Cornell 6 Union 0 postgame (12/2/06)

Awesome game after the weak 3-3 tie with RPI Friday. But Union seemed weak and overmatched.

Good morale booster including the shutout by the backup goalie (Scrivens). Whether Scrivens is really that good, it ought to make other treams nervouse about ouir goaltending depth again.

A couple PPGs after a futile start. About time.

Best 60 mins of the year.

Good way to go into the break.

You have to wonder how Union beat UMass.

New Hampshire Sucks.

Trotsky
Best 60 mins of the year.

I thought they looked pretty solid against Yale. Did they play better tonight?

Killer

Trotsky
Best 60 mins of the year.

I thought they looked pretty solid against Yale. Did they play better tonight?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah.

With the win, Schafer ties Dick Bertrand for most wins as a Cornell coach, if I'm right. He's still one short, if the Daily Sun is right. TDS might actually be right, because Schafer has been suspended for a game at least once.

Trotsky

Killer

Trotsky
Best 60 mins of the year.

I thought they looked pretty solid against Yale. Did they play better tonight?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah.

Then bring on UHN!

Wow, what a solid game.

This was sort of the "best-case scenario" I was imagining at the beginning of the season. This is a team with great speed, puck movement, and offensive ability, combined with the solid D and goaltending of the Schafer era. Of course, you might ask why these elements have been absent from some other games this season, but it's more fun to focus on tonight.

Scrivens was solid. Like his time in net last night, he didn't face too many quality chances, but stopped everything we needed to (should have let in that one goal, but "thanks, ref". It's clear he's pretty unpolished, falling down a bunch of times and coming way out of the net to try and catch a pop fly. I don't know if Troy didn't start because he's still injured, or because Schafer thinks Scrivens is the better option tonight. In any case, I like what I see from Scrivens.

Romano continued to be impressive tonight. Topher's goal was a nice play where the Union D just let him skate in front of the goal.

Union is a bad team. At times they just looked completely overmatched and lost most of the scrambles along the boards.

Three point weekend feels very nice, and hopefully this 6-0 blowout will have our guys thinking happy thoughts until the 29th.

Great win but I have to temper that by saying that Union looked very poor. The red where pretty much able to do whatever they wanted with the puck all-night long...except when they had a man advantage, where they again looked awful. It might even behoove Schafer to pull a man on the PP and go to 4 on 4, as that's when the red looked most dangerous this weekend (1 goal last night, 2 tonight.) This teams strength is in its transition game, and they can't seem to operate well with 9 players skating in the confined space of the offensive zone.

On a separate note, and I never thought I'd say this again after the Robert Morris game, this was the worst Lynah crowd I've ever heard. I've never witnessed so much silence, even on the power play. With 10 minutes to go and Cornell on a powerplay I could easily hear Justin Milo yell: Down low Bitzy, Down low! Thats just pathetic. There was a solid knot of us in the lower part of a along the aisle that made a valiant effort, but it was to little avail. I have to say that I felt a little embarrassed; I always feel that we have a reputation to uphold, and that was not done tonight.

My dad, ever the analyst, pointed out that after falling behind 3-0 last night, we scored 9 straight goals.

ebilmes
My dad, ever the analyst, pointed out that after falling behind 3-0 last night, we scored 9 straight goals.

We noted on the game thread that the last time Cornell scored 10 unanswered goals, they then immediately lost the 2 QF games against Clarkson in March '05. Memento Mori.

Trotsky

ebilmes
My dad, ever the analyst, pointed out that after falling behind 3-0 last night, we scored 9 straight goals.

We noted on the game thread that the last time Cornell scored 10 unanswered goals, they then immediately lost the 2 QF games against Clarkson in March '05. Memento Mori.

I seem to recall a happier ending in '05... until Barry Tallickson that is...

That team was horrible. Cornell did play very well and did so for 60 minutes. (Still think the Yale game was their best.) That first powerplay unit is still horrendous. Scrivens wasn't tested a whole lot but did make some good saves on the two man disadvantage in the second period. Still zero continuity with the lines except for a couple of pairs. Good way to go into the break but there is still a ton of work to do. Still can't really figure out the identity of this team and I think they're still trying to figure it out themselves. We'll get a very idea of this team in Florida.

If someone had told me at the beginning of the season, they'd be 8-3-1 going into the break I would have been happy.

calgARI '07
If someone had told me at the beginning of the season, they'd be 8-3-1 going into the break I would have been happy.

That's the bottom line. They go into break 2nd in conference:

.833 SLU
.688 Cornell
.667 Clarkson
.625 Quinnipiac
----
.556 Dartmouth
.500 Yale
.500 RPI
.438 Colgate
----
.417 Brown
.313 Princeton
.250 Union
.222 Harvard

We finally came out with energy for the first time since the Harvard game. I was happy with the hustle. Schafer must've said something because I haven't seen that energy in a while. We got to almost every puck first, and while Union might just be horrible, it was great to see some confidence and the willingness to push to get to the puck first. I thought Scrivens wasn't tested at all, but he seemed OK.

I agree about the crowd. The LGR cheers we tried to start in A died down waaay too quickly, and I heard the Bitzy as well.

I'm happy going into the new year. And the ushers were nice in wishing us all a happy holiday. I'm less annoyed at them because I got to yell as loudly as I wanted and nothing was said to me.

RazzBaronZ
I'm happy going into the new year.

Easy...

RazzBaronZ
Schafer must've said something because I haven't seen that energy in a while.

Look at the times of the first five goals:

1st period:

:42, 3:01

2nd period:

1:45

3rd period:

2:37, 5:48

Whatever he and the captains were saying was highly motivational.

evilnaturedrobot
On a separate note, and I never thought I'd say this again after the Robert Morris game, this was the worst Lynah crowd I've ever heard. I've never witnessed so much silence, even on the power play. With 10 minutes to go and Cornell on a powerplay I could easily hear Justin Milo yell: Down low Bitzy, Down low! Thats just pathetic. There was a solid knot of us in the lower part of a along the aisle that made a valiant effort, but it was to little avail. I have to say that I felt a little embarrassed; I always feel that we have a reputation to uphold, and that was not done tonight.

Yeah, the crowd was bad. Maybe I just haven't picked up on this in the past, but when they let people back in after the anthems, a stream of 30 people comes in down the A-B aisle. My friends and I have taken to moving down a row because the people in front of us come in way after the puck drops.

I noticed Ari's frustration at times tonight, and I'll echo that. It's honestly not too much to ask that people clap their hands and say "Let's Go Red" every few minutes. Too many simple cheers die out quickly or never even get off the ground. It limits your creativity when you know that it will be nearly impossible to get the people around you to join in anything, much less something new.

ebilmes

RazzBaronZ
I'm happy going into the new year.

Easy...

I didn't mean I think we are the best team ever after this game, just that it's nice to win a game before I don't see Cornell hockey for over a month.

RazzBaronZ

ebilmes

RazzBaronZ
I'm happy going into the new year.

Easy...

I didn't mean I think we are the best team ever after this game, just that it's nice to win a game before I don't see Cornell hockey for over a month.

I just thought you were looking past the Florida games (they happen before the new year). Agree with you that it's nice to win our last home game for a while.

Very consistent performance by Schafer's teams at the 8-game ECAC mark:

96 4-1-3
97 6-2-0
98 4-3-1
99 4-2-2
00 4-4-0
01 5-2-1
02 5-2-1
03 7-1-0
04 5-1-2
05 5-2-1
06 5-2-1
07 5-2-1

59-24-13 .682

RazzBaronZ
We finally came out with energy for the first time since the Harvard game. I was happy with the hustle. Schafer must've said something because I haven't seen that energy in a while. We got to almost every puck first, and while Union might just be horrible, it was great to see some confidence and the willingness to push to get to the puck first. I thought Scrivens wasn't tested at all, but he seemed OK.

I agree about the crowd. The LGR cheers we tried to start in A died down waaay too quickly, and I heard the Bitzy as well.

I'm happy going into the new year. And the ushers were nice in wishing us all a happy holiday. I'm less annoyed at them because I got to yell as loudly as I wanted and nothing was said to me.

Hustle, energy and work was much more evident.
Respectfully disagree about Scrivens. I thought it could have easily been a 6-3 win for us if not for great saves by him. Thats not to say they got alot of good quality chances but they threw it at him a few times there that a lesser goalie would have had some serious trouble with. I can remember several 13 save performances by LeNeveu with stifling defense that was lauded more than Scrivens tonite.

I agree that it bodes well for us to have confidence in more than one goalie.

This was Scrivens' first start, right (though he has played before)? Has another Cornell goalie pitched a shutout in their first start? Just curious but no time to look it up.

We got some help out of town tonight for the polls (and yes, we all know the polls don't matter, but it's a month until the next game so what else is there to talk about?)

08 Denver swept by CC
09 BU tied UMass, lost to BC
10 SCSU swept MTU
11 NoDak won an exhibition
12 MSU split with OSU
13 Cornell
14 UAF lost to Notre Dame
15 CC swept Denver

CC should move up, but Denver, BU and MSU may all drop below Cornell.

About the crowd, I think you can give them some slack considering that the team looked so much better than Union. It's hard to keep up a lot of intensity when you are blowing the team away. I'm just glad that the team could keep up their intensity; we didn't need the fans today

I'll bet the crowd could have found intensity all the way the end of 6-0 against Harvard. Just saying the perceived rivalry definitely comes into play.

I agree in general about an overall lack of volume from the student sections tonight...however, I would like to give major props to whomever it was at the top of D that started an excellent "Hey Mrazek...your mom/dad/dental hygienist, etc. called" chant that went on loud and strong for about 7 or 8 verses...first time I've heard repetitive and effective cheering like that in Lynah all season.

Trotsky
Very consistent performance by Schafer's teams at the 8-game ECAC mark:

96 4-1-3
97 6-2-0
98 4-3-1
99 4-2-2
00 4-4-0
01 5-2-1
02 5-2-1
03 7-1-0
04 5-1-2
05 5-2-1
06 5-2-1
07 5-2-1

59-24-13 .682

so in 11 years we have only won more than five 2 times, and lost less than 2 twice. this team will win the NC$$!! (its a joke woofing god! a joke!)
i think we should be undefeated, but i'm looking forward to a shot at both UNH and Maine.

How would you feel if someone told you Harvard would be in last??

TimV
How would you feel if someone told you Harvard would be in last??

Sad that the ECAC now lets everyone into the playoffs?

Yeh, you're right...that'll screw up the second round matchups, maybe....

I agree, the crowd of late has been awful. This is my third season with season tickets in the student section and the fans this year are by far the worst. Credit Mr. Noel for the lottery process which does not give tickets to the "Faithful".

I agree... When you're up 4-0 or 5-0 early in the third and really dominating the game, the crowd is going to be relatively quiet. I thought the faithful(at least from my perspective in section A) were OK for the most part, all things considered.

As for game analysis...
I thought Union was pretty terrible (esp. their goaltending- definitely missing Mayotte in a big way). Additionally, we were winning every battle on the boards and basically imposing our will with every puck possession. I don't think they did anything well, with the exception of making penalties as obvious as possible (someone should really explain to them what interference is). If we didn't win this game, we would have serious issues. Playing well earned us the shutout.

sah67
I agree in general about an overall lack of volume from the student sections tonight...however, I would like to give major props to whomever it was at the top of D that started an excellent "Hey Mrazek...your mom/dad/dental hygienist, etc. called" chant that went on loud and strong for about 7 or 8 verses...first time I've heard repetitive and effective cheering like that in Lynah all season.

happy to help out in anyway i can. Thanks for being part of the cheer. There was one complaint about the cheer from the redcoats though i talked to a few others and they didn't care nor apparently did some of their bosses.

Cactus12
I agree... When you're up 4-0 or 5-0 early in the third and really dominating the game, the crowd is going to be relatively quiet.

I don't understand this at all, at least for the students. When your team is dominating the opponents it should be easy to scream and cheer and generally make fun of the other guys. That's how I remember it anyway.

KeithK

Cactus12
I agree... When you're up 4-0 or 5-0 early in the third and really dominating the game, the crowd is going to be relatively quiet.

I don't understand this at all, at least for the students. When your team is dominating the opponents it should be easy to scream and cheer and generally make fun of the other guys. That's how I remember it anyway.

Maybe, but at the same time, when you're up like that, you feel like you know you'll win (though, anything is possible) and the team doesn't exactly need your support. In a close game, maybe the added edge from the crowd will make a difference. Against a last-place team, up 5-0 in the 3rd, the intensity just isn't there. And believe it or not, you eventually start to feel a little bad for a terrible team if you tell them they're terrible all night.

RatushnyFan
This was Scrivens' first start, right (though he has played before)? Has another Cornell goalie pitched a shutout in their first start? Just curious but no time to look it up.

11/19/83 Don Fawcett, 5-0 over Wilfrid Laurier
12/3/60 Laing Kennedy, 9-0 over Pennsylvania

ACM
11/19/83 Don Fawcett, 5-0 over Wilfrid Laurier
12/3/60 Laing Kennedy, 9-0 over Pennsylvania

That thar is one heckuva range of goaltending talent...

KeithK

Cactus12
I agree... When you're up 4-0 or 5-0 early in the third and really dominating the game, the crowd is going to be relatively quiet.

I don't understand this at all, at least for the students. When your team is dominating the opponents it should be easy to scream and cheer and generally make fun of the other guys. That's how I remember it anyway.

Just think of how loud it gets at the end of a one goal game, certainly more than if you're up by 3. I was impressed how loud it was at the end of last night's game. However, I think that was because we finally put it all together.

ACM

RatushnyFan
This was Scrivens' first start, right (though he has played before)? Has another Cornell goalie pitched a shutout in their first start? Just curious but no time to look it up.

11/19/83 Don Fawcett, 5-0 over Wilfrid Laurier
12/3/60 Laing Kennedy, 9-0 over Pennsylvania

So the next time we can expect a first-time starter to pitch a shutout will be the year 2029. Good to know.

our ushers were wondering why there were so few people in the rink for the first hour... conclusion: tickets said 7:00 in one spot and 8:00 in another - a lot of people just showed up an hour late! that being said, I still agree that showing up at 7:00 (or 8:00) is too late. one of the best times to heckle goalies is during warmups, when they can really hear us!

gatitita '05
our ushers were wondering why there were so few people in the rink for the first hour... conclusion: tickets said 7:00 in one spot and 8:00 in another - a lot of people just showed up an hour late! that being said, I still agree that showing up at 7:00 (or 8:00) is too late. one of the best times to heckle goalies is during warmups, when they can really hear us!

Warmups are a great time to start trying to get into the opposing team's head. It's very easy for sound to carry when very few people are there. A "sway...sway...sway" cheer by the band when the U players were leaning side-to-side before going onto the ice got some looks, as did comments about U's excellent game against Colgate last night. The brass-playing-on-each-shot also goads the other team into trying to do fake-outs. The more people we can get there for warmups, the better.

Trotsky
With the win, Schafer ties Dick Bertrand for most wins as a Cornell coach, if I'm right. He's still one short, if the Daily Sun is right. TDS might actually be right, because Schafer has been suspended for a game at least once.

You're not right - Schafer is still one shy, as Bertrand has 230 and Schafer has 229.

bandrews37

Trotsky
With the win, Schafer ties Dick Bertrand for most wins as a Cornell coach, if I'm right. He's still one short, if the Daily Sun is right. TDS might actually be right, because Schafer has been suspended for a game at least once.

You're not right - Schafer is still one shy, as Bertrand has 230 and Schafer has 229.

You've counted them personally?

billhoward
Whether Scrivens is really that good, it ought to make other treams nervouse about ouir goaltending depth again.

He is THAT GOOD.

Jim Hyla
About the crowd, I think you can give them some slack considering that the team looked so much better than Union. It's hard to keep up a lot of intensity when you are blowing the team away. I'm just glad that the team could keep up their intensity; we didn't need the fans today

I'll keep saying this until we get it right.

we're chanting everything too fast. Especially:

sieve sieve sieve sieve.... it's all your fault. it's all your fault. etc...

It may seem like the crowd sucks. But when the count is high (>2), then it's definitely the drummer's fault. He's responsible for setting up the beat in the beginning when we're counting up the goals (and he always does it too fast).

The crowd did seem very quiet over the A-A cast this weekend. It seems like the period around and immediately after Thanksgiving is the low point every year. Some reasons:

1. The initial enthusiasm of the first few weekends dissipates. This is especially true when Fish N Fowl is the first home league weekend.

2. Break. Empty seats make only slightly more noise than Harvard fans.

3. Newbies starting to find their voices. The first weekend or so, the newbies don't know what to do and absord the atmosphere. Around now, they've hit Stage II, in which they think it's clever to shout "Sucks!" 7000 times a game. By late January, some will be moving into Stage III, and coming up with creative stuff.

4. Natural selection. Kids are still competing to become "that funny guy in our section." The losers (see "Sucks!" comment above) haven't been screened out yet. It'll happen.

5. Low intensity games. It's early so conference clutch games seem far away (an illusion, but a powerful one). Wayne State doesn't inspire visceral hatred from anybody.

So, keep educating the facetimers and leading the cheering if you have something fun and original to contribute, and don't panic -- the crowd has its own breaking in period every year.

Oat
It may seem like the crowd sucks. But when the count is high (>2), then it's definitely the drummer's fault. He's responsible for setting up the beat in the beginning when we're counting up the goals (and he always does it too fast).

This may sound defensive, but I have to stick up for the band.

Blaming one percussionist for this cheer speeding up just like every other cheer (or anything for that matter) in Lynah is crazy... We lay down a beat, its everyone around us that are taking it and cranking the sucker up to ridiculous speed.

I agree with Oat that the beat laid down by the drummer for counting out the goals was way too fast last night. If the drummer slowed down, it would be a start on getting the crowd to slow down.

Even close by in section B, on the "let's go red" cheers that follow penalties/opposing goals/etc, most of the people are clapping at a COMPLETELY different beat than the drummer. Always confuses me b/c I don't know whether I should just go with the crowd or try to stick with the drummer and be the only one at that tempo.

lhayes
I agree with Oat that the beat laid down by the drummer for counting out the goals was way too fast last night. If the drummer slowed down, it would be a start on getting the crowd to slow down.

I don't think anyone is listening to the drummer. At Princeton the chants were too fast and there was no drummer. In fact, I've never heard the drummer, we just chanted slower back in my day.

You kids hit the ball over my fence and I'm not giving it back!

Jim Hyla
About the crowd, I think you can give them some slack considering that the team looked so much better than Union. It's hard to keep up a lot of intensity when you are blowing the team away. I'm just glad that the team could keep up their intensity; we didn't need the fans today

I think there's some truth to this, but at the same time the crowd was much louder for the york game, which was a 10-1 trouncing that didn't even count.


For those complaining about the spead up pace of chants (and I agree) you'll be happy to know that we did get two really slow sieve chants going in A, though I can't say that too many fans joined in.

ebilmes

bandrews37

Trotsky
With the win, Schafer ties Dick Bertrand for most wins as a Cornell coach, if I'm right. He's still one short, if the Daily Sun is right. TDS might actually be right, because Schafer has been suspended for a game at least once.

You're not right - Schafer is still one shy, as Bertrand has 230 and Schafer has 229.

You've counted them personally?

If I said yes, I in fact have, you wouldn't believe me anyway.

I would also say that it's not the drummer's fault. Sure, starting at a slower tempo would remedy the situation; however, the drummer's currently chosen beat is fine until the clapping and cheering starts to rush. Unfortunately, the drums are not heard very well at the other end of the rink, which only adds to the confusion.

canuck89
I would also say that it's not the drummer's fault. Sure, starting at a slower tempo would remedy the situation; however, the drummer's currently chosen beat is fine until the clapping and cheering starts to rush. Unfortunately, the drums are not heard very well at the other end of the rink, which only adds to the confusion.

People can barely maintain tempo on Davy, much less a Let's Go Red or Sieve that lends itself to speeding up.

No fault of the drummer, IMO.

Maybe they should put a microphone on the drums. It is impossible to hear in F. In fact, I didn't even know those chants started with a drummer until reading this discussion.

it's really only after a penalty is called that lets go red starts with the drum, all others are crowd generated.

dietlbomb
Maybe they should put a microphone on the drums. It is impossible to hear in F. In fact, I didn't even know those chants started with a drummer until reading this discussion.

I'm surprised you can't hear us-- maybe there does need to be some kind of speaker system on the far side, because I can't really play much louder.

Sorry if the goal counting tempo is responsible for the speed-up, though I felt like I was taking the beat from A on that part, not the other way around...

OliverIsTheMan
I'm surprised you can't hear us-- maybe there does need to be some kind of speaker system on the far side, because I can't really play much louder.

You are?

I can vouch that you can't hear the band in all that much detail (especially details like drumbeats when the crowd is loud) from sections E, F, G, since at least 1999. Same goes for the cowbell.

DeltaOne81
I can vouch that you can't hear the band in all that much detail (especially details like drumbeats when the crowd is loud) from sections E, F, G, since at least 1999. Same goes for the cowbell.

Strongly, strongly agreed.

I stood in G for every game this season except for Saturday when I snuck over to D, and in neither place could I hear the band (or the cowbell, Ari) loud enough to overcome the crappy, off-tempo clapping of the crowd around me.

Except for the twin issues of being farther from the opposing goalie for two periods and not wanting to destroy the hearing of the townies in front of them, I think the ideal place for the band would be at the top of section M; section C would also be better, but has the problem that the players and coaches wouldn't be able to hear each other. So maybe a repeater in section F would be the best alternative. I think it really would improve consistency enough to make the effort worthwhile.

Kyle

I just sat in section H on Friday, my first time outside of section A since becoming a Cornell student. I was indeed surprised at how little of the band could be heard on the other end of the rink. We just don't think about that sort of thing.

However, the bass drum and quads are actually audible from that end of the rink (edit: but possibly not from within E-F, with loud cheering happening). They're not as in-your-face as section A, so you need to listen for them pretty hard, but they are there. I doubt speakers would ever happen, though an electric cowbell would be pretty sweet

I also fail to see what's wrong with an up-tempo Davy and "sieve, it's all your fault" after a goal. If a "Let's go red" cheer is too fast, then it dies off too quickly (which I hate), but a post-goal celebration isn't going to die off early. I think the band's normal tempo is just fine, and when it's a little faster due to an exciting goal, the crowd (around A-B, at least) almost always responds by chanting even louder than usual when Davy is over.

evilnaturedrobot
For those complaining about the spead up pace of chants (and I agree) you'll be happy to know that we did get two really slow sieve chants going in A, though I can't say that too many fans joined in.

Those are great. I can imagine them getting very disconcerting to a goalie if they're loud and extended.

KP '06
I also fail to see what's wrong with an up-tempo Davy and "sieve, it's all your fault" after a goal. If a "Let's go red" cheer is too fast, then it dies off too quickly (which I hate), but a post-goal celebration isn't going to die off early. I think the band's normal tempo is just fine, and when it's a little faster due to an exciting goal, the crowd (around A-B, at least) almost always responds by chanting even louder than usual when Davy is over.

Wrong is, of course, a relatiev term. A slow steady chant just sounds better IMO. Counting slowly and chanting slowly makes the words almost intelligible and emphasizes them. Going through the chant quickly makes it little different from a just a burst of noise. Which isn't bad, but if all you're going to get is a burst of noise why bother with a scripted cheer? The faster one will die out faster too - the post-goal celebration will end sooner.

ebilmes
It limits your creativity when you know that it will be nearly impossible to get the people around you to join in anything, much less something new.

It also limits your creativity when LGR is the only chant people ever start. If I recall correctly, we do have other chants in our repertoire.

The younger fans won't know any better if the older fans don't show them the way. You can't blame them for a lack in creativity.

In case anyone needs a refresher:

[www.elynah.com]

Among others, please see the "Goalie / Sieve" section -- that cheer has all but died out completely.

HeafDog
The younger fans won't know any better if the older fans don't show them the way. You can't blame them for a lack in creativity.

I agree with you that we should be doing a more diverse assortment of cheers to set an example for the "newer" fans. After my friend and I started a Black Hole cheer on Saturday, someone asked us what the cheer was and wanted to learn how to do it.

ebilmes

HeafDog
The younger fans won't know any better if the older fans don't show them the way. You can't blame them for a lack in creativity.

I agree with you that we should be doing a more diverse assortment of cheers to set an example for the "newer" fans. After my friend and I started a Black Hole cheer on Saturday, someone asked us what the cheer was and wanted to learn how to do it.

Excellent!

Did you put in a plug for ELynah, and the cheers page?

HeafDog
Among others, please see the "Goalie / Sieve" section -- that cheer has all but died out completely.

Well, it may just be that it's hard to do "Goalie / Sieve" when Davenport has let in 3 quick goals. How about "Good Sieve / Bad Sieve"?

ebilmes

HeafDog
The younger fans won't know any better if the older fans don't show them the way. You can't blame them for a lack in creativity.

I agree with you that we should be doing a more diverse assortment of cheers to set an example for the "newer" fans. After my friend and I started a Black Hole cheer on Saturday, someone asked us what the cheer was and wanted to learn how to do it.

I also liked the resurrection of "[Golaie] is a great big sieve" chant over in A on Saturday. It worked pretty well. I haven't heard that one in a looong time.

RazzBaronZ
I also liked the resurrection of "[Goalie] is a great big sieve" chant over in A on Saturday. It worked pretty well. I haven't heard that one in a looong time.

Well, that's because it's really only supposed to be fired up if we've scored five or more. Four is kind of pushing it. And we know how often we tally five or more -- not that often. Hence the rarity.

I'm not starting a new topic because no one responds to polls anymore.

USCHO: Cornell moves up one spot to #12

USAToday: Also move up one to #12

Everblades (Florida) Outlook:
UNH #2
Maine #3
Cornell #12
Western Michigan

Also, we might see more UNH fans there this year:
[www.alumni.unh.edu]

IMHO electrical enhancement of the band is a road we don't want to go down. Today a loudspeaker in F, tomorrow a bass player with an amp.

You know, I really think we can reach a higher level of performance (as a crowd) when we're blowing them out. Think of the number of cheers we can use in that case. Great big sieve, good goalie/bad goalie, black hole, embarrassment to X hockey, etc. Even the 9 o'clock on a friday night business, if we have the SO. It's also when we're most likely to get into the sieve's head.

It's too bad that the rest of the crowd doesn't get into those games as much. Obviously, it's much more important to be supportive and loud during a close game or a comeback. It would be great, though, if we could do it during both.

My favorite is when we're blowing out a league team with a goalie we'll see at home again. That's when we establish that Lynah advantage. Make that guy really really reluctant to play here again.

If the band was in G or H, they would perhaps be heard throughout the rink. But as they are the ones who do a lot of the taunting, expecially before a game, I would hate to see them leave A.

imafrshmn
If the band was in G or H, they would perhaps be heard throughout the rink. But as they are the ones who do a lot of the taunting, expecially before a game, I would hate to see them leave A.

Before the renovation, things could have gone back to the opposing goalie being at the H end for periods 1 and 3. Probably a little harder to justify now that the opposing bench has such a disadvantage in the odd period.

Kyle

I always like to remind opposing players that they're not living up to their own team's legacy. For example... telling Mrazek that he's a disgrace and that Union never got blown away like this when Mayotte was around.

This is the point where I start fondly reminiscing about goal celebrations that used to go on forever, with relatively slowly-chanted "sieves" that died out on their own (way past seven) and "it's all your faults" that only got going when people got tired of yelling "sieve."

Ah, the good ol' days when Lynah wasn't almost as regimented sounding as Yost...

Cactus12
I always like to remind opposing players that they're not living up to their own team's legacy. For example... telling Mrazek that he's a disgrace and that Union never got blown away like this when Mayotte was around.

I love it! I'll have to remember to do that (perhaps in Florida? hmm...I may need to study for those games)

Liz '05

Cactus12
I always like to remind opposing players that they're not living up to their own team's legacy. For example... telling Mrazek that he's a disgrace and that Union never got blown away like this when Mayotte was around.

I love it! I'll have to remember to do that (perhaps in Florida? hmm...I may need to study for those games)

If the Maine goalie is having a bad night maybe something like: "If you keep playing like that the closest you will get to pro hockey is fetching coffee for Garth Snow".

Former Maine goalies:
Garth Snow [NYI GM, likes to give big contracts to overrated (?) goalies]
Mike Dunham
Jimmy Howard

Rita

Former Maine goalies:
Garth Snow [NYI GM, likes to give big contracts to overrated (?) goalies]
Mike Dunham
Jimmy Howard

Snow has nothing to do with any of the contracts on the Islanders right now. Owner Charles Wang was totally 100% behind the ludicrous Dipietro contract. Both Wang and Snow's predecessor Mike Milbury were responsible for Yashin's ludicrous contract.

Cactus12
I always like to remind opposing players that they're not living up to their own team's legacy. For example... telling Mrazek that he's a disgrace and that Union never got blown away like this when Mayotte was around.

That reminds me of one of my favorite cheers. A few years back at a game at Princeton a Cornell fan shouted out (I may be guilty of some paraphrasing): "Hey, Princeton, Hobey Baker called and said, 'Stop ruining my legacy!'"

Liz '05

Cactus12
I always like to remind opposing players that they're not living up to their own team's legacy. For example... telling Mrazek that he's a disgrace and that Union never got blown away like this when Mayotte was around.

I love it! I'll have to remember to do that (perhaps in Florida? hmm...I may need to study for those games)

My favorite one of those was directed at Martin Kariya, possibly in Florida: "Hey Martin, you're so bad, you must be adopted!"

Dafatone
...And believe it or not, you eventually start to feel a little bad for a terrible team if you tell them they're terrible all night.

At one point, after a particularly bad turnover by Union, the guy behind me said, somewhat wistfully "Poor Union, they just can't do anything right".

Yeah, you do start to feel a little bad for the other team when they look so completely outmatched. I guess it helps if you once played on a team that got totally wiped by somebody else.

On Union's side, they are way young, only 2 seniors on the roster. So, they may well (and let's hope they do) improve over the season and into the future.

CK

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Trotsky
With the win, Schafer ties Dick Bertrand for most wins as a Cornell coach, if I'm right. He's still one short, if the Daily Sun is right. TDS might actually be right, because Schafer has been suspended for a game at least once.

You're not right - Schafer is still one shy, as Bertrand has 230 and Schafer has 229.

You've counted them personally?

If I said yes, I in fact have, you wouldn't believe me anyway.

It's still a fair thing to wonder: On what basis do you say "you're not right"? On most things statistical, I would trust Trotsky much farther than I would trust the Daily Sun or the Ithaca Journal. Do you have a basis for saying Trotsky isn't right other than the fact that the newspapers appear to disagree with him?

Beeeej
It's still a fair thing to wonder: On what basis do you say "you're not right"? On most things statistical, I would trust Trotsky much farther than I would trust the Daily Sun or the Ithaca Journal. Do you have a basis for saying Trotsky isn't right other than the fact that the newspapers appear to disagree with him?

As I posted here, TBRW has a discrepancy between the individual game results and the overall record for the 1972-73 season. The suspensions are irrelevant; the head coach is credited with the game results whether he was behind the bench or not. Bertrand's total includes one game that Cornell won with Laing Kennedy running the team on a night when Bertrand was ill.

ACM

Beeeej
It's still a fair thing to wonder: On what basis do you say "you're not right"? On most things statistical, I would trust Trotsky much farther than I would trust the Daily Sun or the Ithaca Journal. Do you have a basis for saying Trotsky isn't right other than the fact that the newspapers appear to disagree with him?

As I posted here, TBRW has a discrepancy between the individual game results and the overall record for the 1972-73 season. The suspensions are irrelevant; the head coach is credited with the game results whether he was behind the bench or not. Bertrand's total includes one game that Cornell won with Laing Kennedy running the team on a night when Bertrand was ill.

I may have glossed over your post because while it pointed out the locations of the errors, it didn't offer corrected numbers, so I would have had to do actual work to figure out what the corrected numbers should be.

So as soon as Trotsky fixes the overall record for 1972-73, he'll have it right, and Schafer is in fact still one win behind Bertrand. Thanks!

Beeeej

ACM

Beeeej
It's still a fair thing to wonder: On what basis do you say "you're not right"? On most things statistical, I would trust Trotsky much farther than I would trust the Daily Sun or the Ithaca Journal. Do you have a basis for saying Trotsky isn't right other than the fact that the newspapers appear to disagree with him?

As I posted here, TBRW has a discrepancy between the individual game results and the overall record for the 1972-73 season. The suspensions are irrelevant; the head coach is credited with the game results whether he was behind the bench or not. Bertrand's total includes one game that Cornell won with Laing Kennedy running the team on a night when Bertrand was ill.

I may have glossed over your post because while it pointed out the locations of the errors, it didn't offer corrected numbers, so I would have had to do actual work to figure out what the corrected numbers should be.

So as soon as Trotsky fixes the overall record for 1972-73, he'll have it right, and Schafer is in fact still one win behind Bertrand. Thanks!

Thank you, both. It will de duly updated.

CKinsland

Yeah, you do start to feel a little bad for the other team when they look so completely outmatched.
CK

Of course, having watched the perennially mediocre, at best, Skating Dutchmen win in Lynah in 05 and tie in 04 (not to mention the 3-0 beating in their building in 04) has removed any feelings of pity I might have for them.

BCrespi
Of course, having watched the perennially mediocre, at best, Skating Dutchmen win in Lynah in 05 and tie in 04 (not to mention the 3-0 beating in their building in 04) has removed any feelings of pity I might have for them.

Going into the weekend, the game I was less concerned about was in fact RPI, for this very reason. I just never know what to expect when Cornell plays Union: you'd think we should paste them to the ice every time, but it doesn't seem to go down that way except on rare instances like last weekend's drubbing. I think this is the clearest on-going proof of the woofing gods' existence, the most recent one-offs being Wayne State and Minnesota vs. Holy Cross.

Cheers,
Kyle

Beeeej

ACM

Beeeej
It's still a fair thing to wonder: On what basis do you say "you're not right"? On most things statistical, I would trust Trotsky much farther than I would trust the Daily Sun or the Ithaca Journal. Do you have a basis for saying Trotsky isn't right other than the fact that the newspapers appear to disagree with him?

As I posted here, TBRW has a discrepancy between the individual game results and the overall record for the 1972-73 season. The suspensions are irrelevant; the head coach is credited with the game results whether he was behind the bench or not. Bertrand's total includes one game that Cornell won with Laing Kennedy running the team on a night when Bertrand was ill.

I may have glossed over your post because while it pointed out the locations of the errors, it didn't offer corrected numbers, so I would have had to do actual work to figure out what the corrected numbers should be.

So as soon as Trotsky fixes the overall record for 1972-73, he'll have it right, and Schafer is in fact still one win behind Bertrand. Thanks!

This is assumed to be the forfeit win over BU, right? And no one is advocating that Bertrand shouldn't get credit for that win, right?

krose
Going into the weekend, the game I was less concerned about was in fact RPI, for this very reason. I just never know what to expect when Cornell plays Union: you'd think we should paste them to the ice every time, but it doesn't seem to go down that way except on rare instances like last weekend's drubbing.

Kyle's right. Union replaced Army in the ECAC in 1991-92. Their first league win ever was 2/22/92 at Lynah Rink. Union had six total wins their first two years at Division 1...two of them vs. Cornell. The Dutchmen had 4 or fewer ECAC wins in four out of their first seven seasons (we're talking historically bad) and Cornell's record vs. Union in those seven seasons was 5-7-2. It was awful. Luckily, CU swept them in '99 (as Union was headed to a stellar 3-point season) to even the record for the decade.

I think we're the only fans to have ever feared Union. We felt cursed against them. I have no pity.

a friend of mine was at the RPI game as an RPI fan, and they were wondering when we practice the cheers, especially the "sieve, its all your fault" because, they said, it was SO clear, even as fast as it was. If the cheer has energy, and is still audible and comprehensible, whats the problem? we're excited, we just scored!

gatitita '05
If the cheer has energy, and is still audible and comprehensible, whats the problem?

The problem is that the counting of the goals and the "we want more" aren't audible and comprehensible. These parts have a far longer tradition, and IMO are a better expression of excitement (and charming to boot).

gatitita '05
a friend of mine was at the RPI game as an RPI fan, and they were wondering when we practice the cheers, especially the "sieve, its all your fault" because, they said, it was SO clear, even as fast as it was.

Hilarious. We'll make sure to mention that at Thursday's Faithful rehearsal. It's at Barton this week, right?