Polls

USA Today/USA Hockey Mag 9/27
Team	Points	(First Place Votes)	Last Poll	
1	Boston College	504	(28)	1	        
2	North Dakota	462	(4)	7	
3	Miami    	437	(2)	3	
4	Michigan	383		8	
5	Yale    	334		6	
6	St. Cloud 	308		5	
7	Maine	        281		NR	
8	New Hampshire	206		11	
9	Minnesota D'th	195		NR	
10	Cornell 	162		9	
11	Denver	        146		4	
12	Alaska   	125		15	
13	Wisconsin	115		2	
14	Boston U	69		NR	
15	Minnesota	50		NR	
Others receiving votes: University of Notre Dame 43, Rochester Institute of Technology 38, Bemidji State University 36, Ferris State University 36, Union College 34, University of Vermont 28, Northern Michigan University 18, Michigan State University 21, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 16, Colorado College 14, Northeastern University 14, University of Nebraska at Omaha 3, Merrimack College 2.


Read more: [www.uscho.com]

A mere 4 ECAC schools receiving votes. Must be expecting a down year. However, this is the poll where they rank only 1/4 of the schools in the country whereas the other ranks 1/3.

At least we have another year where we appear in the top 10. I do not think that's going to last very long.

Trotsky
At least we have another year where we appear in the top 10. I do not think that's going to last very long.

I was just thinking that this might be our high water mark.

KeithK

Trotsky
At least we have another year where we appear in the top 10. I do not think that's going to last very long.

I was just thinking that this might be our high water mark.

Probably, but it says something that even in a year when we are not so much rebuilding as starting from scratch, we still get the benefit of the doubt.

Well, maybe what it says is the voters just copy down last March's top 10 and move their favorites up a couple slots. But it's gratifying anyway.

For comparison, the history of our ranking since 1995. Oct. 6 1997 and Oct. 2 2006 could be comparable starting points.

I just hope people aren't going apeshit by January if we're around .500 in conference, saying "this is a top 10 team, why are we so mediocre!?" This is probably one of the least experienced teams in the last 20 years when talking about guys in major roles returning. This should be a fun year discovering what we have to look forward to 2-3 years down the road, not a year of constantly smashing our heads against the wall because they haven't already arrived.

Name recognition goes a long way in these things, eh?

Josh '99
Name recognition goes a long way in these things, eh?

Exactly, look at Michigan at #4. Great history but they barely made the NCAA tourney last year - they had to win the CCHA tourney after a lousy overall season.

RatushnyFan

Josh '99
Name recognition goes a long way in these things, eh?

Exactly, look at Michigan at #4. Great history but they barely made the NCAA tourney last year - they had to win the CCHA tourney after a lousy overall season.

But of course the coaches and media pick them and Miami 1-2 in CCHA. Looking at who they have coming back, I'd give Mich a lot more chance than us.

For what it's worth, INCH lists us 15, while Yale is 7 and Union, RPI are 12 and 13. USCHO's ECAC summary comes out Tuesday. I don't know about CHN, Adam?

USCHO has us at #11.

[www.uscho.com]

USCHO has us as 5 in their review.

Why: Where will the offense come from? How close can the new goalies come to filling Scrivens’ sizable shoes? But that said, this is Cornell: “Mediocre” isn’t in the vocabulary.

Jim Hyla
USCHO has us as 5 in their review.

Why: Where will the offense come from? How close can the new goalies come to filling Scrivens’ sizable shoes? But that said, this is Cornell: “Mediocre” isn’t in the vocabulary.

I almost spat coffee when I read that Yale "hasn't lost much." Arcobello, Backman and Dignard? Christ on a diving board, they may be returning a lot, but they've certainly lost a lot too.

I already gave Brian crap for going with 5th and his reply was, "If it were anyone other than Cornell, it'd be 8th."

Trotsky

Jim Hyla
USCHO has us as 5 in their review.

Why: Where will the offense come from? How close can the new goalies come to filling Scrivens’ sizable shoes? But that said, this is Cornell: “Mediocre” isn’t in the vocabulary.

I almost spat coffee when I read that Yale "hasn't lost much." Arcobello, Backman and Dignard? Christ on a diving board, they may be returning a lot, but they've certainly lost a lot too.

I certainly won't miss Arcobello.

I agree that the question of the day is where will the offense come from. My observation is that the game has become faster with more of a premium on speed and skill. The contrast with Yale last year could not have been clearer.

I take it as a given that we will continue to be beasts when our defense is set up but I thought we had a lot of trouble in transition and moving the puck through the neutral zone last year. Perhaps those with better credentials than mine can comment on where the offense will come from.

I think we'll be relying on a lot of "grinder" type goals from guys like J. Devin and Collins. You have to hope that our more "high skill" guys -- think Esposito, Jillson and Roeszler -- will be able to continue the improvement that they showed toward the end of last season.

Given the depth on defense that we seem to have with Gotovets and Brisson being added to our returning group, I wouldn't be surprised to see Whitney get a fair amount of time at forward to add some scoring punch.

Jim Hyla
USCHO has us as 5 in their review.

Why: Where will the offense come from? How close can the new goalies come to filling Scrivens’ sizable shoes? But that said, this is Cornell: “Mediocre” isn’t in the vocabulary.

New starting goalie is most likely Garman, not Iles unless there's a need - I heard this from a player. We'll still have to wait and see how Mike performs under pressure, but he was able to hold the line last year when Scrivens broke, so I have a lot of confidence in him.

As to the offense, we'll just have to wait and see as well. These pre-season polls mean very little anyways.

INCH's ECAC picks lists us at 4, under the title of "PRIMED FOR A FALL". Iles is "IMPACT NEWCOMER".

The ECAC has a poll up on who will win the ECAC regular season. Currently it's 38-31 Yale over us.

Log on and vote for Yale. Reverse woof.

TimV
Log on and vote for Yale. Reverse woof.

The Woofing Gods are not amused.

We slip to 13 in the USCHO poll based on our clutch and grab dryland training. One place better in the USA Today poll.

With Mercyhurst's losss, the Cornell women move up a notch to Number One in the USA Today poll. The USCHO poll leaves them #2, with Wisconsin leapfrogging them to replace Mercyhurst.

Dropped to 14 this week in the USCHO poll and 15 in USA Today.

nyc94
Dropped to 14 this week in the USCHO poll and 15 in USA Today.

It's tough what a couple of wins will do to you.

Somehow we're still 19 in USCHO. The women are still 2. At least INCH had the good sense to drop us.

Via ECAC, Schafer on All-Acess. and Moulson mic'd against Montreal.

Also we're out of the top 15 in USA .... poll.

Out of the top 20 in the Nov. 8 USCHO poll. Tied with Robert Morris for most points (30) in Others Receiving Votes. Yale up to third with five first place votes (out of 50). Union at 12th.

1st time out of the top 20 since 3/24/08.

And a single last place vote in the USA Today Poll

The Women remain at #2 so the OT loss to Mercyhurst did not seem to hurt their standing.

Chris 02
And a single last place vote in the USA Today Poll

That's a single 20th pace vote.

Trotsky

Chris 02
And a single last place vote in the USA Today Poll

That's a single 20th pace vote.

Last place, implying a 15th place vote from a single voter. Was that what you meant?

Chris 02

Trotsky

Chris 02
And a single last place vote in the USA Today Poll

That's a single 20th pace vote.

Last place, implying a 15th place vote from a single voter. Was that what you meant?

Yes.

Cornell drops to 24 in the USCHO poll.

5. Yale
14. Union
18. RPI
22. Dartmouth
24. Cornell
27. Princeton
29. Clarkson (tied)

This week Cornell did not receive a single vote in either the USCHO or USA Today poll for the first time in 62 polling weeks dating back to Nov 5 2007.

Trotsky
This week Cornell did not receive a single vote in either the USCHO or USA Today poll for the first time in 62 polling weeks dating back to Nov 5 2007.

While that is certainly true for the men the women are ranked #2

Towerroad
...and no one has scored on Amanda Mazzotta in the last 139:05 minutes.

Did you have to jinx her? Why not just say only another 309:35 minutes and the NCAA record's hers?

ithacat

Towerroad
...and no one has scored on Amanda Mazzotta in the last 139:05 minutes.

Did you have to jinx her? Why not just say only another 309:35 minutes and the NCAA record's hers?

I am not sure of what you speak. LGR!!!

Towerroad

Trotsky
This week Cornell did not receive a single vote in either the USCHO or USA Today poll for the first time in 62 polling weeks dating back to Nov 5 2007.

While that is certainly true for the men the women are ranked #2

sigh

ugarte

Towerroad

Trotsky
This week Cornell did not receive a single vote in either the USCHO or USA Today poll for the first time in 62 polling weeks dating back to Nov 5 2007.

While that is certainly true for the men the women are ranked #2

sigh

Not any more...moved up to #1 in latest USCHO poll, by a single point.

Has the women's team ever been the #1 team in the country?

margolism

ugarte

Towerroad

Trotsky
This week Cornell did not receive a single vote in either the USCHO or USA Today poll for the first time in 62 polling weeks dating back to Nov 5 2007.

While that is certainly true for the men the women are ranked #2

sigh

Not any more...moved up to #1 in latest USCHO poll, by a single point.

Has the women's team ever been the #1 team in the country?

Maybe once back in the early days of women's college hockey, but I don't think there would have been polls then.

Lots of ECAC teams in the men's D1 poll. Just not us. Seeing Yale ranked #1 now makes our effort at Lynah seem all the better, if not a victory.

[www.uscho.com]

USCHO Poll 
 1. Yale (up from 2)
13. Union
15. RPI 
19. Dartmouth 
Also getting votes: Clarkson, Princeton.

Cornell women remain #1 with 142 points and 8 firsts to 139 and 7 first for Wisconsin.

USA Today / Coaches' Poll
1. Yale
6. Maine 
8. Miami 
13. Union
15. RPI
Also: Dartmouth

The Florida Classic teams this week are rated (USCHO)

6. Miami no change 
8. Maine +1 
NR Cornell and St. Cloud State

Alas, had only the "no goal" call gone the other way...

Killer
Alas, had only the "no goal" call gone the other way...

Yeah, we wouldn't be any better, but Yale wouldn't be number 1.

Jim Hyla

Killer
Alas, had only the "no goal" call gone the other way...

Yeah, we wouldn't be any better, but Yale wouldn't be number 1.

Seeding committees should consider quality losses, too, as would be the case of Cornell-Yale Round I but not Jets-Patriots Round II.

Yale may be No. 1, but their fans still suck. They didn't even sell out their game Sunday afternoon against Union.

dbilmes
Yale may be No. 1, but their fans still suck. They didn't even sell out their game Sunday afternoon against Union.

All true but I think this year I'm buying tickets in advance. It took 20 minutes to scrounge up 2 outside Ingalls last year, although one turned out to be free (the advantage of wearing a Cornell jersey).

Anyway I think Yale is a placeholder for someone out West who goes on a December-early January tear.

billhoward
Seeing Yale ranked #1

is causing much whining over at USCHO.

Ivies atop both Division I polls. How sweet.

nyc94

billhoward
Seeing Yale ranked #1

is causing much whining over at USCHO.

As expected when I saw Al's post: a lot of fans with limited access to spell/grammar-checking who are upset that their teams aren't #1. Unspoken is the greater annoyance that not only will these Ivy League twits rise to control the business world upon graduation, but now they're atop the college world, too.

A couple lucid posts such as this:

redgopher
Mr. Weasel, don't be to quick to make that assumption [Yale #1 only b/c of soft schedule] until you have seen Yale Play, I grew up watching hockey in Minnesota, and this Yale Team is one of the strongest Offensively skilled teams I have seen in the last 45 years of watching college hockey. I don't know what your experience is, but I have been to alot of college games and have seen alot of hockey over the years.

nyc94

billhoward
Seeing Yale ranked #1

is causing much whining over at USCHO.

AAAAAGH, MY EYES!

I should know better than to look at that crap by now.

Josh '99

nyc94

billhoward
Seeing Yale ranked #1

is causing much whining over at USCHO.

AAAAAGH, MY EYES!

I should know better than to look at that crap by now.

We were all warned back in Sunday School what would happen (John 12:40), "“He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts." It's worse for those who are strict grammarians. There and their seems to be a continuing difficulty and its / it's approaches less than random outcome (grammar meets anti-matter). But it's page views. Doubleclick has been served.

billhoward

Josh '99

nyc94

billhoward
Seeing Yale ranked #1

is causing much whining over at USCHO.

AAAAAGH, MY EYES!

I should know better than to look at that crap by now.

We were all warned back in Sunday School what would happen (John 12:40), "“He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts." It's worse for those who are strict grammarians. There and their seems to be a continuing difficulty and its / it's approaches less than random outcome (grammar meets anti-matter). But it's page views. Doubleclick has been served.

"If it weren't for my horse, ..."

Two page spread on Yale Hockey in today's NY Daily News:

[www.nydailynews.com]

Certainly a very clear contrast in playing styles.

Here's a quote from Trotsky on September 28: "I just hope people aren't going apeshit by January if we're around .500 in conference, saying "this is a top 10 team, why are we so mediocre!?" This is probably one of the least experienced teams in the last 20 years when talking about guys in major roles returning. This should be a fun year discovering what we have to look forward to 2-3 years down the road, not a year of constantly smashing our heads against the wall because they haven't already arrived."

Two thoughts:

Geez, this guy is scarily prophetic.
Thanks for putting this season into perspective...doesn't make it any easier, though...

Cornell surges with a four-point weekend on the road and the voters apparently want to see more. At least Harvard isn't doing any better. Among ECAC teams:

[www.uscho.com]
Jan 10, 2011
1. Yale
10. RPI
14. Union
Also receing votes: Princeton, Dartmouth, Clarkson.

Cornell women remain second behind Wisconsin, with 3 first place votes to the Badgers' 12

billhoward
Cornell surges with a four-point weekend on the road and the voters apparently want to see more. At least Harvard isn't doing any better. Among ECAC teams:

[www.uscho.com]
Jan 10, 2011
1. Yale
10. RPI
14. Union
Also receing votes: Princeton, Dartmouth, Clarkson.

Cornell women remain second behind Wisconsin, with 3 first place votes to the Badgers' 12

Looks like Cornell will host two ranked teams this weekend.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Our near-sweep (excluding the second and third periods of Saturday's game) didn't buy Cornell men even a single vote in either poll but it did knock RPI down about 4 places to the mid-teens. I still say we're the most under-rating team in the bottom half of the rankings. Yale lost but still remained #1.

Women still #2 behind Wisconsin.

BigRedHockeyFan
[www.collegehockeynews.com]

I think maybe this link is more instructive about the changes. Basically, they redefined TUC as "team with RPI over .500" rather than "team in the top 25 of RPI" (which I personally didn't remember them ever having changed it to, but that's just because I wasn't paying attention).

billhoward
Our near-sweep (excluding the second and third periods of Saturday's game) didn't buy Cornell men even a single vote in either poll but it did knock RPI down about 4 places to the mid-teens. I still say we're the most under-rating team in the bottom half of the rankings. Yale lost but still remained #1.

Women still #2 behind Wisconsin.

The only poll that matters...

OK, that's just wrong.

Jeff Hopkins '82
OK, that's just wrong.

So, so wrong.

One of the polls covers half the D1 teams in the country and we remain without even a single honorable mention vote. Wonder what our previous record is for weeks without a mention?

Women still #2.

billhoward
One of the polls covers half the D1 teams in the country and we remain without even a single honorable mention vote. Wonder what our previous record is for weeks without a mention?

Women still #2.

I know I'm out on a limb here, but we probably didn't get any votes at all in 93-94.

billhoward
One of the polls covers half the D1 teams in the country and we remain without even a single honorable mention vote. Wonder what our previous record is for weeks without a mention?

We're currently 34th in KRACH. USCHO poll has 31 teams with at least one point, USA Today has 20.

These records only go back to 1995. If anybody finds earlier ones, I'd be grateful. There was once a poll conducted by a Minnesota radio (TV?) station, and Don Birkmeier's old newsletter may have had records. Or there's always a library of back issues of IJ waiting for a research job by some enterprising and bored youngster.

Current stretch: 8 polls (from 22 Nov 10)

This is the longest streak in over 10 years. Prior to the streak, Cornell had received at least 1 vote in 223 of the previous 227 poll weeks, including one streak of 153 in a row.

Longest streaks without a point:

16 polls (18 Jan 99 through 15 Nov 99)
15 polls (06 Dec 99 through end of season)
10 polls (02 Mar 98 through 09 Nov 98)

The streak of 28 polls from 13 Oct 95 through 11 Nov 96 was, I believe, restricted to failure to crack the top 10.

Cornell in the Pairwise:

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Our long national nightmare is over:

24th with 3 votes in USCHO.

Still absent from USA Today.

Trotsky
Our long national nightmare is over:

24th with 3 votes in USCHO.

But ahead of the Goofers.

The mid-late 1990s version of myself just fell out of his chair when I told him that Yale, RPI, Union, Notre Dame, Merrimack, & Miami (OH) make up half of the Top 12.

Reason #802 why I love college hockey.

Cornell is picking up steam. 5 votes this week in the USCHO Feb, 14 poll, which is the 24th most votes out of 26 teams receiving votes out of ~ 58 D1 schools. Union moves from 9 to 7, RPI falls from 8 to 14. That would of course be the result of the poor officiating rather than Cornell's OT goal Saturday.
[www.uscho.com]


USA Today / Hockey Magazine only goes to 15 ranked teams and 4 others getting votes, so we're not on the list there.
[www.uscho.com]

North Dakota takes over the top spot. BC second, Yale third. While BC was the unanimous number one last week, four different teams received first place votes this week: UND (21), BC (13), Yale (15), and Merrimack (1). Union is fifth, RPI is 14, Dartmouth is 18. Princeton and Cornell are in the "others receiving votes" category with 33 and 24, respectively.

Cornell's dominant bye week moves them up from 25 to 23 in the USCHO poll.

	Team	(First Place)	Record		Points	Last Poll
1	North Dakota	(39)	26- 8-3		987	1
2	Boston College	(10)	26- 7-1		953	2
3	Yale	( 1)		23- 5-1		892	3
4	Union			25- 7-4		842	4
5	Michigan		23- 9-4		784	5
6	Denver			21-10-5		709	5
7	Miami			19- 9-6		666	8
8	Notre Dame		21-10-5		620	10
9	Merrimack		22- 8-4		583	9
10	New Hampshire		19- 9-6		573	7
11	Minnesota-Duluth	20- 9-6		531	11
12	Nebraska-Omaha		21-13-2		488	12
13	Boston University	18-10-8		353	13
14	Maine			17-10-7		345	14
15	Western Michigan	16-10-10	286	15
16	Colorado College	19-16-3		221	17
17	Minnesota		16-12-6		185	19
18	Dartmouth		16-10-3		165	20
19	Wisconsin		20-14-4		164	18
20	Rensselaer		20-12-5		98	16
Others Receiving Votes: St. Cloud State 21, Ferris State 17, Cornell 10, Rochester Institute of Technology 4, Robert Morris 2, Alaska 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

Trotsky
Cornell's dominant bye week moves them up from 25 to 23 in the USCHO poll.

	Team	(First Place)	Record		Points	Last Poll
1	North Dakota	(39)	26- 8-3		987	1
2	Boston College	(10)	26- 7-1		953	2
3	Yale	( 1)		23- 5-1		892	3
4	Union			25- 7-4		842	4
5	Michigan		23- 9-4		784	5
6	Denver			21-10-5		709	5
7	Miami			19- 9-6		666	8
8	Notre Dame		21-10-5		620	10
9	Merrimack		22- 8-4		583	9
10	New Hampshire		19- 9-6		573	7
11	Minnesota-Duluth	20- 9-6		531	11
12	Nebraska-Omaha		21-13-2		488	12
13	Boston University	18-10-8		353	13
14	Maine			17-10-7		345	14
15	Western Michigan	16-10-10	286	15
16	Colorado College	19-16-3		221	17
17	Minnesota		16-12-6		185	19
18	Dartmouth		16-10-3		165	20
19	Wisconsin		20-14-4		164	18
20	Rensselaer		20-12-5		98	16
Others Receiving Votes: St. Cloud State 21, Ferris State 17, Cornell 10, Rochester Institute of Technology 4, Robert Morris 2, Alaska 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

How much would it cost me to have you not play?

Towerroad

Trotsky
Cornell's dominant bye week moves them up from 25 to 23 in the USCHO poll.

	Team	(First Place)	Record		Points	Last Poll
1	North Dakota	(39)	26- 8-3		987	1
2	Boston College	(10)	26- 7-1		953	2
3	Yale	( 1)		23- 5-1		892	3
4	Union			25- 7-4		842	4
5	Michigan		23- 9-4		784	5
6	Denver			21-10-5		709	5
7	Miami			19- 9-6		666	8
8	Notre Dame		21-10-5		620	10
9	Merrimack		22- 8-4		583	9
10	New Hampshire		19- 9-6		573	7
11	Minnesota-Duluth	20- 9-6		531	11
12	Nebraska-Omaha		21-13-2		488	12
13	Boston University	18-10-8		353	13
14	Maine			17-10-7		345	14
15	Western Michigan	16-10-10	286	15
16	Colorado College	19-16-3		221	17
17	Minnesota		16-12-6		185	19
18	Dartmouth		16-10-3		165	20
19	Wisconsin		20-14-4		164	18
20	Rensselaer		20-12-5		98	16
Others Receiving Votes: St. Cloud State 21, Ferris State 17, Cornell 10, Rochester Institute of Technology 4, Robert Morris 2, Alaska 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

How much would it cost me to have you not play?

You couldn't afford it.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Towerroad

Trotsky
Cornell's dominant bye week moves them up from 25 to 23 in the USCHO poll.

	Team	(First Place)	Record		Points	Last Poll
1	North Dakota	(39)	26- 8-3		987	1
2	Boston College	(10)	26- 7-1		953	2
3	Yale	( 1)		23- 5-1		892	3
4	Union			25- 7-4		842	4
5	Michigan		23- 9-4		784	5
6	Denver			21-10-5		709	5
7	Miami			19- 9-6		666	8
8	Notre Dame		21-10-5		620	10
9	Merrimack		22- 8-4		583	9
10	New Hampshire		19- 9-6		573	7
11	Minnesota-Duluth	20- 9-6		531	11
12	Nebraska-Omaha		21-13-2		488	12
13	Boston University	18-10-8		353	13
14	Maine			17-10-7		345	14
15	Western Michigan	16-10-10	286	15
16	Colorado College	19-16-3		221	17
17	Minnesota		16-12-6		185	19
18	Dartmouth		16-10-3		165	20
19	Wisconsin		20-14-4		164	18
20	Rensselaer		20-12-5		98	16
Others Receiving Votes: St. Cloud State 21, Ferris State 17, Cornell 10, Rochester Institute of Technology 4, Robert Morris 2, Alaska 1

Read more: [www.uscho.com]

How much would it cost me to have you not play?

You couldn't afford it.

Ah the classics!

Towerroad

Jeff Hopkins '82

Towerroad

Trotsky
Snip

How much would it cost me to have you not play?

You couldn't afford it.

Ah the classics!

Yeah, not enough Marx Brothers references here.