Cornell 4 at Dartmouth 1 postgame

Very nice game for Cornell in an arena that has been unkind to Cornell the last decade. Two-point weekend is better than none and L-W is a better pattern than W-L. We (fans) would probably feel better about beating Harvard but it's probably better for the team to chase away the demons of Dartmouth. And we didn't get blown out by Harvard.

Scrivens 1.5GAA this weekend, 120x125 (.960) saves last couple games . Wonder how Davenport's feeling now. I thought he was the #1 goalie going into the season.

Good way to go into the BU game.

0x4 on power play for Cornell. (Same for Dartmouth) Not enough opportunities to make a statistical difference. We shouldn't have given up the SHG.

Dan Nicholls with his first 2 goals ever at Cornell has to feel good about the weekend.

Downside: We didn't look controlling in either third period. Nicholls' second goal (in the third) was nice but a lucky (or skillful) takeaway.


Downside II: Fisticuffs at game's end. Don't need anybody tossed going into BU. [Edit add:] They were. Dan Nicholls took (on receiving end of) a cheap shot at game's end, Joe Scali and Justin Krueger got game DQs (can't play next game) for the BU game, along with 2 Dartmouth players. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

We must've worn Harvard down. Colgate beat Harvard 2-1.

Since someone asked for the lines:

P. Kennedy / M. Kennedy / Sawada
Greening / R. Nash / Barlow
Scott / Gallagher / J. Devin
Scali / Fontas / Nicholls

Krantz / Krueger
Berk / Seminoff
Ta. Davenport / M. Devin

Scrivens

I'm quite pleased with the weekend and the ECAC season to date. Gave up five goals in four ECAC games on the road and one was a virtually-meaningless EAG. I thought this young team (skating six frosh) played a more-experienced Harvard team (with whom we are now tied) fairly even early in the season in their barn. Now we get six non-league games to gain experience and--I hope--confidence before resuming the league schedule in January.

Jason's three stars:

1 - Nicholls
2 - Sawada
3 - Scrivens

Scali and Krueger won't be able to play against BU. Not too good heading to play BU considering Krueger has been solid in defense... but Brendon Nash is playing.

Bah. Krueger and Scali will miss MSG. Dumb.

The Dartmouth broadcast reported two DQs for the Big Green out of the post-game fracas. They didn't mention whether Cornell recieved any.

Edit: Al has the Cornell DQs.

Krueger and Scali should be benched until February for that shit. Stupid, stupid...

Kyle

Krueger and Scali get game DQ's at the end of the game.

krose
Krueger and Scali should be benched until February for that shit. Stupid, stupid...

Kyle

Or at least not be allowed to change before boarding the bus back home to Ithaca, However, having two sweaty smelly players on the bus might be unfair to everyone else who played well and kept their wits about them at the end of the game.

Moral victory for Dartmouth even if they lost 2 guys. They're not playing in the self-proclaimed world's greatest sports arena. (Also one of the shabbiest.)

With Mugford expected back, Scali wouldn't have played anyways.

krose
Krueger and Scali should be benched until February for that shit.

Let's get em' kicked out of school.


Edit: I don't think it's a coincidence that after Dartmouth took a cheap shot at Gallagher in the final minute Schafer had a line of Devin, Scali and Nichols on the ice for the remainder of the game.

Exactly. A Gaudet-coached team is still a Gaudet-coached team, whether brown or green.

Too bad about Krueger...he's been playing excellent out there; quite possibly our best defenseman after Seminoff. Hopefully Nash isn't too rusty come next weekend.

Pretty amazing how Dartmouth fills their barn way better than Sucks, yet they manage to be library-silent unless they score. Never thought I'd see a quieter home-crowd than at Bright.

P.S. I think it's safe to say that Dan "The Sniper" Nicholls has surpassed both Biegas for Hobey candidacy
Now if only he would learn not to end up sprawled all over the ice every time he goes to deck someone.

sah67
Too bad about Krueger...he's been playing excellent out there; quite possibly our best defenseman after Seminoff. Hopefully Nash isn't too rusty come next weekend.

I thought Krueger had a terrific game until the end buzzer. He's definitely one of our most skilled at shot-blocking. Right now, the defense all seems to be really getting into that skill, and overall is getting good at it. One reason why many shots that our goaltenders are seeing are low-percentage ones from the outside.

The Dartmouth goal was a well-executed 2-on-1. Li'l Gaudet just had to hold onto his stick and it was going in. Our guy (can't remember who) played the carrier to take the shot and not the pass and got burned. Can't fault Scrivens.

So now we know who can finish breakaways: Dan Nicholls. I haven't been so stunned for a breakaway-finish since Jeff Oates scored shorthanded vs. Harvard.

From the Dartmouth write-up on the game (and imagine the look of surprise on Devine's face):

"The Big Red added to its total at 14:07 when both teams rushed the Dartmouth net."

RichH

The Dartmouth goal was a well-executed 2-on-1. Li'l Gaudet just had to hold onto his stick and it was going in. Our guy (can't remember who) played the carrier to take the shot and not the pass and got burned. Can't fault Scrivens.

'Twas Berk...who seemed to making a bunch of rookie mistakes all weekend. I too, could only watch shaking my head, as lil' Gaudet skate in un-defended as Berk focused on whoever had the puck, completely unconcerned with blocking the obvious pass to come.

Speaking of Lil' Gaudet...can you imagine growing up with that guy for a dad?

*cough* The coach beats his son! The coach beats his son! *cough*

billhoward
Nicholls' second goal (in the third) was nice but a lucky (or skillful) takeaway.

Here's my take. A Dartmouth defensemen was about to receive the puck just inside the Dartmouth blue line. Nicholls had him lined up and was about to cream him, when the defensemen got spooked (wet himself) and lost sight of the puck. It trickled behind him and Nicholls picked up the puck and skated in all alone.

calgARI '07
With Mugford expected back, Scali wouldn't have played anyways.

The problem is that Fontas got injured at some point late in the third period. He sort of glided off the ice and didn't see another shift. The bench was on our side so it was tough to see if/how he was being attended to. So if he's unable to play Roezler will likely draw back into the lineup.

sah67

'Twas Berk...who seemed to making a bunch of rookie mistakes all weekend.

Agreed. He looked much better the first weekend at Lynah.

In my opinion, Berk did exactly what the defenseman is supposed to do in that situation, and it's a save he makes most of the time.

On a 2-1 rush, the defender is supposed to "take the pass" allowing the goalie to focus entirely on the player with the puck. I've been taught (told) to imagine it as though it was a 2-goalie situation. Berk is meant to block the "shot" to the oncoming forward, and Scrivens is meant to keep all (most) of his attention on the player with the puck until the last possible second.

That said, in this particular instance, the Dartmouth player made a phenomenal pass that just barely got around the sliding Berk. It's a play that he made very well two weekends ago, but given the amount of times he's had to do it this season, it was only a matter of averages before one got by him.

Already, as a freshman (my favorite player so far this year) he's blocked many, many shots and passes from his stomach. He's proving to be very valuable when we suffer odd-man rushes and intercepted passes.

...He just happens to take the occasional stupid penalty.

For those who were there/watched, how much of a fight was the fight? I'm curious because after seeing the scrum during the NoDak/Wisconsin game I was surprised to see no DQs handed out there (And there were definitely punches thrown in that instance).

I was at the game. IMO Krueger didn't deserve the DQ. He and the Dartmouth player kept each other at arms length and circled for a few moments without really throwing much of a punch.

Scali had some pretty determined shoving, and I think he deserved the DQ just as much as the Dartmouth player.

Interesting: I wonder if anyone else noticed that Greening left the bench to join the fight, but the team screamed at him to come back. He stopped, seemed to think about it for a second, then sprinted back to the bench. Did anyone else see that?

LaJollaRed
I was at the game. IMO Krueger didn't deserve the DQ. He and the Dartmouth player kept each other at arms length and circled for a few moments without really throwing much of a punch.

Scali had some pretty determined shoving, and I think he deserved the DQ just as much as the Dartmouth player.

Interesting: I wonder if anyone else noticed that Greening left the bench to join the fight, but the team screamed at him to come back. He stopped, seemed to think about it for a second, then sprinted back to the bench. Did anyone else see that?

Not those of us watching the video, but Jason did mention it on the Cornell audio feed. I can only imagine what the coaching staff must have yelled at him.

LaJollaRed
On a 2-1 rush, the defender is supposed to "take the pass" allowing the goalie to focus entirely on the player with the puck.

Exactly, but he didn't do that. If he did, the Dartmouth player wouldn't have received the puck. There's no in between-- you either take the pass away or you don't.

oceanst41
For those who were there/watched, how much of a fight was the fight? I'm curious because after seeing the scrum during the NoDak/Wisconsin game I was surprised to see no DQs handed out there (And there were definitely punches thrown in that instance).

It was a joke. I was pretty shocked to hear they gave DQ's out when I got home. If those decisions can be reviewed I wouldn't be surprised to see at least Krueger's DQ get reversed--he was basically just keeping the Dartmouth player from groping him. However, I seem to recall that some Clarkson player (maybe Nick Dodge?) received a bogus DQ last year but there were some rumblings about how the on ice decisions for DQ's are irreversible.

LaJollaRed
Interesting: I wonder if anyone else noticed that Greening left the bench to join the fight, but the team screamed at him to come back. He stopped, seemed to think about it for a second, then sprinted back to the bench. Did anyone else see that?

Exactly as you described. Some of us in the stands were screaming as well. As a captain (yes an assistant) he needs to know better. It's his job to keep the players in check. Scrivens did a good job of telling them to get off the ice before they got into more trouble.

That said, the DQs were too severe in my opinion. I've seen worse without those penalties. However there were a number of missed plays by the officials as well. Once we flipped the puck, with a high stick, out of our defensive zone (I don't remember who) and they called D'mouth for a high stick and moved the face off down to our offensive end, as if D'mouth did it. Then for some reason they put it outside our offensive red line. Anybody got an explanation? I, and others, thought D'mouth got screwed.

I figured as much. In the WCHA game I mentioned above the fight started because a slash, which resulted in a haymaker being thrown back at the offending Badger. From there all of the skaters were paired up with someone with at least two of the pairings throwing punches. I don't know what exactly the NCAA constitutes as a fight but it seemed like at least one set of matching DQs was warranted in that occasion. Yet none were handed out, just roughing minors and game misconducts across the board.

So it seems interesting to me that all 10 of those players only received game misconducts and could play the next game, whereas only 4 players in this game get DQed.

oceanst41
So it seems interesting to me that all 10 of those players only received game misconducts and could play the next game, whereas only 4 players in this game get DQed.

When in the game did that happen to the 10? If there were no DQs in this game then essentially there would have been no penalties. On the record yes, but of any importance to the teams, no.

marty

oceanst41
So it seems interesting to me that all 10 of those players only received game misconducts and could play the next game, whereas only 4 players in this game get DQed.

When in the game did that happen to the 10? If there were no DQs in this game then essentially there would have been no penalties. On the record yes, but of any importance to the teams, no.

There was about 3 minutes or so left in the game and North Dakota was up by 3 goals. All players involved were escorted off the ice since even if the game went to OT, the penalties would not have expired.

Also posted here.

Thanks Rita for the date, so 11/10 on that game.

I believe it was NoDak's Kaip took a run at a Wisconsin player who was locked up in the corner with another player digging for the puck. His head was down so this looked pretty bad, though no penalty was called. NoDak got the puck and skated out, when Wisconsin's Turris(?) slashed Kaip as he skated away. This drew the haymaker back at Turris, and you can gather from there how the rest of it went down. There was video up on USCHO for those interested in seeing it.




YouTube - Sorry not Riley Nash's goal

In related news NoDak's Finely also took a cheap shot on Bucky the Badger, someone tell the skating bears to look out.

oceanst41
I figured as much. In the WCHA game I mentioned above the fight started because a slash, which resulted in a haymaker being thrown back at the offending Badger. From there all of the skaters were paired up with someone with at least two of the pairings throwing punches.

But it's OK, because in the WCHA, they only play "pretty hockey" with speed, skill, and pirouettes, so that couldn't possibly be a penalty. Unlike the thuggery in the ECAC, which is basically a cross between sumo wrestling and Ultimate Fighting.

LaJollaRed
Interesting: I wonder if anyone else noticed that Greening left the bench to join the fight, but the team screamed at him to come back. He stopped, seemed to think about it for a second, then sprinted back to the bench. Did anyone else see that?

Was this at the start of the fight or later on? I noticed later on that one of the Cornell players left the bench area when one of the Dartmouth players on the ice near the red line looked to be moving towards the Krueger(?) pairing (probably to try to break it up from the body language, but who knows) and as soon as that player reversed his direction so the Cornell player -- I think it was Greening. Is that what you guys are talking about?

Jim Hyla
Once we flipped the puck, with a high stick, out of our defensive zone (I don't remember who) and they called D'mouth for a high stick and moved the face off down to our offensive end, as if D'mouth did it. Then for some reason they put it outside our offensive red line. Anybody got an explanation? I, and others, thought D'mouth got screwed.

It seemed like they realized that they got the call wrong originally (it was clearly a Cornell high-stick) and had to make it a neutral zone drop. But for some reason I thought that if it was a bad call it was supposed to go to the center faceoff circle?

Isn't this a helpful post... all questions, no answers! Sorry!

I spoke to Colin today and he said that Dartmouth had seven guys in scrum to Cornell's five. He also definitely regretted stepping off the bench (and yes he was called back) because if he had even touched a Dartmouth player, he could have received a DQ.

That said, the whole fight happened as a result of a Dartmouth player (I don't remember if it was Gaudet or Smith) cheap shotting (edit) Gallagher behind the play with under a minute to play. Krueger went after the guy, but no penatlies resulted. Then as time expired on the game, Nicholls gave a Dartmouth player an extra shove into the boards.

I don't think Justin should have been given DQ, especially since he didn't drop his gloves while the Dartmouth player did. As for Scali's scuffle, both players lost their sticks, gloves, and helmets.

Shame they won't play at MSG...for them. As Ari pointed out, with Mugford back, and with the hopeful return of Nash, the team won't be hurt too badly.

amerks127
That said, the whole fight happened as a result of a Dartmouth player (I don't remember if it was Gaudet or Smith) cheap shotting Nicholls behind the play with under a minute to play. Krueger went after the guy, but no penatlies resulted.

I'm nearly certain it was Gallagher, not Nicholls.

crodger1

LaJollaRed
Interesting: I wonder if anyone else noticed that Greening left the bench to join the fight, but the team screamed at him to come back. He stopped, seemed to think about it for a second, then sprinted back to the bench. Did anyone else see that?

Was this at the start of the fight or later on? I noticed later on that one of the Cornell players left the bench area when one of the Dartmouth players on the ice near the red line looked to be moving towards the Krueger(?) pairing (probably to try to break it up from the body language, but who knows) and as soon as that player reversed his direction so the Cornell player -- I think it was Greening. Is that what you guys are talking about?

Jim Hyla
Once we flipped the puck, with a high stick, out of our defensive zone (I don't remember who) and they called D'mouth for a high stick and moved the face off down to our offensive end, as if D'mouth did it. Then for some reason they put it outside our offensive red line. Anybody got an explanation? I, and others, thought D'mouth got screwed.

It seemed like they realized that they got the call wrong originally (it was clearly a Cornell high-stick) and had to make it a neutral zone drop. But for some reason I thought that if it was a bad call it was supposed to go to the center faceoff circle?

Isn't this a helpful post... all questions, no answers! Sorry!

Yes, that's when Greening went out.
And yes, that's what confused me as well. I thought the worst would be a face off at center ice, not at the blue line.

oceanst41


YouTube

How in the world were there no DQs given out for that? People were even taking swings at each other with their sticks still in their hands.

jtwcornell91

oceanst41


YouTube

How in the world were there no DQs given out for that? People were even taking swings at each other with their sticks still in their hands.

Probably because it was a prettier style of fight than what we produce over here in the ECAC.