Harvard Hockey - Trouble in Paradise?

Seems like they're missing some guys from the current roster: Jack Christian, Kyle Richter, Alex Killorn, Colin Moore, Sam Bozoian, Dan Moriarity.
See it here: 2008-2009 Harvard Roster

Well, if this is true, that would certainly change the way the ECAC would play out. They also have 3 goalies listed on their roster, none of which are Richter, which indicates that it's not just an omission of names. Nobody would carry 4 goalies.

Flyers1037
Nobody would carry 4 goalies.

I'm pretty sure SLU did it last year, and several teams have done it over the years.

One of the Harvard people that posts regularly on USCHO thinks the missing players simply haven't had their photos taken yet. Doesn't really explain why their names would not be on the roster. Maybe those guys are going to focus on academics since their futures on Wall Street are a little less certain.

You're right, I just don't see much logic in doing it. Especially with SLUt carrying 2 freshmen last year, unless they are really high on both.

Jacob '06

Flyers1037
Nobody would carry 4 goalies.

I'm pretty sure SLU did it last year, and several teams have done it over the years.

Ok, I'll bite:

Davenport
DiLeo
Scrivens
Garman

Christ. I am getting so out of the loop. This is what I get for moving so far south of Ithaca. Schafer usually keeps his seniors on the roster even if they're not going to get playing time, at least from what I would see.

I was told last Tuesday from a source on our team that Richter wouldn't be playing this year for Harvard.

Given their record when Richter gave up more than 2 goals, I would say Sucks' offense is gonna have to be a lot better this year or else they're going nowhere.

ithacat

Jacob '06

Flyers1037
Nobody would carry 4 goalies.

I'm pretty sure SLU did it last year, and several teams have done it over the years.

Ok, I'll bite:

Davenport
DiLeo
Scrivens
Garman

DiLeo graduated last year, rightly proud of of his 18.85 GAA in the season-ending ECAC consolation against Colgate

sah67

ithacat

Jacob '06

Flyers1037
Nobody would carry 4 goalies.

I'm pretty sure SLU did it last year, and several teams have done it over the years.

Ok, I'll bite:

Davenport
DiLeo
Scrivens
Garman

DiLeo graduated last year, rightly proud of of his 18.85 GAA in the season-ending ECAC consolation against Colgate

He graduated? That's terrific. I was under the impression that he hadn't yet graduated. But, would not be on the 08-09 team with the arrival of Garman.

redice

sah67

ithacat

Jacob '06

Flyers1037
Nobody would carry 4 goalies.

I'm pretty sure SLU did it last year, and several teams have done it over the years.

Ok, I'll bite:

Davenport
DiLeo
Scrivens
Garman

DiLeo graduated last year, rightly proud of of his 18.85 GAA in the season-ending ECAC consolation against Colgate

He graduated? That's terrific. I was under the impression that he hadn't yet graduated. But, would not be on the 08-09 team with the arrival of Garman.

Nope, he's still on the team according to the roster on the team's page.
[cornellbigred.com];

TimV
Seems like they're missing some guys from the current roster: Jack Christian, Kyle Richter, Alex Killorn, Colin Moore, Sam Bozoian, Dan Moriarity.
See it here: 2008-2009 Harvard Roster

I don't know what it looked like when you posted, but as I am posting Killorn, Moore, Bozoian, and Moriarity are all included on the roster. Christian and Richter are not.

nr53

redice

sah67

ithacat

Jacob '06

Flyers1037
Nobody would carry 4 goalies.

I'm pretty sure SLU did it last year, and several teams have done it over the years.

Ok, I'll bite:

Davenport
DiLeo
Scrivens
Garman

DiLeo graduated last year, rightly proud of of his 18.85 GAA in the season-ending ECAC consolation against Colgate

He graduated? That's terrific. I was under the impression that he hadn't yet graduated. But, would not be on the 08-09 team with the arrival of Garman.

Nope, he's still on the team according to the roster on the team's page.
[cornellbigred.com];

Whoops my bad...for some reason, I thought I remembered Schafer putting him in in the final minutes of the Colgate consy game because it was his last hurrah as a senior.

Weren't there before. Maybe numbers weren't yet assigned?

David Harding

TimV
Seems like they're missing some guys from the current roster: Jack Christian, Kyle Richter, Alex Killorn, Colin Moore, Sam Bozoian, Dan Moriarity.
See it here: 2008-2009 Harvard Roster

I don't know what it looked like when you posted, but as I am posting Killorn, Moore, Bozoian, and Moriarity are all included on the roster. Christian and Richter are not.

USHR states Christian and Richter may have been disciplined with a one year suspension for cheating......eligible again next year. Hmmmm.

Drew
USHR states Christian and Richter may have been disciplined with a one year suspension for cheating......eligible again next year. Hmmmm.

O the cheers that could come out of that one!

Drew
USHR states Christian and Richter may have been disciplined with a one year suspension for cheating......eligible again next year. Hmmmm.

Why cheat when everyone gets an A?

Like your boy Marinaro used to get?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

jts15
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2008/09/16_harvards.php

<rehearsal>

"Wherrre is Rich-ter?"
*clap clap clapclapclap*

</rehearsal>

Marinaro got "A"s??? You're thinking of Dryden, right?...

jts15
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2008/09/16_harvards.php

Didn't Ted Kennedy sit out a year at Harvard for "personal reasons" or is that just urban legend?

nyc94

jts15
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2008/09/16_harvards.php

Didn't Ted Kennedy sit out a year at Harvard for "personal reasons" or is that just urban legend?

Looks like it.
[tafkac.org]

nyc94

jts15
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2008/09/16_harvards.php

Didn't Ted Kennedy sit out a year at Harvard for "personal reasons" or is that just urban legend?

Fact: When Teddy returned to campus years later to address the Harvard community, in order to feel at home, he wrote notes for the speech on his shirt cuffs.

As I read the rules and the NCAA lets you have 5 years to use 4 years of eligibility but the Ivy's say 4 with possible exceptions. An injury that causes you to miss a full season is often granted as an exception (John Glynn on our lax team) but cheating will not be a persuasive reason. If Christian can not play hockey as a senior (next year not this year) it would probably kill any dreams of pro hockey. So what does he give up hockey or the Harvard degree? Richter will face the same decision his senior year. This year he can play Junior A and play next year at Harvard as a junior.

By the way unless I totally misunderstand all this Troy Davenport should be in this same situation because of taking a year off (not for academics) to play another year of Juniors. Did he ask for and receive an exception?

Someone on USCHO was saying that Christian is sitting out due to post-concussion syndrome, not cheating.

Jacob '06
Someone on USCHO was saying that Christian is sitting out due to post-concussion syndrome, not cheating.

He probably just can't remember the cheating.

I believe the NCAA's clock (once started) runs whether one's in or out of school. I don't believe the Ivy's clock counts if one's out of school. That would help explain Davenport's situation -- Harvard's Bozoian is under the same deal.

Richter is too old to play junior.

Unfortunately, Harvard will probably be fine.

ithacat
Unfortunately, Harvard will probably be fine.

As long as there's a Goldman Sachs.

Pretty confident that Dryden earned his...not so with Marinaro.

Rich S
Pretty confident that Dryden earned his...not so with Marinaro.

Any evidence of that?

Or just too lazy to find a toilet?

His academic exploits were legendary.

Plenty of evidence from that time. HS classmates of mine who knew him as well as my brother who did.

Or were you referring to Dryden?

Rich S
His academic exploits were legendary.

Plenty of evidence from that time. HS classmates of mine who knew him as well as my brother who did.

Isn't it sad that someone can be so obsessed over Cornell that, nearly forty years after the fact, this absolutely irrelevant bullshit about Marinaro continues to be brought up? Is this sick, or what? Isn't there a good shrink somewhere in New Jersey who can help this poor man? Can't one of the many MD regulars recommend someone who can talk him through and relieve him of his problem?

I suspect he'll be ranting about Marinaro on his deathbed.

Al DeFlorio

Rich S
His academic exploits were legendary.

Plenty of evidence from that time. HS classmates of mine who knew him as well as my brother who did.

Isn't it sad that someone can be so obsessed over Cornell that, nearly forty years after the fact, this absolutely irrelevant bullshit about Marinaro continues to be brought up? Is this sick, or what? Isn't there a good shrink somewhere in New Jersey who can help this poor man? Can't one of the many MD regulars recommend someone who can talk him through and relieve him of his problem?

I suspect he'll be ranting about Marinaro on his deathbed.

Some conditions are incurable.

Townie

Al DeFlorio

Rich S
His academic exploits were legendary.

Plenty of evidence from that time. HS classmates of mine who knew him as well as my brother who did.

Isn't it sad that someone can be so obsessed over Cornell that, nearly forty years after the fact, this absolutely irrelevant bullshit about Marinaro continues to be brought up? Is this sick, or what? Isn't there a good shrink somewhere in New Jersey who can help this poor man? Can't one of the many MD regulars recommend someone who can talk him through and relieve him of his problem?

I suspect he'll be ranting about Marinaro on his deathbed.

Some conditions are incurable.

For example, an aversion to all things Hahvahd once Big Red Hockey is in your blood..

Townie

Al DeFlorio

Rich S
His academic exploits were legendary.

Plenty of evidence from that time. HS classmates of mine who knew him as well as my brother who did.

Isn't it sad that someone can be so obsessed over Cornell that, nearly forty years after the fact, this absolutely irrelevant bullshit about Marinaro continues to be brought up? Is this sick, or what? Isn't there a good shrink somewhere in New Jersey who can help this poor man? Can't one of the many MD regulars recommend someone who can talk him through and relieve him of his problem?

I suspect he'll be ranting about Marinaro on his deathbed.

Some conditions are incurable.

Speaking of that...where's Nickerson?

ithacat

Townie

Al DeFlorio

Rich S
His academic exploits were legendary.

Plenty of evidence from that time. HS classmates of mine who knew him as well as my brother who did.

Isn't it sad that someone can be so obsessed over Cornell that, nearly forty years after the fact, this absolutely irrelevant bullshit about Marinaro continues to be brought up? Is this sick, or what? Isn't there a good shrink somewhere in New Jersey who can help this poor man? Can't one of the many MD regulars recommend someone who can talk him through and relieve him of his problem?

I suspect he'll be ranting about Marinaro on his deathbed.

Some conditions are incurable.

Speaking of that...where's Nickerson?

Zing!

But on a serious note...last I heard he was assaulting Finnish men in locker rooms.

and I suspect you'll continue to deny the truth from six feet under. You should get help for your own issues.

Al DeFlorio

Drew
USHR states Christian and Richter may have been disciplined with a one year suspension for cheating......eligible again next year. Hmmmm.

Why cheat when everyone gets an A?

Rich S
Like your boy Marinaro used to get?

Rich, I think this time you did "incite a riot". You've been around eLynah long enough to know the running line about grade inflation at Harvard and always getting an A. Therefore I think that Al's comment is right in line with that.

For you to bring up Marinaro (and I have no idea, nor do I care, what grades he got) was an overhead slam and not really related to the idea of Harvard's grade inflation (which by the way has been well documented, even by Harvard).

It seems to me you were asking for a reply from Al, which you got. None of this has anything to do with "Trouble in Paradise". Hopefully we won't need to go any further with this thread drift.

I think you virtually guaranteed it will continue, Jim.

[www.msnbc.msn.com]

Rich S
and I suspect you'll continue to deny the truth from six feet under. You should get help for your own issues.

There's a good plot for a TV show rolling around here.

First poll of the season - Rich S reminds us most of which of the following characters:

Al DeFlorio

Rich S
His academic exploits were legendary.

Plenty of evidence from that time. HS classmates of mine who knew him as well as my brother who did.

Isn't it sad that someone can be so obsessed over Cornell that, nearly forty years after the fact, this absolutely irrelevant bullshit about Marinaro continues to be brought up? Is this sick, or what? Isn't there a good shrink somewhere in New Jersey who can help this poor man? Can't one of the many MD regulars recommend someone who can talk him through and relieve him of his problem? I suspect he'll be ranting about Marinaro on his deathbed.

The Peace Corps teaches backward countries -- sorry, emerging countries -- to do things such as create fish ponds so the indigenous populaton can have protein and no longer has to rely on air drops of Spam. Maybe our domestic Peace Corps (VISTA?) could create a bitchin' hockey website for Clarkson fans so they'd have their own watering hole to hang out around.

I forget: Was Marinaro after college able to support himself? He's not on food stamps or anything? The Rich S Report has me concerned.

billhoward

Al DeFlorio

Rich S
His academic exploits were legendary.

Plenty of evidence from that time. HS classmates of mine who knew him as well as my brother who did.

Isn't it sad that someone can be so obsessed over Cornell that, nearly forty years after the fact, this absolutely irrelevant bullshit about Marinaro continues to be brought up? Is this sick, or what? Isn't there a good shrink somewhere in New Jersey who can help this poor man? Can't one of the many MD regulars recommend someone who can talk him through and relieve him of his problem? I suspect he'll be ranting about Marinaro on his deathbed.

The Peace Corps teaches backward countries -- sorry, emerging countries -- to do things such as create fish ponds so the indigenous populaton can have protein and no longer has to rely on air drops of Spam. Maybe our domestic Peace Corps (VISTA?) could create a bitchin' hockey website for Clarkson fans so they'd have their own watering hole to hang out around.

I forget: Was Marinaro after college able to support himself? He's not on food stamps or anything? The Rich S Report has me concerned.

No food stamps here either but thanks for the concern.

Me thinks you should be at least as concerned about Al's obsession with Clarkson and his anti-Tech diatribes. His "third rate Tech school" comments still have me laughing.

Poor guy...I would think he'd have no trouble finding better things to do up there on the Cape.

You mean like better things to do than come on another team's fans' forum and trash one of its most respected members?

who?

Rich S
No food stamps here either but thanks for the concern.

Me thinks you should be at least as concerned about Al's obsession with Clarkson and his anti-Tech diatribes. His "third rate Tech school" comments still have me laughing.

Poor guy...I would think he'd have no trouble finding better things to do up there on the Cape.

Unless Al is going on the Clarkson hockey board and trolling like you do here, you don't have a leg to stand on.

But to be fair, Clarkson isn't a third rate tech school. Second rate is probably more like it.

I've been trying to stay out of this nonsense, but, at the risk of stirring the pot further, I feel I have to clarify.

I never said Clarkson was a "third-rate" school. I said "third tier" among engineering schools. There's a difference. MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Caltech, Illinois, Carnegie Mellon and 10-15 or so others are "first tier" engineering schools. A "second tier" would include schools like Washington, Florida, Rice, Yale, Duke, Lehigh and another 15-20 or so. There are more than three tiers. "Third-rate" is perceived as a pejorative term, and that is NOT what I said or meant.

Now back to the "troubles" at Harvard.

If Rich didn't exist, and I believe Rich does, since we've exchanged some private e-mails, much of it cordial, then the sysops here would have to create a bot that tirelessly parses posts, waits for perceived insults to the alma mater of Dave Taylor, and then blasts away on elynah.com. The nice thing about the Rich S model now sputtering about online is that the RS-bot degree of difficulty isn't set so high. (If it were a first date ... well, let's not go there.) It appears programmed so Cornell-side posters triumph in at least seven of ten discussions. Which helps our feeling of self-worth. Because, sorry Grantland Rice: It isn't that you won or lost, but that you played the self-esteem game.

Al,

You have not done a good job of "staying out of this nonsense." You previously called me "sick", said I was "ranting," and suggested I see a shrink in NJ.

More to the point, you're engaging in revisionist history. I recall your referring to Clarkson as a "third rate" tech school that you, employed at the time by the 'biggest tech company out there" (I am paraphrasing here) did not "give a crap about."

Nice try Al.

And if you think Clarkson is only a third tier Tech school, you're way off base. You demonstrated how out of touch you are with industry's regard for Clarkson and the graduates it turns out.

Ok, no you can go back to trashing Harvard to demonstrate more "obsession."

Rich S

And if you think Clarkson is only a third tier Tech school, you're way off base. You demonstrated how out of touch you are with industry's regard for Clarkson and the graduates it turns out.

Ding! Is that your dinner on the floor Rich?

Graduateshotline.com

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Illinois Urbana-Champaign
6. Georgia Tech
7. University of Michigan
8. Cornell University
9. Carnegie Mellon
10. UT Austin
11. Everybody else

Now we can go back to talking about how Harvard sucks.

marty

Rich S

And if you think Clarkson is only a third tier Tech school, you're way off base. You demonstrated how out of touch you are with industry's regard for Clarkson and the graduates it turns out.

Ding! Is that your dinner on the floor Rich?

I'm confused as to whether you're calling RichS a lady, a dog, or both.

Up until a couple of years ago, Al was a fairly regular poster on the Clarkson website.

I recall his postings were sometimes negative towards Tech. But he can tell you more about that.

Rich S
Up until a couple of years ago, Al was a fairly regular poster on the Clarkson website.

I recall his postings were sometimes negative towards Tech. But he can tell you more about that.

I know syphilis occasionally leads to some cases of mental disorders, but Rich is really starting to worry some of us.

There's a lesson to be learned here about staying away from the locker room at Cheel when Nickerson was occupying it...particularly when he was in rut.

What's "in rut" mean?

Aren't you guys supposed to be consumed with the rampant cheating at Harvard instead of me?

And since you're worried, I never set foot in the Cheel locker room when Nickerson was there. Only the cornell co-eds were allowed in.

Rich S
What's "in rut" mean?

Aren't you guys supposed to be consumed with the rampant cheating at Harvard instead of me?

And since you're worried, I never set foot in the Cheel locker room when Nickerson was there. Only the cornell co-eds were allowed in.

Rut

If you need help with any of those other big words, let me know. I know English isn't a top priority at a second-and-a-half-tier engineering school like Tech.

Thanks for the "education." And also for the arrogance which I can always find here, on the site of a lower tier ivy.

Rich S
Only the cornell co-eds were allowed in.

No, sadly Nickerson had to resort to battery to get his jollies: [board.uscho.com].

You all may want to try this -->

It provides a higher level of entertainment and is generally less painful than reading this thread.

Trotsky
Graduateshotline.com

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Illinois Urbana-Champaign
6. Georgia Tech
7. University of Michigan
8. Cornell University
9. Carnegie Mellon
10. UT Austin
11. Everybody else

Now we can go back to talking about how Harvard sucks.

Well, the list actually goes up to 55 (Drek Tech -- now that will start a war), but my Firefox browser must be broken. When I search for Clarkson, nothing comes up.

Swampy
Well, the list actually goes up to 55 (Drek Tech -- now that will start a war), but my Firefox browser must be broken. When I search for Clarkson, nothing comes up.

You will find them, however, on the unranked recommended programs page.

Unless it is your sincere belief that Clarkson is a mediocre school - and I think you are merely engaging in RichS baiting* - please cut this out.

* Pot calling the kettle black? Sure, sure, I'm in no position to be the moral authority on this sort of thing ... but this doesn't feel the same as our usual game: getting him frothing about stupid harmless stuff like syphilitic players or assault-y coaches with a quick trigger on mediocre goalies. This is gobs more personal and drags in guys like dpperk who have done nothing to deserve mockery.

ugarte

Swampy
Well, the list actually goes up to 55 (Drek Tech -- now that will start a war), but my Firefox browser must be broken. When I search for Clarkson, nothing comes up.

You will find them, however, on the unranked recommended programs page.

Unless it is your sincere belief that Clarkson is a mediocre school - and I think you are merely engaging in RichS baiting* - please cut this out.

* Pot calling the kettle black? Sure, sure, I'm in no position to be the moral authority on this sort of thing ... but this doesn't feel the same as our usual game: getting him frothing about stupid harmless stuff like syphilitic players or assault-y coaches with a quick trigger on mediocre goalies. This is gobs more personal and drags in guys like dpperk who have done nothing to deserve mockery.

You're quite full of yourself. Not surprising really.

Frothing? Hmmm...I don't see personal attacks such as the kind you direct at Nickerson and Morris, whether in person or online, as truly "harmless stuff." Tasteless, classless, and mean-spirited is a better description. I'd expect better from ivy-educated types. But maybe the inherent arrogance running rampant here explains it.

In the Morris case, most cornell posters have no knowledge of the most important facts of that case, so you come off poorly when trying to speako authoritatively about it.

"Mediocre goalies?" Considering the records of Dan Murphy and Chris Bernard, you have just redefined "mediocre." Don't let the facts get in the way, eh?

Feel free to continue the "persoanl mockery." It's both amusing and pathetic at the same time. And you're correct; you're in no position to be a moral authority.

I'd expect better from ivy-educated types.

You forget we attended the Godless university.

Swampy

Trotsky
Graduateshotline.com

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Illinois Urbana-Champaign
6. Georgia Tech
7. University of Michigan
8. Cornell University
9. Carnegie Mellon
10. UT Austin
11. Everybody else

Now we can go back to talking about how Harvard sucks.

Well, the list actually goes up to 55 (Drek Tech -- now that will start a war), but my Firefox browser must be broken. When I search for Clarkson, nothing comes up.

Guess you filtered out "third rate tech schools."

Rich S

ugarte

Swampy
Well, the list actually goes up to 55 (Drek Tech -- now that will start a war), but my Firefox browser must be broken. When I search for Clarkson, nothing comes up.

You will find them, however, on the unranked recommended programs page.

Unless it is your sincere belief that Clarkson is a mediocre school - and I think you are merely engaging in RichS baiting* - please cut this out.

* Pot calling the kettle black? Sure, sure, I'm in no position to be the moral authority on this sort of thing ... but this doesn't feel the same as our usual game: getting him frothing about stupid harmless stuff like syphilitic players or assault-y coaches with a quick trigger on mediocre goalies. This is gobs more personal and drags in guys like dpperk who have done nothing to deserve mockery.

You're quite full of yourself. Not surprising really.

Frothing? Hmmm...I don't see personal attacks such as the kind you direct at Nickerson and Morris, whether in person or online, as truly "harmless stuff." Tasteless, classless, and mean-spirited is a better description. I'd expect better from ivy-educated types. But maybe the inherent arrogance running rampant here explains it.

In the Morris case, most cornell posters have no knowledge of the most important facts of that case, so you come off poorly when trying to speako authoritatively about it.

"Mediocre goalies?" Considering the records of Dan Murphy and Chris Bernard, you have just redefined "mediocre." Don't let the facts get in the way, eh?

Feel free to continue the "persoanl mockery." It's both amusing and pathetic at the same time. And you're correct; you're in no position to be a moral authority.

This, for the record, is frothing.

ugarte

Swampy
Well, the list actually goes up to 55 (Drek Tech -- now that will start a war), but my Firefox browser must be broken. When I search for Clarkson, nothing comes up.

You will find them, however, on the unranked recommended programs page.

Unless it is your sincere belief that Clarkson is a mediocre school - and I think you are merely engaging in RichS baiting* - please cut this out.

* Pot calling the kettle black? Sure, sure, I'm in no position to be the moral authority on this sort of thing ... but this doesn't feel the same as our usual game: getting him frothing about stupid harmless stuff like syphilitic players or assault-y coaches with a quick trigger on mediocre goalies. This is gobs more personal and drags in guys like dpperk who have done nothing to deserve mockery.

thank you, I must say, it has been fun to watch though.

ugarte

Rich S

ugarte

Swampy
Well, the list actually goes up to 55 (Drek Tech -- now that will start a war), but my Firefox browser must be broken. When I search for Clarkson, nothing comes up.

You will find them, however, on the unranked recommended programs page.

Unless it is your sincere belief that Clarkson is a mediocre school - and I think you are merely engaging in RichS baiting* - please cut this out.

* Pot calling the kettle black? Sure, sure, I'm in no position to be the moral authority on this sort of thing ... but this doesn't feel the same as our usual game: getting him frothing about stupid harmless stuff like syphilitic players or assault-y coaches with a quick trigger on mediocre goalies. This is gobs more personal and drags in guys like dpperk who have done nothing to deserve mockery.

You're quite full of yourself. Not surprising really.

Frothing? Hmmm...I don't see personal attacks such as the kind you direct at Nickerson and Morris, whether in person or online, as truly "harmless stuff." Tasteless, classless, and mean-spirited is a better description. I'd expect better from ivy-educated types. But maybe the inherent arrogance running rampant here explains it.

In the Morris case, most cornell posters have no knowledge of the most important facts of that case, so you come off poorly when trying to speak authoritatively about it.

"Mediocre goalies?" Considering the records of Dan Murphy and Chris Bernard, you have just redefined "mediocre." Don't let the facts get in the way, eh?

Feel free to continue the "personal mockery." It's both amusing and pathetic at the same time. And you're correct; you're in no position to be a moral authority.

This, for the record, is frothing.

As opposed to just "responding" to your inaccurate and rather snarky comments? I know frothing when I see it, and that ain't it.

Given your sig as a "cranky bastard", I'm not surprised. Have you checked the records of the "mediocre" Murphy and Bernard yet?

Feel free to educate the rest of us when you have.

I heard Harvard lost a few key players this year. I wonder how they're going to stack up? Any good new recruits? How do CU's recruits compare?

You're welcome.

Please?

You know, just because it's there doesn't mean you have to read it. Everybody who checks this thread knows what it's turned into, and--hey--the Harvard roster question has been cleared up. So hit the "mark as read" button and move on, eh?

After 70 posts you join this flame-fest and become The Sheriff?

Rich S

Swampy

Trotsky
Graduateshotline.com

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Illinois Urbana-Champaign
6. Georgia Tech
7. University of Michigan
8. Cornell University
9. Carnegie Mellon
10. UT Austin
11. Everybody else

Now we can go back to talking about how Harvard sucks.

Well, the list actually goes up to 55 (Drek Tech -- now that will start a war), but my Firefox browser must be broken. When I search for Clarkson, nothing comes up.

Guess you filtered out "third rate tech schools."

No, but thanks for pointing this out. I had the filter for "safety schools" turned on.

Although I'm a current Cornell engineering grad student and BS alum, I must say: I have no qualification whatsoever to judge Clarkson's academic merit.

That is, other than that I'm an engineering grad student and I have never ever heard of Clarkson other than regarding hockey. Also, I have been applying to top firms and always read the list of schools they recruit in- we're usually on it, with a few exceptions. Great engineering schools like Michigan and Illinois oftentimes are not.

In any case, I'm amused to see an alum from Clarkson who clearly cares about what we think of his school. Most people would give up by now, due to frustration and by recognizing the childishness of being the one guy still trying to convince all the other kids in the playground that he isn't stupid.

Keep on truckin'! It's better than studying at 1:23am on a Sunday night, anyways.

BMac
Although I'm a current Cornell engineering grad student and BS alum, I must say: I have no qualification whatsoever to judge Clarkson's academic merit.

That is, other than that I'm an engineering grad student and I have never ever heard of Clarkson other than regarding hockey. Also, I have been applying to top firms and always read the list of schools they recruit in- we're usually on it, with a few exceptions. Great engineering schools like Michigan and Illinois oftentimes are not.

In any case, I'm amused to see an alum from Clarkson who clearly cares about what we think of his school. Most people would give up by now, due to frustration and by recognizing the childishness of being the one guy still trying to convince all the other kids in the playground that he isn't stupid.

Keep on truckin'! It's better than studying at 1:23am on a Sunday night, anyways.

My impression of Clarkson’s reputation is that it is very good in the northeast and tapers off the farther south and west you go.

I am doing a Co-op with General Electric this semester, and it seems that half the engineers here are Clarkson grads (it might not be half, but at least the dept I am in it is). Talking to other friends who have interned (or have fulltime jobs) with large companies (Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, IBM, Raytheon, Siemens, etc) I get the impression that those who are located in the Northeast work with a lot of Clarkson Engineers.

Obviously schools like Cornell, Michigan, Georgia Tech, Illinois, and other large schools will have a better reputation nationally due to the vast difference in the number of graduates every year. Clarkson only graduates approximately 600-800 students a year, and probably 400-600 of those are engineers. I am sure Cornell graduates significantly more every year. Clarkson has 200 companies actively recruiting Clarkson grads, and 140 companies were at the career fair last month, pretty impressive numbers for a small school in the middle of nowhere.


All that being said, I am a firm believer that the quality of an engineer has a lot more to do with the person than the school. I am sure there are a lot of bad engineers from Cornell (and Clarkson for that matter) out there building bridges, elevators, airplanes, cars, and other things we trust our lives to everyday.

That is my opinion as a Clarkson student, but your mileage may vary

Dpperk29
Clarkson only graduates approximately 600-800 students a year, and probably 400-600 of those are engineers. I am sure Cornell graduates significantly more every year.

Cornell awards about 700 undergraduate engineering degrees each year.

Dpperk29
All that being said, I am a firm believer that the quality of an engineer has a lot more to do with the person than the school. I am sure there are a lot of bad engineers from Cornell (and Clarkson for that matter) out there building bridges, elevators, airplanes, cars, and other things we trust our lives to everyday.

That's certainly a fair point, and true about engineers as much as it is about any other background.

Dpperk29
I am sure there are a lot of bad engineers from Cornell (and Clarkson for that matter) out there building bridges, elevators, airplanes, cars, and other things we trust our lives to everyday.

That's your pleasant thought for the day. Knowing some of the people I work with (I'm an engineer) I have to agree with you. I'm almost surprised that those bridges aren't collapsing, elevators plummeting and airplanes falling out of the sky every day. Massive factor of safety ftw!

On a serious note, my company in the SF Bay Area is loaded with engineers from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Has anyone ever heard fo this school in the northeast? I certainly hadn't. But it's well known as a decent engineering school in California. I'm sure Clarkson has the same regional status in the NE like Dpperk29 says.

Here in Boston, I've certainly heard of Clarkson professionally. In my experience it has a pretty good reputation, and the Clarkson software engineer's I've worked with have all been excellent.

Harvard software engineers, however, have not. So there.

KeithK
On a serious note, my company in the SF Bay Area is loaded with engineers from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Has anyone ever heard fo this school in the northeast? I certainly hadn't. But it's well known as a decent engineering school in California. I'm sure Clarkson has the same regional status in the NE like Dpperk29 says.

That makes me think of another reason as to why cornell (and other big engineering schools) has a more widespread reputation as clarkson does. I would wager that more engineers with graduate from cornell or some of the other big engineering schools come from a more widespread area, and probably tend to go farther away from their respective schools for work. the vast majority of clarkson students are from New York or New England, and most of them I know either want to stay in the northeast, or already have jobs and are staying in the northeast.

hell, for all we know Vladivostok Polytechic Institute(not even sure if such a school exists) has the best engineering program in the world, but the world will never know if they all stay in Vladivostok...

Kieth,

I heard of Cal Poly and almost applied there years ago 1968 - wound up at Swarthmore College instead. My first office-mate when I started at IBM in '87 was a Cal Poly grad also and a good SW engineer; so although HS in Suburban Detroit (prep) and living and working in NE most of time - definitely have a good opinion of Cal Poly.

fwiw REPUTATION CHANGES OVER THE YEARS; but I have ALWAYS thought very highly of CORNELL throughout this time period.

KeithK
On a serious note, my company in the SF Bay Area is loaded with engineers from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Has anyone ever heard fo this school in the northeast?

I'm pretty sure Weird Al Yankovic went there, but I'm not sure what that says about the school's efficacy at training engineers.

Dpperk29
I am doing a Co-op with General Electric this semester, and it seems that half the engineers here are Clarkson grads (it might not be half, but at least the dept I am in it is). Talking to other friends who have interned (or have fulltime jobs) with large companies (Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, IBM, Raytheon, Siemens, etc) I get the impression that those who are located in the Northeast work with a lot of Clarkson Engineers.

That sounds a lot like "Older Clarkson guys hiring younger Clarkson guys." That isn't a knock by any means - I'm sure that something similar goes on with Cornell alums too. If your placement and alumni relations offices are worth anything, that's exactly how it should work.

kaelistus
Here in Boston, I've certainly heard of Clarkson professionally. In my experience it has a pretty good reputation, and the Clarkson software engineer's I've worked with have all been excellent.

Harvard software engineers, however, have not. So there.

Sorry, this post is an error.

Swampy

kaelistus
Here in Boston, I've certainly heard of Clarkson professionally. In my experience it has a pretty good reputation, and the Clarkson software engineer's I've worked with have all been excellent.

Harvard software engineers, however, have not. So there.

Sorry, this post is an error.

Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Rich S

Swampy

kaelistus
Here in Boston, I've certainly heard of Clarkson professionally. In my experience it has a pretty good reputation, and the Clarkson software engineer's I've worked with have all been excellent.

Harvard software engineers, however, have not. So there.

Sorry, this post is an error.

Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Rich S

Swampy

kaelistus
Here in Boston, I've certainly heard of Clarkson professionally. In my experience it has a pretty good reputation, and the Clarkson software engineer's I've worked with have all been excellent.

Harvard software engineers, however, have not. So there.

Sorry, this post is an error.

Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Rich, you misunderstood. Swampy's post clearly indicated he had edited it. When he said "this post is an error," he actually meant "this post is an error" He posted something in error, then edited to remove whatever it was he'd said in error.

But please feel free to continue appearing paranoid.

Beeeeej,

Guess I misinterpreted Swampy's post.

I was with you until that "paranoid" comment.

Me thinks it's y'all who are constantly slamming Harvard who are "paranoid." But keep it up if it makes you feel better.

Rich S
Beeeeej,

Guess I misinterpreted Swampy's post.

I was with you until that "paranoid" comment.

Me thinks it's y'all who are constantly slamming Harvard who are "paranoid." But keep it up if it makes you feel better.

Funny, I don't recall slamming Harvard at all.

But feel free to keep overgeneralizing, too.

Rich S
Me thinks it's y'all who are constantly slamming Harvard who are "paranoid." But keep it up if it makes you feel better.

Slamming Harvard isn't paranoid, it is petty.

Slamming Clarkson is neither paranoid nor petty; it is cheap fun. A few of us have a pool where we bet on how long it will take you to respond, how angry you sound and how many rolleyes your response contains (to ensure that we realize that you are being sarcastic, I guess).

ugarte

Rich S
Me thinks it's y'all who are constantly slamming Harvard who are "paranoid." But keep it up if it makes you feel better.

Slamming Harvard isn't paranoid, it is petty.

Slamming Clarkson is neither paranoid nor petty; it is cheap fun. A few of us have a pool where we bet on how long it will take you to respond, how angry you sound and how many rolleyes your response contains (to ensure that we realize that you are being sarcastic, I guess).

If you think I sound angry, clearly you do not know me at all. "Angry" is an adjective that has rarely if ever been used to describe me, except perhaps when I was playing hockey.

"Cheap" is the operative word in your post. Glad you can get "cheap" thrills from your "cheap" fun. As Beeeeeej would say, feel free to keep slamming, criticizing and making fun of Harvard. It may be petty but it's also "cheap." Fits your MO very nicely.

Thanks, I appreciate your allowing me to exercise my freedoms.

Rich S

ugarte

Rich S
Me thinks it's y'all who are constantly slamming Harvard who are "paranoid." But keep it up if it makes you feel better.

Slamming Harvard isn't paranoid, it is petty.

Slamming Clarkson is neither paranoid nor petty; it is cheap fun. A few of us have a pool where we bet on how long it will take you to respond, how angry you sound and how many rolleyes your response contains (to ensure that we realize that you are being sarcastic, I guess).

If you think I sound angry, clearly you do not know me at all. "Angry" is an adjective that has rarely if ever been used to describe me, except perhaps when I was playing hockey.

"Cheap" is the operative word in your post. Glad you can get "cheap" thrills from your "cheap" fun. As Beeeeeej would say, feel free to keep slamming, criticizing and making fun of Harvard. It may be petty but it's also "cheap." Fits your MO very nicely.

Who had "9 minutes," "frustrated" and "zero rolleyes but five uses of scare quotes?"

ugarte

Rich S

ugarte

Rich S
Me thinks it's y'all who are constantly slamming Harvard who are "paranoid." But keep it up if it makes you feel better.

Slamming Harvard isn't paranoid, it is petty.

Slamming Clarkson is neither paranoid nor petty; it is cheap fun. A few of us have a pool where we bet on how long it will take you to respond, how angry you sound and how many rolleyes your response contains (to ensure that we realize that you are being sarcastic, I guess).

If you think I sound angry, clearly you do not know me at all. "Angry" is an adjective that has rarely if ever been used to describe me, except perhaps when I was playing hockey.

"Cheap" is the operative word in your post. Glad you can get "cheap" thrills from your "cheap" fun. As Beeeeeej would say, feel free to keep slamming, criticizing and making fun of Harvard. It may be petty but it's also "cheap." Fits your MO very nicely.

Who had "9 minutes," "frustrated" and "zero rolleyes but five uses of scare quotes?"

Dammit!! Al wins again.

Good Clarkson fan:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad Clarkson fan:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good Clarkson fan:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad Clarkson fan:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good Clarkson fan:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad Clarkson fan:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Bad! Bad! Bad!

Josh '99
Good Clarkson fan:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad Clarkson fan:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good Clarkson fan:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad Clarkson fan:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good Clarkson fan:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad Clarkson fan:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Good:

Dpperk29
Dude, that wasn't even funny, let it go... Let this thread die...

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Bad:

Rich S
Of course it's an error. It doesn't slam Clarkson's hockey team or its academics and grads it turns out.

Bad! Bad! Bad!

Josh... if I ever meet you in person I'll buy you a beer for making me laugh as hard as I just did.

I was halfway through Josh's post before I figured out what he was doing.

This season can't start soon enough.

Did he cheat?

Rich S
Did he cheat?

That was funny.