Ned Harkness to be honored at RPI

Ned Harkness is to be the third honoree in RPI's Ring of Honor. [www.rpiathletics.com] Why the 'Tute is doing this during the Colgate game instead of waiting a day until Cornell is in town is beyond me.

ursusminor
Ned Harkness is to be the third honoree in RPI's Ring of Honor. [www.rpiathletics.com] Why the 'Tute is doing this during the Colgate game instead of waiting a day until Cornell is in town is beyond me.

It's possible that didn't fit with Ned's schedule.

Beeeej

ursusminor
Ned Harkness is to be the third honoree in RPI's Ring of Honor. [www.rpiathletics.com] Why the 'Tute is doing this during the Colgate game instead of waiting a day until Cornell is in town is beyond me.

It's possible that didn't fit with Ned's schedule.

True, but do you think that Ned has a busy schedule these days?

ursusminor

Beeeej

ursusminor
Ned Harkness is to be the third honoree in RPI's Ring of Honor. [www.rpiathletics.com] Why the 'Tute is doing this during the Colgate game instead of waiting a day until Cornell is in town is beyond me.

It's possible that didn't fit with Ned's schedule.

True, but do you think that Ned has a busy schedule these days?

I don't keep the man's calendar, I'm offering a hypothetical where you didn't seem to see any possibilities.

Maybe, in fact, Ned declined to receive such an honor during the Cornell game, out of respect to Cornell. I would believe that.

I would have been surprised if RPI would have held this during the RPI-Cornell. Presumably the RPI Ring of Honor is meant to honor achievements at RPI, not elsewhere. If Cornell is in the building it will naturally bring some focus on his accomplishments in Ithaca, which wouldn't be the point.

KeithK
I would have been surprised if RPI would have held this during the RPI-Cornell. Presumably the RPI Ring of Honor is meant to honor achievements at RPI, not elsewhere. If Cornell is in the building it will naturally bring some focus on his accomplishments in Ithaca, which wouldn't be the point.

Maybe. But the Colgate fans simply won't care about the ceremony, whereas the Cornell fans would appreciate the honor being bestowed on one of their own and join in the celebration.

Honoring Harkness during the Cornell game would remind RPI faithful about how they lost a good coach because they were paying him such a pittance.

KeithK
I would have been surprised if RPI would have held this during the RPI-Cornell. Presumably the RPI Ring of Honor is meant to honor achievements at RPI, not elsewhere. If Cornell is in the building it will naturally bring some focus on his accomplishments in Ithaca, which wouldn't be the point.

That makes a lot of sense. I also thought that it might have been that they figured that RPI would get a good crowd for Cornell anyway, and this would improve attendance vs. Colgate, but your explanation is better.

ugarte
But the Colgate fans simply won't care about the ceremony...

Colgate fans?

Al DeFlorio

ugarte
But the Colgate fans simply won't care about the ceremony...

Colgate fans?

You know, the drunk asshole students who show up for one game in February somewhat aware there's something going on involving ice and a puck.

French Rage

Al DeFlorio

ugarte
But the Colgate fans simply won't care about the ceremony...

Colgate fans?

You know, the drunk asshole students who show up for one game in February somewhat aware there's something going on involving ice and a puck.

That was pretty close to verbatim what I chose not to post (since I've never been to Starr and only know this by reputation).

Maybe. But the Colgate fans simply won't care about the ceremony, whereas the Cornell fans would appreciate the honor being bestowed on one of their own and join in the celebration.[/quote]

Any fans of college hockey, regardless of their rooting interest (yes, including Colgate) should appreciate Ned's accomplishments.

If they're too young to rememeber him, as obviously many are, it's a good idea to do some research to learn about Ne'd successes as well as his character. He certainly was a character.

billhoward
Honoring Harkness during the Cornell game would remind RPI faithful about how they lost a good coach because they were paying him such a pittance.

Sports Illustrated said it was because they were too far from Canada.

Swampy

billhoward
Honoring Harkness during the Cornell game would remind RPI faithful about how they lost a good coach because they were paying him such a pittance.

Sports Illustrated said it was because they were too far from Canada.

I arrived at RPI in the Fall of 1964. Upperclassmen told me that Harkness left because it was easier to get hockey players admitted into Cornell. Later on, it became apparent that what this meant was that the narrow choice of majors at RPI was the problem. I have also heard that it was the pay.


The distance to Canada? The closest part of Canada to Ithaca appears to be in the middle of Lake Ontario. Not counting that, the difference isn't that great.

Perhaps in honor of Uncle Ned, I should change my avatar again. The current one shows Doug Hearns scoring the overtime goal vs. Cornell and Ken Dryden on 12/4/1968, one of the most memorable games that I have attended. The defender on the left is Bruce Pattison. IIRC, this was Cornell's last ECAC loss under Harkness.

ursusminor
Perhaps in honor of Uncle Ned, I should change my avatar again. The current one shows Doug Hearns scoring the overtime goal vs. Cornell and Ken Dryden on 12/4/1968, one of the most memorable games that I have attended. The defender on the left is Bruce Pattison. IIRC, this was Cornell's last ECAC loss under Harkness.

For the remainder of Ned's tenure, Cornell went 54-1. The only loss was to Denver in Colorado Springs, in the 1969 NCAA final.

Trotsky

ursusminor
Perhaps in honor of Uncle Ned, I should change my avatar again. The current one shows Doug Hearns scoring the overtime goal vs. Cornell and Ken Dryden on 12/4/1968, one of the most memorable games that I have attended. The defender on the left is Bruce Pattison. IIRC, this was Cornell's last ECAC loss under Harkness.

For the remainder of Ned's tenure, Cornell went 54-1. The only loss was to Denver in Colorado Springs, in the 1969 NCAA final.

I can only dream as to how much fun the USCHO forums would have been if they existed then.

The wikipedia entry on Ned Harkness is pretty weak.
[en.wikipedia.org]

nyc94
The wikipedia entry on Ned Harkness is pretty weak.
[en.wikipedia.org]

I see one inaccuracy? Anyone?

DeltaOne81

nyc94
The wikipedia entry on Ned Harkness is pretty weak.
[en.wikipedia.org]

I see one inaccuracy? Anyone?

It leaves out his NCAA hockey championship at RPI.

Beeeej

DeltaOne81

nyc94
The wikipedia entry on Ned Harkness is pretty weak.
[en.wikipedia.org]

I see one inaccuracy? Anyone?

It leaves out his NCAA hockey championship at RPI.

It must have been written by either a Cornell fan or a lacrosse fan. It also omits his tenure at Union, not that much occurred except for his getting in trouble with the Union heirarchy.


Before RichS shows up , the article states that Cornell had in 1970 the "only undefeated ice hockey team in NCAA history". That should be the "only undefeated NCAA hockey champion".

Beeeej

ursusminor

Beeeej

ursusminor
Ned Harkness is to be the third honoree in RPI's Ring of Honor. [www.rpiathletics.com] Why the 'Tute is doing this during the Colgate game instead of waiting a day until Cornell is in town is beyond me.

It's possible that didn't fit with Ned's schedule.

True, but do you think that Ned has a busy schedule these days?

I don't keep the man's calendar, I'm offering a hypothetical where you didn't seem to see any possibilities.

Maybe, in fact, Ned declined to receive such an honor during the Cornell game, out of respect to Cornell. I would believe that.

It will be curious to see if he hangs around for the Saturday game, though. I'd be amazed if he doesn't.

DeltaOne81

nyc94
The wikipedia entry on Ned Harkness is pretty weak.
[en.wikipedia.org]

I see one inaccuracy? Anyone?

He coached lacrosse at Cornell for three years, not two.

ursusminor
The current one shows Doug Hearns scoring the overtime goal vs. Cornell and Ken Dryden on 12/4/1968, one of the most memorable games that I have attended.

That must also have been the last GWG for RPI against Cornell until the one scored with the stick that was mailed to Bob Stagat (may be rest in peace), right?

Well, it's Wikipedia, people. Fix it!

ursusminor
Before RichS shows up , the article states that Cornell had in 1970 the "only undefeated ice hockey team in NCAA history". That should be the "only undefeated NCAA hockey champion".

That would be the one I was referring to. Leaving out a title at RPI may be incoomplete, but its not 'inaccurate'.

jtwcornell91
Well, it's Wikipedia, people. Fix it!

Well it wouldn't be very sporting of me to say there was an error, and then fix it before anyone could guess, now would it?

Its fixed now. And I confirmed Al's mention of three years, and fixed that too.

jtwcornell91

ursusminor
The current one shows Doug Hearns scoring the overtime goal vs. Cornell and Ken Dryden on 12/4/1968, one of the most memorable games that I have attended.

That must also have been the last GWG for RPI against Cornell until the one scored with the stick that was mailed to Bob Stagat (may be rest in peace), right?

Bob had the stick from 12/4/1968. See [lists.maine.edu]. I hope that his wife didn't discard it.


The game two years later was a veritable rout by RPI. (I'll omit my memories of the two games RPI played Cornell during Cornell's perfect season, especially the disaster at MSG.)

DeltaOne81

ursusminor
Before RichS shows up , the article states that Cornell had in 1970 the "only undefeated ice hockey team in NCAA history". That should be the "only undefeated NCAA hockey champion".

That would be the one I was referring to. Leaving out a title at RPI may be incoomplete, but its not 'inaccurate'.

jtwcornell91
Well, it's Wikipedia, people. Fix it!

Well it wouldn't be very sporting of me to say there was an error, and then fix it before anyone could guess, now would it?

Its fixed now. And I confirmed Al's mention of three years, and fixed that too.

You have introduced a new error. RPI was not in the 1952 NCAA Tourney although Harkness did take them there three times: 1953, 1954, and 1961. Since I am an RPI grad and can's write a coherent sentence, I'll let someone else fix it.

ursusminor

DeltaOne81

ursusminor
Before RichS shows up , the article states that Cornell had in 1970 the "only undefeated ice hockey team in NCAA history". That should be the "only undefeated NCAA hockey champion".

That would be the one I was referring to. Leaving out a title at RPI may be incoomplete, but its not 'inaccurate'.

jtwcornell91
Well, it's Wikipedia, people. Fix it!

Well it wouldn't be very sporting of me to say there was an error, and then fix it before anyone could guess, now would it?

Its fixed now. And I confirmed Al's mention of three years, and fixed that too.

You have introduced a new error. RPI was not in the 1952 NCAA Tourney although Harkness did take them there three times: 1953, 1954, and 1961. Since I am an RPI grad and can's write a coherent sentence, I'll let someone else fix it.

I did that and I'll fix it. My eyes wandered over one column to RS champs on Ned's USCHO page.

nyc94

Trotsky

ursusminor
Perhaps in honor of Uncle Ned, I should change my avatar again. The current one shows Doug Hearns scoring the overtime goal vs. Cornell and Ken Dryden on 12/4/1968, one of the most memorable games that I have attended. The defender on the left is Bruce Pattison. IIRC, this was Cornell's last ECAC loss under Harkness.

For the remainder of Ned's tenure, Cornell went 54-1. The only loss was to Denver in Colorado Springs, in the 1969 NCAA final.

I can only dream as to how much fun the USCHO forums would have been if they existed then.

The wikipedia entry on Ned Harkness is pretty weak.
[en.wikipedia.org]

The Harkness record was great then, would be great now, but it happened while John Wooden rolled up, what, nine NCAA titles in ten years. Maybe people thought a really good coach could run the table multiple years in a row.

"How much fun the USCHO forums would be" if they existed then? You mean how insufferable Cornell fans would be? If we had eLynah back then, poor RichS ... at least there'd be a cause for the nocturnal uresis issue in the college years.

nyc94

ursusminor

DeltaOne81
That would be the one I was referring to. Leaving out a title at RPI may be incoomplete, but its not 'inaccurate'.

Well it wouldn't be very sporting of me to say there was an error, and then fix it before anyone could guess, now would it?

Its fixed now. And I confirmed Al's mention of three years, and fixed that too.

You have introduced a new error. RPI was not in the 1952 NCAA Tourney although Harkness did take them there three times: 1953, 1954, and 1961. Since I am an RPI grad and can's write a coherent sentence, I'll let someone else fix it.

I did that and I'll fix it. My eyes wandered over one column to RS champs on Ned's USCHO page.

Yeah, how dare you accuse me