Another New Recruit

BRP reporting that Swedish defenseman Joakim Ryan has committed to Cornell for 2011. Looks like another excellent pick-up.

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A Swedish defenseman!!!! He's already got good size at 6'0", 190 lbs. as a 16 year old.

Välkommen!!!

imafrshmn
A Swedish defenseman!!!! He's already got good size at 6'0", 190 lbs. as a 16 year old.

190 pounds? Are we sure he didn't eat a 16-year-old?

jtwcornell91

imafrshmn
A Swedish defenseman!!!! He's already got good size at 6'0", 190 lbs. as a 16 year old.

190 pounds? Are we sure he didn't eat a 16-year-old?

At 190 pounds, "midgets" aren't what they used to be.

Two Swedes named Murray and Ryan. Thank God for mixed marriages.

jtwcornell91

imafrshmn
A Swedish defenseman!!!! He's already got good size at 6'0", 190 lbs. as a 16 year old.

190 pounds? Are we sure he didn't eat a 16-year-old?

I hope he's ill-tempered. I miss having an ill-tempered Swede on the team.

Tom Lento

jtwcornell91

imafrshmn
A Swedish defenseman!!!! He's already got good size at 6'0", 190 lbs. as a 16 year old.

190 pounds? Are we sure he didn't eat a 16-year-old?

I hope he's ill-tempered. I miss having an ill-tempered Swede on the team.

Apparently our favorite Swedish defenseman got close and "chummy" with Jerome Iglina last night in the Shark tank.

CBC's HNIC post-game show had a brief interview with Jerome and they showed some of the hits. Jerome commented on how big Murray was and how he can pack a hit and how Murray might be as wide as he is tall .

Maybe Murray ate a 16 yr old for his pre-game meal.

Tom Lento
I hope he's ill-tempered. I miss having an ill-tempered Swede on the team.

Perhaps Elin Woods has eligibility left.

He also apparently runs cross country and plays lacrosse. I wonder if the experience with Milo has changed Mike's attitude about two-sport players. It would be quite cool to see a Cornell athlete who plays D in hockey but also plays lacrosse. The last time we had one of those, we did quite well in both.

Swampy
He also apparently runs cross country and plays lacrosse. I wonder if the experience with Milo has changed Mike's attitude about two-sport players. It would be quite cool to see a Cornell athlete who plays D in hockey but also plays lacrosse. The last time we had one of those, we did quite well in both.

I thought Harry Orr was a forward, no?

TimV

Swampy
He also apparently runs cross country and plays lacrosse. I wonder if the experience with Milo has changed Mike's attitude about two-sport players. It would be quite cool to see a Cornell athlete who plays D in hockey but also plays lacrosse. The last time we had one of those, we did quite well in both.

I thought Harry Orr was a forward, no?

no, he played D.

TimV

Swampy
He also apparently runs cross country and plays lacrosse. I wonder if the experience with Milo has changed Mike's attitude about two-sport players. It would be quite cool to see a Cornell athlete who plays D in hockey but also plays lacrosse. The last time we had one of those, we did quite well in both.

I thought Harry Orr was a forward, no?

No, he only scored like one (97 points in 3 years as a defenseman in varsity hockey and 20 points in I think only one season as a middie in lacrosse).

TimV

Swampy
He also apparently runs cross country and plays lacrosse. I wonder if the experience with Milo has changed Mike's attitude about two-sport players. It would be quite cool to see a Cornell athlete who plays D in hockey but also plays lacrosse. The last time we had one of those, we did quite well in both.

I thought Harry Orr was a forward, no?

Harry came to Cornell as a forward and played forward on the freshman team and as a sophomore on the varsity. Ned converted him to defense his last two years. This was common practice with Ned. Bruce Pattison was another conversion and another All-American at defense. Steve Giuliani was another conversion. Of course, the best known conversion was Dan Lodboa, MOP of the 1970 NCAA tournament and named to the NCAA tournament 50th anniversary team, along with Ken Dryden.

Ned wanted offense from his defensemen, and, for whatever reason, size at defense didn't matter as much 40 years ago. If Harry weighed 165 I'd be surprised. Sure could move the puck, though. Kind of like his namesake on the Bruins.

Wow. Great long-term memory Al. Thanks.

There was also Bob Rule in lacrosse / hockey on the 1970 championship team although Rule was mostly a desperation move to have a backup to goalie Brian Cropper. And Glen Mueller in basketball and lacrosse circa 1972. Bill Murray, sort of the Douglas Murray (size, checking ability) of the early 1970s played soccer and helped Cornell to the Final Four as well as hockey, but he gave up hockey at the strong urging of the coaching staff to concentrate on hockey his senior year, but it turned out to be a went-nowhere year on the heels of those two final four appearances.

In fairness to the single sport ethic, the schedule is getting longer and there's even more off season conditioning involved. (Was it David Peace who said off season conditioning used to be the aluminum curl?) In the case of hockey-baseball, as long as baseball doesn't cut further into academics, it seems the harm is more baseball than hockey.

Swampy
He also apparently runs cross country and plays lacrosse. I wonder if the experience with Milo has changed Mike's attitude about two-sport players. It would be quite cool to see a Cornell athlete who plays D in hockey but also plays lacrosse. The last time we had one of those, we did quite well in both.

Not to put a damper on everyone's two-sport enthusiasm, but is there any reason to believe he's actually going to also play lacrosse at Cornell? It seems safe to say that every year, tens of thousands of high school two-sport or three-sport athletes pick just one to continue with in the NCAA.

IIRC, Mueller played basketball because the team was desperate for anyone who could play at all (I seem to recall a rash of injuries and resignations from the team (?)), so they recruited from the other Cornell squads and Bill agreed to play. Honestly, I remember watching some of the guys on our track team horsing around on the court one day and thinking that they could probably beat the official basketball team. Hell, with the multi-Heps triple jump champions, Jim Leonard and Jorman Granger, and Paul Baginski, a 6' 8" 275 lb discus thrower, all of whom had some b-ball skills, we probably could have put together a team that would have given them a run for their money.

billhoward
There was also Bob Rule in lacrosse / hockey on the 1970 championship team although Rule was mostly a desperation move to have a backup to goalie Brian Cropper. And Glen Mueller in basketball and lacrosse circa 1972. Bill Murray, sort of the Douglas Murray (size, checking ability) of the early 1970s played soccer and helped Cornell to the Final Four as well as hockey, but he gave up hockey at the strong urging of the coaching staff to concentrate on hockey his senior year, but it turned out to be a went-nowhere year on the heels of those two final four appearances.

My classmate, Bruce Cohen, was a three-time All-American attackman and subsequent Hall-of-Famer in lacrosse, and also a high-scoring attack in soccer (led the Ivy League in goals-scored twice, and they named him honorable mention All-Ivy ). He played guard on the frosh basketball team, as well.

Bruce was a legitimate two-sport star. Tough as nails, and a helluva nice guy. Engineer, too.

Josh '99

Swampy
He also apparently runs cross country and plays lacrosse. I wonder if the experience with Milo has changed Mike's attitude about two-sport players. It would be quite cool to see a Cornell athlete who plays D in hockey but also plays lacrosse. The last time we had one of those, we did quite well in both.

Not to put a damper on everyone's two-sport enthusiasm, but is there any reason to believe he's actually going to also play lacrosse at Cornell? It seems safe to say that every year, tens of thousands of high school two-sport or three-sport athletes pick just one to continue with in the NCAA.

What's this ... injecting a note of reality into our musings? Do you recall so many of us wondering whether Matt Moulson, having finished his Cornell hockey career, might pick up a lacrosse stick his senior spring? I suspect it was just us, not Matt, thinking that.

Killer
IIRC, Mueller played basketball because the team was desperate for anyone who could play at all (I seem to recall a rash of injuries and resignations from the team (?)), so they recruited from the other Cornell squads and Bill agreed to play. Honestly, I remember watching some of the guys on our track team horsing around on the court one day and thinking that they could probably beat the official basketball team. Hell, with the multi-Heps triple jump champions, Jim Leonard and Jorman Granger, and Paul Baginski, a 6' 8" 275 lb discus thrower, all of whom had some b-ball skills, we probably could have put together a team that would have given them a run for their money.

[Drifting here] The team was desperate for bodies; I just don't recall if Glenn (Bill? I thought Glenn) Mueller was a recruited player not a walk-on.

[Really drifting OT:] Regardless, the most (retroactively) famous hoops player of the era turned out to be Bruce Hulse '74 (same year as Christopher Reeve), who went on to a successful career in modeling. There was also some racial unrest on the football though it was localized. Barrett Rosser, an imposing NFL-size black quarterback, was relegated to backup behind a three-year white starter, and some of the players thought the coach's choice wasn't color-blind. Remember this is only 2-3-4 years after the spring fling campus shutdowns (no spring exams 3 years running!) and the takeover of the Straight. The Justin Milo flap would have been a minor flare-up in comparison.

The then hoops coach, Tony Coma, came in from mostly black Cheney State (PA) and Cornell's hopes were he could peacefully blend the black and white elements of a team that wasn't performing very well. He managed to annoy most of the black players, who up and left, and in doing so got his lifelong wish: to be written up in Sports Illustrated. Unfortunately the story was not headlined, "Cornell's Peacemaker Coach Returns Big Red to Ivy Prominence" but "Low in Cayuga's Waters." I remember talking to Frank Dolson, sports editor of the Philadelplhia Inquirer (which covered Cheney State's DIII or DII exploits) and Dolson said he couldn't believe a school like Cornell didn't dig deeper before hiring Coma. So on the one hand you have a Cornell athletic administration making brilliant hires in the 1960s (Ned Harkness, Richie Moran) and then just a few years later some dubious hires. Some critics said the long-time dean of athletics had gotten too caught up in his US Olympics role. But, heck, it's all a long time ago.

My fondest memory is the lanky center of the basketball team, Lynn Locki, recounted going back to his home in Michigan and telling his friends what was happening in Ithaca. "They'd roll on the floor laughing and say, 'Stop, Lynn, stop.'"

Personally, I kind of like the current memories of taking down Penn and Princeton in the same year and getting to the NCAAs.

Perhaps Cornell's most prominent two sport athlete in the last 50 years is Bruce Arena, a lacrosse middie and soccer goalie who excelled at both on a national level.

billhoward

Josh '99

Swampy
He also apparently runs cross country and plays lacrosse. I wonder if the experience with Milo has changed Mike's attitude about two-sport players. It would be quite cool to see a Cornell athlete who plays D in hockey but also plays lacrosse. The last time we had one of those, we did quite well in both.

Not to put a damper on everyone's two-sport enthusiasm, but is there any reason to believe he's actually going to also play lacrosse at Cornell? It seems safe to say that every year, tens of thousands of high school two-sport or three-sport athletes pick just one to continue with in the NCAA.

What's this ... injecting a note of reality into our musings? Do you recall so many of us wondering whether Matt Moulson, having finished his Cornell hockey career, might pick up a lacrosse stick his senior spring? I suspect it was just us, not Matt, thinking that.

Not really? It was a terrible idea, if we actually wondered that, given that he was an NHL draftee with a potential future career as a professional hockey player and no sense risking that future with another team that he would be joining mid-season. It might've been just you, not "us", thinking that.

jkahn
Perhaps Cornell's most prominent two sport athlete in the last 50 years is Bruce Arena, a lacrosse middie and soccer goalie who excelled at both on a national level.

Most recent star two-sport athlete is probably Jeomi Maduka, several-time All-American in track and Ivy basketball player of the year.

Al DeFlorio

jkahn
Perhaps Cornell's most prominent two sport athlete in the last 50 years is Bruce Arena, a lacrosse middie and soccer goalie who excelled at both on a national level.

Most recent star two-sport athlete is probably Jeomi Maduka, several-time All-American in track and Ivy basketball player of the year.

She didn't play Basketball her senior year to completely focus on track. Here's my question, how many of the multi-sport athletes actually played both sports all 4 years?

munchkin

Al DeFlorio

jkahn
Perhaps Cornell's most prominent two sport athlete in the last 50 years is Bruce Arena, a lacrosse middie and soccer goalie who excelled at both on a national level.

Most recent star two-sport athlete is probably Jeomi Maduka, several-time All-American in track and Ivy basketball player of the year.

She didn't play Basketball her senior year to completely focus on track. Here's my question, how many of the multi-sport athletes actually played both sports all 4 years?

Well, none did when freshmen were ineligible for varsity teams. Bruce Cohen played both lacrosse and soccer all three years he was eligible. He missed one season of lacrosse with an injury, but stuck around to get a five-year undergraduate engineering degree and played lacrosse that spring, making first-team All-America.

It was not unusual in the 1960s for someone to play both lacrosse and football. Ting Vanneman '67 was an All-East second team offensive tackle in football and captain of the 1967 lacrosse team as a defenseman. Our own TimV also played both lacrosse and football, and still threatens to suit up when the game gets close.

No size, no speed, no chance.

Al DeFlorio

munchkin

Al DeFlorio

jkahn
Perhaps Cornell's most prominent two sport athlete in the last 50 years is Bruce Arena, a lacrosse middie and soccer goalie who excelled at both on a national level.

Most recent star two-sport athlete is probably Jeomi Maduka, several-time All-American in track and Ivy basketball player of the year.

She didn't play Basketball her senior year to completely focus on track. Here's my question, how many of the multi-sport athletes actually played both sports all 4 years?

Well, none did when freshmen were ineligible for varsity teams. Bruce Cohen played both lacrosse and soccer all three years he was eligible. He missed one season of lacrosse with an injury, but stuck around to get a five-year undergraduate engineering degree and played lacrosse that spring, making first-team All-America.

It was not unusual in the 1960s for someone to play both lacrosse and football. Ting Vanneman '67 was an All-East second team offensive tackle in football and captain of the 1967 lacrosse team as a defenseman. Our own TimV also played both lacrosse and football, and still threatens to suit up when the game gets close.

Not to drift too far, but what the hey. "Jim Brown," need I say more?

Swampy

Al DeFlorio

munchkin

Al DeFlorio

jkahn
Perhaps Cornell's most prominent two sport athlete in the last 50 years is Bruce Arena, a lacrosse middie and soccer goalie who excelled at both on a national level.

Most recent star two-sport athlete is probably Jeomi Maduka, several-time All-American in track and Ivy basketball player of the year.

She didn't play Basketball her senior year to completely focus on track. Here's my question, how many of the multi-sport athletes actually played both sports all 4 years?

Well, none did when freshmen were ineligible for varsity teams. Bruce Cohen played both lacrosse and soccer all three years he was eligible. He missed one season of lacrosse with an injury, but stuck around to get a five-year undergraduate engineering degree and played lacrosse that spring, making first-team All-America.

It was not unusual in the 1960s for someone to play both lacrosse and football. Ting Vanneman '67 was an All-East second team offensive tackle in football and captain of the 1967 lacrosse team as a defenseman. Our own TimV also played both lacrosse and football, and still threatens to suit up when the game gets close.

Not to drift too far, but what the hey. "Jim Brown," need I say more?

Other non-Cornell two-sport stars in recent years include Charlie Ward, Julius Peppers and Ron Curry, all of whom were basketball/football. Antonio Gates could have been a two-sport star but his first college coach (Nick Saban) wouldn't let him and he preferred basketball ... so he bailed on Michigan State and didn't play any college football(!). There are plenty of football/track two-sport athletes in college, mostly WR/sprinters.

jkahn
Here's my question, how many of the multi-sport athletes actually played both sports all 4 years?

Here's one:
Jaimee Reynolds '02 Lacrosse and Volleyball, All American, Ivy POTY, NCAA Woman of the year finalist.

ugarte
There are plenty of football/track two-sport athletes in college, mostly WR/sprinters.

Bo Roberson at Cornell in the 50s. Brian Westfield in the early 60s.

Another football/lacrosse star that requires mention is Eamon.

I believe another two sport player was Brock T (77-81). He was a great goal scorer in ice hockey for several years but I believe he was also an outstanding soccer player his freshman year.

Then, of course, Ned Harkness was very rare as both a two-sport coach and even more so, as one who had undefeated seasons in both sports.

Swampy
Not to drift too far, but what the hey. "Jim Brown," need I say more?

Brown brings to mind Jim Nance, star running back at Syracuse and Patriots' Hall of Fame member, and two-time NCAA heavyweight champion in wrestling. The Lehigh wrestling coach called Nance the best heavyweight wrestler he'd ever seen.

ugarte

Swampy

Al DeFlorio

munchkin

Al DeFlorio

jkahn
Perhaps Cornell's most prominent two sport athlete in the last 50 years is Bruce Arena, a lacrosse middie and soccer goalie who excelled at both on a national level.

Most recent star two-sport athlete is probably Jeomi Maduka, several-time All-American in track and Ivy basketball player of the year.

She didn't play Basketball her senior year to completely focus on track. Here's my question, how many of the multi-sport athletes actually played both sports all 4 years?

Well, none did when freshmen were ineligible for varsity teams. Bruce Cohen played both lacrosse and soccer all three years he was eligible. He missed one season of lacrosse with an injury, but stuck around to get a five-year undergraduate engineering degree and played lacrosse that spring, making first-team All-America.

It was not unusual in the 1960s for someone to play both lacrosse and football. Ting Vanneman '67 was an All-East second team offensive tackle in football and captain of the 1967 lacrosse team as a defenseman. Our own TimV also played both lacrosse and football, and still threatens to suit up when the game gets close.

Not to drift too far, but what the hey. "Jim Brown," need I say more?

Other non-Cornell two-sport stars in recent years include Charlie Ward, Julius Peppers and Ron Curry, all of whom were basketball/football. Antonio Gates could have been a two-sport star but his first college coach (Nick Saban) wouldn't let him and he preferred basketball ... so he bailed on Michigan State and didn't play any college football(!). There are plenty of football/track two-sport athletes in college, mostly WR/sprinters.

And Toby Gerhart (football/baseball)!

Al DeFlorio

Swampy
Not to drift too far, but what the hey. "Jim Brown," need I say more?

Brown brings to mind Jim Nance, star running back at Syracuse and Patriots' Hall of Fame member, and two-time NCAA heavyweight champion in wrestling. The Lehigh wrestling coach called Nance the best heavyweight wrestler he'd ever seen.

As has been said about Brown & lacrosse.

Joakim Ryan-to-Cornell story also in the Newark Star Ledger. Ryan: "Once you're in the rink at Cornell (52-year-old Lynah Rink), it's unbelievable."

billhoward
Joakim Ryan-to-Cornell story also in the Newark Star Ledger. Ryan: "Once you're in the rink at Cornell (52-year-old Lynah Rink), it's unbelievable."

Imagine how well the staff could recruit if the "outside the rink" experience had the same wow impact that the game atmosphere has.

ithacat

billhoward
Joakim Ryan-to-Cornell story also in the Newark Star Ledger. Ryan: "Once you're in the rink at Cornell (52-year-old Lynah Rink), it's unbelievable."

Imagine how well the staff could recruit if the "outside the rink" experience had the same wow impact that the game atmosphere has.

Care to elaborate? I think the "outside the rink" experience at Cornell is wonderful.

mnagowski

ithacat

billhoward
Joakim Ryan-to-Cornell story also in the Newark Star Ledger. Ryan: "Once you're in the rink at Cornell (52-year-old Lynah Rink), it's unbelievable."

Imagine how well the staff could recruit if the "outside the rink" experience had the same wow impact that the game atmosphere has.

Care to elaborate? I think the "outside the rink" experience at Cornell is wonderful.

There's a joke in there, right?

ithacat

mnagowski

ithacat

billhoward
Joakim Ryan-to-Cornell story also in the Newark Star Ledger. Ryan: "Once you're in the rink at Cornell (52-year-old Lynah Rink), it's unbelievable."

Imagine how well the staff could recruit if the "outside the rink" experience had the same wow impact that the game atmosphere has.

Care to elaborate? I think the "outside the rink" experience at Cornell is wonderful.

There's a joke in there, right?

Gorges. The Farmers Market. Ithaca Commons. Dragon Boat Racing. Johnson Art Museum. Cornell Lacrosse. Sapsucker Woods. Willard Straight Theater. Ruloffs. St. Patrick's Day Dragon. Slope Day. Cornell Wrestling. Cayuga's Waiters. Cornell Plantations. I don't see a joke.

Was it a case of "It's Saturday night, and YOU CAN'T SCORE"???

TimV
Gorges. The Farmers Market. Ithaca Commons. Dragon Boat Racing. Johnson Art Museum. Cornell Lacrosse. Sapsucker Woods. Willard Straight Theater. Ruloffs. St. Patrick's Day Dragon. Slope Day. Cornell Wrestling. Cayuga's Waiters. Cornell Plantations. I don't see a joke.

Was it a case of "It's Saturday night, and YOU CAN'T SCORE"???

And you didn't even touch on the best that Cornell has to offer outside the rink: the amazing faculty and student body. One of the most dynamic, vibrant, enthusiastic, competitive, intelligent, curious, hard-working and interesting collections of people you'll find anywhere on the planet.

Oh, to be 20 and back at Cornell!

Robb
Oh, to be 21 and back at Cornell!

I so rarely do FYPs, but seriously.

Lauren '06

Robb
Oh, to be 21 and back at Cornell!

I so rarely do FYPs, but seriously.

They wrote the lyric before New York raised the drinking age.

Lauren '06

Robb
Oh, to be 21 and back at Cornell!

I so rarely do FYPs, but seriously.

Heh. True story: my first drink was on my 21st birthday - wine coolers from Wegman's. Could I be any studlier?

TimV

ithacat

mnagowski

ithacat

billhoward
Joakim Ryan-to-Cornell story also in the Newark Star Ledger. Ryan: "Once you're in the rink at Cornell (52-year-old Lynah Rink), it's unbelievable."

Imagine how well the staff could recruit if the "outside the rink" experience had the same wow impact that the game atmosphere has.

Care to elaborate? I think the "outside the rink" experience at Cornell is wonderful.

There's a joke in there, right?

Gorges. The Farmers Market. Ithaca Commons. Dragon Boat Racing. Johnson Art Museum. Cornell Lacrosse. Sapsucker Woods. Willard Straight Theater. Ruloffs. St. Patrick's Day Dragon. Slope Day. Cornell Wrestling. Cayuga's Waiters. Cornell Plantations. I don't see a joke.

Was it a case of "It's Saturday night, and YOU CAN'T SCORE"???

I'm being more literal: the hallways masquerading as a concourse, the bathrooms that look like they're from a 50s Greyhound station, the concessions with room temperature creamers that curdle in coffee, the Word produced section signs taped in the hallways...you know, the stuff that's outside the rink but inside the building. That's how I read his quote. Cornell and Ithaca are too rich in their offerings to have been that to which he was referring.

ithacat
I'm being more literal: the hallways masquerading as a concourse, the bathrooms that look like they're from a 50s Greyhound station, the concessions with room temperature creamers that curdle in coffee, the Word produced section signs taped in the hallways...you know, the stuff that's outside the rink but inside the building. That's how I read his quote. Cornell and Ithaca are too rich in their offerings to have been that to which he was referring.

OK, but I'm sure the typical recruiting trip features much more than what we see as fans. Things like the new locker rooms, training equipment, and technical outfitting that were made available to the student-athletes and coaching staffs as part of the recent renovation probably make MUCH more of an impact on recruits than the coffee creamers or the bathrooms the fans use. IIRC the main purpose of the renovation in the first place was to update the facilities for the athletes in order to close the recruiting gap, not to give fans a hallway.

Robb
Oh, to be 20 and back at Cornell!

35 and a moderately good looking professor would work, too.

RichH

ithacat
I'm being more literal: the hallways masquerading as a concourse, the bathrooms that look like they're from a 50s Greyhound station, the concessions with room temperature creamers that curdle in coffee, the Word produced section signs taped in the hallways...you know, the stuff that's outside the rink but inside the building. That's how I read his quote. Cornell and Ithaca are too rich in their offerings to have been that to which he was referring.

OK, but I'm sure the typical recruiting trip features much more than what we see as fans. Things like the new locker rooms, training equipment, and technical outfitting that were made available to the student-athletes and coaching staffs as part of the recent renovation probably make MUCH more of an impact on recruits than the coffee creamers or the bathrooms the fans use. IIRC the main purpose of the renovation in the first place was to update the facilities for the athletes in order to close the recruiting gap, not to give fans a hallway.

Don't forget the skating treadmill!

French Rage
Don't forget the skating treadmill!

I want to try the skating treadmill. I presume it's only for the varsity athletes, though.

Kyle Rose

French Rage
Don't forget the skating treadmill!

I want to try the skating treadmill. I presume it's only for the varsity athletes, though.

Make a big enough donation and you can probably work something out.

KeithK

Kyle Rose

French Rage
Don't forget the skating treadmill!

I want to try the skating treadmill. I presume it's only for the varsity athletes, though.

Make a big enough donation and you can probably work something out.

Yeah, but a big enough donation and I could just buy one myself. My only interest is in trying it for about 30 seconds.

Kyle Rose

KeithK

Kyle Rose

French Rage
Don't forget the skating treadmill!

I want to try the skating treadmill. I presume it's only for the varsity athletes, though.

Make a big enough donation and you can probably work something out.

Yeah, but a big enough donation and I could just buy one myself. My only interest is in trying it for about 30 seconds.

A small donation then.

RichH

ithacat
I'm being more literal: the hallways masquerading as a concourse, the bathrooms that look like they're from a 50s Greyhound station, the concessions with room temperature creamers that curdle in coffee, the Word produced section signs taped in the hallways...you know, the stuff that's outside the rink but inside the building. That's how I read his quote. Cornell and Ithaca are too rich in their offerings to have been that to which he was referring.

OK, but I'm sure the typical recruiting trip features much more than what we see as fans. Things like the new locker rooms, training equipment, and technical outfitting that were made available to the student-athletes and coaching staffs as part of the recent renovation probably make MUCH more of an impact on recruits than the coffee creamers or the bathrooms the fans use. IIRC the main purpose of the renovation in the first place was to update the facilities for the athletes in order to close the recruiting gap, not to give fans a hallway.

Agreed, but just because it's not the most important doesn't mean it's not important -- ok, maybe not the coffee (although I'd love to see a Gimme! espresso cart). An empty Lynah is not very impressive. A lot of recruits use those hallways and concessions and restrooms, especially on unofficial visits. Obviously, I'm in the new arena camp (it's a small camp, I know).

"As I have mentioned previously, athletes choose schools with their eyes, and we need to provide that 'WOW' for them in the complex."
- Peyton Manning on his million dollar donation to Tennessee.

I used to think Manning's quote was entirely related to facilities. With the recent issue surrounding UT's use of their Orange Pride group, I'm not so sure anymore.

ithacat

RichH

ithacat
I'm being more literal: the hallways masquerading as a concourse, the bathrooms that look like they're from a 50s Greyhound station, the concessions with room temperature creamers that curdle in coffee, the Word produced section signs taped in the hallways...you know, the stuff that's outside the rink but inside the building. That's how I read his quote. Cornell and Ithaca are too rich in their offerings to have been that to which he was referring.

OK, but I'm sure the typical recruiting trip features much more than what we see as fans. Things like the new locker rooms, training equipment, and technical outfitting that were made available to the student-athletes and coaching staffs as part of the recent renovation probably make MUCH more of an impact on recruits than the coffee creamers or the bathrooms the fans use. IIRC the main purpose of the renovation in the first place was to update the facilities for the athletes in order to close the recruiting gap, not to give fans a hallway.

Agreed, but just because it's not the most important doesn't mean it's not important -- ok, maybe not the coffee (although I'd love to see a Gimme! espresso cart). An empty Lynah is not very impressive. A lot of recruits use those hallways and concessions and restrooms, especially on unofficial visits. Obviously, I'm in the new arena camp (it's a small camp, I know).

"As I have mentioned previously, athletes choose schools with their eyes, and we need to provide that 'WOW' for them in the complex."
- Peyton Manning on his million dollar donation to Tennessee.

I used to think Manning's quote was entirely related to facilities. With the recent issue surrounding UT's use of their Orange Pride group, I'm not so sure anymore.

Hummm,I wonder what Stanford did to land Tiger Woods. I don't think it could have been the golf course. Do you?

Right. Men think only through their eyes and brains.

Meanwhile, Verizon continues to claim more coverage in more places than AT&T, but VZ still trails the Tiger coverage map.

billhoward
Meanwhile, Verizon continues to claim more coverage in more places than AT&T, but VZ still trails the Tiger coverage map.

I'm still laughing over this.

ithacat

billhoward
Meanwhile, Verizon continues to claim more coverage in more places than AT&T, but VZ still trails the Tiger coverage map.

I'm still laughing over this.

I'm funnier than Ugarte (okay, in my dreams I am) but don't have the looks for stage or TV, or the voice for radio. So I'm reduced to this. But thank you, you're too kind. Actually, I'm dying to see Ugarte on stage, if, like the Nets, he came to NJ. His YouTube videos are polished and remind me of the talent on the pro golf circuit: The difference between the show and the supporting circuit is like one stroke a game. I like that he's funny without the usual crutches of obscenity and sex.

billhoward

I'm funnier than Ugarte (okay, in my dreams I am) but don't have the looks

You're uglier than Ugarte??? Seriously???

TimV

billhoward

I'm funnier than Ugarte (okay, in my dreams I am) but don't have the looks

You're uglier than Ugarte??? Seriously???

WIN