Defections?

Long-time reader, first time writer here. Love the site, (particularly the positive, constructive posts) and really appreciate the depth of knowledge people have for hockey in general and the Big Red in particular. I would have just remained a reader but I noticed the other day (Tues. 3\27) in the Syracuse Post-Standard Sports that a Ryan Kindret signed with the Memphis Riverkings of the CHL. Usually the elynah faithful are all over this type of news so I waited 'til now to write. I went to the CHL website to find out more but couldn't come up with anything. Anyone know if it's thee Ryan Kindret; can't think there are a lot of professinoal caliber Ryan Kindret's out there. If so, we may need to look into signing one or two more recruits than originaally anticipated.

Press release mentions it here: [www.oursportscentral.com] It also talks about how he came from Cornell University, so it is the Ryan Kindret.

Did Kindret see the ice this year? 1 or 2 games?

[db.elynah.com]

4 games. 11 last year. Perhaps he didn't see much chance of getting significant ice time here, so he decided to try to continue his career in the C.

Wow. As the lone person with a Kindret jersey I've been disappointed that he hasn't been given more playing time. I guess it's best for his hockey career to leave.

As for recruiting, I don't see how this has much of an impact. With the backlog we had this season at forward, it's not critical to find a replacement for someone who saw so little action.

Anyone know any more details?

Edit: team site says it's an "Amateur Try-Out Agreement for the Playoffs"

He got more of an opportunity than Connors did. Now two of Connors's teammates from Nichols are headed to the Frozen Four playing prominent roles for Michigan State.

heard a rumor that Milo will not be invited back to the team next year.

ebilmes
As for recruiting, I don't see how this has much of an impact. With the backlog we had this season at forward, it's not critical to find a replacement for someone who saw so little action.

I think the coaching staff intentionally recruits moer players than can play on the ice at one time. Having extra bodies means you have depth in case of injury and also creates competition for playing time. It's a lot easier to motivate some guys if you can hang threat of being scratched over their heads.

One consequence of this is that some guys aren't going to get ice time and may well want to leave the program in order to play more. Since these guys are the lesser players in the coaching staff's estimation (or at least less suited to playing the system) they are the most readily replaceable.

calgARI '07
Now two of Connors's teammates from Nichols are headed to the Frozen Four playing prominent roles for Michigan State.

Marc Habscheid had some pretty good teammates on the Edmonton Oilers in '81-'82, too.

CowbellGuy

Marc Habscheid had some pretty good teammates on the Edmonton Oilers in '81-'82, too.

How many of them did he outscore?

is this true?

wewantmore
is this true?

I will say that I heard the same rumor about Milo before theforgottencowbell's post, although it might be from the same second/thirdhand source, so I wouldn't exactly call it confirmed just yet.

wow. That would be big news, if true. I thought Milo was really starting to play well as the season wore on, and I imagined that he figured quite prominently in this teams future. I can only imainge that it would take a highly irresponcible act to get him thrown off the team (if there's any merit to the rumor.)

Was Justin one of the freshmen left home for disciplinary reasons (North Country?) last year?

He was. Scrivens, Krueger, Greening, and Scali were the only freshmen to play that weekend. That would mean Milo, Nash, Romano, and Gallagher were the ones left behind.

Maybe he's playing the wrong sport:

Cornell sports profile>>> An accomplished baseball player as well, he was the most valuable player of the Minnesota American Legion state tournament in 2004, an award whose past winners include Dave Winfield and Terry Steinbach. A two-time letter-winner in baseball, he was selected to the Gopher All-Conference team in 2004.

billhoward
Maybe he's playing the wrong sport:

Cornell sports profile>>> An accomplished baseball player as well, he was the most valuable player of the Minnesota American Legion state tournament in 2004, an award whose past winners include Dave Winfield and Terry Steinbach. A two-time letter-winner in baseball, he was selected to the Gopher All-Conference team in 2004.

or his trying to play both sports doesn't work for Schafer.

".....he was selected to the Gopher All-Conference team in 2004."

Oh God, he's a goofer!!!!!!!!!!! That's enough reason to dispatch him.

Giffy

or his trying to play both sports doesn't work for Schafer.

At first I thought you were joking. Cornell Baseball

I can't imagine that makes Schafer happy.

mtmack25

Giffy

or his trying to play both sports doesn't work for Schafer.

At first I thought you were joking. Cornell Baseball

I don't know which games he's played in but so far he is 6 for 8 with a double and a triple. Also 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 SB. And nobody has hit the ball at him because they are afraid! Not a bad start.

mtmack25

Giffy

or his trying to play both sports doesn't work for Schafer.

At first I thought you were joking. Cornell Baseball

I can't imagine that makes Schafer happy.

I'm pretty sure he made it known before he came to Cornell that he was going to play both sports. I remember Ari mentioning it on here.

Jacob '06

mtmack25

Giffy

or his trying to play both sports doesn't work for Schafer.

At first I thought you were joking. Cornell Baseball

I can't imagine that makes Schafer happy.

I'm pretty sure he made it known before he came to Cornell that he was going to play both sports. I remember Ari mentioning it on here.

But if the rumor is true, the fact that he's playing baseball probably rules out an academic/university reason why he isn't being asked back.

Jacob '06

I'm pretty sure he made it known before he came to Cornell that he was going to play both sports. I remember Ari mentioning it on here.

Yeah, you are probably right. This wouldn't be a new development.

redhair34

Jacob '06

mtmack25

Giffy

or his trying to play both sports doesn't work for Schafer.

At first I thought you were joking. Cornell Baseball

I can't imagine that makes Schafer happy.

I'm pretty sure he made it known before he came to Cornell that he was going to play both sports. I remember Ari mentioning it on here.

But if the rumor is true, the fact that he's playing baseball probably rules out an academic/university reason why he isn't being asked back.

You're making it seem as if this is a done deal. I believe it's still just a rumor, correct?

scoop85
You're making it seem as if this is a done deal.

I said "if the rumor is true"

I believe it's still just a rumor, correct?

Yup.

It's hard to hit the ball at him when he's not playing defense. He's only been DH & PH so far.

ugarte

mtmack25

Giffy

or his trying to play both sports doesn't work for Schafer.

At first I thought you were joking. Cornell Baseball

I don't know which games he's played in but so far he is 6 for 8 with a double and a triple. Also 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 SB. And nobody has hit the ball at him because they are afraid! Not a bad start.

WillCMJr
It's hard to hit the ball at him when he's not playing defense. He's only been DH & PH so far.

Well there's your proof! He clearly wants to defect to the WCHA!

This may belong in the other sports forum, but since Milo's baseball career is mentioned here, two-sport athletes had a good day today vs. Brown. Football QB Nathan Ford went 2-3 with 2 RBI and a run scored (plus 1 HBP). Milo went 3-4 with an RBI and a triple.
[cornellbigred.cstv.com]

WillCMJr
It's hard to hit the ball at him when he's not playing defense.

He is playing DH at the request of opposing coaches because they are afraid.

(I figured he was DH/PH (how can someone start two games in the infield and get zero chances> but I didn't want to look it up.)

Insert rant about using the designated hitter in college.

KeithK
Insert rant about using the designated hitter in college.

The National League in MLB is the only league in the world (high school & above) that does not allow a DH in some form today. High School, college, Cape Cod League, the Olympics, Japanese Leagues, Korean Leagues, Latin American leagues all use the Designated Hitter. With interleague play, even the NL teams play a significant number of games with it.

I'm not saying I agree one way or another, just stating fact.

RichH

KeithK
Insert rant about using the designated hitter in college.

The National League in MLB is the only league in the world that does not allow a DH in some form today. High School, college, Cape Cod League, Japanese Leagues, Korean Leagues, Latin American leagues all use the Designated Hitter. With interleague play, even the NL teams play a significant number of games with it.

I'm not saying I agree one way or another, just stating fact.

All of which I am aware of. Considering those other leagues would just make it a bigger rant.

Damn you Ron Blomberg!

KeithK
Insert rant about using the designated hitter in college.

The college DH rule is even more extreme than the AL one. If the starting pitcher bats for himself and is relieved, he's allowed at that point to become the DH. So the game can start without a DH and then get one later.

I forget what it is, but there's some substitution that ought consistently allowed involving the DH, but isn't. I think it involves the pitcher pinch-hitting for someone who's not the DH. If the DH takes a position in the field on defense, that's what effectively happens, right?

RichH

KeithK
Insert rant about using the designated hitter in college.

The National League in MLB is the only league in the world (high school & above) that does not allow a DH in some form today.

Are you not counting American Legion as "high school & above"?

jtwcornell91
Are you not counting American Legion as "high school & above"?

Nice try. I am counting it (I was the official scorekeeper for the NYS American Legion Tournament one year):

[www.baseball.legion.org]

[Q]F. Designated Hitter Rule. All Senior National Tournaments shall use the American League Designated Hitter Rule as published by The Sporting News.


All Junior games, regular and post season play, may use the National High School Federation Designated Hitter Rule, with one exception: The American Legion does not permit re-entry to a game, therefore the DH may not re-enter the game[/Q]

Since this has been updated I doubt it:

[cornellbigred.cstv.com]

WhatWhatWHAT?!? When did Legion ball start allowing the DH? It must have happened sometime after 1995. That's not how we did it back in my day. And you kids get off my lawn!

we had a dh back in the late 80's when i played HS ball and legion ball.. but since our pitchers were often our best players we didnt use the DH..

My high school team was probably one of the only teams in baseball history who DH'd for our first baseman depending on the pitcher. We were...unorthodox.

on the d/l that milo was cut

hockeyfan10
on the d/l that milo was cut

Well that would explain why there are currently 16 (as apposed to the usual 15) forwards slated for next year.

At the same time, it doesn't make alot of sense. As has been mention earlier in the thread, he's currently playing baseball, so this can't be about an academic or conduct infraction. And if it's about him playing baseball, well schafer knew that Milo was going to pay two sports before he brought him in. Why would he change his mind now?

It's a shame if it's true, the kid is talented and I thought he was really starting to put it together down the stretch.

hockeyfan10
on the d/l that milo was cut

Don't let Bothman hear about that. RPI's Seth Appert received a lot of flack recently from him for cutting two players.

ursusminor
RPI's Seth Appert received a lot of flack recently from him for cutting two players.

RPI gives scholarships, right? If you cut a kid, you take away his scholarship. That wouldn't be the case here. If the rumor is true, Milo can continue to attend school on the same terms as before (and play baseball).

FWIW, Milo is now 10 for 22 with a SLG of .727 with 2 steals in 2 attempts. He is leading the team in BA and SLG, albeit in a bench role. Maybe he was cut from the hockey team because he wants to make baseball his #1 sport. Even if Schafer accepted that Milo would be a two-sport athlete, hockey would be the top priority. [/speculation]

ugarte

ursusminor
RPI's Seth Appert received a lot of flack recently from him for cutting two players.

RPI gives scholarships, right? If you cut a kid, you take away his scholarship. That wouldn't be the case here. If the rumor is true, Milo can continue to attend school on the same terms as before (and play baseball).

[www.dailygazette.net]

Seth Appert
Appert said all scholarship commitments to Cyr and Kipp will be honored should they decide to remain at RPI.

Of course, it isn't clear if the "commitment" goes past this semester.

Not that it has ever stopped any of us, but it's futile to speculate about the reasons in the absence of even an official announcement that he's gone. For all we know, the coaching staff is letting him blow off steam and will quietly let him back on the squad later in the summer. As he is a talented player, I'm hoping this is the case.

If you offer someone a scholarship coming in, it's like a four-year contract. The school agrees to foot the bill for four years and if the kid doesn't work out, that's the luck of the recruiting draw. Or has that rule -- understanding? common agreement among scholarhsip schools? -- changed.

You can drop the scholarship for rules infractions, misconduct, flunking out (I think).

billhoward
If you offer someone a scholarship coming in, it's like a four-year contract.

Scholarships are now very often given on a year-to-year basis.

generally, they are 1 year renewable agreements.

hockeyfan10
on the d/l that milo was cut

What the hell is a "d/l"?? Must we be so cryptic to save a couple of keystrokes? Tnx.

d/l means down low...

A good way of keeping potentially sensitive information on the d/l is by posting it on a public forum.

calgARI '07
A good way of keeping potentially sensitive information on the d/l is by posting it on a public forum.

I think the person was saying that the got the info on the d/l, not that this was a way of preserving the d/l.

ugarte

calgARI '07
A good way of keeping potentially sensitive information on the d/l is by posting it on a public forum.

I think the person was saying that the got the info on the d/l, not that this was a way of preserving the d/l.

Right, so if s/he got it on the d/l, then it might be best to keep it there. Again, just because you happen to know something doesn't mean it's best to post it publicly.

When somebody says they got info on the d/l, it means they d/k.

If d/l PM?

Trotsky
When somebody says they got info on the d/l, it means they d/k.

when somebody pretends to have information from the d/l, but infact d/k, they should get the proverbial d/p.

[theithacajournal.com]

"'To benefit both, we just thought we'd part our separate ways in the springtime,' Schafer said about Milo not returning."

No mention of Milo leaving the hockey team in this article in today's (4/19) Sun:

[cornelldailysun.com]

JDeafv
No mention of Milo leaving the hockey team in this article in today's (4/19) Sun:

Which, in light of the IJ article, is a little embarrassing.

As for the IJ article... "Bren-don"?

"The loss of Pokulok and O'Byrne was perhaps missed most..."

Ow ow ow ow OW!!

Beeeej
"The loss of Pokulok and O'Byrne was perhaps missed most..."

Ow ow ow ow OW!!

P-O-K-U-L-O-K. Looks right to me.

Edit: To be clear, yes, I know what you were getting at.

ugarte

JDeafv
No mention of Milo leaving the hockey team in this article in today's (4/19) Sun:

Which, in light of the IJ article, is a little embarrassing.

As for the IJ article... "Bren-don"?

In converting the print article to the Web the IJ system seems to systematically retain the line-break hyphens.

David Harding

ugarte

JDeafv
No mention of Milo leaving the hockey team in this article in today's (4/19) Sun:

Which, in light of the IJ article, is a little embarrassing.

As for the IJ article... "Bren-don"?

In converting the print article to the Web the IJ system seems to systematically retain the line-break hyphens.

I know. It just makes him sound like an immigrant from Krypton.

Does anyone have any solid information on why Milo won't be playing hockey for the Big Red anymore? Very surprised he won't be playing anymore given the hype he came in with and the amount he played as a freshman.

Have there been Red hockey players who played another varsity sport at Cornell?

redredux
Does anyone have any solid information on why Milo won't be playing hockey for the Big Red anymore? Very surprised he won't be playing anymore given the hype he came in with and the amount he played as a freshman.

Have there been Red hockey players who played another varsity sport at Cornell?

Sounds like Schafer didn't want him playing a second sport.

Bill Murray played soccer back in the early 70s, IIRC. Dryden played shortstop for awhile. Players didn't train year-round like they do today.

I didn't get to see Milo play too much. My lasting impression of him is the CU-Harvard game on CSTV. He skated around a Harvard defender like the defender was standing still - twice. Based on that, he will be missed. Are we that full of talent or did he do something bad?

Al DeFlorio
Bill Murray played soccer back in the early 70s, IIRC. Dryden played shortstop for awhile. Players didn't train year-round like they do today.

Do I remember correctly that Brock Tredway (mid-late 70s) played soccer too?

Joe somebody was expected to play lacrosse, but wisely chose ice hockey.

lhayes

Al DeFlorio
Bill Murray played soccer back in the early 70s, IIRC. Dryden played shortstop for awhile. Players didn't train year-round like they do today.

Do I remember correctly that Brock Tredway (mid-late 70s) played soccer too?

and was All-Ivy.

When Ned coached both hockey and lacrosse, a lot of hockey players played both sports.

Roy 82
I didn't get to see Milo play too much. My lasting impression of him is the CU-Harvard game on CSTV. He skated around a Harvard defender like the defender was standing still - twice. Based on that, he will be missed. Are we that full of talent or did he do something bad?

The only bad thing he did was play baseball!

To dismiss a solid 2 way player like this for playing a sport in his off season is moronic by schafer. But maybe in Schafer's eyes playing baseball is a lot worse than rape.

Al DeFlorio

redredux
Does anyone have any solid information on why Milo won't be playing hockey for the Big Red anymore? Very surprised he won't be playing anymore given the hype he came in with and the amount he played as a freshman.

Have there been Red hockey players who played another varsity sport at Cornell?

Sounds like Schafer didn't want him playing a second sport.

Bill Murray played soccer back in the early 70s, IIRC. Dryden played shortstop for awhile. Players didn't train year-round like they do today.

Bill Murray, a defenseman almost as big and almost as talented as Doug Murray, opted not to play soccer his senior year to concentrate on hockey. Unfortunately, this was the least successful team since 1966 (give or take 1971) and I believe never got beyond the first round of the playoffs. This was the turning point for the the team - it never regained its glory for years and years.

The Rancor
Joe somebody was expected to play lacrosse, but wisely chose ice hockey.

Please, that guy's never going to amount to anything.

Matt Herr played both hockey and baseball at Michigan. He was drafted in both sports I believe, though he was a much higher hockey draft choice.

I have no idea if the allegations on this board are true, but I would be a little disappointed if Mike didn't let someone talented play two sports. I'm not convinced that it is true.