BU players attacked

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From what I recall, that's kind of a sketchy area... it's very industrial and dark, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is just random crook-on-student violence. There's certainly the possibility it was some overzealous BC fans, though.

Kyle

A minor downside to going to school in Boston -- rather, a major downside for a small minority of students -- is getting mugged in Boston. Wasn't there a Harvard football player killed celebrating with teammates in the combat zone during, say, the Bush (first) presidency? Not to blame the victims, but 4 am is kind of late to be out.

yeah you gotta figure coach is gonna have a word with them about the 4am thing...

pretty crazy though, i can't believe the girls lax player was hit in the face with a bat... unbelievable.

despite hating BU hockey, i think we can all hope for a quick recovery for all of them.

billhoward
Not to blame the victims, but 4 am is kind of late to be out.

And by saying that, you're placing some of the blame on them. I doubt it's much more likely to happen at 4 am than 2 am on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, and most students/recent grads here could tell you that Collegetown streets are packed at 2 am on a weekend.

If there is one constant in college hockey, it's that Jackie Parker has been hyper-excited about something or other in his four decades of coahing. This one's legit.

Liz '05

billhoward
Not to blame the victims, but 4 am is kind of late to be out.

And by saying that, you're placing some of the blame on them. I doubt it's much more likely to happen at 4 am than 2 am on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, and most students/recent grads here could tell you that Collegetown streets are packed at 2 am on a weekend.

We're talking comparative negligence here. So, yes, I'm placing some of the blame on the victims. Say 2% or 0.2%. [EDIT: That was before seeing the report from BU coach Jackie Parker via USCHO that "the motive was retaliation for a bit of an altercation that took place earlier — like 15 minutes earlier — between one of our guys and two other guys that we don't know." So maybe 20% responsbility for what happened?]

Woman in front of me got killed by a wrong-way driver on the Interstate. (Other guy's BAC 0.17%. Had Kansas' Point of No Return playing. Apt.) She didn't have a seat belt on. She was a victim, blameless legally, but if she'd buckled up, maybe Elena would be alive today, recovered from a broken nose and collarbone. Maybe her estate collected because there's no legal blame attaching (then, before seat belt laws). But still ...

You are right that 4am incidents are less likely than 2am incidents. Bad guys don't work long hours if they can avoid it. If there are cops online I think they can verify crime tapers off around 2 am on weekends.

This account reads a little differently.

[www.uscho.com]

Liz '05

billhoward
Not to blame the victims, but 4 am is kind of late to be out.

And by saying that, you're placing some of the blame on them. I doubt it's much more likely to happen at 4 am than 2 am on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, and most students/recent grads here could tell you that Collegetown streets are packed at 2 am on a weekend.

But that's the point, crowded streets, regardless of the time are much less likely to have an incident like this. After dark, walking in small groups is more dangerous than being in a big crowd. So, yes, they do have some responsibility (a better term than blame, I think).

maybe they can get some quality DA like Nifong to come up to Boston and botch the line up and prosecute some people who were up in Maine at the time of the assualt.

Seriously though, hope the BU team recovers and then is involved in some heartbreaking loss if for no other reason than Boston sports fans are the worst in the world.

Jim Hyla

Liz '05

billhoward
Not to blame the victims, but 4 am is kind of late to be out.

And by saying that, you're placing some of the blame on them. I doubt it's much more likely to happen at 4 am than 2 am on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, and most students/recent grads here could tell you that Collegetown streets are packed at 2 am on a weekend.

But that's the point, crowded streets, regardless of the time are much less likely to have an incident like this. After dark, walking in small groups is more dangerous than being in a big crowd. So, yes, they do have some responsibility (a better term than blame, I think).

Jim, I see your point. For the sake of argument, I'm going to pretend I didn't read the USCHO article that says there was a conflict between the two parties before the attack.

Gathering a huge crowd around probably isn't an option, as most people probably have gotten home and in bed at that point, but it's not like each was walking home solo - obviously a somewhat risky thing to do. I'd feel perfectly comfortable walking around with three big hockey players, and would be confident I was ensuring my safety by surrounding myself with several guys who know how to fight. A group of four is far closer to a crowd than it is to one person in terms of relative safety.

My point, ill-expressed, was that four a.m. is late, but not all that much later than when the typical bar-hopping-then-grease-eating college student makes his or her way home. Throw in an afterparty and some Red Bulls and it's four a.m. I simply think it's unfair to place blame/responsibilty on the student for the timing of the attack.

Now, if we were to discuss their alcohol consumption and how that affected the conflict the USCHO article alluded to...for THAT I will give the injured parties a good deal of the responsibility.

Liz '05
My point, ill-expressed, was that four a.m. is late, but not all that much later than when the typical bar-hopping-then-grease-eating college student makes his or her way home. Throw in an afterparty and some Red Bulls and it's four a.m. I simply think it's unfair to place blame/responsibilty on the student for the timing of the attack.

Maybe not blame, but unfortunately something you have to think about when you live in a city with a crime problem. When I was at Loyola we used to get these periodic "BOLO" emails listing the students that had been mugged recently around campus. And the vast majority of them were walking home from a bar after 1am.

WillR
Seriously though, hope the BU team recovers and then is involved in some heartbreaking loss if for no other reason than Boston sports fans are the worst in the world.

Wow, could you be more of an asshole?

bandrews37

WillR
Seriously though, hope the BU team recovers and then is involved in some heartbreaking loss if for no other reason than Boston sports fans are the worst in the world.

Wow, could you be more of an asshole?

Only if he were one of us Boston sports fans.

jtwcornell91

Liz '05
My point, ill-expressed, was that four a.m. is late, but not all that much later than when the typical bar-hopping-then-grease-eating college student makes his or her way home. Throw in an afterparty and some Red Bulls and it's four a.m. I simply think it's unfair to place blame/responsibilty on the student for the timing of the attack.

Maybe not blame, but unfortunately something you have to think about when you live in a city with a crime problem. When I was at Loyola we used to get these periodic "BOLO" emails listing the students that had been mugged recently around campus. And the vast majority of them were walking home from a bar after 1am.

That's why I thought that responsibility was a better word than blame.

billhoward

Liz '05

billhoward
Not to blame the victims, but 4 am is kind of late to be out.

You are right that 4am incidents are less likely than 2am incidents. Bad guys don't work long hours if they can avoid it. If there are cops online I think they can verify crime tapers off around 2 am on weekends.

Here you are, Bill:

[www.ojp.usdoj.gov]

Not quite the same time intervals you mention, but this is as close as we're going to get from a representative data source. One thing to remember, though: It doesn't mean that kids roaming the streets are necessarily safer after midnight, since there are likely to be fewer of them than before midnight, increasing the likelihood that they'll be potential targets.