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CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 08, 2025 07:49PM

CU77
Re the 2022 championship game, and taking off the carnelian tinted glasses: yes, the final score was 9-7, but undefeated #1 seed Maryland led 9-2 late in the first half. It was a hot day, it was the 2nd game in 3 days, and the Terps realized they were in full control. So they let up a bit. Had Cornell made a serious threat to win (they did not), I have no doubt that the Terps would have come back up to full speed and dominated again. The Terps had lost the previous year's national championship game to UVa 18-17, and they were on an absolute mission in 2022, much like Cornell this year.
7-2 at halftime...just like 1976. Had Piatelli's dunk at the crease not hit the post and then McNaney's backside before going in, the score would have been 9-7 with 3:30 to go. A "serious threat." Terps were gassed, just as Tillman said they were, multiple times, this year.

 
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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: djk26 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 09, 2025 11:48AM

2009 was...I don't want to say heartbreaking because I was a fan; I'm sure it was heartbreaking for the players and sad for the rest of us. 2022 didn't feel that way because Cornell never led in that game (well, they did lead 1-0, but I mean they didn't surrender a late lead.) In both 2009 and 2022, I thought the team exceeded expectations so to even make the final both years (2022 even more so) was a huge accomplishment.

I say this all to point out that a lot of that disappointment has been erased because the team won in all in 2025! Yes, guys like Max Seibald and Gavin Adler and many (or all, in the case of Seibald) of their teammates never got to be national champions. 2025 doesn't take that away for the players. But it largely does for me as a fan.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 09, 2025 11:54AM

djk, you have my permission to have your heart broken as a fan.

 
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: June 09, 2025 12:11PM

djk26
2009 was...I don't want to say heartbreaking because I was a fan; I'm sure it was heartbreaking for the players and sad for the rest of us. 2022 didn't feel that way because Cornell never led in that game (well, they did lead 1-0, but I mean they didn't surrender a late lead.) In both 2009 and 2022, I thought the team exceeded expectations so to even make the final both years (2022 even more so) was a huge accomplishment.

I say this all to point out that a lot of that disappointment has been erased because the team won in all in 2025! Yes, guys like Max Seibald and Gavin Adler and many (or all, in the case of Seibald) of their teammates never got to be national champions. 2025 doesn't take that away for the players. But it largely does for me as a fan.
2009 was by far the single most heartbreaking loss, in any sport, I have ever experienced (as a fan). Second was probably this season’s final 8 loss to BU in OT in hockey, but the 2009 lacrosse final was far worse. And yes, it did make the 2025 title that much more meaningful to me (again, as a fan). 2009, which occurred the spring of my freshman year, set the stage for the next 15 years of pain as a Cornell sports fan. But maybe 2025 is the beginning of a new era.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: imafrshmn (172.58.125.---)
Date: June 09, 2025 12:11PM

ugarte
djk, you have my permission to have your heart broken as a fan.

This is really at the crux of how sports imitates life. Many of us habitually delay the processing of difficult emotions or don't even realize that stuff is still sitting somewhere in our subconscious mind, and it is only through a moment of ecstatic absolution that we feel it is safe or worthwhile to do that work. Yes, "only sports" teaches us a thing or two about dealing with "real" wounds and traumas.

 
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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Weder (192.72.255.---)
Date: June 09, 2025 12:11PM

There’s another site selling championship gear (for a limited time), and the proceeds apparently go to the team.

[bsnteamsports.com]
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 09, 2025 03:24PM

Weder
There’s another site selling championship gear (for a limited time), and the proceeds apparently go to the team.

[bsnteamsports.com]
Is there an issue with putting all seven letters in the university's name on a shirt?:-(

 
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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: djk26 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 09, 2025 04:51PM

Al DeFlorio
Weder
There’s another site selling championship gear (for a limited time), and the proceeds apparently go to the team.

[bsnteamsports.com]
Is there an issue with putting all seven letters in the university's name on a shirt?:-(

Maybe there is, Maybe it would make the $67.99 for long sleeved men's or women's T-shirt even more expensive. thud
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: June 09, 2025 05:40PM

Other than the hat there is nothing in that list that I would ever buy and actually wear in public
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: The Rancor (73.214.97.---)
Date: June 09, 2025 06:19PM

Best we can do is a bucket hat.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: June 09, 2025 08:18PM

I bought one of the t-shirts from the Campus Store. As well as "National Champions", etc., it says "Cornell" in roughly 1-1/2" letters, "Big Red" in 3/4" letters, along with the huge block "C".

It arrived last week. I'm wearing it as we speak/write.

However, I just went on the webpage and it's no longer offered.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Chris H82 (---.utopia.xmission.net)
Date: June 09, 2025 08:52PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
I bought one of the t-shirts from the Campus Store. As well as "National Champions", etc., it says "Cornell" in roughly 1-1/2" letters, "Big Red" in 3/4" letters, along with the huge block "C".

It arrived last week. I'm wearing it as we speak/write.

However, I just went on the webpage and it's no longer offered.

Keep checking, or call the campus store directly. They pull the web page when the stock gets low , but they might still have some (they did in my case). I was told they had more coming in, in anticipation of Reunion Weekend, and that they were selling like hotcakes!
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: June 09, 2025 09:25PM

Another source for championship duds:

[shop.ivyleaguesports.com]
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2025 09:30PM by CU77.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 09, 2025 10:08PM

upprdeck
Other than the hat there is nothing in that list that I would ever buy and actually wear in public

Those are very busy pieces of clothing.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Chris H82 (---.utopia.xmission.net)
Date: June 09, 2025 10:15PM

mike1960
upprdeck
Other than the hat there is nothing in that list that I would ever buy and actually wear in public

Those are very busy pieces of clothing.

At the pre-game tailgate, I saw some guys with red hats that said something about Cornell National Lax Champs '76(?), and on the side it had the Cornell score above the Maryland (?) score. I would LOVE to have a hat like that for this championship.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 09, 2025 10:30PM

mike1960
upprdeck
Other than the hat there is nothing in that list that I would ever buy and actually wear in public

Those are very busy pieces of clothing.

I’d like to see a red jersey with a large white block C on the front and an equally-sized number 1 in the back. That would say it all for me, plus I could wear it after our next hockey championship.
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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: The Rancor (73.214.97.---)
Date: June 10, 2025 10:02AM

Bring back the leaning bear logo!
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: June 10, 2025 11:22AM

The Rancor
Bring back the leaning bear logo!

+100
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: ER (108.145.134.---)
Date: June 10, 2025 01:23PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
The Rancor
Bring back the leaning bear logo!

+100

You can still find some gear at the Cornell store with the angry bear logo
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 11, 2025 12:06PM

Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Weder (136.226.50.---)
Date: June 11, 2025 01:00PM


I've been hoping that Homefield will make Cornell stuff one day, but this is pretty close to what I'd want!
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: mike1960 (195.179.200.---)
Date: June 11, 2025 01:06PM

Weder

I've been hoping that Homefield will make Cornell stuff one day, but this is pretty close to what I'd want!

If the leaning bear was holding a long pole, I'd definitely buy that.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 11, 2025 01:14PM

Homefield is great but last I looked the only Ivies were Yale and Harvard.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: pfibiger (---.connectivia.net)
Date: June 11, 2025 11:57PM

Email the campus store — if a handful of people ask I imagine they’d explore licensing. I shot them a message.

 
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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Ken711 (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 12, 2025 08:49PM

pfibiger
Email the campus store — if a handful of people ask I imagine they’d explore licensing. I shot them a message.

I emailed them, thanks for the suggestion.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 13, 2025 12:53PM

[www.instagram.com]

Can't get enough!
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: RichH (104.28.57.---)
Date: June 13, 2025 02:35PM

mike1960
[www.instagram.com]

Can't get enough!

It’s Beautiful.

How does one save an Instagram thing locally?
 
Re: Cornell vs Maryland MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 5/26/25 1 PM
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-75.myvzw.com)
Date: June 13, 2025 03:41PM

BearLover
It is impossible to know what Cornell athletics would have achieved if the pandemic had never happened. Maybe men’s hockey, women’s hockey, or men’s lacrosse wins a national title that year or soon after. Perhaps men’s lacrosse wins in 2022 if the pandemic doesn’t lead to Donville transferring to the team that then beat us in the finals.

At the time, the way things were proceeding, the mass exodus of players from the #1 hockey team in the country, the coach of our #1/#2 lacrosse team leaving for Johns Hopkins, losing Morgan Barron and Jeff Teat to the pros after just two postseasons each, it felt like all of Cornell athletics was crashing down and would have to start again from square one.

But this crazy sequence of events led to Buzcek becoming our next head coach, a number of players on the 2020/2021 teams preserving eligibility and giving Cornell numerous fifth and sixth year players, something that would not otherwise be afforded to an Ivy program. Just a few years after the canceled seasons we had maybe the best coach and certainly the best senior class in the entire country. The result: a national championship. Given it’s been almost 50 years since the last one in lacrosse OR hockey (men’s or women’s), in my view yesterday closed the loop on “what could have been” in 2020. I will not again complain about these lost seasons because the winding road of the past few years led Cornell to its first title since 1977.
I’m bumping my earlier thoughts because mike1960 asked if PM would have won a title as coach. To which I say: he could have won, but given how many things have to break right to win a title, it is more likely than not that he would not have won one by now had he stayed at Cornell. A lot of weird things had to happen for this season’s roster, coaching staff, strategy, and lucky bounces to materialize as they did. Even though PM was probably capable of winning a title, had he stayed the universe would not have progressed as it did.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: June 14, 2025 04:00PM

RichH
mike1960
[www.instagram.com]

Can't get enough!

It’s Beautiful.

How does one save an Instagram thing locally?

It's also on youtube: [www.youtube.com]
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Chris H82 (---.utopia.xmission.net)
Date: June 14, 2025 06:17PM

This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts...
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: June 14, 2025 08:07PM

Chris H82
This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts...

Hmmm. I like the angry bear. The dead turtle and lion not so much.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: June 15, 2025 01:54AM

So was the jersey number of 51 a random choice, or a botched attempt at 15?
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: June 15, 2025 12:17PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Chris H82
This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts...

Hmmm. I like the angry bear. The dead turtle and lion not so much.

Looks pretty silly for a licensed product.

 
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@jtwcornell91@hostux.social
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Scersk '97 (216.49.132.---)
Date: June 16, 2025 03:29PM

jtwcornell91
Jeff Hopkins '82
Chris H82
This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts...

Hmmm. I like the angry bear. The dead turtle and lion not so much.

Looks pretty silly for a licensed product.

Silly bears get pretty wild when they vanquish their foes.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: June 17, 2025 09:28AM

Scersk '97
jtwcornell91
Jeff Hopkins '82
Chris H82
This is a different sort of angry Bear on the shirts...

Hmmm. I like the angry bear. The dead turtle and lion not so much.

Looks pretty silly for a licensed product.

Silly bears get pretty wild when they vanquish their foes.

Somebody needs to make a YouTube playlist of all those intros.

 
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@jtwcornell91@hostux.social
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: billhoward (---.datapacket.com)
Date: June 17, 2025 01:47PM

Great video! Shows Cornell is upping its publicity/outreach game via videos. Video has long ago blown by still photos as THE visual medium. My Cornell admittance was helped majorly by winning the NYS HS photographer of the year award. A half-century ago. But, okay, you change with the times and while our younger son learned photography in HS and from me, and now is more wisely in the video / movie production world. He does still photos for a hobby.

Cornell really needs to improve game video starting with Lynah: higher-up cameras (and it can be done), access to the downward facing goal cameras the refs use, maybe (???) a pair of in-goal cams. At least our hockey & lax announcers are good.

Me, I think a good still photo is what you put on the wall. This shot from the West Stands-on-a-trailer thing Cornell brought in. It's low to field for better photos and it provides proximity for parents/fans who want to be heard by the ref. Me, I always believed when you're shooting from the sideline and your son or daughter is on the field (and that includes the joy of their Westfield team (ie Ryan Waldman, Michael Marshall's team) getting its butt kicked by Delbarton lax and hockey), he belongs to the coaches and the refs, not the parents.

 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: billhoward (---.datapacket.com)
Date: June 17, 2025 02:08PM

CU77
So was the jersey number of 51 a random choice, or a botched attempt at 15?
Albert Einstein was dyslexic, too, and still got a job at Princeton.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: June 17, 2025 09:23PM

Just in case this hasn't been posted here yet, here are full official replays of the semifinal and final on youtube:

Semifinal against Penn State

Final against Maryland

And, from Inside Lacrosse, a slide show of the postgame title celebration:

Championship celebration
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 06/19/2025 06:52PM by CU77.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 30, 2025 08:40AM

Am I the only one unaware of the weekly lacrosse podcasts done by Jonathan Donville and Dan Arestia? Just stumbled on to these on youtube and think they are very informative with little extraneous chit-chat. Here's a link to their season wrap-up done after championship weekend:

[www.youtube.com]

 
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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Chris H82 (---.yellowstone.xmission.net)
Date: July 26, 2025 03:22PM

Came across another T-shirt design. Dodges the NC$$ by not referring to them. Yet another Bear, and the Terrapin (it's just a turtle here) looks too happy.
[competitive-edge.co]
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-216-208.myvzw.com)
Date: July 27, 2025 10:35AM

Chris H82
Came across another T-shirt design. Dodges the NC$$ by not referring to them. Yet another Bear, and the Terrapin (it's just a turtle here) looks too happy.
[competitive-edge.co]
ai slop

 
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: PaulHoop (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: August 10, 2025 02:36PM

Coach Buczek just promoted Ciferri to replace Stevens and Griffin from Operations to Assistant Coach. Promoting from within - the Big Red way per Inside Lacrosse
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 10, 2025 02:44PM

PaulHoop
Coach Buczek just promoted Ciferri to replace Stevens and Griffin from Operations to Assistant Coach. Promoting from within - the Big Red way per Inside Lacrosse

Consistency is not a bad thing. Let's hope he develops a formidable defense.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-247-41.myvzw.com)
Date: August 10, 2025 05:13PM

I don’t have the numbers, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 10, 2025 07:28PM

BearLover
I don’t have the numbers, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.
I think part of this could be the effect of having an amazing offense. An offense that scores so much and so quickly gives the opponent a lot of chances that they might not have against a slower, less dynamic offense.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-247-41.myvzw.com)
Date: August 10, 2025 08:00PM

chimpfood
BearLover
I don’t have the numbers, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.
I think part of this could be the effect of having an amazing offense. An offense that scores so much and so quickly gives the opponent a lot of chances that they might not have against a slower, less dynamic offense.
I would be interested in seeing stats like defensive efficiency, which I believe accounts for number of possessions. In lacrosse you can’t really judge an offense or defense or goalie by goals scored/goals allowed because it doesn’t account for number of possessions.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 11, 2025 12:28AM

BearLover
I don’t have the numbers, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.

Could be. But the team played great defense when it really counted. That's what we need if we want to make it back to the big games in May.

In the meantime, last I checked, Cornell remains the national champions of college lacrosse!
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-247-41.myvzw.com)
Date: August 11, 2025 12:56AM

If I’m reading lacrosse reference correctly, last season Cornell had the #1 offensive efficiency and #45 defensive efficiency, *not adjusting* for opponents. To get the opponent-adjusted metric, you’d need to subscribe to pro.lacrossereference.com
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: August 11, 2025 03:55AM

Massey computes offensive and defensive ratings based on his own proprietary methodology which does take into account opponent strength.

He has Cornell 2025 at #11 defense, #1 offense.

[masseyratings.com]

Defensive ranking in prior years: 2024 #27; 2023 #14; 2022 #4

[masseyratings.com]

Change the year in the URL to see other years.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/11/2025 03:57AM by CU77.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: August 11, 2025 07:44AM

CU77
Massey computes offensive and defensive ratings based on his own proprietary methodology which does take into account opponent strength.

He has Cornell 2025 at #11 defense, #1 offense.

[masseyratings.com]

Defensive ranking in prior years: 2024 #27; 2023 #14; 2022 #4

[masseyratings.com]

Change the year in the URL to see other years.
Don't do this to him. He'll have nothing to whine about.

 
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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-247-41.myvzw.com)
Date: August 11, 2025 10:32AM

Al DeFlorio
CU77
Massey computes offensive and defensive ratings based on his own proprietary methodology which does take into account opponent strength.

He has Cornell 2025 at #11 defense, #1 offense.

[masseyratings.com]

Defensive ranking in prior years: 2024 #27; 2023 #14; 2022 #4

[masseyratings.com]

Change the year in the URL to see other years.
Don't do this to him. He'll have nothing to whine about.
You have a comically low bar for what constitutes “whining.” Wahhh I’m so upset I can’t whine anymore about *checks notes* a defensive coordinator who isn’t even here anymore and who I praised as a Cornell legend a few pages back. I must really love whining about him, and I must be absolutely crushed that CU77 provided these statistics, especially considering I *checks notes* asked for these statistics to be provided.

Back to the actual topic, our mean defensive ranking with Stevens as DC was 14th. That’s solid, but not great, considering we are a better than top-14 program (both traditionally and in that span). Our offense in that time was 10th, 8th, 5th, and 1st (average of 6th). Outside of 2022 we didn’t have much of a shut-down defense. Thus, while our defense is impact by Stevens’ departure, I do not feel like we are losing a strength of our program. (Obviously, he contributed greatly in recruiting and other things as well.)
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 11, 2025 11:38AM

Al DeFlorio
CU77
Massey computes offensive and defensive ratings based on his own proprietary methodology which does take into account opponent strength.

He has Cornell 2025 at #11 defense, #1 offense.

[masseyratings.com]

Defensive ranking in prior years: 2024 #27; 2023 #14; 2022 #4

[masseyratings.com]

Change the year in the URL to see other years.
Don't do this to him. He'll have nothing to whine about.

That 2022 team was pretty darned good, full of young guys who went on to win the national championship.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: jjanow99 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 11, 2025 07:14PM

mike1960
BearLover
I don’t have the numbers, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like Cornell never had very good statistical defenses under Stevens. Even last year, our defense was pedestrian while the rest of our team was great.

Could be. But the team played great defense when it really counted. That's what we need if we want to make it back to the big games in May.

In the meantime, last I checked, Cornell remains the national champions of college lacrosse!

My thoughts exactly. In the last 3 games they gave up 12/9/10. I think that having all of the SSDMs back and healthy made a huge difference. I’m wondering if Box and Bozzi were kept out of the ILT just to be sure they were at 100%. I’ve watched these games multiple times now, and am very impressed with the SSDM contingent.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-247-39.myvzw.com)
Date: August 15, 2025 01:18PM

Jack Cascadden (previously class of ‘26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.

With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We’ll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.

I would not be surprised at all if we’re seeded in next year’s NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: August 15, 2025 09:03PM

BearLover
Jack Cascadden (previously class of ‘26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.

With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We’ll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.

I would not be surprised at all if we’re seeded in next year’s NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
cheercheercheer

 
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Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 16, 2025 11:11AM

Al DeFlorio
BearLover
Jack Cascadden (previously class of ‘26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.

With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We’ll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.

I would not be surprised at all if we’re seeded in next year’s NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
cheercheercheer

Some "experts" are even more optimistic: Brown: My Top 10 NCAA Men's DI Contenders For 2026
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: August 16, 2025 11:27AM

Swampy
Al DeFlorio
BearLover
Jack Cascadden (previously class of ‘26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.

With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We’ll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.

I would not be surprised at all if we’re seeded in next year’s NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
cheercheercheer

Some "experts" are even more optimistic: Brown: My Top 10 NCAA Men's DI Contenders For 2026

Interesting how high he has Richmond ranked.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 16, 2025 12:27PM

Swampy
Al DeFlorio
BearLover
Jack Cascadden (previously class of ‘26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.

With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We’ll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.

I would not be surprised at all if we’re seeded in next year’s NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
cheercheercheer

Some "experts" are even more optimistic: Brown: My Top 10 NCAA Men's DI Contenders For 2026

I don't see how it is possible to know where teams truly rank until around the middle of the season.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: RichH (104.28.78.---)
Date: August 16, 2025 12:37PM

mike1960
Swampy
Al DeFlorio
BearLover
Jack Cascadden (previously class of ‘26) is listed on his LinkedIn as graduating in 2027. Presumably he has taken/will take off two semesters to preserve eligibility after he tore his ACL. I wonder if AJ Nikolic will do the same after missing last season.

With Cascadden having two more years of eligibility I am bullish on the next two seasons. We’ll be winning faceoffs and getting the ball to Goldstein/Firth/Nurry (incoming freshman), which should be one of the best attacks in the country. Our D and midfield were so deep last year that we should still be solid there despite all the graduations.

I would not be surprised at all if we’re seeded in next year’s NCAAs despite losing more talent to graduation than any other team in the country. In two years I predict we will be competitive for another national title.
cheercheercheer

Some "experts" are even more optimistic: Brown: My Top 10 NCAA Men's DI Contenders For 2026

I don't see how it is possible to know where teams truly rank until around the middle of the season.

It’s not, but CONTENT for the off-season. Gotta keep the clicks.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: scoop85 (---.biz.spectrum.com)
Date: September 11, 2025 10:38PM

Right after we beat Maryland someone posted here that they were happy to trade the success of their professional teams for a Cornell championship, and I wholeheartedly agreed with them. Well, with the Mets in freefall and the Giants looking miserable after one game, God is putting me to the test (but I still stand by my prior assertion).
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: September 12, 2025 09:32AM

scoop85
Right after we beat Maryland someone posted here that they were happy to trade the success of their professional teams for a Cornell championship, and I wholeheartedly agreed with them. Well, with the Mets in freefall and the Giants looking miserable after one game, God is putting me to the test (but I still stand by my prior assertion).

I think God is making it easy for you. She's taking you up on your word.
 
Re: CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: September 12, 2025 06:36PM

Swampy
scoop85
Right after we beat Maryland someone posted here that they were happy to trade the success of their professional teams for a Cornell championship, and I wholeheartedly agreed with them. Well, with the Mets in freefall and the Giants looking miserable after one game, God is putting me to the test (but I still stand by my prior assertion).

I think God is making it easy for you. She's taking you up on your word.

As a Phillies and Eagles fan, I'm glad I didn't make such a pledge.
 
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