Consecutive shutout minutes at Lynah?

Anyone know what the record is? Does Isles now hold it?

Question: Who holds the record for most consecutive shutout minutes at Lynah?

Answer.

Well, Isles now has 315:11 consecutive shutout minutes at home, if you include the end of the Mercyhurst game (which I think you do, but if not then it's now at 305:00.) According to this document I found on the Athletics website Scrivens holds the shutout record with 267:11 but 2 of those games were in Albany so they don't count towards the home shutout record. I couldn't find the record for home shutouts anywhere.
Also, Iles is now halfway to David McKee's 2004-5 single season record of 10 shutouts.

[cornellbigred.com]

From the ECAC game recap:

- The men's hockey team continued its historic run of shutouts within the confines of Lynah Rink on Saturday with a scoreless tie, marking the fifth consecutive home game in which the Big Red has not surrendered a goal -- a program first.

Jim Hyla
From the ECAC game recap:

- The men's hockey team continued its historic run of shutouts within the confines of Lynah Rink on Saturday with a scoreless tie, marking the fifth consecutive home game in which the Big Red has not surrendered a goal -- a program first.

Long cry from not having a shutout until the second to last game, huh?

Jim Hyla
From the ECAC game recap:

- The men's hockey team continued its historic run of shutouts within the confines of Lynah Rink on Saturday with a scoreless tie, marking the fifth consecutive home game in which the Big Red has not surrendered a goal -- a program first.

Interesting that you found that,Jim, but it does not definitively answer the question of whether or not Iles now holds the record for consecutive shutout minutes at Lynah. While I expect he does, there could have been a four game series of shutouts bracketed by longer goal-less stretches in the two non-shutout games.

Another fun curiosity is that only once before has Cornell had at least 5 shutouts in the portion of the season before New Years: in 1967-68 Ken Dryden had 5 on Nov 25 and Dec 2, 16, 18, and 30. That was over an 11 game span.

Also, we shouldn't feel too bad about being shut out by Karpowich -- it was also his 5th shut out, albeit in 18 games. Leading goaltenders in conference:

Goals Against Average:                                 Minutes    GA     GAA
  1   Andy Iles                Cornell            SO    483:38    11    1.36
  2   Eric Hartzell            Quinnipiac         JR    375:29    10    1.60
  3   Paul Karpowich           Clarkson           SR    485:42    13    1.61
  4   Troy Grosenick           Union              SO    202:43     6    1.78
  5   Colin Stevens            Union              FR    224:46     7    1.87
  6   Eric Mihalik             Colgate            SO    356:39    12    2.02
  7   Matt Weninger            St. Lawrence       SO    466:37    17    2.19
  8   Jeff Malcolm             Yale               JR    356:38    13    2.19
  9   Bryce Merriam            Rensselaer         JR    349:00    15    2.58
 10   Steve Michalek           Harvard            FR    342:27    16    2.80

Save Percentage:                                         Saves    GA     Pct
  1   Paul Karpowich           Clarkson           SR       245    13    .950
  2   Andy Iles                Cornell            SO       176    11    .941
      Jeff Malcolm             Yale               JR       208    13    .941
  4   Eric Mihalik             Colgate            SO       168    12    .933
      Troy Grosenick           Union              SO        84     6    .933
  6   Eric Hartzell            Quinnipiac         JR       133    10    .930
  7   Colin Stevens            Union              FR        88     7    .926
  8   Matt Weninger            St. Lawrence       SO       206    17    .924
  9   Steve Michalek           Harvard            FR       152    16    .905
 10   Bryce Merriam            Rensselaer         JR       139    15    .903

Trotsky
Also, we shouldn't feel too bad about being shut out by Karpowich -- it was also his 5th shut out, albeit in 18 games. Leading goaltenders in conference:

Goals Against Average:                                 Minutes    GA     GAA
  1   Andy Iles                Cornell            SO    483:38    11    1.36
  2   Eric Hartzell            Quinnipiac         JR    375:29    10    1.60
  3   Paul Karpowich           Clarkson           SR    485:42    13    1.61
  4   Troy Grosenick           Union              SO    202:43     6    1.78
  5   Colin Stevens            Union              FR    224:46     7    1.87
  6   Eric Mihalik             Colgate            SO    356:39    12    2.02
  7   Matt Weninger            St. Lawrence       SO    466:37    17    2.19
  8   Jeff Malcolm             Yale               JR    356:38    13    2.19
  9   Bryce Merriam            Rensselaer         JR    349:00    15    2.58
 10   Steve Michalek           Harvard            FR    342:27    16    2.80

Save Percentage:                                         Saves    GA     Pct
  1   Paul Karpowich           Clarkson           SR       245    13    .950
  2   Andy Iles                Cornell            SO       176    11    .941
      Jeff Malcolm             Yale               JR       208    13    .941
  4   Eric Mihalik             Colgate            SO       168    12    .933
      Troy Grosenick           Union              SO        84     6    .933
  6   Eric Hartzell            Quinnipiac         JR       133    10    .930
  7   Colin Stevens            Union              FR        88     7    .926
  8   Matt Weninger            St. Lawrence       SO       206    17    .924
  9   Steve Michalek           Harvard            FR       152    16    .905
 10   Bryce Merriam            Rensselaer         JR       139    15    .903

Funny what five shutouts in 6 games will do for you. A couple weeks ago he was toward the bottom of all these tables.

css228
Funny what five shutouts in 6 games will do for you. A couple weeks ago he was toward the bottom of all these tables.

Yep (although only 4 of those counted in his ECAC stats).

Here are the NCAA leaders in GAA:

Goals Against Average:                                   Minutes    GA     GAA
  1 Alex Evin                  Colgate           SR       364:09     9    1.48
  2 C.J. Motte                 Ferris State      FR       424:58    11    1.55
  3 Andy Iles                  Cornell           SO       665:13    18    1.62
  4 Paul Karpowich (STL)       Clarkson          SR      1092:53    32    1.76
  5 Troy Grosenick             Union             SO       579:43    17    1.76
  6 Doug Carr                  UMass Lowell      SO       539:46    16    1.78
  7 Joe Cannata (VAN)          Merrimack         SR       662:29    20    1.81
  8 Frank Slubowski            Western Michigan  FR       547:07    17    1.86
  9 Cal Heeter                 Ohio State        SR       793:53    25    1.89
 10 Kent Patterson (COL)       Minnesota         SR      1083:44    36    1.99

Trotsky

css228
Funny what five shutouts in 6 games will do for you. A couple weeks ago he was toward the bottom of all these tables.

Yep (although only 4 of those counted in his ECAC stats).

Here are the NCAA leaders in GAA:

Goals Against Average:                                   Minutes    GA     GAA
  1 Alex Evin                  Colgate           SR       364:09     9    1.48
  2 C.J. Motte                 Ferris State      FR       424:58    11    1.55
  3 Andy Iles                  Cornell           SO       665:13    18    1.62
  4 Paul Karpowich (STL)       Clarkson          SR      1092:53    32    1.76
  5 Troy Grosenick             Union             SO       579:43    17    1.76
  6 Doug Carr                  UMass Lowell      SO       539:46    16    1.78
  7 Joe Cannata (VAN)          Merrimack         SR       662:29    20    1.81
  8 Frank Slubowski            Western Michigan  FR       547:07    17    1.86
  9 Cal Heeter                 Ohio State        SR       793:53    25    1.89
 10 Kent Patterson (COL)       Minnesota         SR      1083:44    36    1.99

View from section A was Karpowich stood on his head tonight. Too bad we couldn't have gotten our shot at him last night. And speaking of how good our travel partner has been, is anyone else incredibly excited for Colgate-Cornell weekend?

Trotsky

Here are the NCAA leaders in GAA:

Goals Against Average:                                   Minutes    GA     GAA
  1 Alex Evin                  Colgate           SR       364:09     9    1.48
  2 C.J. Motte                 Ferris State      FR       424:58    11    1.55
  3 Andy Iles                  Cornell           SO       665:13    18    1.62
  4 Paul Karpowich (STL)       Clarkson          SR      1092:53    32    1.76
  5 Troy Grosenick             Union             SO       579:43    17    1.76
  6 Doug Carr                  UMass Lowell      SO       539:46    16    1.78
  7 Joe Cannata (VAN)          Merrimack         SR       662:29    20    1.81
  8 Frank Slubowski            Western Michigan  FR       547:07    17    1.86
  9 Cal Heeter                 Ohio State        SR       793:53    25    1.89
 10 Kent Patterson (COL)       Minnesota         SR      1083:44    36    1.99

Interesting. Four of the top five are ECAC. Is this great goal tending, or weak offense?

css228
And speaking of how good our travel partner has been, is anyone else incredibly excited for Colgate-Cornell weekend?

Austin Smith is going to have about 50 goals by then.

Trotsky

css228
And speaking of how good our travel partner has been, is anyone else incredibly excited for Colgate-Cornell weekend?

Austin Smith is going to have about 50 goals by then.

Only 50?

I was only watching on Redcast so I couldn't really tell how good Karpowich looked, though from the past I do know he is a first rate goal-tender. It is worrisome though the scoring slump we've been in recently. Not every goalie we face can be having his best night. Karpowich and Milan looked to really be at the top of their game, but SLU and Niagra goalies looked quite average and we only put in 1 on each of them.

snert1288
I was only watching on Redcast so I couldn't really tell how good Karpowich looked, though from the past I do know he is a first rate goal-tender. It is worrisome though the scoring slump we've been in recently. Not every goalie we face can be having his best night. Karpowich and Milan looked to really be at the top of their game, but SLU and Niagra goalies looked quite average and we only put in 1 on each of them.

As mentioned by the radio commentators almost the entire game looked like a Cornell power play. But, our guys spent much of the time sliding the puck back & forth looking for the perfect shot. Karpo was on his game for sure. But, maybe we just need to just do more spray 'n pray?

Also, I just can't get over, considering their success to date, how little national attention our team is getting. Or, is it just the EZAC curse?

snert1288
It is worrisome though the scoring slump we've been in recently. Not every goalie we face can be having his best night. Karpowich and Milan looked to really be at the top of their game, but SLU and Niagra goalies looked quite average and we only put in 1 on each of them.

If you divide the season at Princeton when the shutouts began in the first half we scored 4.1 goals per game vs 2.7 for the opposition. In the second half we have scored 1.6 vs 0.3. The sample is small and imperfect but there seems to be a possible trend where tightening up the defense reduces opportunities to score.

Johnny 5
But, maybe we just need to just do more spray 'n pray?

Also, I just can't get over, considering their success to date, how little national attention our team is getting. Or, is it just the EZAC curse?

Ya... more spray 'n pray allllways works

snert1288
I was only watching on Redcast so I couldn't really tell how good Karpowich looked, though from the past I do know he is a first rate goal-tender. It is worrisome though the scoring slump we've been in recently. Not every goalie we face can be having his best night. Karpowich and Milan looked to really be at the top of their game, but SLU and Niagra goalies looked quite average and we only put in 1 on each of them.

If you recall the material flubber from The Absent-Minded Professor or the 1996 remake, that was the stuffer material inside Paul Karpowich's pads. Rebound after fat rebound shot free. But he played well, too. Cornell definitely held the upper hand except in OT where Clarkson had two odd man rushes back to back along the near boards (for a Redcast viewer). You wouldn't have seen much of them on Recdcast because there's no reverse angle camera. They were unnerving.

I really dont think the lack of scoring is related to the lack of solid chances. We probably had 7-10 times where the puck was sitting in the crease and could not get it to go in. we missed 4-5 open nets, we had several the goalie didnt see, rebounds miss sticks as well. we had one land on top of the net just over the crossbar. Clarkson had a few solid chances but it felt like a game where we would score and then get 2-3 more. it was a 5-1 type game, it was only in OT where clarkson really seemed like they might score. I think we outshot them on their own PPs.

one good thing was it was a game long effort, much better than the starts vs BU/Quin.

ajh258

Johnny 5
But, maybe we just need to just do more spray 'n pray?

Also, I just can't get over, considering their success to date, how little national attention our team is getting. Or, is it just the EZAC curse?

Ya... more spray 'n pray allllways works

Spray 'n' pray may not work, but neither does passing it around until a perfect opening presents itself. That perfect opening is not coming. They'll score more goals if they take 10 shots in "good enough" situations than 1 in "perfect" situations. They need to take more shots. Although, there have been some bad breaks the last few games with pucks bouncing off the post (or goals being disallowed).

jtn27

ajh258

Johnny 5
But, maybe we just need to just do more spray 'n pray?

Also, I just can't get over, considering their success to date, how little national attention our team is getting. Or, is it just the EZAC curse?

Ya... more spray 'n pray allllways works

Spray 'n' pray may not work, but neither does passing it around until a perfect opening presents itself. That perfect opening is not coming. They'll score more goals if they take 10 shots in "good enough" situations than 1 in "perfect" situations. They need to take more shots. Although, there have been some bad breaks the last few games with pucks bouncing off the post (or goals being disallowed).

It's a question of balance. Against BU, we were taking way too many bad shots. We had to have 15+ shots go right off the defender immediately in front of the puck.

css228
...is anyone else incredibly excited for Colgate-Cornell weekend?

My thoughts exactly. It should be an interesting second half of the season.

Other than the current ECAC standings, does anyone else see Colgate as a traditional rival of Cornell on par with the likes of BU and Harvard? Colgate makes a lot of what they think is the Colgate-Cornell rivalry, but while I was on the Hill, I never thought much of our games at Colgate. I felt that Cornell was Colgate's rival, but Colgate was not Cornell's rival. I was curious if other had the same experience.

Aaron M. Griffin

css228
...is anyone else incredibly excited for Colgate-Cornell weekend?

My thoughts exactly. It should be an interesting second half of the season.

Other than the current ECAC standings, does anyone else see Colgate as a traditional rival of Cornell on par with the likes of BU and Harvard? Colgate makes a lot of what they think is the Colgate-Cornell rivalry, but while I was on the Hill, I never thought much of our games at Colgate. I felt that Cornell was Colgate's rival, but Colgate was not Cornell's rival. I was curious if other had the same experience.

Not really. And judging from last years Colgate-CU attendance at the Prudential Center neither do the rest of the faithful. I see them as a team we dislike, but not on a par with BU and Harvard, or even Clarkson. Maybe if their fan base was more passionate (e.g. Clarkson's) and traveled to our barn, or filled their own for any game other than Cornell, they'd be a bigger deal. The travel partner thing also has something to do with it.I enjoy beating them, but I also see the benefit of a good travel partner, so its better to see them near the top of the standings with us than where they spent last year. Primary reason I'm excited is both teams are playing great hockey.

But no there's not the same unconditional disdain.

Aaron M. Griffin

css228
...is anyone else incredibly excited for Colgate-Cornell weekend?

My thoughts exactly. It should be an interesting second half of the season.

Other than the current ECAC standings, does anyone else see Colgate as a traditional rival of Cornell on par with the likes of BU and Harvard? Colgate makes a lot of what they think is the Colgate-Cornell rivalry, but while I was on the Hill, I never thought much of our games at Colgate. I felt that Cornell was Colgate's rival, but Colgate was not Cornell's rival. I was curious if other had the same experience.

I feel like Colgate is somewhat ignored except when they're playing well. I kind of think that they have an inferiority complex when it comes to Cornell and we just ignore them. After my freshman year (I'm a junior now), I was talking to some distant relative at a family reunion whose daughter goes to Colgate. He asked me about the Cornell-Colgate "rivalry" and I told him "Actually, our bigger rivalry is with Harvard" and he replied "Oh, don't tell the Colgate kids that."

jtn27
He asked me about the Cornell-Colgate "rivalry" and I told him "Actually, our bigger rivalry is with Harvard" and he replied "Oh, don't tell the Colgate kids that."

It's sort of like how Harvard is Cornell's biggest rival, but Harvard students in general don't recognize that Cornell exists. A lot of "rivalries" are one-sided.

Also that quote doesn't exclude the possibility that more than one goaltender may have been involved.

I think that the Colgate-Cornell rivalry is one-sided. I have a friend from Upstate who is not a Cornellian but who follows college hockey, and she was shocked that Colgate considers itself a rival of ours. Colgate fans seem convinced that we care. I think that we might be forced to care this year with the fact that Cornell and Colgate have taken a formidable lead in the ECAC standings during the first half of the season.

As for the Cornell-Harvard rivalry, I think that it was one-sided at one time, with Cornell caring more than Harvard, but I think that has changed recently. My senior year The Harvard Crimson ran an article stating that the Cornell-Harvard rivalry has surpassed the Harvard-Yale rivalry in terms of Harvard fan dedication and emotional investment.

Aaron M. Griffin
I think that the Colgate-Cornell rivalry is one-sided. I have a friend from Upstate who is not a Cornellian but who follows college hockey, and she was shocked that Colgate considers itself a rival of ours. Colgate fans seem convinced that we care. I think that we might be forced to care this year with the fact that Cornell and Colgate have taken a formidable lead in the ECAC standings during the first half of the season.

As for the Cornell-Harvard rivalry, I think that it was one-sided at one time, with Cornell caring more than Harvard, but I think that has changed recently. My senior year The Harvard Crimson ran an article stating that the Cornell-Harvard rivalry has surpassed the Harvard-Yale rivalry in terms of Harvard fan dedication and emotional investment.

Maybe they're being mislead by the toothpaste boxes we throw on the ice when they come here. That seems like something a "rival" would do.

css228
Maybe they're being mislead by the toothpaste boxes we throw on the ice when they come here. That seems like something a "rival" would do.

Don't they throw Big Red gum at us when we play at Starr? I've never been to a game up there, but I have heard they do that. Now, I thought that the toothpaste was for some suggestive clues about dental hygiene for their team. We really shouldn't encourage them. That's why they produce laughable videos like


this.

Aaron M. Griffin

css228
Maybe they're being mislead by the toothpaste boxes we throw on the ice when they come here. That seems like something a "rival" would do.

Don't they throw Big Red gum at us when we play at Starr? I've never been to a game up there, but I have heard they do that. Now, I thought that the toothpaste was for some suggestive clues about dental hygiene for their team. We really shouldn't encourage them. That's why they produce laughable videos like


this.

Well I mean at least it gets their fans out to watch some hockey. A few weeks ago I was on USCHO forums trying to find out more about Austin Smith and ran across one poster who basically said you'd think the Colgate students think the team only has one home game a year. I'm fine with them having their one-sided rivalry, after all, that's kinda what our thing with BU has become. More history, and their fans still don't like us, but I think it bothers us way more when we don't play than it bothers them.

The again the series did produce this


takedown.

Fair point. That takedown was one of the highlights of Scrivens's career at Cornell. I don't mind Colgate or Colgate hockey, I just find it curious that they think there is some history between us that clearly we do not acknowledge. Neither Harvard nor BU can deny that we have relevant history that lends itself to the development of a rivalry. I have never found anyone from Colgate who could justify why they dislike Cornell so much.

The BU rivalry has become one-sided. I don't think anyone on ELynah denies that. BU has a sense of superiority about their conference and their recent success, so they tend to act as if playing Cornell debases them.

Kyle Rose

jtn27
He asked me about the Cornell-Colgate "rivalry" and I told him "Actually, our bigger rivalry is with Harvard" and he replied "Oh, don't tell the Colgate kids that."

It's sort of like how Harvard is Cornell's biggest rival, but Harvard students in general don't recognize that Cornell exists. A lot of "rivalries" are one-sided.

Most Harvard students only pay attention to sports for The Game.

Ben

Kyle Rose

jtn27
He asked me about the Cornell-Colgate "rivalry" and I told him "Actually, our bigger rivalry is with Harvard" and he replied "Oh, don't tell the Colgate kids that."

It's sort of like how Harvard is Cornell's biggest rival, but Harvard students in general don't recognize that Cornell exists. A lot of "rivalries" are one-sided.

Most Harvard students only pay attention to sports for The Game.

Well, that's sort of my point: we get pumped for beating Harvard because their hockey team pwn3d us for the decade 1985-1995, and it is simply not acceptable for Cornell to lose to Harvard both in the academic reputation game and at hockey. Harvard has no such inferiority complex to overcome with a sports rivalry. It's probably a wee bit more complex than this, but I don't think the situation warrants any further investigation: having been out of Cornell for 13 years now, my primary reaction to comparisons of college prestige is "Why should I care?" I've met plenty of awesome people from Cornell, Harvard, UMass, and Salem State, and plenty of useless people from each school, too.

Kyle Rose
having been out of Cornell for 13 years now, my primary reaction to comparisons of college prestige is "Why should I care?"

Grad school is where belief in school rankings goes to die. As soon as you realize that, say, UT-Austin or Kansas State has a far better program than Cornell in some particular discipline, the whole idea of School A > School B collapses. The granularity of real merit is much more fine than the university or even the college level, and it's constantly shifting as faculties change.

Aaron M. Griffin
Fair point. That takedown was one of the highlights of Scrivens's career at Cornell. I don't mind Colgate or Colgate hockey, I just find it curious that they think there is some history between us that clearly we do not acknowledge. Neither Harvard nor BU can deny that we have relevant history that lends itself to the development of a rivalry. I have never found anyone from Colgate who could justify why they dislike Cornell so much.

I always figured it stemmed from:

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and
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Those weren't victories, they were absolute pastings.

It's knowing what you want for your education (and life) which creates the level of precision that makes the generic ranking semi-worthless. If every high schooler who was going to college knew what they wanted to major in with 90+ percent certainty, then the level of granularity you suggest would be essential. But since next to nobody knows what they want to be "when they grow up" with that level of precision, the rankings fill a niche. An inaccurate niche, for certain, but they do have a value.

As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

Back in the old days,I don't ever remember the game as having any great significance. But from their perspective, if not us, who can be their rival. The rest of NYS is already taken. I don't mind them using us as a rival, I just wish some of them would not be so obnoxious about it.

gatefan
As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

It seemed like a pretty big rivalry to me, but that's mostly because during my time (03-07) Colgate was one of the best teams.

Dafatone

gatefan
As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

It seemed like a pretty big rivalry to me, but that's mostly because during my time (03-07) Colgate was one of the best teams.

Admittedly it was rush week, but this is my only experience with


Colgate vs. Cornell. The only attendance that was worse in the student section all year (when students were around) was the second Huntsville game. This year Cornell plays Dartmouth and Harvard during rush week, but I'm more than willing to bet that the Harvard crowd won't remotely begin to have the empty spaces seen in the crowd in that video. Unfortunately, embedding has been disabled so you'll need to go to Youtube to watch, but I think it does really exemplify the difference in perception of the rivalry here on the hill.

gatefan
As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

Thanks for posting.

I remembered that at some point, Trotsky put up a rivalry-ranking. I have no idea what year he wrote this (or updated, since he mentions Yale's 2009 title), but I would personally bump #4 Colgate down behind RPI and MAYBE Dartmouth.

[www.tbrw.info]

RichH

gatefan
As a Colgate fan with what I think is a sense of reality, the whole Colgate-Cornell thing is something that has been mostly pushed by the administration and has trickled down to athletics throughout the years. They are the ones who have an inferiority complex towards Cornell and the Ivy League in general and from the moment you step on the Colgate campus as a freshman they try to sell you the Colgate-Cornell game as a big rivalry and one of the "highlights" of your time at Colgate. It disgusts me all the attention that they give trying to sell the Cornell game to the students and fans, while they do nothing in comparison for other games throughout the year. The one positive that I can find, is that for at least one game a year Starr Rink feels the way a college hockey rink and atmosphere should, something some schools do not have for any games. At the same time, I wish we would tone it down a little bit and avoid looking so pathetic. I'm looking forward to that weekend this season, but it's because home and homes are always fun and we're 1-2 in the standings right now, and I hope it stays like that until then.

Thanks for posting.

I remembered that at some point, Trotsky put up a rivalry-ranking. I have no idea what year he wrote this (or updated, since he mentions Yale's 2009 title), but I would personally bump #4 Colgate down behind RPI and MAYBE Dartmouth.

[www.tbrw.info]

Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

RichH
I remembered that at some point, Trotsky put up a rivalry-ranking. I have no idea what year he wrote this (or updated, since he mentions Yale's 2009 title), but I would personally bump #4 Colgate down behind RPI and MAYBE Dartmouth.

[www.tbrw.info]

I think I last edited that in 2009. More than a subjective ranking of rivalries it demonstrates that I really need an editor...

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Beeeej
I always figured it stemmed from:

[www.tbrw.info]
and
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Those weren't victories, they were absolute pastings.

In '91, I think the regular season games with Colgate were all very close, I think we split with them in very close games. Those playoff blowouts were fun, but in general the games with Gate were pretty intense from 1988-92 when I was at Cornell. I believe that we split with them every year if I'm not mistaken. Harvard outclassed us the first couple of years of my Ithaca tenure, I considered Gate to be a big rivalry and the games were very hard fought.

We have classic games against Wisconsin, but they all seem to go against Cornell. Especially, the 2006 3OT loss in the Midwest Final. I think that Wisconsin would not view Cornell as a rival. I think it is a one-sided rivalry. I would be shocked if Wisconsin considered Cornell a rival considering that Cornell has been on the losing side of most games against them (2-4-0 record with 1 OT win and 2 OT losses).

I think that rivalries are relative to a person's time on the Hill. I know that there was a palpable tension verging on that characteristic of a rivalry between Cornell and Yale while I was at Cornell. However, my time at Cornell was during the majority of a nine-game winless streak against the Elis. I am not sure what existed of a Cornell-Yale rivalry will survive after that streak was broken in November 2011. I doubt it will stand the test of time like the Cornell-Harvard and BU-Cornell rivalries.

Aaron M. Griffin
We have classic games against Wisconsin, but they all seem to go against Cornell. Especially, the 2006 3OT loss in the Midwest Final. I think that Wisconsin would not view Cornell as a rival. I think it is a one-sided rivalry. I would be shocked if Wisconsin considered Cornell a rival considering that Cornell has been on the losing side of most games against them (2-4-0 record with 1 OT win and 2 OT losses).

I don't think Wisconsin considers Cornell a rival, per se... but two weeks after that heartbreaking loss in 2006, I was wearing my Cornell jersey at the Frozen Four in Wisconsin, and literally about a hundred individual Wisconsin fans approached me to say how incredible that game had been, and what a shame it was that either team had to lose. Cornell clearly earned a lot of respect from Wisconsin fans that day.

But you're right, and in general, it's hard to imagine a serious rivalry growing out of only a half dozen games over the last fifty years.

Beeeej
I don't think Wisconsin considers Cornell a rival, per se... but two weeks after that heartbreaking loss in 2006, I was wearing my Cornell jersey at the Frozen Four in Wisconsin, and literally about a hundred individual Wisconsin fans approached me to say how incredible that game had been, and what a shame it was that either team had to lose. Cornell clearly earned a lot of respect from Wisconsin fans that day.

And they bought us a LOT of drinks. So at least that came out of it.

I don't consider Wisconsin a rival at all.

RichH

Beeeej
I don't think Wisconsin considers Cornell a rival, per se... but two weeks after that heartbreaking loss in 2006, I was wearing my Cornell jersey at the Frozen Four in Wisconsin, and literally about a hundred individual Wisconsin fans approached me to say how incredible that game had been, and what a shame it was that either team had to lose. Cornell clearly earned a lot of respect from Wisconsin fans that day.

And they bought us a LOT of drinks. So at least that came out of it.

I don't remember that.

Which undoubtedly means it's true.

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Let's at least add a positive classic to that list: better classic game
I was one of the very few, I'm sure, that attended all three (me, Mike Teeter and maybe a few more).

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

BearLover

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

That 1973 box score should probably read 19:27 for the final goal, or 9:27 of 5th period, depending on how you look at it. Back then they switched sides after the 3rd period, played a 10 minute overtime, then switched sides again for the next 10. Regular season overtime was 10 minutes back then, so they would refer to it as double overtime - but it makes some sense to adjust it if one wants to compare with the way it's done today. To make that game even more painful, we had a 2 on 0 breakaway in the first overtime and didn't score. I had seats behind the net Cornell was defending during the first overtime, so for that overtime I moved down and stood in a walkway at the other end, as I wanted a better view if we scored and not if they did. I was back in my seat for that 2nd o't. One other aside - two years earlier, listening to a hockey game on CBC radio, I had heard an interview with Bert Olmstead (former NHL player), where he mentioned his son was interested in playing college hockey in the states. I went into Dick Bertrand's office and discussed it with him - and he said he had met Bert once at a clinic and he'd follow up. I don't know if we ever had a chance at getting Dennis Olmstead, but two years later he was a freshman at Wisconsin and won every damn faceoff in that final minute including the one that set up the equalizer with 5 seconds left. There are some painful things you never forget.

For his efforts, Answer is named the ECAC Goaltender of the Week for the second time in 3 weeks.

jkahn

BearLover

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

That 1973 box score should probably read 19:27 for the final goal, or 9:27 of 5th period, depending on how you look at it. Back then they switched sides after the 3rd period, played a 10 minute overtime, then switched sides again for the next 10. Regular season overtime was 10 minutes back then, so they would refer to it as double overtime - but it makes some sense to adjust it if one wants to compare with the way it's done today. To make that game even more painful, we had a 2 on 0 breakaway in the first overtime and didn't score. I had seats behind the net Cornell was defending during the first overtime, so for that overtime I moved down and stood in a walkway at the other end, as I wanted a better view if we scored and not if they did. I was back in my seat for that 2nd o't. One other aside - two years earlier, listening to a hockey game on CBC radio, I had heard an interview with Bert Olmstead (former NHL player), where he mentioned his son was interested in playing college hockey in the states. I went into Dick Bertrand's office and discussed it with him - and he said he had met Bert once at a clinic and he'd follow up. I don't know if we ever had a chance at getting Dennis Olmstead, but two years later he was a freshman at Wisconsin and won every damn faceoff in that final minute including the one that set up the equalizer with 5 seconds left. There are some painful things you never forget.

Like a band. For those who don't understand, search eLynah, it's been discussed before. If you can't find it, maybe someone else can post it, or I will once I'm back on a real computer.

Getting back to the topic at hand, does anyone know the (I'm assuming recently broken) record for consecutive shut-out minutes at Lynah?

jtn27
Getting back to the topic at hand, does anyone know the (I'm assuming recently broken) record for consecutive shut-out minutes at Lynah?

I doubt there's an official number, but prior to this season no Cornell team had ever had more than two consecutive shutouts at Lynah. It had happened six times, most recently in 2008-09 when Ben Scrivens put up a 166:11 streak.

If you'd like to step into the WayBack machine, Cornell did once put up a streak of three straight home shutouts, with one in 1907 and two in 1908. These appear to be the first three games Cornell ever played in Ithaca -- not a bad debut. The Big Red wouldn't play another game in Ithaca until 1914, and they lost that one 2-0 to Columbia, thus ending the streak at 180+ minutes.

Give My Regards

jtn27
Getting back to the topic at hand, does anyone know the (I'm assuming recently broken) record for consecutive shut-out minutes at Lynah?

I doubt there's an official number, but prior to this season no Cornell team had ever had more than two consecutive shutouts at Lynah. It had happened six times, most recently in 2008-09 when Ben Scrivens put up a 166:11 streak.

If you'd like to step into the WayBack machine, Cornell did once put up a streak of three straight home shutouts, with one in 1907 and two in 1908. These appear to be the first three games Cornell ever played in Ithaca -- not a bad debut. The Big Red wouldn't play another game in Ithaca until 1914, and they lost that one 2-0 to Columbia, thus ending the streak at 180+ minutes.

Assuming that standard 60-minute games were established (and enforced) back then.

jkahn

BearLover

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

That 1973 box score should probably read 19:27 for the final goal, or 9:27 of 5th period, depending on how you look at it. Back then they switched sides after the 3rd period, played a 10 minute overtime, then switched sides again for the next 10. Regular season overtime was 10 minutes back then, so they would refer to it as double overtime - but it makes some sense to adjust it if one wants to compare with the way it's done today. To make that game even more painful, we had a 2 on 0 breakaway in the first overtime and didn't score. I had seats behind the net Cornell was defending during the first overtime, so for that overtime I moved down and stood in a walkway at the other end, as I wanted a better view if we scored and not if they did. I was back in my seat for that 2nd o't. One other aside - two years earlier, listening to a hockey game on CBC radio, I had heard an interview with Bert Olmstead (former NHL player), where he mentioned his son was interested in playing college hockey in the states. I went into Dick Bertrand's office and discussed it with him - and he said he had met Bert once at a clinic and he'd follow up. I don't know if we ever had a chance at getting Dennis Olmstead, but two years later he was a freshman at Wisconsin and won every damn faceoff in that final minute including the one that set up the equalizer with 5 seconds left. There are some painful things you never forget.

That's great info. Also, I will update the box accordingly - thanks!

Since you brought it up, I'm rewriting the code for the database and am including provisions for rule and format changes. Most recently, we've had the change of delayed penalty goals still resulting in a power play. Anyone want to tackle a canonical list of changes over time (Lynah era, anyway)? OT length, format, those godforsaken playoff mini-games, etc...

jkahn

BearLover

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

That 1973 box score should probably read 19:27 for the final goal, or 9:27 of 5th period, depending on how you look at it. Back then they switched sides after the 3rd period, played a 10 minute overtime, then switched sides again for the next 10. Regular season overtime was 10 minutes back then, so they would refer to it as double overtime - but it makes some sense to adjust it if one wants to compare with the way it's done today. To make that game even more painful, we had a 2 on 0 breakaway in the first overtime and didn't score. I had seats behind the net Cornell was defending during the first overtime, so for that overtime I moved down and stood in a walkway at the other end, as I wanted a better view if we scored and not if they did. I was back in my seat for that 2nd o't. One other aside - two years earlier, listening to a hockey game on CBC radio, I had heard an interview with Bert Olmstead (former NHL player), where he mentioned his son was interested in playing college hockey in the states. I went into Dick Bertrand's office and discussed it with him - and he said he had met Bert once at a clinic and he'd follow up. I don't know if we ever had a chance at getting Dennis Olmstead, but two years later he was a freshman at Wisconsin and won every damn faceoff in that final minute including the one that set up the equalizer with 5 seconds left. There are some painful things you never forget.

Want more pain? Dave Peace thinks he may have scored the GWG in that game had the puck not gone through the netting a la Bobby Butler's goal in Albany against us in 2010. His wish is to see a video (likely non-existent) of the OT periods to verify his belief.

marty

jkahn

BearLover

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

That 1973 box score should probably read 19:27 for the final goal, or 9:27 of 5th period, depending on how you look at it. Back then they switched sides after the 3rd period, played a 10 minute overtime, then switched sides again for the next 10. Regular season overtime was 10 minutes back then, so they would refer to it as double overtime - but it makes some sense to adjust it if one wants to compare with the way it's done today. To make that game even more painful, we had a 2 on 0 breakaway in the first overtime and didn't score. I had seats behind the net Cornell was defending during the first overtime, so for that overtime I moved down and stood in a walkway at the other end, as I wanted a better view if we scored and not if they did. I was back in my seat for that 2nd o't. One other aside - two years earlier, listening to a hockey game on CBC radio, I had heard an interview with Bert Olmstead (former NHL player), where he mentioned his son was interested in playing college hockey in the states. I went into Dick Bertrand's office and discussed it with him - and he said he had met Bert once at a clinic and he'd follow up. I don't know if we ever had a chance at getting Dennis Olmstead, but two years later he was a freshman at Wisconsin and won every damn faceoff in that final minute including the one that set up the equalizer with 5 seconds left. There are some painful things you never forget.

Want more pain? Dave Peace thinks he may have scored the GWG in that game had the puck not gone through the netting a la Bobby Butler's goal in Albany against us in 2010. His wish is to see a video (likely non-existent) of the OT periods to verify his belief.

The only NCAA games with CU that have been for sale are the 2006 UW and 1969 DU games. When I bought those, years ago, I got them from the NCAA and you could put in a request for other games. They said that when they got enough requests they'd notify me to purchase it. Well I never heard about any and now the NCAA directs you to buy them from Amazon, with no option to ask for others. I'm emailing them about that, but doubt any help.

Jim Hyla
The only NCAA games with CU that have been for sale are the 2006 UW and 1969 DU games. When I bought those, years ago, I got them from the NCAA and you could put in a request for other games. They said that when they got enough requests they'd notify me to purchase it. Well I never heard about any and now the NCAA directs you to buy them from Amazon, with no option to ask for others. I'm emailing them about that, but doubt any help.

Jim, ask 'em for NCAA games that Cornell won.

Al DeFlorio

Jim Hyla
The only NCAA games with CU that have been for sale are the 2006 UW and 1969 DU games. When I bought those, years ago, I got them from the NCAA and you could put in a request for other games. They said that when they got enough requests they'd notify me to purchase it. Well I never heard about any and now the NCAA directs you to buy them from Amazon, with no option to ask for others. I'm emailing them about that, but doubt any help.

Jim, ask 'em for NCAA games that Cornell won.

If only I could.

Jim Hyla

marty

jkahn

BearLover

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

That 1973 box score should probably read 19:27 for the final goal, or 9:27 of 5th period, depending on how you look at it. Back then they switched sides after the 3rd period, played a 10 minute overtime, then switched sides again for the next 10. Regular season overtime was 10 minutes back then, so they would refer to it as double overtime - but it makes some sense to adjust it if one wants to compare with the way it's done today. To make that game even more painful, we had a 2 on 0 breakaway in the first overtime and didn't score. I had seats behind the net Cornell was defending during the first overtime, so for that overtime I moved down and stood in a walkway at the other end, as I wanted a better view if we scored and not if they did. I was back in my seat for that 2nd o't. One other aside - two years earlier, listening to a hockey game on CBC radio, I had heard an interview with Bert Olmstead (former NHL player), where he mentioned his son was interested in playing college hockey in the states. I went into Dick Bertrand's office and discussed it with him - and he said he had met Bert once at a clinic and he'd follow up. I don't know if we ever had a chance at getting Dennis Olmstead, but two years later he was a freshman at Wisconsin and won every damn faceoff in that final minute including the one that set up the equalizer with 5 seconds left. There are some painful things you never forget.

Want more pain? Dave Peace thinks he may have scored the GWG in that game had the puck not gone through the netting a la Bobby Butler's goal in Albany against us in 2010. His wish is to see a video (likely non-existent) of the OT periods to verify his belief.

The only NCAA games with CU that have been for sale are the 2006 UW and 1969 DU games. When I bought those, years ago, I got them from the NCAA and you could put in a request for other games. They said that when they got enough requests they'd notify me to purchase it. Well I never heard about any and now the NCAA directs you to buy them from Amazon, with no option to ask for others. I'm emailing them about that, but doubt any help.

It isn't likely that a semi from 1973 would be released.

Jim Hyla

marty

jkahn

BearLover

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

That 1973 box score should probably read 19:27 for the final goal, or 9:27 of 5th period, depending on how you look at it. Back then they switched sides after the 3rd period, played a 10 minute overtime, then switched sides again for the next 10. Regular season overtime was 10 minutes back then, so they would refer to it as double overtime - but it makes some sense to adjust it if one wants to compare with the way it's done today. To make that game even more painful, we had a 2 on 0 breakaway in the first overtime and didn't score. I had seats behind the net Cornell was defending during the first overtime, so for that overtime I moved down and stood in a walkway at the other end, as I wanted a better view if we scored and not if they did. I was back in my seat for that 2nd o't. One other aside - two years earlier, listening to a hockey game on CBC radio, I had heard an interview with Bert Olmstead (former NHL player), where he mentioned his son was interested in playing college hockey in the states. I went into Dick Bertrand's office and discussed it with him - and he said he had met Bert once at a clinic and he'd follow up. I don't know if we ever had a chance at getting Dennis Olmstead, but two years later he was a freshman at Wisconsin and won every damn faceoff in that final minute including the one that set up the equalizer with 5 seconds left. There are some painful things you never forget.

Want more pain? Dave Peace thinks he may have scored the GWG in that game had the puck not gone through the netting a la Bobby Butler's goal in Albany against us in 2010. His wish is to see a video (likely non-existent) of the OT periods to verify his belief.

The only NCAA games with CU that have been for sale are the 2006 UW and 1969 DU games. When I bought those, years ago, I got them from the NCAA and you could put in a request for other games. They said that when they got enough requests they'd notify me to purchase it. Well I never heard about any and now the NCAA directs you to buy them from Amazon, with no option to ask for others. I'm emailing them about that, but doubt any help.

I remember this game because Cornell had a two on zip in the overtime and 'hit the backboards.' I am not sure but maybe that was Daved Peace who hit missed the net, or not.

Old Red

Jim Hyla

marty

jkahn

BearLover

Trotsky

Swampy
Sometimes even one classic game can make two schools rivals.

Unfortunately that was not our only classic game against them.

Wow, didn't know about that game! Didn't think it could get much worse than the 3-OT loss, but it can!

That 1973 box score should probably read 19:27 for the final goal, or 9:27 of 5th period, depending on how you look at it. Back then they switched sides after the 3rd period, played a 10 minute overtime, then switched sides again for the next 10. Regular season overtime was 10 minutes back then, so they would refer to it as double overtime - but it makes some sense to adjust it if one wants to compare with the way it's done today. To make that game even more painful, we had a 2 on 0 breakaway in the first overtime and didn't score. I had seats behind the net Cornell was defending during the first overtime, so for that overtime I moved down and stood in a walkway at the other end, as I wanted a better view if we scored and not if they did. I was back in my seat for that 2nd o't. One other aside - two years earlier, listening to a hockey game on CBC radio, I had heard an interview with Bert Olmstead (former NHL player), where he mentioned his son was interested in playing college hockey in the states. I went into Dick Bertrand's office and discussed it with him - and he said he had met Bert once at a clinic and he'd follow up. I don't know if we ever had a chance at getting Dennis Olmstead, but two years later he was a freshman at Wisconsin and won every damn faceoff in that final minute including the one that set up the equalizer with 5 seconds left. There are some painful things you never forget.

Want more pain? Dave Peace thinks he may have scored the GWG in that game had the puck not gone through the netting a la Bobby Butler's goal in Albany against us in 2010. His wish is to see a video (likely non-existent) of the OT periods to verify his belief.

The only NCAA games with CU that have been for sale are the 2006 UW and 1969 DU games. When I bought those, years ago, I got them from the NCAA and you could put in a request for other games. They said that when they got enough requests they'd notify me to purchase it. Well I never heard about any and now the NCAA directs you to buy them from Amazon, with no option to ask for others. I'm emailing them about that, but doubt any help.

I remember this game because Cornell had a two on zip in the overtime and 'hit the backboards.' I am not sure but maybe that was Daved Peace who hit missed the net, or not.

I'm pretty sure it was Don Ceci who shot wide on the 2 on 0. So the referenced Dave Peace shot must've been a different play. I don't recall any controversy about such a possibility.