Cornell 3 North Dakota 7

Key Players: Junior F Colin Greening (2-3-5), Sophomore F Riley Nash (2-1-3), Sophomore D Jordan Berk (1-1-2), Junior G Ben Scrivens (4-0-2, 0.81 GAA, .971 SV, 2 SO)

DeltaOne81
That was one of the prettier Cornell goals I've seen in a while.

jy3
hmm any1 know what package gets u nhlhd on direct tv? dtv cant tell me...

and lgr!

ebilmes
Shots 13-11 CU in the first.

Team looks decent for a road game on the big ice.

ebilmes
Devin seemed to be at fault for the first goal, just let the NoDak player skate past him and get off a good shot next to the goal.

Rita
Am I the only one who thinks of our small, speedy, passing centers (Kyle Knopp, Ryan Smart and of course Topher)? We have had lots of physical players and a few "big" guys, but describing the all of the forwards as "big", just caught me off guard.

Omie
Great period. We just need Scrivens to step it up a little bit more and we could have a solid chance.

Cornell11
Scrivens has laid eggs in some of our highest-profile matchups.

Rita

DeltaOne81
That was one of the prettier Cornell goals I've seen in a while.

Ditto. Greening's goal was sweeeeeeet. Riley Nash did a great job hanging on to the puck and getting the pass to Barlow. Wow his arms are long.

Trotsky
Cornell pp coming up.

Trotsky
Well, Cornell just had a nice stretch of play and is going on pp. LGR!

CM cWo 44
Another softie... Garman in

Omie
Scrivens can be great at times but he simply should not be allowed to play on Thanksgiving break.

Omie
Scrivens can be great at times but he simply should not be allowed to play on Thanksgiving break.

Cornell11
absolutely pathetic performance by scrivens

Trotsky
I don't have video and so don't know if they were softies, but it would be nice if I hadn't heard Jason mention giveaways right in front of the CU net by every Cornell defenseman tonight.

Omie
Deja vu?

Cornell loosing 6-3 against struggling team on a nationally televised game.

Rita
$120 (6 x $20) in gift certificates have been given away to help stimulate the economy in Grand Forks.

Trotsky

Rita
$120 (6 x $20) $140 in gift certificates have been given away to help stimulate the economy in Grand Forks.

Don't laugh. That's half their GSP.

CM cWo 44
Can't wait for the NoDak pregame show tomorrow to hear about how they struggle scoring goals and are facing the premier defensive team in college hockey.

Omie
Deja vu?

Cornell loosing 6-3 against struggling team on a nationally televised game.

Goon
I would say that UND is probably not as bad as their record.

Kyle Rose

Goon
I would say that UND is probably not as bad as their record.

I will repeat my comments stretching back for years re: the ECAC. Why this loyalty among Cornell fans to a mediocre conference? Vermont had the right idea, and it's high time the few teams in the ECAC with a prayer of being nationally-competitive bolt for greener pastures, or at least slash the in-conference schedule to get more games against real teams. I mean, it's nice to beat up on the kiddies year-in and year-out, but where's the sport in it?

Jim Hyla
So, you think that if we just jump into Hockey East we are suddenly going to be able to compete with all the scholarship schools? I don't know where that comes from.

No, our best hope is to stay in a conference that at least has some of the ideals that we have; then we can compete and, as I've said before, we can be in the NCAAs often enough that we can hope.

Glory years are over,

Kyle Rose

Jim Hyla
So, you think that if we just jump into Hockey East we are suddenly going to be able to compete with all the scholarship schools? I don't know where that comes from.

At this point, I think the competition gap is a bigger one than the talent gap. When a skilled team plays scrubs all the time, it's going to become very good at beating scrubs.[/q]But we've not been very good at it, lately.

[q]No, our best hope is to stay in a conference that at least has some of the ideals that we have; then we can compete and, as I've said before, we can be in the NCAAs often enough that we can hope.

...and so that Cornell hockey can eventually be as irrelevant as Cornell football. Yaay! Sign me up! (Even if Cornell were to be the undisputed Ivy football champ for 10 years in a row, I still wouldn't give a shit.)

FWIW, I haven't seen the competition in the ECAC actually get worse over the past several years, but it isn't improving, either (overall: let's see if Princeton will continue its winning ways). Eventually, that will take its toll. Once the ECAC truly becomes a second-tier conference, those of you who love Ivy League football can finally have your hockey equivalent.[/q] So you still haven't addressed how we'll compete with scholarship schools. We may have trouble with H,Y, & P with their tuition policies.

[q]Glory years are over,

Bull. Cornell has gotten past the first round of the NCAA tournament four times in the past decade, and gotten to the Frozen Four once, with another 2nd round loss in 2006 that could just as easily (well, maybe the wrong word for such an epic game) have been a win.

You may have given up hope, but I haven't: college hockey is never going to be the huge business that college football and basketball are. That, if nothing else, will keep non-scholarship schools committed to their hockey programs nationally competitive until they (are forced to) stop charging tuition entirely. That day is really less than two decades off, so don't abandon all hope yet.

Kyle

Jim Hyla
So CU is eventually going to stop charging tuition?

Kyle Rose

Jim Hyla
So CU is eventually going to stop charging tuition?

It's going to have to: the schools you mentioned (among others) will eventually stop charging tuition, and Cornell is going to have to do the same to have a prayer of competing for top students and student athletes. I'm not sure how they're going to do it, given how badly out-of-favor Cornell's financial numbers are compared to the other Ivy League schools... but I trust they'll figure something out.

Jim Hyla
So, you think that if we just jump into Hockey East we are suddenly going to be able to compete with all the scholarship schools? I don't know where that comes from. As hockey ,and pretty soon lacrosse, becomes more national, the scholarship schools will start draining off more and more talent. That leaves us with less and less. This happened with football, then basketball, baseball, and more and more woman's sports. Syracuse just started women's hockey and took SLU's coach. Watch and see what happens to those two programs over the next 10 years.

No, our best hope is to stay in a conference that at least has some of the ideals that we have; then we can compete and, as I've said before, we can be in the NCAAs often enough that we can hope. Glory years are over, and jumping conferences won't make the difference.

Trotsky

Jim Hyla
So, you think that if we just jump into Hockey East we are suddenly going to be able to compete with all the scholarship schools? I don't know where that comes from. As hockey ,and pretty soon lacrosse, becomes more national, the scholarship schools will start draining off more and more talent. That leaves us with less and less. This happened with football, then basketball, baseball, and more and more woman's sports. Syracuse just started women's hockey and took SLU's coach. Watch and see what happens to those two programs over the next 10 years.

No, our best hope is to stay in a conference that at least has some of the ideals that we have; then we can compete and, as I've said before, we can be in the NCAAs often enough that we can hope. Glory years are over, and jumping conferences won't make the difference.

Or the Ivies could rethink their scholarship model, and that's already happening.


The Ivy League, and most of us who went through it, are still caught worshiping the 19th Century ideal of the "gentleman athlete." Its genesis wasn't even particularly related to a preference for academics over athletics -- it was just a bar to the Great Unwashed.

As has been said, all of the Ivies will eventually have to eliminate the financial burden on low and even middle class applicants, or lose them. The economic motives of a first line center are no different from those of a first chair cellist.

ebilmes
EZAC.

A NoDak team struggling offensively puts up SEVEN FUCKING GOALS against us tonight?

Kyle Rose
slash the in-conference schedule

Jim Hyla
I love hockey, but wouldn't trade everything else that is good about the Ivies just to win in it.