Cornell 5 Clarkson 3, Postgame Thread

4 point weekend.

RPI 4 Yale 0, final. Cornell alone in first by pct and points.

We broke out of the 0-for-32 PP slump!

Oat
We broke out of the 0-for-32 PP slump!

And outscored Clarkson 3-2 while a man up.

Finals:

SLU 3 Colgate 2, ot
Brown 2 Union 2, ot

Standings

.769 9-2-2 20 Cornell
.643 7-3-4 18 St. Lawrence
.643 7-3-4 18 Union
.643 8-4-2 18 Yale

Cornell with a game at hand.

The 3 ppg put Cornell back at #1 in conference in powerplay. Most of the 0x32 must have been in non-conference games.

That was a pretty decent game. Cornell played well, so did Clarkson. The officials were definitely on cornell's side, but I am not sure it cost Clarkson the game. Oh well, maybe this will set up for another playoff series @ Lynah between Clarkson and Cornell, those are always fun (see ECAC quarterfinals 2004).

Dpperk29
That was a pretty decent game. Cornell played well, so did Clarkson. The officials were definitely on cornell's side, but I am not sure it cost Clarkson the game. Oh well, maybe this will set up for another playoff series @ Lynah between Clarkson and Cornell, those are always fun (see ECAC quarterfinals 2004).

?????
I think what caused Clarkson the game was a 42-21 shot differential. After all we were only a net 1 on PPs.

Jim, To a degree, much of the reason you were 42-21 on shot differential was that Clarkson was on the PK much of the night, no? Which is what devin was trying to point out ( i believe ). Would you not agree that it is more difficult for the team on the PK to get shots on goal when they are a man down?
Either way, I don't think it would have mattered much as we kind of.. sort of.. suck a lil bit.
Cheers,
Drew

PPs were 7 to 4. We don't keep shots on pp, but I'll bet it didn't hurt.

Cornell has outscored conference opponents, net, in all six 2-game weekends this season. That's the longest string of consistently good pairs since 9 straight back in the 2005 and 2006 seasons. Of course, the 2003, 04 and 05 teams did it 24 straight times. But still, Cornell has been consistent in league play so far. That's particularly important when you consider this time last year, when they followed up a 9-1-2 league start with 1-4-1.

Trotsky
PPs were 7 to 4. We don't keep shots on pp, but I'll bet it didn't hurt.

Cornell has outscored conference opponents, net, in all six 2-game weekends this season. That's the longest string of consistently good pairs since 9 straight back in the 2005 and 2006 seasons. Of course, the 2003, 04 and 05 teams did it 24 straight times. But still, Cornell has been consistent in league play so far. That's particularly important when you consider this time last year, when they followed up a 9-1-2 league start with 1-4-1.

Yes Trots, PP shots are not differentiated from even strength shots, which is the the argument I am trying make. PK masks the "opportunity costs" that effect a team when down a man. Tough to get shots on goal when you are a man down. That being said, we did not deserve to win.
Drew

While on its seven power plays, Cornell outshot Clarkson 20-2.

[cornellbigred.com]

Drew
Jim, To a degree, much of the reason you were 42-21 on shot differential was that Clarkson was on the PK much of the night, no? Which is what devin was trying to point out ( i believe ). Would you not agree that it is more difficult for the team on the PK to get shots on goal when they are a man down?
Either way, I don't think it would have mattered much as we kind of.. sort of.. suck a lil bit.
Cheers,
Drew

To a degree, I agree. But even at even we out shot you 22-15, and you only had 4 shots in 4 PPs. So any way you look at it we had territorial advantage on both PP and even. The only advantage you had was SH. I guess more than anything I was reacting to the comment "The officials were definitely on cornell's side". Just because we had more PPs doesn't mean we had the officials in our pocket. You are the most penalized team in the league, so maybe they're against you all the time.

Big difference in Video Feed--The feed for SLU (which was at best, horrid) as opposed to the Clarkson feed (astounding--even in color). The feed of the SLU game, which was a nail-biter start to finish, was unwatchable. Is there a difference as to who was running the video feed (company-wise), or do we just have bad RedCast nights???

Thanks for any feedback.

Phil

Jim Hyla

Dpperk29
That was a pretty decent game. Cornell played well, so did Clarkson. The officials were definitely on cornell's side, but I am not sure it cost Clarkson the game. Oh well, maybe this will set up for another playoff series @ Lynah between Clarkson and Cornell, those are always fun (see ECAC quarterfinals 2004).

?????
I think what caused Clarkson the game was a 42-21 shot differential. After all we were only a net 1 on PPs.

Alright, I'll try to stay calm.

There were at least 2 Clarkson penalties that got called that just flat out were not penalties (Holding on Rufenach and Elbowing on Cayer). And there were several times cornell players got away with some of the exact same stick work that Clarkson got penalized for. So yes, I really do think that the officials were on cornell's side. Though I do think cornell probably would have won either way.

And cornell fans of anyone should know that shots mean about as much as spy satelites over canada. I remember many a cornell game where cornell would have huge shot totals and lose 2-1 (or some similar score).

And one more thing, nearly every home team in the world usually gets some help from the referees. It's just the way it is I think. For some reason or another the zebras always seem to call the questionable call on the visitors and let it slide on the home team. I have no hard evidence of this theory, just unrecorded observations.

An excellent weekend for Cornell sports. Does anyone think 3 goals is too much to give up to the league's worst team? Imagine if our PP had continued on its merry oh-for-thirtysomething way.

Dpperk29
And one more thing, nearly every home team in the world usually gets some help from the referees. It's just the way it is I think. For some reason or another the zebras always seem to call the questionable call on the visitors and let it slide on the home team. I have no hard evidence of this theory, just unrecorded observations.

Easy enough to test the hypothesis, although arguably home teams get an an emotional edge from their crowd which puts the D team short a step, forcing them into obstruction penalties.

If this theory holds, an outlier data point would be the missed penalty called against North Dakta that led to the winning goal.

Dpperk29
The officials were definitely on cornell's side, but I am not sure it cost Clarkson the game.

Clarkson's the most penalized team in the league. Apparently, the refs favor every other team as well. Roll's a punk and his team plays like punks. They're the dirtiest and whiniest team in the league. The crap they get away with after the whistle and in the crease is amazing. I can't remember the last time I saw an official push a player so hard in the chest it was nearly a punch -- give the ref credit for not tossing the whelp, Three times the ref sent Cornell players and Clarkson players, and each time the Clarkson player instigated things -- once the ref sent 2 Cornell players for something started by Clarkson.

PS, is Clarkson's band capable of learning to wrap up a song after the puck drops?

Dpperk29

Jim Hyla

Dpperk29
That was a pretty decent game. Cornell played well, so did Clarkson. The officials were definitely on cornell's side, but I am not sure it cost Clarkson the game. Oh well, maybe this will set up for another playoff series @ Lynah between Clarkson and Cornell, those are always fun (see ECAC quarterfinals 2004).

?????
I think what caused Clarkson the game was a 42-21 shot differential. After all we were only a net 1 on PPs.

Alright, I'll try to stay calm.

There were at least 2 Clarkson penalties that got called that just flat out were not penalties (Holding on Rufenach and Elbowing on Cayer). And there were several times cornell players got away with some of the exact same stick work that Clarkson got penalized for. So yes, I really do think that the officials were on cornell's side. Though I do think cornell probably would have won either way.

And cornell fans of anyone should know that shots mean about as much as spy satelites over canada. I remember many a cornell game where cornell would have huge shot totals and lose 2-1 (or some similar score).

And one more thing, nearly every home team in the world usually gets some help from the referees. It's just the way it is I think. For some reason or another the zebras always seem to call the questionable call on the visitors and let it slide on the home team. I have no hard evidence of this theory, just unrecorded observations.

Please do, but to come to a Cornell board and then complain that the officials were on our side, well, what do you expect? When I posted on the Knight's board I certainly didn't try to be inflammatory. Unfortunately over the years it seems there has to be a Clarkson fan who posts that way. Check out my posts on your board, I don't go trying to pick a fight.

The fact is you got beat in all aspects except SH. You are not having a good season and it's not because of the officials. I personally want you to do well, since you travel well and bring your band. We've had many great games over the years and I hope you can get up again in the future.

Jim Hyla
I personally want you to do well, since you travel well and bring your band. We've had many great games over the years and I hope you can get up again in the future.

I'd agree, except I'll have to hold back until Roll's moved on.

ithacat

Jim Hyla
I personally want you to do well, since you travel well and bring your band. We've had many great games over the years and I hope you can get up again in the future.

I'd agree, except I'll have to hold back until Roll's moved on.

Given the trajectory of his team, one hopes that isn't too far in the future.

ithacat

Dpperk29
The officials were definitely on cornell's side, but I am not sure it cost Clarkson the game.

Clarkson's the most penalized team in the league. Apparently, the refs favor every other team as well. Roll's a punk and his team plays like punks. They're the dirtiest and whiniest team in the league. The crap they get away with after the whistle and in the crease is amazing. I can't remember the last time I saw an official push a player so hard in the chest it was nearly a punch -- give the ref credit for not tossing the whelp, Three times the ref sent Cornell players and Clarkson players, and each time the Clarkson player instigated things -- once the ref sent 2 Cornell players for something started by Clarkson.

PS, is Clarkson's band capable of learning to wrap up a song after the puck drops?

Honestly,

Most nights I think Clarkson deserves each and every penalty they are given, and they probably deserve a few more than get called.

Whiniest team? How is that even possible with Bob Gaudet still coaching in the league?

My experience in hockey is that generally when things get nasty in front of the net the officials try to take an even number of players from both teams, it does take two to tango after all. Sometimes, you'll see one team get more than the other because one player did something egregious to start it or keep it going.

Dpperk29
Whiniest team? How is that even possible with Bob Gaudet still coaching in the league?

That was my thought for "dirtiest team." I have a hard time imaging Clarkson as being unclassy -- over the years they've been my favorite conference opponent.

Assistant at Duke?

A team plays a defensive game like we do, there must be posts aplenty about us being an allegedly dirty team on the fanboards at Harvard, Brown, etcetera. They do have fanboards?

Halfway down, "media/podcast" - the Barry Melrose line 1/27 -- Melrose reiterates that CU is the best team he's seen this year....
[espn.go.com]

jeff '84
Halfway down, "media/podcast" - the Barry Melrose line 1/27 -- Melrose reiterates that CU is the best team he's seen this year....
[espn.go.com]

But then again, he hasn't seen a lot and that might have been our best game.

jeff '84
Halfway down, "media/podcast" - the Barry Melrose line 1/27 -- Melrose reiterates that CU is the best team he's seen this year....
[espn.go.com]

He also reiterates Cornell plays on one of the smallest ice surfaces in college hockey. Someone ought to tell him it's standard NHL-sized.

philmaywalt
Big difference in Video Feed--The feed for SLU (which was at best, horrid) as opposed to the Clarkson feed (astounding--even in color). The feed of the SLU game, which was a nail-biter start to finish, was unwatchable. Is there a difference as to who was running the video feed (company-wise), or do we just have bad RedCast nights???

Thanks for any feedback.

Phil

Info from the videographer Saturday night... apparently they were streaming differently Friday to Saturday. Friday they used multiple cameras, which meant they had to use a device called the stream genie to compile them. The genie then fed the data to a computer, which sent it to the internet. Saturday night, there was only one camera, so they were able to feed the stream directly to a computer and the web. Apparently they also streamed from different computers Friday and Saturday night.

Al DeFlorio

jeff '84
Halfway down, "media/podcast" - the Barry Melrose line 1/27 -- Melrose reiterates that CU is the best team he's seen this year....
[espn.go.com]

He also reiterates Cornell plays on one of the smallest ice surfaces in college hockey. Someone ought to tell him it's standard NHL-sized.

Seeing Cornell cycle the puck in the UNH end for two-plus minutes (more like kick it along the boards) and then get a goal saw Cornell at its most dominating. He would have gotten a different picture seeing the Red Army-style onslaught in game one of the North Dakota series by the [currently] Fighting Sioux.

Barry Melrose you listen to for entertainment value.

Any idea why WHCU went back to the 5 second delay Saturday night.
Did Mike drop an F-bomb on Friday??

Johnny 5
Any idea why WHCU went back to the 5 second delay Saturday night.
Did Mike drop an F-bomb on Friday??

Please make sure you address that question to WHCU. I believe the correct person to contact is Susan Johnston. I corresponded with her about that problem earlier in the year and they backed off. So, I don't know if there has been a policy change or someone just made a mistake Saturday night. Either way, it's a real pain....I just turned my radio off.

Will do.
Thanks!!

Yes, I turned mine off, too.

billhoward
A team plays a defensive game like we do, there must be posts aplenty about us being an allegedly dirty team on the fanboards at Harvard, Brown, etcetera. They do have fanboards?

I don't think they do. You're more likely to find that sentiment on the RPI, Union, and SLU threads at USCHO. RPI likes to call Schafer whiney, but there will always be 2 pages of posts complaining about the officiating after every game they lose.

TimV

billhoward
A team plays a defensive game like we do, there must be posts aplenty about us being an allegedly dirty team on the fanboards at Harvard, Brown, etcetera. They do have fanboards?

I don't think they do. You're more likely to find that sentiment on the RPI, Union, and SLU threads at USCHO. RPI likes to call Schafer whiney, but there will always be 2 pages of posts complaining about the officiating after every game they lose.

Also according to certain USCHO posters SLU would have won the last 10 national titles if not for ECAC refs.

RPI fans aren't unduly whiney. They're just numerous, which means there are going to be a few kids / kids who never grew up. In other words, just like Cornell fans. The whiney fan award goes to St. Lawrence, with nobody else even close. The Colgate threads used to be whiney, but I got the impression it was because of a couple bad apples who have since moved on.