spring. They had weeks of build up and a huge event just to reveal new jerseys that looked exactly the same except for a Nike logo instead of a Reebok one. However, they got free media attention that probably led to an increase in jersey sales. Union is basically doing the same thing, except on a smaller scale.

Another factor is vendor costs. As styles change in the hockey world in general, different styles probably are offered and discontinued. When the Penguins changed their logo in the mid-90s and added the pointy shoulder panels, a bunch of minor-league & college teams appeared with that style, for example. Athletic Departments probably have contracts with different vendors and probably shop around for the best deal. Union's new sweaters only have minor changes from last year, and I don't recognize the logo of the supplier that's on the neckline. It's probably a lowest-bidder situation, as well as a supply-demand factor in choosing the jersey blanks. Cornell's on-ice jersey has flipped from being produced by CCM to Bauer to Nike and back again several times.

OK, that makes sense. Make some minor changes because it saves you some money in ordering the next round of jerseys.

I still think the "unveiling" is dumb, even given the free advertising form media attention. I remember the Red Sox unveiled a new jersey a few years ago, which only changed the ont of the road lettering or something really minor like that. It just made them look silly.

RichH
I don't recognize the logo of the supplier that's on the neckline.

Looks a lot like the EA Sports Logo

css228
I would almost guarantee you, that no matter what Union does, they take a loss on producing and selling their jeresys.

I doubt many people on here are as anti-Union fans as I am, but owning real jerseys is one thing to their credit. They have a small fanbase that does not travel overly well, but those who do attend away games tend to wear authentic jerseys. So, I think that assuming that they would not sell the jerseys is somewhat unsubstantiated.

I don't know why Cornell does not sell authentic jerseys at The Cornell Store. The replicas that it sells are poor substitutes. Most programs sell their authentic jerseys or good replicas at their campus stores. Cornell does neither. It is one of the main decisions surrounding the program and its marketing that is most foolish. I know that in a few weeks I will be able to buy a new NCAA Division I Penn State jersey directly from the Penn State store and authorized retailers downtown, why a student at Cornell cannot do the same readily is beyond me.

TimV

RichH
I don't recognize the logo of the supplier that's on the neckline.

Looks a lot like the EA Sports Logo

It is the logo of Gemini. It is a small company out of Minnesota that makes jerseys for a handful of ECAC teams and programs in other conferences. They supply Yale. I believe that they might supply RPI's jerseys too. I looked it up last season when I realized that Union and Yale had the same, non-name-brand provider.

This is the dumbest f'ing thing on the elynah thread. Guys, let's end this stupidity and talk hockey. Drown his thread. Dont respond please

Redscore
This is the dumbest f'ing thing on the elynah thread. Guys, let's end this stupidity and talk hockey. Drown his thread. Dont respond please

Or..OR! you don't have to read this thread at all and start a hockey thread yourself which you can do exactly that.

Aaron M. Griffin

css228
I would almost guarantee you, that no matter what Union does, they take a loss on producing and selling their jeresys.

I doubt many people on here are as anti-Union fans as I am, but owning real jerseys is one thing to their credit. They have a small fanbase that does not travel overly well, but those who do attend away games tend to wear authentic jerseys. So, I think that assuming that they would not sell the jerseys is somewhat unsubstantiated.

Its not unsubstantiated at all. You just wrote out my entire reasoning. They have a small fanbase. There is no way they produce and sell these in enough bulk to break even, let alone make money. There's simply not a big enough market.

Redscore
This is the dumbest f'ing thing on the elynah thread. Guys, let's end this stupidity and talk hockey. Drown his thread. Dont respond please

We've been over this before. It's not f'ing, its Effen.

css228

Aaron M. Griffin

css228
I would almost guarantee you, that no matter what Union does, they take a loss on producing and selling their jeresys.

I doubt many people on here are as anti-Union fans as I am, but owning real jerseys is one thing to their credit. They have a small fanbase that does not travel overly well, but those who do attend away games tend to wear authentic jerseys. So, I think that assuming that they would not sell the jerseys is somewhat unsubstantiated.

Its not unsubstantiated at all. You just wrote out my entire reasoning. They have a small fanbase. There is no way they produce and sell these in enough bulk to break even, let alone make money. There's simply not a big enough market.

This is devolving quickly even for a nonsense thread.

A small loyal fanbase can make production of jerseys economical if there is a guaranteed high level of market saturation of the product and low supply, so that revenues are not lost in production of jerseys that remain unsold. If they are smart about this (that's a big "if" ), they could make production of jerseys profitable. They have effectively a captive market, albeit a small one, that will buy the jerseys if they make them available. As long as there is not excessive production, they will make money considering each jersey is sold at a profit relative to production costs.

Anyways, while we are disparaging Union, let's do it regarding something more concrete:

2012-13 Union Media Guide
While sharing a conference with six Ivy League schools, the Dutchmen consistently shine brighter in the classroom.

Aaron M. Griffin
Anyways, while we are disparaging Union, let's do it regarding something more concrete:

2012-13 Union Media Guide
While sharing a conference with six Ivy League schools, the Dutchmen consistently shine brighter in the classroom.

Is this a classroom where they teach how make up blatant lies?

Aaron M. Griffin

Anyways, while we are disparaging Union, let's do it regarding something more concrete:

2012-13 Union Media Guide
While sharing a conference with six Ivy League schools, the Dutchmen consistently shine brighter in the classroom.

There is certainly evidence for the claim. Read it and weep.


Union Ranked above Ivies

marty

Aaron M. Griffin

Anyways, while we are disparaging Union, let's do it regarding something more concrete:

2012-13 Union Media Guide
While sharing a conference with six Ivy League schools, the Dutchmen consistently shine brighter in the classroom.

There is certainly evidence for the claim. Read it and weep.


Union Ranked above Ivies

That link sent me to a story about highest salary potential among those institutions considered "Party Schools" by the Princeton review. So getting lit helps you shine brighter. I get it.

AND they almost got beat by #2 Cal Santa Barbara.

TimV

marty

Aaron M. Griffin

Anyways, while we are disparaging Union, let's do it regarding something more concrete:

2012-13 Union Media Guide
While sharing a conference with six Ivy League schools, the Dutchmen consistently shine brighter in the classroom.

There is certainly evidence for the claim. Read it and weep.


Union Ranked above Ivies

That link sent me to a story about highest salary potential among those institutions considered "Party Schools" by the Princeton review. So getting lit helps you shine brighter. I get it.

AND they almost got beat by #2 Cal Santa Barbara.

Can you really put a price on going to school in Santa Barbara rather than Schenectady?

Josh '99
Can you really put a price on going to school in Santa Barbara rather than Schenectady?

Trotsky

Josh '99
Can you really put a price on going to school in Santa Barbara rather than Schenectady?

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For me, it's less a question of the pictures you posted than the people you meet, since I've hung out in both places.

RichH
For me, it's less a question of the pictures you posted than the people you meet, since I've hung out in both places.

To be fair the ranking that I linked to above was from a 2010 analysis.

Here is something more current.

You want an Onion in that Mr. Bond????

The one benefit of Union's rise and RPI's fall in recent years has been the replacement of "Troy is a dump" by "Schenectady is a dump" here.

I do note a place that advertises NY Pizza in the Schenectady picture. If it is authentic, that is probably one plus for Schenectady over Santa Barbara. NY pizza is one thing that I have always missed here in DC.

ursusminor
NY pizza is one thing that I have always missed here in DC.

There's an excellent NY pizza place in Frederick not more than a half mile off the C&O canal bike path.

Trotsky

ursusminor
NY pizza is one thing that I have always missed here in DC.

There's an excellent NY pizza place in Frederick not more than a half mile off the C&O canal bike path.

It's not NY, but Vace is pretty damn good in my opinion, although my sister swears by Manny and Olga in Bethesda.

Josh '99

TimV

marty

Aaron M. Griffin

Anyways, while we are disparaging Union, let's do it regarding something more concrete:

2012-13 Union Media Guide
While sharing a conference with six Ivy League schools, the Dutchmen consistently shine brighter in the classroom.

There is certainly evidence for the claim. Read it and weep.


Union Ranked above Ivies

That link sent me to a story about highest salary potential among those institutions considered "Party Schools" by the Princeton review. So getting lit helps you shine brighter. I get it.

AND they almost got beat by #2 Cal Santa Barbara.

Can you really put a price on going to school in Santa Barbara rather than Schenectady?

Yeah, but since The Mr. Squishy Show went off the air, there's no local coverage of College Hockey in SB.

Instead of bumping an ancient thread on game worns, I'll just post this here.
With the Red-White game out of the way, last year's game worn jerseys are available for purchase, $100 each.
Only the away red jerseys are available; Bill said they didn't replace the whites for whatever reason.
The nameplates have been removed. As mentioned in the FAQ, contact Bill Reynolds (wlr5) in the Teagle Issue Room.

I picked up Miller's 16, so as far as I know, the following are still available:

5 Joakim Ryan
7 Braden Birch
10 Madison Dias
11 Vince Mihalek
14 John McCarron
15 Rodger Craig
17 Brian Ferlin
18 Armand de Swardt
20 Dustin Mowrey
21 Erik Axell
24 Kirill Gotovets
28 Joel Lowry
29 Kevin Cole
31 Omar Kanji

TheMatrix
Instead of bumping an ancient thread on game worns, I'll just post this here.
With the Red-White game out of the way, last year's game worn jerseys are available for purchase, $100 each.
Only the away red jerseys are available; Bill said they didn't replace the whites for whatever reason.
The nameplates have been removed. As mentioned in the FAQ, contact Bill Reynolds (wlr5) in the Teagle Issue Room.

I picked up Miller's 16, so as far as I know, the following are still available:

5 Joakim Ryan
7 Braden Birch
10 Madison Dias
11 Vince Mihalek
14 John McCarron
15 Rodger Craig
17 Brian Ferlin
18 Armand de Swardt
20 Dustin Mowrey
21 Erik Axell
24 Kirill Gotovets
28 Joel Lowry
29 Kevin Cole
31 Omar Kanji

This remains an incredible bargain.

ugarte

TheMatrix
Instead of bumping an ancient thread on game worns, I'll just post this here.
With the Red-White game out of the way, last year's game worn jerseys are available for purchase, $100 each.
Only the away red jerseys are available; Bill said they didn't replace the whites for whatever reason.
The nameplates have been removed. As mentioned in the FAQ, contact Bill Reynolds (wlr5) in the Teagle Issue Room.

I picked up Miller's 16, so as far as I know, the following are still available:

5 Joakim Ryan
7 Braden Birch
10 Madison Dias
11 Vince Mihalek
14 John McCarron
15 Rodger Craig
17 Brian Ferlin
18 Armand de Swardt
20 Dustin Mowrey
21 Erik Axell
24 Kirill Gotovets
28 Joel Lowry
29 Kevin Cole
31 Omar Kanji

This remains an incredible bargain.

Seriously, it was $100 (or maybe even $125) when I got mine 10 years ago. No inflation!

Boo-hiss to the staff for letting someone else waltz in and pick up Ferlin's #17 jersey which my wife had reserved and PAID FOR as a Christmas present to me. Apparently when it comes to incredible bargains, you DON'T always get what you pay for. /pissed

Robb
Boo-hiss to the staff for letting someone else waltz in and pick up Ferlin's #17 jersey which my wife had reserved and PAID FOR as a Christmas present to me. Apparently when it comes to incredible bargains, you DON'T always get what you pay for. /pissed

That sucks. You'd think they'd have the decency to get another one for you.

Robb
Boo-hiss to the staff for letting someone else waltz in and pick up Ferlin's #17 jersey which my wife had reserved and PAID FOR as a Christmas present to me. Apparently when it comes to incredible bargains, you DON'T always get what you pay for. /pissed

If it's the home jersey from this year, you're probably better off. At the last home game, a few of us noticed that Ferlin's jersey had a giant blood stain on the front. It looked to be a few games old and impervious to detergent.

jtn27

Robb
Boo-hiss to the staff for letting someone else waltz in and pick up Ferlin's #17 jersey which my wife had reserved and PAID FOR as a Christmas present to me. Apparently when it comes to incredible bargains, you DON'T always get what you pay for. /pissed

If it's the home jersey from this year, you're probably better off. At the last home game, a few of us noticed that Ferlin's jersey had a giant blood stain on the front. It looked to be a few games old and impervious to detergent.

That's what gives it character.

Trotsky

jtn27

Robb
Boo-hiss to the staff for letting someone else waltz in and pick up Ferlin's #17 jersey which my wife had reserved and PAID FOR as a Christmas present to me. Apparently when it comes to incredible bargains, you DON'T always get what you pay for. /pissed

If it's the home jersey from this year, you're probably better off. At the last home game, a few of us noticed that Ferlin's jersey had a giant blood stain on the front. It looked to be a few games old and impervious to detergent.

That's what gives it character.

Seriously! A giant blood stain is WAAAAAY better than puck marks.

(Sorry to rub it in, Robb.)

Swampy

Robb
Boo-hiss to the staff for letting someone else waltz in and pick up Ferlin's #17 jersey which my wife had reserved and PAID FOR as a Christmas present to me. Apparently when it comes to incredible bargains, you DON'T always get what you pay for. /pissed

That sucks. You'd think they'd have the decency to get another one for you.

Well, it turns out that they did (Gotovets's #24), but my wife didn't tell me that part so she could surprise me with THAT one. Good wife!

The big surprise, though, was that #17 turned up at my billing address. So apparently they were competent enough to do the right thing - they just weren't competent enough to know that they were that competent!

(and yes, we will be paying for or returning the #24 or I wouldn't be posting about it here!)

If I decide to return it, I'll post on here in case someone wants to buy it directly from me instead.

Robb

Swampy

Robb
Boo-hiss to the staff for letting someone else waltz in and pick up Ferlin's #17 jersey which my wife had reserved and PAID FOR as a Christmas present to me. Apparently when it comes to incredible bargains, you DON'T always get what you pay for. /pissed

That sucks. You'd think they'd have the decency to get another one for you.

Well, it turns out that they did (Gotovets's #24), but my wife didn't tell me that part so she could surprise me with THAT one. Good wife!

The big surprise, though, was that #17 turned up at my billing address. So apparently they were competent enough to do the right thing - they just weren't competent enough to know that they were that competent!

(and yes, we will be paying for or returning the #24 or I wouldn't be posting about it here!)

If I decide to return it, I'll post on here in case someone wants to buy it directly from me instead.

Were they able to get the blood stain off Ferlin's jersey before they mailed it?

jtn27

Robb
Well, it turns out that they did (Gotovets's #24), but my wife didn't tell me that part so she could surprise me with THAT one. Good wife!

The big surprise, though, was that #17 turned up at my billing address. So apparently they were competent enough to do the right thing - they just weren't competent enough to know that they were that competent!

(and yes, we will be paying for or returning the #24 or I wouldn't be posting about it here!)

If I decide to return it, I'll post on here in case someone wants to buy it directly from me instead.

Were they able to get the blood stain off Ferlin's jersey before they mailed it?

The blood stain is on this year's jersey, Robb got last year's.

Ben

jtn27

Robb
Well, it turns out that they did (Gotovets's #24), but my wife didn't tell me that part so she could surprise me with THAT one. Good wife!

The big surprise, though, was that #17 turned up at my billing address. So apparently they were competent enough to do the right thing - they just weren't competent enough to know that they were that competent!

(and yes, we will be paying for or returning the #24 or I wouldn't be posting about it here!)

If I decide to return it, I'll post on here in case someone wants to buy it directly from me instead.

Were they able to get the blood stain off Ferlin's jersey before they mailed it?

The blood stain is on this year's jersey, Robb got last year's.

More specifically, last year's away (red) jersey, so a bloodstain would barely show anyway.

Robb

Ben

jtn27

Robb
Well, it turns out that they did (Gotovets's #24), but my wife didn't tell me that part so she could surprise me with THAT one. Good wife!

The big surprise, though, was that #17 turned up at my billing address. So apparently they were competent enough to do the right thing - they just weren't competent enough to know that they were that competent!

(and yes, we will be paying for or returning the #24 or I wouldn't be posting about it here!)

If I decide to return it, I'll post on here in case someone wants to buy it directly from me instead.

Were they able to get the blood stain off Ferlin's jersey before they mailed it?

The blood stain is on this year's jersey, Robb got last year's.

More specifically, last year's away (red) jersey, so a bloodstain would barely show anyway.

This is what eLynah devolves to when we have no hockey. Can't wait for 4:30 today.

css228

Robb

Ben

jtn27

Robb
Well, it turns out that they did (Gotovets's #24), but my wife didn't tell me that part so she could surprise me with THAT one. Good wife!

The big surprise, though, was that #17 turned up at my billing address. So apparently they were competent enough to do the right thing - they just weren't competent enough to know that they were that competent!

(and yes, we will be paying for or returning the #24 or I wouldn't be posting about it here!)

If I decide to return it, I'll post on here in case someone wants to buy it directly from me instead.

Were they able to get the blood stain off Ferlin's jersey before they mailed it?

The blood stain is on this year's jersey, Robb got last year's.

More specifically, last year's away (red) jersey, so a bloodstain would barely show anyway.

This is what eLynah devolves to when we have no hockey. Can't wait for 4:30 today.

When eLF devolves we don't talk about bloody jerseys; we talk about bloody revolution to restore the Constitution.