NHL Draft
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NHL Draft
Posted by: rhovorka (---.stny.rr.com)
Date: June 21, 2003 02:31PM
So I was more than surprised to flip my TV to espn2 just as they were talking about....Dartmouth hockey? Jessiman just went #12 overall by a team that's talked about way too much on this board.
Ithaca native Dustin Brown followed him at #13 by the Kings. The commentators talked about him being part of a "new trend" of US born players going to the Canadian Juniors, and then said "Native of Ithaca? How did Cornell University not get him??"
Vanek went #5 to the Sabres.
Ithaca native Dustin Brown followed him at #13 by the Kings. The commentators talked about him being part of a "new trend" of US born players going to the Canadian Juniors, and then said "Native of Ithaca? How did Cornell University not get him??"
Vanek went #5 to the Sabres.
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Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: June 21, 2003 02:51PM
Now I have one more reason to hate Jessiman.
JH
JH
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: ugarte (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: June 21, 2003 05:30PM
I checked my watch, and it appears that it is time for Jessiman to start sucking.
#1 overall was Marc-Andre Fleury, the guy who started ahead of Lenny on the Canadian WJC team.
#1 overall was Marc-Andre Fleury, the guy who started ahead of Lenny on the Canadian WJC team.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: cbuckser (---.74.32.237.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net)
Date: June 21, 2003 06:02PM
NCAA 1st-round picks:
Thomas Vanek (Minnesota '06), 5th overall, Buffalo Sabres
Ryan Suter (Wisconsin '07), 7th overall, Nashville Predators
Hugh Jessiman (Dartmouth '06), 12th overall, New York Rangers
Zach Parise (North Dakota '06), 17th overall, New Jersey Devils
Mark Stuart (Colorado College '06), 21st overall, Boston Bruins
Ryan Kesler (Ohio State '06), 23rd overall, Vancouver Canucks
Brian Boyle (Boston College '07), 26th overall, Los Angeles Kings
Jeff Tambellini (Michigan '06), 27th overall, Los Angeles Kings
Patrick Eaves (Boston College '06), 29th overall, Ottawa Senators
NCAA 2nd-round picks:
Danny Richmond (Michigan '06), 31st overall, Carolina Hurricanes
Matt Smaby (North Dakota '07), 41st overall, Tampa Bay Lightning
Matthew Carle (Denver '07), 47th overall, San Jose Sharks
Colin McDonald (Providence '07), 51st overall, Edmonton Oilers
John Doherty (New Hampshire '07), 57th overall, Toronto Maple Leafs
David Backes (Minnesota State-Mankato '07), 62nd overall, Tampa Bay Lightning
James Howard (Maine '06), 64th overall, Detroit Red Wings
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Thomas Vanek (Minnesota '06), 5th overall, Buffalo Sabres
Ryan Suter (Wisconsin '07), 7th overall, Nashville Predators
Hugh Jessiman (Dartmouth '06), 12th overall, New York Rangers
Zach Parise (North Dakota '06), 17th overall, New Jersey Devils
Mark Stuart (Colorado College '06), 21st overall, Boston Bruins
Ryan Kesler (Ohio State '06), 23rd overall, Vancouver Canucks
Brian Boyle (Boston College '07), 26th overall, Los Angeles Kings
Jeff Tambellini (Michigan '06), 27th overall, Los Angeles Kings
Patrick Eaves (Boston College '06), 29th overall, Ottawa Senators
NCAA 2nd-round picks:
Danny Richmond (Michigan '06), 31st overall, Carolina Hurricanes
Matt Smaby (North Dakota '07), 41st overall, Tampa Bay Lightning
Matthew Carle (Denver '07), 47th overall, San Jose Sharks
Colin McDonald (Providence '07), 51st overall, Edmonton Oilers
John Doherty (New Hampshire '07), 57th overall, Toronto Maple Leafs
David Backes (Minnesota State-Mankato '07), 62nd overall, Tampa Bay Lightning
James Howard (Maine '06), 64th overall, Detroit Red Wings
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Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: June 21, 2003 06:25PM
Shane Hynes to Anaheim with the 86th pick.
JH
JH
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.stny.rr.com)
Date: June 21, 2003 06:28PM
Also O'Byrne to Montreal, 79th.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: June 21, 2003 06:54PM
Third Round:
75 New York Rangers, Ken Roche, C (I) Boston University (HEA)
78 Minnesota Wild, Danny Irmen, C (I) Minnesota (WCHA)
79 Montreal Canadiens, Ryan O'Byrne, D (I) Cornell (ECAC)
83 Washington Capitals, Stephen Werner, RW Massachusetts (HEA)
86 Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Shane Hynes, RW Cornell (ECAC)
87 Philadelphia Flyers, Ryan Potulny, C (I) Minnesota (WCHA)
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: IHS '00 (---.stanford.edu)
Date: June 21, 2003 07:22PM
While it would've been awesome to have Dustin Brown play for Cornell, I think a lot of people forget that the moment he agreed to play Canadian Juniors -- i.e. three years ago, when he was 15 -- he lost the eligibility to play for any college team. It's not like there was some huge recruiting coup and Cornell lost him to another NCAA team; instead, he made an active decision to do what would help him develop his skills to the fullest extent possible. As much as I would have loved to see him in a Cornell jersey, I think it's hard to argue against his decision given the results of the draft.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: cbuckser (---.74.32.9.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net)
Date: June 21, 2003 07:38PM
Late 3rd-round NCAA picks:
Juha Allen (Northern Michigan '06), 90th overall, Anaheim Mighty Ducks
Matt Nickerson (Michigan '07), 99th overall, Dallas Stars
Juha Allen (Northern Michigan '06), 90th overall, Anaheim Mighty Ducks
Matt Nickerson (Michigan '07), 99th overall, Dallas Stars
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: JordanCS (---.bunt.com)
Date: June 21, 2003 08:36PM
I'm just thinking....Murray (and Mark McRae, wasn't he?) was an 8th round pick, and O'Byrne is a 3rd round pick. If O'Byrne ends up better than Murray and McRae by the end of college....we've got a damn good defensemen on our hands.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: CUlater '89 (---.rasserver.net)
Date: June 21, 2003 09:21PM
(I) means "incoming", as in "incoming NCAA player".
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: June 22, 2003 09:59AM
Unless he pulls a Niewendyk and opts out early.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: cbuckser (---.74.32.131.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net)
Date: June 22, 2003 12:39PM
The Bruins picked Byron Bitz in the fourth round, and the Avalanche picked Mark McCutcheon in the fifth.
NCAA picks in the 4th through 9th rounds (from USCHO):
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NCAA picks in the 4th through 9th rounds (from USCHO):
Round Four Pick NHL Team Name, Pos School (Conference) 103 Columbus Blue Jackets Kevin Jarman, LW (I) Massachusetts (HEA) 107 Boston Bruins Byron Bitz, RW (I) Cornell (ECAC) 122 New York Rangers Corey Potter, D Michigan State (CCHA) 124 Florida Panthers James Pemberton, D Providence (HEA) 128 Vancouver Canucks Ty Morris, LW (I) Denver (WCHA) 136 Atlanta Thrashers Michael Vannelli, D (I) Minnesota (WCHA) Round Five Pick NHL Team Name, Pos School (Conference) 137 Carolina Hurricanes Tyson Strachan, D (I) Ohio State (CCHA) 141 Florida Panthers Dan Travis, RW (I) New Hampshire (HEA) 142 Ottawa Senators Tim Cook, D (I) Michigan (CCHA) 143 Calgary Flames Greg Moore, RW Maine (HEA) 145 Atlanta Thrashers Brett Sterling, LW Colorado College (WCHA) 146 Colorado Avalanche Mark McCutcheon, C (I) Cornell (ECAC) 148 St. Louis Blues Lee Stempniak, RW Dartmouth (ECAC) 150 Buffalo Sabres Thomas Morrow, D (I) Boston University (HEA) 152 Los Angeles Kings Brady Murray, C (I) North Dakota (WCHA) 154 Edmonton Oilers David Rohlfs, RW (I) Michigan (CCHA) 155 Washington Capitals Josh Robertson, C (I) Northeastern-'04 (HEA) 165 Dallas Stars Gino Guyer, C Minnesota (WCHA) 167 New Jersey Devils Zach Tarkir, D (I) Northern Michigan (CCHA) Round Six Pick NHL Team Name, Pos School (Conference) 175 Atlanta Thrashers Mike Hamilton, F (I) Maine (HEA) 180 New York Rangers Chris Holt, G (I) Nebraska-Omaha (CCHA) 186 Anaheim Mighty Ducks Andrew Miller, LW (I) Michigan St. (CCHA) 189 St. Louis Blues Jonathan Lehun, C (*) St. Cloud State (WCHA) 190 Vancouver Canucks Chad Brownlee, D (I) Minnesota St. (WCHA) 195 Dallas Stars Drew Bagnall, D (I) St. Lawrence (ECAC) 197 New Jersey Devils Jason Smith, G (I) Sacred Heart (MAAC) Round Seven Pick NHL Team Name, Pos School (Conference) 205 San Jose Sharks Joe Pavelski, C (I) Wisconsin-'04 (WCHA) 209 New York Rangers Dylan Reese, D (I) Harvard (ECAC) 211 Chicago Blackhawks Mike Brodeur, G (I) Wisconsin (WCHA) 218 Anaheim Mighty Ducks Dirk Southern, C Northern Michigan (CCHA) 225 Colorado Avalanche Brett Hemingway, W (I) New Hampshire (HEA) 227 Tampa Bay Lightning Jay Rosehill, D (I) uncommitted Round Eight Pick NHL Team Name, Pos School (Conference) 230 Carolina Hurricanes Jamie Hoffman, C (I) Colorado College (WCHA) 231 Los Angeles Kings Matt Zaba, G (I) Colorado College (WCHA) 232 Pittsburgh Penguins Joe Jensen, C St. Cloud State (WCHA) 238 New York Islanders Cody Blanshan, D Nebraska-Omaha (CCHA) 244 Los Angeles Kings Mike Sullivan, C (I) Clarkson (ECAC) 249 Washington Capitals Andrew Joudrey, C (I) Wisconsin (WCHA) 256 Tampa Bay Lightning Brady Greco, D (I) Colorado College (WCHA) Round Nine Pick NHL Team Name, Pos School (Conference) 263 Pittsburgh Penguins Matt Moulson, LW Cornell (ECAC) 265 Florida Panthers Tanner Glass, F (I) Dartmouth (ECAC) 267 San Jose Sharks Brian O'Hanley, D (I) Boston College-'04 (HEA) 269 Atlanta Thrashers Rylan Kaip, C (I) uncommitted 270 Calgary Flames Kevin Harvey, LW (I) uncommitted 272 Phoenix Coyotes Sean Sullivan, D (I) Boston University (HEA) 274 Los Angeles Kings Martin Guerin, RW (I) Miami (CCHA) 275 Chicago Blackhawks Michael Grenzy, D (I) Clarkson (ECAC) 276 New York Islanders Carter Lee, F (I) uncommitted 277 Boston Bruins Kevin Regan, G (I) New Hampshire-'04 (HEA) 282 Toronto Maple Leafs Chris Porter, C (I) North Dakota (WCHA) 288 Colorado Avalanche David Jones, RW (I) Dartmouth (ECAC) 291 Ottawa Senators Brian Elliott, G (I) uncommitted
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Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: JordanCS (---.bunt.com)
Date: June 22, 2003 01:10PM
Wow...we've got an amazing incoming class, it seems. Have we ever had 3 incoming players drafted in round 5 or higher? (4 total) Most of our incoming guys end up getting drafted in the later rounds. (at least, in recent memory)
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.stny.rr.com)
Date: June 22, 2003 02:21PM
Matt Moulson goes to Pittsburgh in the 9th round.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Robb Newman (---.169.127.238.ts46v-08.otn-c2.ftwrth.tx.charter.)
Date: June 22, 2003 04:49PM
As a quick visit to [www.spiritone.com] will show, we have never had 3 incoming players drafted before - in any rounds! The five draft picks this year are the 3rd most in any draft year, behind the amazing years of 89 and 90, when 6 players were drafted each year.
In 1990, three of the guys were in the supplemental draft. Of the nine from that era in the regular draft, the average draft position was 91; for the five this year, the average was 136. The 90-91 team had 13 draft picks (10 "numbered," including Corrie D'Alessio from '88, average = 93); next year, we'll have only 7 - this year's 5 plus Glover and Lenny, combined average = 140.
What does all that mean? Absolutely nothing. We've got the same players showing up this fall that we did on Friday. Work hard this summer, boys - the rewards will come in March.
In 1990, three of the guys were in the supplemental draft. Of the nine from that era in the regular draft, the average draft position was 91; for the five this year, the average was 136. The 90-91 team had 13 draft picks (10 "numbered," including Corrie D'Alessio from '88, average = 93); next year, we'll have only 7 - this year's 5 plus Glover and Lenny, combined average = 140.
What does all that mean? Absolutely nothing. We've got the same players showing up this fall that we did on Friday. Work hard this summer, boys - the rewards will come in March.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: ursusminor (---.ipt.aol.com)
Date: June 22, 2003 06:14PM
double post -- sorry
Post Edited (06-22-03 18:16)
Post Edited (06-22-03 18:16)
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: ursusminor (---.ipt.aol.com)
Date: June 22, 2003 06:15PM
A thread on the BCHL board about Ryan O'Byrne being drafted. (Be aware that this board has a lot of pop-up ads.) [www.network54.com]
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Scott Goldsmith (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: June 22, 2003 08:55PM
One guy on that thread rips O'Byrne for being soft. I think Schafer will help him toughen up!
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: atb9 (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date: June 22, 2003 11:39PM
I know Cornell has a history with recruiting western Canadian players...does anyone know if there are any particular connections/reasons why the Rangers have been going after (seemingly) a lot of Ivy players (besides the education)?
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: JordanCS (---.bunt.com)
Date: June 23, 2003 12:59AM
Cool...Moulson to Pittsburgh. Go Pens
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: CUlater (---.ambacinc.com)
Date: June 23, 2003 09:50AM
Here's an article that has a little bit about Mark McCutcheon, with comments from his father.
[www.buffalonews.com]
[www.buffalonews.com]
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: CUlater (---.ambacinc.com)
Date: June 23, 2003 10:10AM
[Q]...why the Rangers have been going after (seemingly) a lot of Ivy players (besides the education)?[/Q]
How many draft picks have they spent on Ivy players? (I know of the two this year and Dominic Moore -- any others?)
How many draft picks have they spent on Ivy players? (I know of the two this year and Dominic Moore -- any others?)
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: atb9 (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date: June 23, 2003 02:30PM
those were the three that I was thinking of...I put the "seemingly" in there because it seemed like a lot to me but maybe not to others. It may just be a result of Ivy hockey becoming a dominant force in the ECAC...
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (---.dip.t-dialin.net)
Date: June 23, 2003 06:17PM
Don't get too excited about that; these things ebb and flow. Just remember it in a few years when either fluctuations or the swing of the pendulum reverses the situation and some Clarkson/SLU/UVM/RPI fan starts mouthing off about how the Ivies (especially Brom and Darmouth ) are dragging the rest of the ECAC down.
Adam Brown '03 wrote:
Ivy hockey becoming a dominant force in the ECAC...
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: French Rage (---.northgrum.com)
Date: June 24, 2003 09:17AM
[Q]Just remember it in a few years when either fluctuations or the swing of the pendulum reverses the situation and some Clarkson/SLU/UVM/RPI fan starts mouthing off about how the Ivies (especially Brom and Darmouth ) are dragging the rest of the ECAC down.[/Q]
Especially since this year, Brom's and Darmouth's schedules have many games against Anybody, but few against Nobody and Cupcake.
Especially since this year, Brom's and Darmouth's schedules have many games against Anybody, but few against Nobody and Cupcake.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: ugarte (68.160.74.---)
Date: June 24, 2003 09:24AM
John, how could you not have noticed this:
179 NY Rangers Philippe Furrer D Bern (SUI)
179 NY Rangers Philippe Furrer D Bern (SUI)
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Mike (---.prenhall.com)
Date: June 24, 2003 10:39AM
Heh... Perfect for the Swiss Cheese defense that the Rangers are known for!!!
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (---.aei-potsdam.mpg.de)
Date: June 24, 2003 11:28AM
Hopp SCB!
big red apple wrote:
John, how could you not have noticed this:
179 NY Rangers Philippe Furrer D Bern (SUI)
Of course, since he's a youngster, he wasn't playing three years ago when I was last there.
Apparently the Swiss national team's goalie in the recent world championship plays for Bern as well. I was there for the second-to-last and penultimate seasons of beloved veteran Renato Tosio, so again, after my time.
I miss having a hockey team play ten minutes' walk from my apartment.
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (---.aei-potsdam.mpg.de)
Date: June 24, 2003 11:31AM
Are you kidding? He'll block the opponents up like a fondue!
Mike wrote:
Heh... Perfect for the Swiss Cheese defense that the Rangers are known for!!!
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: atb9 (---.nycap.rr.com)
Date: June 25, 2003 04:11PM
A quick NCAA draft breakdown from hockeysfuture.com...
[www.hockeysfuture.com]
They listed Cornell as a "Notable school" stating, "5 players were chosen from Cornell -- their Cinderella season caught the eye of many scouts."
[www.hockeysfuture.com]
They listed Cornell as a "Notable school" stating, "5 players were chosen from Cornell -- their Cinderella season caught the eye of many scouts."
Cinderella?
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: June 25, 2003 04:45PM
[Q]5 players were chosen from Cornell -- their Cinderella season caught the eye of many scouts.[/Q]
Well, that's really annoying. I would hardly consider our season a "Cinderella story". It's not like Union or Princeton made it to the FF. Besides, I hardly think Hynes, O'Byrne, etc. were drafted because of this season's finish (esp. not the incoming guys). Not that this surprises me much, but I felt the need to vent.
Post Edited (06-25-03 17:13)
Well, that's really annoying. I would hardly consider our season a "Cinderella story". It's not like Union or Princeton made it to the FF. Besides, I hardly think Hynes, O'Byrne, etc. were drafted because of this season's finish (esp. not the incoming guys). Not that this surprises me much, but I felt the need to vent.
Post Edited (06-25-03 17:13)
Re: Cinderella?
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: June 25, 2003 05:11PM
The author of the article is from Denver, and apparently follows DU.
Once more we see the WCHA bias against the ECAC.
JH
Once more we see the WCHA bias against the ECAC.
JH
Cinderella's siblings
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date: June 25, 2003 07:09PM
If we're Cinderella, does that make Harvard an ugly sister?
Adam Brown '03 wrote:
They listed Cornell as a "Notable school" stating, "5 players were chosen from Cornell -- their Cinderella season caught the eye of many scouts."
Re: Cinderella's siblings
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: June 26, 2003 08:17AM
I think they're the rats that got changed into coachmen by the fairy godmother.
JH
JH
Re: Cinderella?
Posted by: ugarte (68.160.74.---)
Date: June 26, 2003 12:00PM
I think that you are overreacting a little, Keith. To those who weren't paying attention, I'm sure that it seemed like a Cinderella season. I also don't think we are reading the scribblings of a writer that has spent a lot of time at workshops hoping to improve his craft.
Sure, 01-02 should have given the rest of the country a clue as to what 02-03 would be like, but I think Cornell exceeded everyone's preseason expectations - even ours. (I think by tournament time, everyone here was convinced that Cornell could win the whole thing, so the UNH loss was still a disappointment.)
Sure, 01-02 should have given the rest of the country a clue as to what 02-03 would be like, but I think Cornell exceeded everyone's preseason expectations - even ours. (I think by tournament time, everyone here was convinced that Cornell could win the whole thing, so the UNH loss was still a disappointment.)
Re: Cinderella?
Posted by: jason (---.ip.e-nt.net)
Date: June 26, 2003 01:22PM
Here's an indication of what some of us had for expectations going into the year (kind of interesting to read now):
[elf.hockey.cornell.edu]
[elf.hockey.cornell.edu]
Re: Cinderella?
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: June 26, 2003 02:06PM
Of course I'm over-reacting a little. Thus the need to vent. I don't think Cinderella is a fair description for Cornell if you were paying attention. But the writer probably wasn't paying attention - that's the point. I didn't lose any sleep over the description. I just couldn't resist the urge to complain about it.
Re: ECAC Cinderellas
Posted by: Rich Stamboulian (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 26, 2003 06:04PM
I think the so called "experts" view any ECAC FF team as a "Cinderella" story....the same was said about St. Lawrence a few years ago...e.g., ad nauseum by Jack Edwards on ESPN with his references to "tiny" and "little" SLU taking on "mighty" Boston College.
It's not gonna stop until an ECAC team wins it all....if then!
It's not gonna stop until an ECAC team wins it all....if then!
Re: NHL Draft
Posted by: Robb Newman (---.169.127.238.ts46v-08.otn-c2.ftwrth.tx.charter.)
Date: June 26, 2003 07:47PM
"Cinderella" is a little unfair, I think, but "Fairy Tale" would certainly apply - just a slight difference in connotation.
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