Important message to ice hockey ticket holders

redice
My wife is in serious trouble with me. We sit in Sec. N and she seldom missing any of the happenings on the other side of the ice. I get to watch hockey, knowing that she will make me aware if there is some "happening" in the student secions. She missed this one!!

At least that is what you hope!

I mean if it happened during play, all the students would've been standing. Meaning that it only would've been visible if it happened in the first row or along the aisle. Otherwise, those standing up would've shielded the offenders from view, and in that case the section N usher has x-ray vision and the students are doomed. They won't even be able to cup their mouths and swear anymore.

Trotsky

Hopefully, the other students in Section B responded with the appropriate cheer.

That girl sucks! That girl sucks!

RichH

JDeafv
Supposedly the two were observed by a security person on the far side of the rink (Section N), but by the time security mobilized to the scene they were "finished" and denied everything.

It was deemed unacceptable by the higher-ups in athletics that none of the ushers were paying enough attention to stop this from occurring.

Once again, this could very well be an example of the "those dang kids are up to no good" policy that exists and always siding against the students in a conflict of accounts. Yes, the possiblilty of this being true is eyebrow-raising, but if you stop and THINK about it, doesn't anyone even question the validity of this witnesses account? Surely if it was visible FROM ACROSS THE BUILDING, someone else must have seen it? I know if something like that happened near me in a section as crowded as B, there'd be a little bit of a ruckus.

Bingo. It could also be a salacious story invented to rally the troops against those no good kids. This story doesn't hold up at all. My first instinct is that the usher in question is just bullshitting though.

Chris '03

RichH

JDeafv
Supposedly the two were observed by a security person on the far side of the rink (Section N), but by the time security mobilized to the scene they were "finished" and denied everything.

It was deemed unacceptable by the higher-ups in athletics that none of the ushers were paying enough attention to stop this from occurring.

Once again, this could very well be an example of the "those dang kids are up to no good" policy that exists and always siding against the students in a conflict of accounts. Yes, the possiblilty of this being true is eyebrow-raising, but if you stop and THINK about it, doesn't anyone even question the validity of this witnesses account? Surely if it was visible FROM ACROSS THE BUILDING, someone else must have seen it? I know if something like that happened near me in a section as crowded as B, there'd be a little bit of a ruckus.

Bingo. It could also be a salacious story invented to rally the troops against those no good kids. This story doesn't hold up at all. My first instinct is that the usher in question is just bullshitting though.

Have they subpoenaed the dress?

Couldn't have happened during play...she wouldn't want to miss the game. Would she? Would she? And you can only watch the zamboni go around so often...

I doubt the story is true, but it would give a whole new meaning to the 'facetimers'.

And if it is true, for shame.

TimV
Couldn't have happened during play...she wouldn't want to miss the game. Would she? Would she? And you can only watch the zamboni go around so often...

So that's why Dave had to stop wearing costumes.

That guard in N has some sharp eyes.

it's good to see that the collegetown creeper has been fully rehabilitated and can now function as a positive member of society

TimV
SHHHHH! It's a good story - don't blow it.

FYP

Hey Ref Girl in Section B! Get of your knees, you're blowing [during] the game!

RichH

JDeafv
Supposedly the two were observed by a security person on the far side of the rink (Section N), but by the time security mobilized to the scene they were "finished" and denied everything.

It was deemed unacceptable by the higher-ups in athletics that none of the ushers were paying enough attention to stop this from occurring.

Once again, this could very well be an example of the "those dang kids are up to no good" policy that exists and always siding against the students in a conflict of accounts. Yes, the possiblilty of this being true is eyebrow-raising, but if you stop and THINK about it, doesn't anyone even question the validity of this witnesses account? Surely if it was visible FROM ACROSS THE BUILDING, someone else must have seen it? I know if something like that happened near me in a section as crowded as B, there'd be a little bit of a ruckus.

I have to say that was my first thought (ok, well, second ). Did anyone in the section see it? Anyone else across the way? Wouldn't this have been a major happening & story, not to mention having charges pressed for public indecency??

Coming from ushers who identify the wrong fish thrower when standing next to them, I'd have to imagine the odds of it being something that never happened is reasonably high. Or is this corroborated?

Hey Jeff- Is that smilie really whistling???

TimV
Hey Jeff- Is that smilie really whistling???

Or is it

The "Harvard Sucks" thread has 335 posts since Dec 1 2003 - almost 5 years and 10 weeks.

This thread has 215 posts in 2 weeks. If we could get RichS to post here we could easily get the 121 posts needed to set the record and it would probably only take 4-5 days...

TimV
The "Harvard Sucks" thread has 335 posts since Dec 1 2003 - almost 5 years and 10 weeks.

This thread has 215 posts in 2 weeks. If we could get RichS to post here we could easily get the 121 posts needed to set the record and it would probably only take 4-5 days...

It'll never happen - this thread doesn't fit with his worldview that the Cornell students and band currently get away with everything and act just as badly as the Clarkson fans currently do.

Given that I started this thread, and it's well on its way to the lead (though probably won't sustain it), I feel the need to add something substantive to keep the debate alive...but actually I wanted to be clear about where I stand because I believe many people on here think that it's simply a matter of students wanting to swear.

I have no problem with Athletics attempting to take out swearing from Lynah Rink, nor do I believe we cannot create cheers without profanity. The problem has always been, and continues to be, the comparative treatment between student hockey fans and other fans (e.g. Townie's or students at baskeball games). While this stretches beyond just swearing into ticket prices or free gear, the problem right now obviously focuses on swearing. Most notably, what angered me about the most recent attempts was the clear focus on students alone. Had Athletics enforced this policy from sections A-O, balcony inclusive, students would have little reason to complain. Yet, when the profanity=ejection signs are posted outside just student sections and section O, one cannot dispute the bias. Despite the fact that I would prefer no student be ejected from any sporting event, I was pleased that enforcement is now occurring at Newman because it shows equal treatment across sporting events.

Many here have attested to the fact that swearing occurs in the Townie sections, yet I’ll be damned if one Townie section has ever been policed as thoroughly by ushers, let alone if an usher would actually have the audacity to rescind the season ticket of a Townie for swearing. I realize that the reason for the policy itself comes from university administration, but Athletics formulates the implementation. A clear and consistent message across all fans throughout both the rink and the season, including perhaps an announcement after puck drop reminding fans that the use of objectionable language or gestures results in ejection would serve athletics better than to criminalize the Lynah Faithful.

Swearing is not an integral part of Lynah, yet there are better, more effective methods to get rid of it, including a clear, concise, and consistent message to all fans at Lynah.

TimV
The "Harvard Sucks" thread has 335 posts since Dec 1 2003 - almost 5 years and 10 weeks. This thread has 215 posts in 2 weeks.

Chanting "bend over" while not watching Cornell set up a play in the other end...

amerks127
Swearing is not an integral part of Lynah, yet there are better, more effective methods to get rid of it, including a clear, concise, and consistent message to all fans at Lynah.

What are you proposing as an alternative? Randomly terrorizing kids in section B isn't fair and probably isn't effective, granted. How then do you appeal to the crowd?


It ought to be effective if somebody the crowd respected, to the degree that they respect anybody, would tell them they're being morons. ADs and coaches, including Schafer, have done that in the past, albeit there's something very depressing about having to remind a bunch of presumptive adults not to behave like middle schoolers.

This has been an issue since at least the early 80's, and it comes and goes in alternating waves of student idiocy and administrative persecution. Best to dial down the rabble, rabble, rabble on both sides. If a fan gets way out of line by insisting on standing in front of somebody, OK, then throw them out of the rink for that night -- they'll figure it out after one or two times. But as for profanity, that's much better handled by mass shaming. The person who can stand up to an entire section telling him (it is invariably a him) not to drop the f bomb is probably visibly drunk, and if they're drunk you can throw them out, too. The rest will fold when mature people give them the hairy eyeball.

i am a first year student at cornell, but have loved college hockey for a while

tonight a student sitting next to me was asked to leave for swearing (which i agree does not need to have a place in Lynah) however this was not b/c any usher had heard him swear but after Q took a penalty a lip reader saw him swear from across the rink

is this a joke?

Facts are wrong. The Athletics department has no lipreaders.

It was a mentalist who knew that he was thinking an obscenity.

Maybe the anaphoric society can pass out some bandannas for fans to cover their mouths. Hell, make them pink and then it's in line with the promotion in two weeks.

Chris '03
Maybe the anaphoric society can pass out some bandannas for fans to cover their mouths. Hell, make them pink and then it's in line with the promotion in two weeks.

You know Chris, if you could pull that one off for everyone in the student sections, that would be one of the funniest things ever done at Lynah. And, it would be one great big "gotcha" imposed on Lynah Gestapo.

redice

Chris '03
Maybe the anaphoric society can pass out some bandannas for fans to cover their mouths. Hell, make them pink and then it's in line with the promotion in two weeks.

You know Chris, if you could pull that one off for everyone in the student sections, that would be one of the funniest things ever done at Lynah. And, it would be one great big "gotcha" imposed on Lynah Gestapo.

Start passing the hat. They're $0.70 each in bulk. $700 gets you a thousand. You might be able to do better if you search for more than 10 seconds. [www.centurynovelty.com]

I'm in my fourth undergrad year of attending games, and every time they try to stop swearing, the only way of convincing us to stop is by threatening to kick us out. That makes it seems like the only reason to stop swearing is so they won't kick us out, whereas the people on this thread have presented some much more admirable reasons. If the email they sent to us said, "stop swearing because there are kids in the rink" instead of "stop swearing because we've got the pep band under the gun", I think the fans would respond a bit more respectfully. This isn't about the students who read this forum, it's about the hundreds who don't who haven't been given a reasoned argument to stop.

saff678
I'm in my fourth undergrad year of attending games, and every time they try to stop swearing, the only way of convincing us to stop is by threatening to kick us out. That makes it seems like the only reason to stop swearing is so they won't kick us out, whereas the people on this thread have presented some much more admirable reasons. If the email they sent to us said, "stop swearing because there are kids in the rink" instead of "stop swearing because we've got the pep band under the gun", I think the fans would respond a bit more respectfully. This isn't about the students who read this forum, it's about the hundreds who don't who haven't been given a reasoned argument to stop.

I think that's a good idea. It gives all parties (students and administration) a way to move forward constructively. Instead of citing kids, I'd mention consideration to those who find bawdy language offensive, young and old alike.

From the townie side of the rink, the language does sound "cleaner". I'm in row 10 and can hear above the glass. I can't hear "asshole" in the penalty chant, and Gary Glitter seems to be cleaned-up to. My compliments and thanks to the students.

Gah, nevermind.

pat
Gah, nevermind.

OK, we won't!

Jim Hyla

pat
Gah, nevermind.

OK, we won't!

Thanks!

RedWins11
tonight a student sitting next to me was asked to leave for swearing (which i agree does not need to have a place in Lynah) however this was not b/c any usher had heard him swear but after Q took a penalty a lip reader saw him swear from across the rink

is this a joke?

It's rather amusing while sitting in G to watch the ushers work the aisles during certain cheers/songs. Just once I'd like to see someone stare at an usher the way they stare at students while they are doing so.

I also want to find these apparently paid lip readers in the building. Are they using binoculars and walkie-talkies or something?

It would be pretty funny if everyone pointed at their respective ushers during "you suck" in RRP2... would badly-aimed index fingers lead to expulsion?

Yeah Matt Coates has no soul, he threw 2 kids out a minute or 2 before we stormed the court yesterday at Newman

jdonofrio
Yeah Matt Coates has no soul, he threw 2 kids out a minute or 2 before we stormed the court yesterday at Newman

...for doing what? Or doesn't that matter?

It doesnt matter what they doing, there is no reason to throw someone out 2 minutes before we storm the court.

jdonofrio
It doesnt matter what they doing, there is no reason to throw someone out 2 minutes before we storm the court.

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought.

Beeeej

jdonofrio
It doesnt matter what they doing, there is no reason to throw someone out 2 minutes before we storm the court.

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought.

If it's something you get a penalty for in the first period, you should get the same penalty late in the third period...

I would still be mighty angry

jdonofrio
It doesnt matter what they doing, there is no reason to throw someone out 2 minutes before we storm the court.

Um, uh... wrong. It kinda matters.

Trotsky

jdonofrio
It doesnt matter what they doing, there is no reason to throw someone out 2 minutes before we storm the court.

Um, uh... wrong. It kinda matters.

Yeah, now I know if I ever need to whack someone, I just wait until 2 minutes before Cornell clinches a championship.

One of my daily vices is reading advice columns along with the comics (hey, makes one's life look a bit better compared to those who write in). Anyways, a few weeks ago in the Ask Amy column there was a question from a babysitter who (with parents permission) took her charges to college hockey games and asked about what to tell the kids when they heard swearing.

A follow-up to that question appeared today (2nd letter) and Cornell hockey and hockey SID Brandon Thomas got a mention. If you don't know, Ask Amy grew up in Freeville and watching the Cornell teams of the late 60's and 70's.

Of course, since swearing at Lynah has been a topic of discussion, I thought I would put this out there.

Rita
One of my daily vices is reading advice columns along with the comics (hey, makes one's life look a bit better compared to those who write in). Anyways, a few weeks ago in the Ask Amy column there was a question from a babysitter who (with parents permission) took her charges to college hockey games and asked about what to tell the kids when they heard swearing.

A follow-up to that question appeared today (2nd letter) and Cornell hockey and hockey SID Brandon Thomas got a mention. If you don't know, Ask Amy grew up in Freeville and watching the Cornell teams of the late 60's and 70's.

Of course, since swearing at Lynah has been a topic of discussion, I thought I would put this out there.

My wife came with me to Red Hot Hockey. She recoiled at the idea of our kid going to a game because of the cursing. Maybe I'm in too deep to be objective.

ugarte
My wife came with me to Red Hot Hockey. She recoiled at the idea of our kid going to a game because of the cursing. Maybe I'm in too deep to be objective.

Ignoring my belief for a second that the act of hearing a word that someone, somewhere has deemed to be offensive does not cause heads to explode, I'll ask if you were able to pick any out in a crowd of 18,000.

RichH

ugarte
My wife came with me to Red Hot Hockey. She recoiled at the idea of our kid going to a game because of the cursing. Maybe I'm in too deep to be objective.

Ignoring my belief for a second that the act of hearing a word that someone, somewhere has deemed to be offensive does not cause heads to explode, I'll ask if you were able to pick any out in a crowd of 18,000.

I'm not talking about individual curses. We were in the 100s level surrounded by alumni. There was virtually none of that. The most offensive thing to come out of our section was some guy who looks and sounds a lot like me yelling "COVER THE FUCKING POINT" during a frustrated moment.

She was offended more about the resounding cries of "SUCKS" and "Drop Dead" and all of that. It isn't about heads exploding or anything like that anyway. It is about not wanting to be the parents of a 4 year old who tells grandma "traffic sucks." It is about, for me anyway, discretion and courtesy, not the desire to have jackboots as part of the standard usher uniform.

ugarte
She was offended more about the resounding cries of "SUCKS" and "Drop Dead" and all of that. It isn't about heads exploding or anything like that anyway. It is about not wanting to be the parents of a 4 year old who tells grandma "traffic sucks." It is about, for me anyway, discretion and courtesy, not the desire to have jackboots as part of the standard usher uniform.

To me that's not being offended by profanity but by selfishness, entitlement and rudeness. Which is fine, but you're gonna have to move your family out of the Northeast to avoid it.

Personally I'm offended by the lack of creativity of the constant "sucks" and "drop dead" cheers. Mothers don't let your children grow up to be boring.

Trotsky

ugarte
She was offended more about the resounding cries of "SUCKS" and "Drop Dead" and all of that. It isn't about heads exploding or anything like that anyway. It is about not wanting to be the parents of a 4 year old who tells grandma "traffic sucks." It is about, for me anyway, discretion and courtesy, not the desire to have jackboots as part of the standard usher uniform.

To me that's not being offended by profanity but by selfishness, entitlement and rudeness. Which is fine, but you're gonna have to move your family out of the Northeast to avoid it.

Personally I'm offended by the lack of creativity of the constant "sucks" and "drop dead" cheers. Mothers don't let your children grow up to be boring.

It's really hard to be creative and organized in a crowd that large. I think most of the fans went for organization with the simpler chants. While I openly admit the creativity at Lynah today doesn't approach its hey day, its still far better than what was witnessed at RHH.

ugarte


She was offended more about the resounding cries of "SUCKS" and "Drop Dead" and all of that.

When Electrolux first marketed its vacuum cleaners in this country, it's slogan was: "Nothing sucks like an Electrolux."

ugarte
She was offended more about the resounding cries of "SUCKS" and "Drop Dead" and all of that. It isn't about heads exploding or anything like that anyway. It is about not wanting to be the parents of a 4 year old who tells grandma "traffic sucks." It is about, for me anyway, discretion and courtesy, not the desire to have jackboots as part of the standard usher uniform.

I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression, let alone at a sporting event. Or at least at the thought of anyone close to my age being offended by that. Then again, I suppose I don't have small children so it's hard to relate.

css228
It's really hard to be creative and organized in a crowd that large. I think most of the fans went for organization with the simpler chants. While I openly admit the creativity at Lynah today doesn't approach its hey day, its still far better than what was witnessed at RHH.

I agree with you about MSG and this is not meant in any way as a knock on today's undergrad classes who I think are just as fierce and fun a fanbase as we've ever had.

The two most interesting things about Lynah are the DIY "open mic" Section A and B cheers (which are impossible in a larger arena) and the constant noise (not just for a significant play but cheering on every shift and not allowing any dead air -- the cheers that make visiting players look up at the crowd during stoppages as if to say "WTF is wrong with you people?!" ). These things seems to ebb and flow with different classes of undergrads -- right now it actually seems (from the streams anyway) much better at Lynah than during the early 00's, and MUCH better than during the early 90's when the place was really just another barn.

I don't believe in Golden Ages, but I do think the overgrowth of the monotonous cheers ("Bend Over" ) crowd out the opportunities for Kids Today to come up with their own new traditions. Let a hundred flowers blossom and all that.

KeithK

ugarte
She was offended more about the resounding cries of "SUCKS" and "Drop Dead" and all of that. It isn't about heads exploding or anything like that anyway. It is about not wanting to be the parents of a 4 year old who tells grandma "traffic sucks." It is about, for me anyway, discretion and courtesy, not the desire to have jackboots as part of the standard usher uniform.

I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression, let alone at a sporting event. Or at least at the thought of anyone close to my age being offended by that. Then again, I suppose I don't have small children so it's hard to relate.

The small child problem is they are really just drooling 3-second tapes on continuous loop, so after a game the parents hear nothing but x SUCKS, y SUCKS, z SUCKS, forever.

Which is why God invented the open palm slap.

KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

ugarte

KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Exactly: "sucks" is the censored/cleaned-up version of the phrase. What's the problem again?

Kyle Rose

ugarte

KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Exactly: "sucks" is the censored/cleaned-up version of the phrase. What's the problem again?

At least this puts the universe back in balance.

"Performs oral sex upon" is also a "cleaned up version" but since they all mean the same thing... they all mean the same thing.

Trotsky
I agree with you about MSG and this is not meant in any way as a knock on today's undergrad classes who I think are just as fierce and fun a fanbase as we've ever had.

I disagree. As someone who stands in the supporters' section for New York Red Bulls games -- where we sing & chant for the entire match -- I'm not impressed by the amount of noise we make or the amount of dead air there is during play.

I don't believe in Golden Ages, but I do think the overgrowth of the monotonous cheers ("Bend Over" ) crowd out the opportunities for Kids Today to come up with their own new traditions. Let a hundred flowers blossom and all that.

Unfortunately, this happens wherever there are structured cheers. It's the other side of the double-edged sword of tradition.

Trotsky

css228
It's really hard to be creative and organized in a crowd that large. I think most of the fans went for organization with the simpler chants. While I openly admit the creativity at Lynah today doesn't approach its hey day, its still far better than what was witnessed at RHH.

I agree with you about MSG and this is not meant in any way as a knock on today's undergrad classes who I think are just as fierce and fun a fanbase as we've ever had.

The two most interesting things about Lynah are the DIY "open mic" Section A and B cheers (which are impossible in a larger arena) and the constant noise (not just for a significant play but cheering on every shift and not allowing any dead air -- the cheers that make visiting players look up at the crowd during stoppages as if to say "WTF is wrong with you people?!" ). These things seems to ebb and flow with different classes of undergrads -- right now it actually seems (from the streams anyway) much better at Lynah than during the early 00's, and MUCH better than during the early 90's when the place was really just another barn.

I don't believe in Golden Ages, but I do think the overgrowth of the monotonous cheers ("Bend Over" ) crowd out the opportunities for Kids Today to come up with their own new traditions. Let a hundred flowers blossom and all that.

Agreed on the monotony of some cheers. There's a need for new player specific cheers. Hopefully that'll be rectified soon.

Ben
Unfortunately, this happens wherever there are structured cheers. It's the other side of the double-edged sword of tradition.

It can, but the engine of cheering will always be the student sections and they have the power to change it. It isn't like a professional sport (or Yale or Union) where the minute the tweens get hold of an LCD cheer everything else is obliterated.

We've always had structured cheers; they don't have to get out of hand. There was a time when "the ref fucked sheep" after every Cornell penalty. There's always a way back from the abyss.

css228
There's a need for new player specific cheers. Hopefully that'll be rectified soon.

There are certainly some awesome new guys to get behind!

Ben

Trotsky
I agree with you about MSG and this is not meant in any way as a knock on today's undergrad classes who I think are just as fierce and fun a fanbase as we've ever had.

I disagree. As someone who stands in the supporters' section for New York Red Bulls games -- where we sing & chant for the entire match -- I'm not impressed by the amount of noise we make or the amount of dead air there is during play.

And as someone who stood in Lynah from 1996-1998, I assert with only my recollection as evidence that the student section was a lot better back in my day. It certainly was a lot more imaginative: lots of individuals screaming funny things, and a lot of cheers created/imported during that period.

Remember when the remote control goalie chant was more than just "skate skate skate turn bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over"? I do.

[/walker][/lawn]

ugarte

Kyle Rose

ugarte

KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Exactly: "sucks" is the censored/cleaned-up version of the phrase. What's the problem again?

At least this puts the universe back in balance.

"Performs oral sex upon" is also a "cleaned up version" but since they all mean the same thing... they all mean the same thing.

By this logic, you should actually appreciate "sucks" because no young kid would know it came from "sucks dick": they'd already have to have knowledge of oral sex to make that connection.

Personally, I want to hear section B start up a "Harrrrr-vard... performs oral sex upon boys!" chant and see how that fares compared to "sucks" or "fuck 'em up" or even "the ref fucks sheep!"

Kyle Rose


Remember when the remote control goalie chant was more than just "skate skate skate turn bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over"? I do.

[/walker][/lawn]

Yes. And it's current incarnation makes me sad.

"skate, skate, tuuuuuuurn, stop, tap, sweeeeep, tap, tap, tap, drink, pose, bend over"

Chris '03

Kyle Rose


Remember when the remote control goalie chant was more than just "skate skate skate turn bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over"? I do.

[/walker][/lawn]

Yes. And it's current incarnation makes me sad.

"skate, skate, tuuuuuuurn, stop, tap, sweeeeep, tap, tap, tap, drink, pose, bend over"

There are people that try to actually mimic what he's doing, especially the band, but it just doesn't seem to catch on with most people. Maybe the best remedy is to use sparingly.

css228

Chris '03

Kyle Rose


Remember when the remote control goalie chant was more than just "skate skate skate turn bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over"? I do.

[/walker][/lawn]

Yes. And it's current incarnation makes me sad.

"skate, skate, tuuuuuuurn, stop, tap, sweeeeep, tap, tap, tap, drink, pose, bend over"

There are people that try to actually mimic what he's doing, especially the band, but it just doesn't seem to catch on with most people. Maybe the best remedy is to use sparingly.

That's really the issue. Somewhere in the past 5 or so years it went from mimicking to unimaginatively directing and lost a lot of its fun and power.

Kyle Rose

ugarte

Kyle Rose

ugarte

KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Exactly: "sucks" is the censored/cleaned-up version of the phrase. What's the problem again?

At least this puts the universe back in balance.

"Performs oral sex upon" is also a "cleaned up version" but since they all mean the same thing... they all mean the same thing.

By this logic, you should actually appreciate "sucks" because no young kid would know it came from "sucks dick": they'd already have to have knowledge of oral sex to make that connection.

Personally, I want to hear section B start up a "Harrrrr-vard... performs oral sex upon boys!" chant and see how that fares compared to "sucks" or "fuck 'em up" or even "the ref fucks sheep!"

Save that one for when we play PSU.

What, too soon?

(Thank goodness there's no "-1" button any more!)

Sorry guys, I don't buy it.

I've been hearing the "everyone just repeats the same cheers" song since I was a freshman (I'm class of '08).

Unless you're standing in A, you can't HEAR the good stuff. The sieve can. That's what matters.

We (in A) were pretty darn good from '05-'08. I'm sure a lot of the perception people on ElF have is because they're used to standing in A/B, and now are trying to hear for the same awesome stuff they remember but from much farther away, or in fewer games.

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KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio. I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

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KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Exactly: "sucks" is the censored/cleaned-up version of the phrase. What's the problem again?

At least this puts the universe back in balance.

"Performs oral sex upon" is also a "cleaned up version" but since they all mean the same thing... they all mean the same thing.

By this logic, you should actually appreciate "sucks" because no young kid would know it came from "sucks dick": they'd already have to have knowledge of oral sex to make that connection.

Personally, I want to hear section B start up a "Harrrrr-vard... performs oral sex upon boys!" chant and see how that fares compared to "sucks" or "fuck 'em up" or even "the ref fucks sheep!"

Save that one for when we play PSU.

What, too soon?

I would say so, but that'd that'd be hypocritical of me having jokingly suggested chanting "Pedo State" when they come...

BMac
Sorry guys, I don't buy it.

I've been hearing the "everyone just repeats the same cheers" song since I was a freshman (I'm class of '08).

Unless you're standing in A, you can't HEAR the good stuff. The sieve can. That's what matters.

We (in A) were pretty darn good from '05-'08. I'm sure a lot of the perception people on ElF have is because they're used to standing in A/B, and now are trying to hear for the same awesome stuff they remember but from much farther away, or in fewer games.

A/B is good (Still sitting in A this year) but there just hasn't been that much addition to the tradition. I love our traditional chants, and my friends and I go to pains to make sure some of the better ones are used (spelling the goalies name, black hole), but the problem isn't the intensity or even the individual in game cheers. We've had some great one's this year. Don't remember what team Campbell played for, but the "Chicken Noodle" chant was great. The problem to me seems to be that people just aren't adding to the traditions. I think that's all people are saying. That we should make our own Lynah Faithful legacy rather than relying on the every game chants that have already been there. We need our own Stephen Bâby chant for this era of Cornell Hockey.

RichH

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KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio. I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

If it's used on network tv between 7 and 9 on a friday or saturday night, it should be fair game at a hockey game played on friday or saturday night between 7 and 9 without any question whatsoever and no one should expect "better" language at the game.

RichH
Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio.

So it would be completely the same thing to chant "sucks!" at women's games, right?

Right?

Uh huh, I thought not.

I love you dearly, Rich, but that dog don't hunt.

RichH

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KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio. I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

Exactly. It doesn't have a sexual connotation anymore. It's become a generic negative comment. Words change their meanings over time in colloquial use. Which is why I wrote "close to my age".

Trotsky

RichH
Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio.

So it would be completely the same thing to chant "sucks!" at women's games, right?

Right?

Uh huh, I thought not.

I love you dearly, Rich, but that dog don't hunt.

I'm not really a fan of the high-handedness, so why don't you let me answer your question?

Truth be told: To me, personally, it is the same thing. In my not-so-illustrious history, I *have* chanted "sucks!" at women's games. It wasn't until after friends tackled me (or some similar action) that it even occurred to me that it could be misinterpreted to the filthy-old-man definition. To me, "sucks" = "stinks" = "word expressing a generic bad quality." That's it. That doesn't mean that I still would chant "Sucks!" at a women's game now that I realize people read more depravity into it than I do, the same way that I wouldn't scream "How is that a fucking dive, you asshat ref?" in front of ugarte's kid. The reason I wouldn't isn't because I think the words themselves are offensive (I don't think they are without intent), but because I don't want others to be upset with me. I try to be respectful to my fellow humans, even if their sensitivities are calibrated to a different scale than mine. When it's clear that I've crossed a line with someone, I try to apologize where possible. And I'm certainly not going to tell people how to raise their kids. I'll just wage this crusade on internet message boards and hope society comes around to the fact that a 7 year-old hearing the word "fuck" isn't going to turn him into a homicidal rapist.

I've thought about this a lot over the years. Words themselves do not offend me...hate speech does. What's the difference? Intent. If I say "Why are you going to see that Amy Grant concert, Greg? She sucks," or "Natalie Portman may have won best actress for Black Swan, but she sucked in Episode II," do you really think I mean there's pornography going on? I certainly hope not. I'm willing to bet that you've made similar statements about certain artists. Intent, not content, means everything to my inoffensive/offensive needle. Now who's the arbiter of "intent?" I don't know, probably the same people who decided at some point that "doo-doo" is socially acceptable and "shit" is not. Dang vs. damn, "WTF" vs. "What the Fuck," "MILF" vs. well, you know. That's the point...everybody already knows what it means! Why bother masking? There's a sign on a theater in my neighborhood that advertises a show, "The Motherf#cker With the Hat." Is that one character substitution the only thing propping our society up instead of collapsing into a sea of debauchery and lawlessness? I know what it reads. KIDS know what it reads. Everybody knows what it reads. Why pretend to have some sort of moral barrier there?

Obvious caveat, there are quite a few words that have hate-speech intent built-in. N-word, C-word, and most slurs about groups of people/nationalities/religions/orientations for example. But the shit/fuck/ass trinity? Meaningless without intent.

Suck it.

RichH

Obvious caveat, there are quite a few words that have hate-speech intent built-in. N-word, C-word, and most slurs about groups of people/nationalities/religions/orientations for example.

Like Fighting Sioux?

From a student who stood in A/B from 2008-2011 I'd have to agree. There are still many creative cheers and most are hilarious. Also, the remote control goalie cheers that I've heard do still mimic his motions. From where I was standing people still yell Skate, Turn, Drink, Tab, Stop, and Bend Over. Certainly the end refrain can get dragged out, especially if Cornell is going on the PK or there is a faceoff in our zone. So I'd say the problem is more with discretion than with the actual cheers. Additionally, the "Bâby" cheer has (or at least they've tried) been adapted. I cannot say that I ever was able to watch Stephen Bâby play, so I'm not sure if the comparison is accurate but in my time at Lynah the cheer was directed at both Tyler Mugford and Dan Nicholls. Again, this was not every student so it may not have been audible on the other side of the ice. The atmosphere may not be what it once was, but I think it says something about how important the Lynah Faithful still are that Ben Scrivens always gave us a lot of credit and thanks.

KeithK

RichH

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KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio. I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

Exactly. It doesn't have a sexual connotation anymore. It's become a generic negative comment. Words change their meanings over time in colloquial use. Which is why I wrote "close to my age".

You know, just like "fag" isn't homophobic anymore, it is just a generic word for "dumb" or "lame".

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KeithK

RichH

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KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio. I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

Exactly. It doesn't have a sexual connotation anymore. It's become a generic negative comment. Words change their meanings over time in colloquial use. Which is why I wrote "close to my age".

You know, just like "fag" isn't homophobic anymore, it is just a generic word for "dumb" or "lame".

Or "cigarette."

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RichH

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KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio. I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

Exactly. It doesn't have a sexual connotation anymore. It's become a generic negative comment. Words change their meanings over time in colloquial use. Which is why I wrote "close to my age".

You know, just like "fag" isn't homophobic anymore, it is just a generic word for "dumb" or "lame".

As an old fart, I was less disturbed by the occasional "sucks" than by the invective from a few spectators in the row behind mine. We suffered what felt like a constant stream of "Faggot!" "Homo!" and "Fucking douche bag!" directed at various BU players. I had my wife and two daughters with me. The younger daughter is Class of '06 and spent some time at Lynah as an undergrad, but it still bothers me.

David Harding

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KeithK
I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio. I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

Exactly. It doesn't have a sexual connotation anymore. It's become a generic negative comment. Words change their meanings over time in colloquial use. Which is why I wrote "close to my age".

You know, just like "fag" isn't homophobic anymore, it is just a generic word for "dumb" or "lame".

As an old fart, I was less disturbed by the occasional "sucks" than by the invective from a few spectators in the row behind mine. We suffered what felt like a constant stream of "Faggot!" "Homo!" and "Fucking douche bag!" directed at various BU players. I had my wife and two daughters with me. The younger daughter is Class of '06 and spent some time at Lynah as an undergrad, but it still bothers me.

It would bother me, and I don't have any kids (that I know of). I have memories of being in the Big Red Pep Band playing at Union, and having several meathead Union fans saying things like "Red and White make pink, fags" and "you're gay" crap for a whole period. I always thought all of our fans were above that, but I know that's too much to expect.

I had never heard of "ducks" being short for "sucks dick" before I read this thread. Honestly. And I still won't normally make that association.

For me, the line is racism, sexism, and homophobia (or other forms of discrimination). Everything else should be fair game.

snert1288
Additionally, the "Bâby" cheer has (or at least they've tried) been adapted. I cannot say that I ever was able to watch Stephen Bâby play, so I'm not sure if the comparison is accurate but in my time at Lynah the cheer was directed at both Tyler Mugford and Dan Nicholls.

Which is a bit silly, since "Hey Bâby" makes sense as a play on the original title of the song, but "Hey Mugford" doesn't. It's sort of like when the "¡Olé!" at the end of the bullfighting music went from "Auger!" (natural) to "McRae!-s" (a stretch) to "Abbott!-s" (just silly).

I think the point is that someone should make up a new cheer that makes sense with one of the current players' names.

jtwcornell91

snert1288
Additionally, the "Bâby" cheer has (or at least they've tried) been adapted. I cannot say that I ever was able to watch Stephen Bâby play, so I'm not sure if the comparison is accurate but in my time at Lynah the cheer was directed at both Tyler Mugford and Dan Nicholls.

Which is a bit silly, since "Hey Bâby" makes sense as a play on the original title of the song, but "Hey Mugford" doesn't. It's sort of like when the "¡Olé!" at the end of the bullfighting music went from "Auger!" (natural) to "McRae!-s" (a stretch) to "Abbott!-s" (just silly).

I think the point is that someone should make up a new cheer that makes sense with one of the current players' names.

I kind of disagree with you there John. I think taking an existing cheer and adapting it to new players is cool. Yes, the original "Hey Bâby" thing was a play on the song title. "Hey Mugford" is a play on a play on the song title. Oh, it might be silly if thirty years from now we're singing "Hey Jones" and no one can even recall that there was a player named Bâby back in the day. But this kind of evolving cheer can be fun.

It's great when you can come up with a new (original) cheer for each new group of players. But that doesn't alwa happen.

snert1288
From a student who stood in A/B from 2008-2011 I'd have to agree. There are still many creative cheers and most are hilarious. Also, the remote control goalie cheers that I've heard do still mimic his motions. From where I was standing people still yell Skate, Turn, Drink, Tab, Stop, and Bend Over. Certainly the end refrain can get dragged out, especially if Cornell is going on the PK or there is a faceoff in our zone. So I'd say the problem is more with discretion than with the actual cheers. Additionally, the "Bâby" cheer has (or at least they've tried) been adapted. I cannot say that I ever was able to watch Stephen Bâby play, so I'm not sure if the comparison is accurate but in my time at Lynah the cheer was directed at both Tyler Mugford and Dan Nicholls. Again, this was not every student so it may not have been audible on the other side of the ice. The atmosphere may not be what it once was, but I think it says something about how important the Lynah Faithful still are that Ben Scrivens always gave us a lot of credit and thanks.

Having been there up to '04, when the "Bend over" part was starting to ramp up, I too recall that the usual remote control part was still there as long as the goalie was doing something (skating, drinking sweeping, etc). The "bend over" part only really started when the goalie wasn't just standing there not doing too much, and frankly when you got a couple thousand people yelling "band over" in unison for a minute straight, it was pretty damn funny and awesome. I can't say what it's like now, and if people jump to the bend over part too quickly; or if they don't get it in unison because kids today seem to want to speed every cheer immediately (there's my old guy rant, but seriously "DE-FENSE" at football and basketball works better if you can keep it up at constant rhythm for a couple minutes, not if it ends after 15 because people are in a speed yelling contest with each other).

Inspired largely by hockey chants, I have introduced our surgery residents to "The Paradox of the Surgical Suction:"

"When the suction doesn't suck, it sucks. And when the suction DOES suck, it doesn't."

Trotsky

ugarte
She was offended more about the resounding cries of "SUCKS" and "Drop Dead" and all of that. It isn't about heads exploding or anything like that anyway. It is about not wanting to be the parents of a 4 year old who tells grandma "traffic sucks." It is about, for me anyway, discretion and courtesy, not the desire to have jackboots as part of the standard usher uniform.

To me that's not being offended by profanity but by selfishness, entitlement and rudeness. Which is fine, but you're gonna have to move your family out of the Northeast to avoid it.

Personally I'm offended by the lack of creativity of the constant "sucks" and "drop dead" cheers. Mothers don't let your children grow up to be boring.

Clue 23 down in today's NYT crossword: "You suck!" Answer: BOO