Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by Larry72
Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Larry72 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 16, 2009 10:27PM
OK...I'll start. Watching on TV from frozen Ithaca!
The good:
- Powerplay is really coming along. Both units moving the puck well. 2 for 4 is not bad!!
- 5x5 play is solid. All lines contributing. Hard to match lines on the road, but everyone did their jobs.
- Blocking shots both 5x5 and on the PK. Everyone does it.
- Scrivens! Probably only 5 or 6 scoring chances by Onion. He's managing his concentration for 60 minutes - much better than last year!
The not so good:
- CU is taking too many penalties - some of the dumb variety.
- Defensive zone turnovers - more than Schafer would like to see. Not as many in the neutral zone which is good.
- Still need to finish and drive the net. Nice goal by Collins by doing just that!
The weird:
- Barlow falling down on a Union delayed penalty and then having to hustle back to deflect the puck away from our empty net. Haven't seen that happen too many times! Maybe the team shouldn't be watching O'Byrne replays on YouTube!
The good:
- Powerplay is really coming along. Both units moving the puck well. 2 for 4 is not bad!!
- 5x5 play is solid. All lines contributing. Hard to match lines on the road, but everyone did their jobs.
- Blocking shots both 5x5 and on the PK. Everyone does it.
- Scrivens! Probably only 5 or 6 scoring chances by Onion. He's managing his concentration for 60 minutes - much better than last year!
The not so good:
- CU is taking too many penalties - some of the dumb variety.
- Defensive zone turnovers - more than Schafer would like to see. Not as many in the neutral zone which is good.
- Still need to finish and drive the net. Nice goal by Collins by doing just that!
The weird:
- Barlow falling down on a Union delayed penalty and then having to hustle back to deflect the puck away from our empty net. Haven't seen that happen too many times! Maybe the team shouldn't be watching O'Byrne replays on YouTube!
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 16, 2009 10:35PM
Larry72
- Scrivens! Probably only 5 or 6 scoring chances by Onion. He's managing his concentration for 60 minutes - much better than last year!
...and yet Union managed to get 29 shots off on him, so his save % and his GAA improved tonight.
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Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: dragonfan (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 16, 2009 11:07PM
Great game from the start by "The General Riley Nash",he is just so great with the puck,makes it look so simple,like he is in slow motion.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 16, 2009 11:29PM
Cornell continues with its best record after 16 games in the Schafer era:
Best records in games 17-32 in the Schafer era:
.844 2009 12-1-3 .813 2003 13-3-0 .750 2006 11-3-2
Best records in games 17-32 in the Schafer era:
.969 2005 15-0-1 .906 2003 14-1-1 .906 2002 14-1-1
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 12:45AM
I don't have a source, but I remember hearing once that in the NCAA, unlike in the pros, a goal would not be awarded in that situation. Anyone know for sure whether that's the case?Larry72
The weird:
- Barlow falling down on a Union delayed penalty and then having to hustle back to deflect the puck away from our empty net. Haven't seen that happen too many times! Maybe the team shouldn't be watching O'Byrne replays on YouTube!
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: sah67 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 01:01AM
Josh '99
I don't have a source, but I remember hearing once that in the NCAA, unlike in the pros, a goal would not be awarded in that situation. Anyone know for sure whether that's the case?
Not the case...I know for sure of at least two situations in ECAC play where a team scored an "own goal" after accidentally knocking the puck into their own empty net on a DP. I think one involved Union and 'Gate perhaps in the last 2 years? I can't remember the specifics of the other example, but it definitely counts as a goal if it goes in, hence Barlow's mad dash to knock it away.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2009 01:02AM by sah67.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: grizzdan24 (99.20.251.---)
Date: January 17, 2009 01:04AM
Josh '99
I don't have a source, but I remember hearing once that in the NCAA, unlike in the pros, a goal would not be awarded in that situation. Anyone know for sure whether that's the case?
As I recall a goal would be awarded in this case tonight where Cornell was last to touch it. However, if the puck would have been deflected (even inadvertently) by a player of the penalized team then the goal would not count.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: daredevilcu (---.dsl1.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 01:54AM
I actually saw this happen either last year or two years ago at Cheel. Delayed penalty on Clarkson, Union pulled their goalie. D'Alvise was forechecking a Union defender, the defender lost control and bam, ENG midway through the first period.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: seth (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 02:22AM
Barlow's save made the top 10 plays on Sportscenter tonight!
However, it looked like Seminoff missed the backpass, then Barlow hustled to get back after he fell down. Great effort on his part.
However, it looked like Seminoff missed the backpass, then Barlow hustled to get back after he fell down. Great effort on his part.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: jy3 (---.kaleidahealth.org)
Date: January 17, 2009 07:55AM
seth
Barlow's save made the top 10 plays on Sportscenter tonight!
However, it looked like Seminoff missed the backpass, then Barlow hustled to get back after he fell down. Great effort on his part.
i was just going to post this.
lgr!
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Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Cornell11 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 08:14AM
that was definitely a thrill to watch.... "stick save and a beauty"
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 09:29AM
jy3seth
Barlow's save made the top 10 plays on Sportscenter tonight!
However, it looked like Seminoff missed the backpass, then Barlow hustled to get back after he fell down. Great effort on his part.
i was just going to post this.
lgr!
Is there a link for this?
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: oceanst41 (---.client.mchsi.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 10:35AM
Larry72
The not so good:
- CU is taking too many penalties - some of the dumb variety.
- Defensive zone turnovers - more than Schafer would like to see. Not as many in the neutral zone which is good.
- Still need to finish and drive the net. Nice goal by Collins by doing just that!
Dumb and lazy. It's one thing to be a physical team that takes a lot of roughing, charging, et al. penalties, but hooking, holding, tripping just means you are out of position or aren't moving your feet and you are reaching. That will come back to bite them in one of these games where they are hanging on by a goal sooner or later, so this is a habit I'd like to see them break.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Jordan 04 (---.host.starwoodhotels.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 10:41AM
Just saw Barlow's save on the top 10 this morning.
Incredible effort!
Incredible effort!
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Rita (---.hsd1.in.comcast.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 11:04AM
Jordan 04
Just saw Barlow's save on the top 10 this morning.
Incredible effort!
I was quite shocked last night to see that the play made SportCenter's top ten.
A lot of their "hockey highlights" tend to be like the one shown two plays before Barlow's... fights. Apparently a fight involving a team with Chiefs as a nickname qualifies it for TopTen consideration.
Not that I'm against fighting in hockey (it has its place), but there are enough awesome goals and saves and then a few exceptional things that you only see once a season (i.e. Barlow's play) that should be in the highlight clips.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: KP '06 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 11:06AM
oceanst41Larry72
The not so good:
- CU is taking too many penalties - some of the dumb variety.
- Defensive zone turnovers - more than Schafer would like to see. Not as many in the neutral zone which is good.
- Still need to finish and drive the net. Nice goal by Collins by doing just that!
Dumb and lazy. It's one thing to be a physical team that takes a lot of roughing, charging, et al. penalties, but hooking, holding, tripping just means you are out of position or aren't moving your feet and you are reaching. That will come back to bite them in one of these games where they are hanging on by a goal sooner or later, so this is a habit I'd like to see them break.
I was shocked when the announcers said we're the 5th least penalized team (or something like that) in the country. It seems like we're always taking bad penalties this year.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 11:24AM
KP '06
I was shocked when the announcers said we're the 5th least penalized team (or something like that) in the country. It seems like we're always taking bad penalties this year.
Although I haven't looked at the figures to back this up, I'm guessing we've also played the fewest (or near the fewest) games. So if they're looking at total penalty minutes, and we've played, say, 3-8 fewer games than many of the teams, it's not really a fair comparison. If they were looking at penalty minutes per game, my point is moot.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 11:32AM
KP '06
I was shocked when the announcers said we're the 5th least penalized team (or something like that) in the country. It seems like we're always taking bad penalties this year.
Everyone else takes more dumb penalties:
Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G 1 Rensselaer 22 475 21.6 2 Yale 16 304 19.0 3 Harvard 18 316 17.6 4 Quinnipiac 21 365 17.4 5 Clarkson 21 358 17.0 6 St. Lawrence 21 354 16.9 7 Colgate 21 346 16.5 8 Union 21 342 16.3 9 Brown 16 258 16.1 10 Dartmouth 16 217 13.6 11 Cornell 16 201 12.6 12 Princeton 18 173 9.6 1 Northeastern 21 398 19.0 2 Boston University 21 394 18.8 3 New Hampshire 20 370 18.5 4 Boston College 19 319 16.8 5 Merrimack 20 328 16.4 6 Maine 21 301 14.3 7 Vermont 20 283 14.2 8 Massachusetts 21 286 13.6 9 UMass Lowell 20 271 13.6 10 Providence 19 215 11.3 Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G 1 Ferris State 25 586 23.4 2 Michigan 23 459 20.0 3 Miami 23 445 19.3 4 Ohio State 23 415 18.0 5 Bowling Green 23 399 17.3 6 Western Michigan 23 391 17.0 7 Notre Dame 24 378 15.8 8 Michigan State 23 353 15.3 9 Nebraska-Omaha 24 343 14.3 10 Lake Superior 23 322 14.0 11 Northern Michigan 22 298 13.5 12 Alaska 23 269 11.7 Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G 1 Wisconsin 25 501 20.0 2 Minnesota State 24 463 19.3 3 Minnesota 21 403 19.2 4 Alaska Anchorage 19 363 19.1 5 Minnesota Duluth 23 427 18.6 6 North Dakota 25 458 18.3 7 St. Cloud State 23 372 16.2 8 Denver 23 360 15.7 9 Colorado College 25 381 15.2 10 Michigan Tech 25 358 14.3 Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G 1 Mercyhurst 22 435 19.8 2 RIT 23 422 18.3 3 Sacred Heart 21 359 17.1 4 Air Force 21 347 16.5 5 Connecticut 22 359 16.3 6 Bentley 21 325 15.5 7 Canisius 20 286 14.3 8 Holy Cross 21 264 12.6 9 American Int'l 22 262 11.9 10 Army 20 211 10.6 Penalty Minutes: Games PIM PIM/G 1 Alab-Huntsville 17 288 16.9 2 Bemidji State 19 311 16.4 3 Robert Morris 19 259 13.6 4 Niagara 19 246 12.9
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2009 11:33AM by Chris '03.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 11:39AM
Cornell has averaged 12.6 penalty minutes per game. Five Division I teams average fewer. Holy Cross also has 12.6.andyw2100KP '06
I was shocked when the announcers said we're the 5th least penalized team (or something like that) in the country. It seems like we're always taking bad penalties this year.
Although I haven't looked at the figures to back this up, I'm guessing we've also played the fewest (or near the fewest) games. So if they're looking at total penalty minutes, and we've played, say, 3-8 fewer games than many of the teams, it's not really a fair comparison. If they were looking at penalty minutes per game, my point is moot.
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Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: RichH (---.tvc-ip.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 11:54AM
Rita
A lot of their "hockey highlights" tend to be like the one shown two plays before Barlow's... fights. Apparently a fight involving a team with Chiefs as a nickname qualifies it for TopTen consideration.
Not that I'm against fighting in hockey (it has its place), but there are enough awesome goals and saves and then a few exceptional things that you only see once a season (i.e. Barlow's play) that should be in the highlight clips.
Since ESPN declined to re-sign a broadcasting deal with the NHL (post work-stoppage), that network has been shoving the sports that they do broadcast (basketball and football) down our throats. I get my daily sports news from PTI, and even that has turned into the all-basketball show, thanks to Wilbon. The only time hockey gets mentioned is when something outrageous happens, like the Sean Avery "sloppy seconds" nonsense. If someone on a talking head show mentions hockey, it's usually accompanied with the same snide "oh, is that still a sport? Nobody likes that! What network broadcasts that...I can't find it on my tv...har har har" jokes.
ESPN worked hard to gobble up competitors and have a near monopoly. Now they can pretty much dictate what the American sports fan likes.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: jy3 (---.kaleidahealth.org)
Date: January 17, 2009 12:01PM
not sure if it is on the website. best bet is to watch sports center todayCornell11
that was definitely a thrill to watch.... "stick save and a beauty"
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Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 05:00PM
It does feel like it, although the numbers suggest otherwise. Maybe they're taking penalties at clutch times. At least the kill has been great, and they have a very good net goal differential on special teams.KP '06
It seems like we're always taking bad penalties this year.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2009 05:01PM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 05:22PM
If ESPN has a monopoly, it's only short term. IPTV (TV over the Internet) already is popular in Europe in standard-definition and eventually it'll be HD. It isn't just phones where Europe is way ahead; the same applies to broadband speeds.
So by the time we got ESPN branded a monopoly and did something about it, the market will -- probably -- take care of ESPN.
What's scary to me is NFL-TV. When the NFL packages the announcers along with the shows, seldom will be heard a discouraging word.
... but, yeah, it sucks that you can't get Cornell hockey or a good college hockey package on any system - Comcast, TimeWarner, DirectTV, whatever.
So by the time we got ESPN branded a monopoly and did something about it, the market will -- probably -- take care of ESPN.
What's scary to me is NFL-TV. When the NFL packages the announcers along with the shows, seldom will be heard a discouraging word.
... but, yeah, it sucks that you can't get Cornell hockey or a good college hockey package on any system - Comcast, TimeWarner, DirectTV, whatever.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 17, 2009 08:37PM
TrotskyIt does feel like it, although the numbers suggest otherwise. Maybe they're taking penalties at clutch times. At least the kill has been great, and they have a very good net goal differential on special teams.KP '06
It seems like we're always taking bad penalties this year.
When you're playing a lot of one-goal games they're all clutch times.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: daredevilcu (---.dsl1.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net)
Date: January 17, 2009 08:55PM
Just some info for you NHL fans -- there are a ton of full hockey games online for free at hulu.com. It may take a few days to get them on the site, but there are plenty there and if you missed your favorite team playing on one of hulu's partner networks, it will likely be up there at some point in full with limited commercials.
Re: Cornell 4 Union 1 Postgame
Posted by: CowbellGuy (Moderator)
Date: January 19, 2009 10:54AM
Also, some neat, full older games at:
[video.google.com]
And the NHL YouTube channel with lots of highlights and stuff:
[www.youtube.com]
[video.google.com]
And the NHL YouTube channel with lots of highlights and stuff:
[www.youtube.com]
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