CORNELL WINS 2025 MENS LACROSSE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!

Not sure where to post this, so here goes:

Connor has announced that Jordan Stevens is leaving the lacrosse world. I'm happy for Jordan & sad for us.

From Connor: Supporters of Cornell Lacrosse,

On the heels of a historic weekend, I’m writing with news of a staffing change. Jordan Stevens has decided to step away from the coaching profession to pursue other career opportunities. Jordan has been a foundational piece for our staff since he joined the Big Red coaching staff in the summer of 2016. He has poured his heart and soul into our program, working diligently to coordinate a great defense, but more importantly, to mold men of character that are prepared to achieve great things in their time after Cornell. He is passionate and caring, and every person in our locker room has felt his love for our student-athletes and his pride in Cornell Lacrosse.

Jordan will be missed by every person in our program, but selfishly, I will miss his presence immensely. He has been by my side for the vast majority of the past 15 years. We have worked in tandem to uphold the standards of Cornell Lacrosse and ensure that our program is one that our players, alums and supporters can be proud of. I can say emphatically that we would not have attained the level of success and stability that we achieved following our transition into our new roles had he not been by my side. As disappointed as I am to lose a friend and colleague on the sidelines, I am happy for him and his family that he has chosen to make a career pivot that better suits their aspirations. We will immediately begin a search for his replacement with hopes of replicating many of the same qualities that made Jordan such a great coach, mentor, recruiter and leader of our young men. Jordan will forever be an important member of the Long Red Line.

Best,

Connor

Jordan wanted to share a few thoughts with the Cornell Lacrosse Family. Please see below:

Cornell Lacrosse Family,

Since I was eighteen years old, Cornell Lacrosse has been the core of my life. The relationships, experiences and adversities have shaped me into the man I am today. I can say with confidence that I’ve poured my heart and soul into the program we all love, but somehow, I’ve still received more in return.

I’m writing today to share a personal update. After plenty of thought, I have decided to step down as the Mario St. George Boiardi ’04 Associate Head Coach of Men’s Lacrosse. As difficult as this decision is, in my heart I know it is the right one. I’m stepping away not because my love for this program has lessened – far from it – but because it is time to fully invest in my family and the lifestyle we envision. Putting my heart into this program has been an honor and privilege, and now, it is time for me to pour that time, love and passion into the ones that have supported me unconditionally every step of the way.

As competitors, we set out to win championships without compromising our standards, sticking true to the values that bind the generations of this program together. The joy we all experienced on Memorial Day was preceded by decades of sacrifice, love, hard work and resilience, and I could not be prouder to have been a part of it and so many other special moments along the way. The personal memories are endless – the team attending my wedding at Sage Chapel, my son learning to walk in the locker room and on Schoellkopf Field, going to battle with teammates and players I love. As I reflect, I cannot help but feel an overwhelming sense of gratitude to have been surrounded by such loyal, driven and humble people during the most influential years of my life.

At this point, it’s well known how unique the Cornell Lacrosse Program is. More than most, I’ve had a front row view of that, and the culture that is Cornell Lacrosse will forever be deep within the fabric of who I am and how I live. What makes this program so special isn’t just the wins and losses, it’s you. The alumni who paved the way, the families who support through thick and thin, the fans who never stop believing, and the players – past, present, and future, who give their all for Cornell today and every day. As both a player and coach, you all have supported my personal and professional growth time and time again.

Finally, I am grateful to move on to our family’s next chapter at a time when the program has never been stronger. On and off the field, I believe Cornell Lacrosse is headed towards even brighter days ahead, in large part due to the incredible staff. Lead by Connor, they are incredible coaches, but more importantly people I love, trust and will miss dearly. Despite closing this chapter, I will never be distant from Cornell. I look forward to supporting the Big Red from wherever my next adventure takes me and continuing the relationships that mean so much to me. I truly believe the program will continue to build off the success and momentum earned this year, but what I’m most proud of, is that I know the values, standards and toughness will never change.


With love,
Jordan Stevens

Here are two local news stories on the Cornell lacrosse players' graduation. In the first one, while Connor Buczek is speaking to the media, you can hear "Free Bird" in the background. Either the NCAA is now regulating graduation ceremonies, or the team likes that song more than we thought.

[www.wbng.com]

[www.youtube.com]

jjanow99
Not sure where to post this, so here goes:

Connor has announced that Jordan Stevens is leaving the lacrosse world. I'm happy for Jordan & sad for us.

From Connor: Supporters of Cornell Lacrosse,

On the heels of a historic weekend, I’m writing with news of a staffing change. Jordan Stevens has decided to step away from the coaching profession to pursue other career opportunities. Jordan has been a foundational piece for our staff since he joined the Big Red coaching staff in the summer of 2016. He has poured his heart and soul into our program, working diligently to coordinate a great defense, but more importantly, to mold men of character that are prepared to achieve great things in their time after Cornell. He is passionate and caring, and every person in our locker room has felt his love for our student-athletes and his pride in Cornell Lacrosse.

Jordan will be missed by every person in our program, but selfishly, I will miss his presence immensely. He has been by my side for the vast majority of the past 15 years. We have worked in tandem to uphold the standards of Cornell Lacrosse and ensure that our program is one that our players, alums and supporters can be proud of. I can say emphatically that we would not have attained the level of success and stability that we achieved following our transition into our new roles had he not been by my side. As disappointed as I am to lose a friend and colleague on the sidelines, I am happy for him and his family that he has chosen to make a career pivot that better suits their aspirations. We will immediately begin a search for his replacement with hopes of replicating many of the same qualities that made Jordan such a great coach, mentor, recruiter and leader of our young men. Jordan will forever be an important member of the Long Red Line.

Best,

Connor

Jordan wanted to share a few thoughts with the Cornell Lacrosse Family. Please see below:

Cornell Lacrosse Family,

Since I was eighteen years old, Cornell Lacrosse has been the core of my life. The relationships, experiences and adversities have shaped me into the man I am today. I can say with confidence that I’ve poured my heart and soul into the program we all love, but somehow, I’ve still received more in return.

I’m writing today to share a personal update. After plenty of thought, I have decided to step down as the Mario St. George Boiardi ’04 Associate Head Coach of Men’s Lacrosse. As difficult as this decision is, in my heart I know it is the right one. I’m stepping away not because my love for this program has lessened – far from it – but because it is time to fully invest in my family and the lifestyle we envision. Putting my heart into this program has been an honor and privilege, and now, it is time for me to pour that time, love and passion into the ones that have supported me unconditionally every step of the way.

As competitors, we set out to win championships without compromising our standards, sticking true to the values that bind the generations of this program together. The joy we all experienced on Memorial Day was preceded by decades of sacrifice, love, hard work and resilience, and I could not be prouder to have been a part of it and so many other special moments along the way. The personal memories are endless – the team attending my wedding at Sage Chapel, my son learning to walk in the locker room and on Schoellkopf Field, going to battle with teammates and players I love. As I reflect, I cannot help but feel an overwhelming sense of gratitude to have been surrounded by such loyal, driven and humble people during the most influential years of my life.

At this point, it’s well known how unique the Cornell Lacrosse Program is. More than most, I’ve had a front row view of that, and the culture that is Cornell Lacrosse will forever be deep within the fabric of who I am and how I live. What makes this program so special isn’t just the wins and losses, it’s you. The alumni who paved the way, the families who support through thick and thin, the fans who never stop believing, and the players – past, present, and future, who give their all for Cornell today and every day. As both a player and coach, you all have supported my personal and professional growth time and time again.

Finally, I am grateful to move on to our family’s next chapter at a time when the program has never been stronger. On and off the field, I believe Cornell Lacrosse is headed towards even brighter days ahead, in large part due to the incredible staff. Lead by Connor, they are incredible coaches, but more importantly people I love, trust and will miss dearly. Despite closing this chapter, I will never be distant from Cornell. I look forward to supporting the Big Red from wherever my next adventure takes me and continuing the relationships that mean so much to me. I truly believe the program will continue to build off the success and momentum earned this year, but what I’m most proud of, is that I know the values, standards and toughness will never change.


With love,
Jordan Stevens

We're going to miss him. He turned that defense into a championship caliber unit over the course of the year. There's not a ton of money in coaching college lacrosse, especially for assistant coaches. I hope he has great success in his next endeavor.

Larry72
They did!!

Nice to see President Kotlikoff, Provost Bala and all the deans there, too! Also, Jimmy Rayhill, who obviously went to the game to watch his brother play.
.

Sad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?

BearLover
Sad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?

The Education Department tracks this, but the averages probably aren't particularly useful in trying to figure out what the pay for a specific position is (especially the ones that are endowed). It appears that not all of the coaching positions are full-time as well. (EDIT: The data is for 2022-23.)

But the averages:

Men's team head coach: $157,746
Men's team asst. coach: $67,478
Women's team head coach: $111,277
Women's team asst. coach: $56,668

Agree with George64. Little doubt that the Cornell senior leadership cares about athletics. LGR!

Weder

BearLover
Sad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?

The Education Department tracks this, but the averages probably aren't particularly useful in trying to figure out what the pay for a specific position is (especially the ones that are endowed). It appears that not all of the coaching positions are full-time as well. (EDIT: The data is for 2022-23.)

But the averages:

Men's team head coach: $157,746
Men's team asst. coach: $67,478
Women's team head coach: $111,277
Women's team asst. coach: $56,668

Is this Division 1? Probably safe to assume the head assistant, as Stevens was, makes more than the average? It was probably time to ride off into the sunset and fulfill his destiny as a finance bro. No shame in that. Cornell legend.

Jordan Stevens was the Mario St George Boiardi Associate Head Coach, so that position is endowed.

Larry72

George64

stereax
From Kotlikoff:


Cornell University Logo
Dear Cornellians,

Please join us in celebrating Cornell’s men’s lacrosse team for their electrifying NCAA championship victory May 26 over the University of Maryland. Our Big Red players demonstrated grit, determination, leadership and sportsmanship at every step of this historic season.

This victory marks Cornell’s first NCAA team title in any sport since men’s lacrosse won the same championship in 1977. Led by Connor Buczek ’15, the Richard M. Moran Head Coach of Men’s Lacrosse, the team soared in every way, tying a Division I record (18-1), leading the nation in scoring, winning Ivy League titles and producing eight All-American players.

The team’s amazing season embodies the best of Cornell, showcasing our values of hard work and perseverance. Their incredible sense of community and teamwork guided them to this victory.

We invite all on the Ithaca campus to join us in honoring the champions with a campus procession at 4:45 p.m. this afternoon, starting at Tanner Terrace in Schoellkopf Hall, along Campus Road, and ending in the Crescent Parking Lot.

Please join me and Cornell Board of Trustees Chair Kraig Kayser, on behalf of the entire Board of Trustees, in congratulating the team members and celebrating their Cornell milestone.

Go Big Red!

Michael I. Kotlikoff
President

Kraig H. Kayser, MBA ’84
Chair of the Cornell Board of Trustees

It would be a nice gesture, if Cornell were to hold a small commencement ceremony for the seniors who helped Cornell win this championship. Several protracted their eligibility when they could have moved on, degree in hand, and made some money. Kudos to them and the rest of the team for their accomplishments.

They did!!

They have been doing this since at least 2009; maybe 2007. My memory of details is foggy....

BearLover

Weder

BearLover
Sad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?

The Education Department tracks this, but the averages probably aren't particularly useful in trying to figure out what the pay for a specific position is (especially the ones that are endowed). It appears that not all of the coaching positions are full-time as well. (EDIT: The data is for 2022-23.)

But the averages:

Men's team head coach: $157,746
Men's team asst. coach: $67,478
Women's team head coach: $111,277
Women's team asst. coach: $56,668

Is this Division 1? Probably safe to assume the head assistant, as Stevens was, makes more than the average? It was probably time to ride off into the sunset and fulfill his destiny as a finance bro. No shame in that. Cornell legend.

Sorry, those are the average salaries at Cornell.

Weder

BearLover

Weder

BearLover
Sad about Stevens but understandable and he won us a natty so he will always be a Cornell legend. Does anybody know how much a Cornell lacrosse assistant probably makes? How about head coach?

The Education Department tracks this, but the averages probably aren't particularly useful in trying to figure out what the pay for a specific position is (especially the ones that are endowed). It appears that not all of the coaching positions are full-time as well. (EDIT: The data is for 2022-23.)

But the averages:

Men's team head coach: $157,746
Men's team asst. coach: $67,478
Women's team head coach: $111,277
Women's team asst. coach: $56,668

Is this Division 1? Probably safe to assume the head assistant, as Stevens was, makes more than the average? It was probably time to ride off into the sunset and fulfill his destiny as a finance bro. No shame in that. Cornell legend.

Sorry, those are the average salaries at Cornell.

If I had to guess, at least a few hundreds of thousands given the profile of the sport at the school but likely not as high as at places like Syracuse, UVA, or Notre Dame. And of course not nearly as high as basketball or other typically high-profile college sports.

Cornell Sports posted video of the full ceremony:

[www.youtube.com]

This 2023 article on coaches' salaries at Maryland gives an idea:

[dbknews.com]

Tillman had a base salary of $380K and supplemental income of $110K.

Another comparison: Michigan head coach Kevin Conry had a base salary of $240K in 2024, assistant coach Scott Bieda (on staff since 2022) had a base salary of $99K.

[www.umsalary.info]

Cornell salaries will almost certainly not be higher than Michigan's.

For those with short memories, Michigan upset #8 seed Cornell in the first round of the 2023 NCAA tournament.

I wonder when I'll take off my lucky Cornell hoodie. I'm still flying about the fact that we're the National Champions in lacrosse.

George64

Larry72
They did!!

Nice to see President Kotlikoff, Provost Bala and all the deans there, too! Also, Jimmy Rayhill, who obviously went to the game to watch his brother play.
.

Wait, that is Jimmy???

Also... the flip flops... sobbing.

Here’s the link to this very special commencement! Go Big Red!

mike1960
I wonder when I'll take off my lucky Cornell hoodie. I'm still flying about the fact that we're the National Champions in lacrosse.

I'm still flying high as well. I've rewatched the full game twice and have watched no fewer than five different condensed versions of the game on YouTube.

Don't think this excellent piece from the Daily Orange has been shared here yet: [dailyorange.com]

Chris '03
Don't think this excellent piece from the Daily Orange has been shared here yet: [dailyorange.com]

It's an excellent article, except for one major factual error: "Richie Moran established Cornell’s program in the modern era of college lacrosse."

I don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.

In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.

In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game! But Ned took over hockey, and Cornell became a perennial powerhouse, winning NC's in 1967 & 1970.

At the time, Cornell's lacrosse team had a record similar to that of the pre-Ned hockey team. In 1965, the lacrosse coach, Bob Cullin, asked Ned to help out with the team. The next day, two assistant coaches for the lacrosse team died in a plane crash while on a recruiting trip. So, Ned's participation with the team suddenly grew. He described meeting the team for the first time and saying, "I don't know you, and you don't know me, but you're going to run more today than you ever have in your lifetime." If the hard-hat culture of Cornell Lacrosse has a birth date, that was it!

Two years later, Cullen stepped down, and the administration asked Ned to take over as Head Coach of both hockey and lacrosse. Under Cullen, the team's record was 16-24, but under Harkness, between 1966 and 1968, the lacrosse team's record was 35-1, including 2 undefeated seasons.

Despite the unblemished seasons, Cornell did not win the NC because back then it was done by vote, and with the major lacrosse schools located in the Baltimore area, a Baltimore team always seemed to get the most votes. Nonetheless, Cornell under Harkness had become an embarrassment for the NC$$, and it implemented a tournament in which, starting in 1971, playing for the title would replace voting. Meanwhile, Ned stepped down from being the lacrosse coach, and Richie Moran took over in 1969.

By coincidence, around this time, lacrosse sticks underwent a radical technological change, with the older, wooden sticks and leather netting being replaced by plastic baskets, nylon netting, and metal shafts. Because these new sticks were much easier to use, participation in the sport exploded.

I think it's fair to speculate that without Ned Harkness, there would have been no NCAA Lacrosse Championship in 1971, and likely not for several years after that. None of this detracts from what Richie accomplished, but as one familiar with this history, it's Ned Harkness who established the Cornell Lacrosse we celebrate today.

Swampy

Chris '03
Don't think this excellent piece from the Daily Orange has been shared here yet: [dailyorange.com]

It's an excellent article, except for one major factual error: "Richie Moran established Cornell’s program in the modern era of college lacrosse."

I don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.

In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.

In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game! But Ned took over hockey, and Cornell became a perennial powerhouse, winning NC's in 1967 & 1970.

At the time, Cornell's lacrosse team had a record similar to that of the pre-Ned hockey team. In 1965, the lacrosse coach, Bob Cullin, asked Ned to help out with the team. The next day, two assistant coaches for the lacrosse team died in a plane crash while on a recruiting trip. So, Ned's participation with the team suddenly grew. He described meeting the team for the first time and saying, "I don't know you, and you don't know me, but you're going to run more today than you ever have in your lifetime." If the hard-hat culture of Cornell Lacrosse has a birth date, that was it!

Two years later, Cullen stepped down, and the administration asked Ned to take over as Head Coach of both hockey and lacrosse. Under Cullen, the team's record was 16-24, but under Harkness, between 1966 and 1968, the lacrosse team's record was 35-1, including 2 undefeated seasons.

Despite the unblemished seasons, Cornell did not win the NC because back then it was done by vote, and with the major lacrosse schools located in the Baltimore area, a Baltimore team always seemed to get the most votes. Nonetheless, Cornell under Harkness had become an embarrassment for the NC$$, and it implemented a tournament in which, starting in 1971, playing for the title would replace voting. Meanwhile, Ned stepped down from being the lacrosse coach, and Richie Moran took over in 1969.

By coincidence, around this time, lacrosse sticks underwent a radical technological change, with the older, wooden sticks and leather netting being replaced by plastic baskets, nylon netting, and metal shafts. Because these new sticks were much easier to use, participation in the sport exploded.

I think it's fair to speculate that without Ned Harkness, there would have been no NCAA Lacrosse Championship in 1971, and likely not for several years after that. None of this detracts from what Richie accomplished, but as one familiar with this history, it's Ned Harkness who established the Cornell Lacrosse we celebrate today.

For those who haven't read Christian Swezey's book, "We Showed Baltimore", it's a must-read for any Cornell lacrosse fan: [www.cornellpress.cornell.edu]. Of course Swezey now needs to do a 2nd edition adding the newest chapter of Cornell lacrosse glory

Swampy
I don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.

In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.

In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game!

Uh-uh. Cornell beat a great Harvard team 2-1 winter of 1961-1962 in Lynah under Paul Patten. Start of the Lynah Faithful. Probably other Ivy wins, too.

Al DeFlorio

Swampy
I don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.

In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.

In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game!

Uh-uh. Cornell beat a great Harvard team 2-1 winter of 1961-1962 in Lynah under Paul Patten. Start of the Lynah Faithful. Probably other Ivy wins, too.

That doesn't really contradict the words "Until 1961".

On the other hand, Cornell defeated Penn a few times in 1959 and 1960, which does contradict those words - maybe "had never won a game against an Ivy League opponent that still has a hockey team today"?

Beeeej

Al DeFlorio

Swampy
I don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.

In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.

In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game!

Uh-uh. Cornell beat a great Harvard team 2-1 winter of 1961-1962 in Lynah under Paul Patten. Start of the Lynah Faithful. Probably other Ivy wins, too.

That doesn't really contradict the words "Until 1961".

On the other hand, Cornell defeated Penn a few times in 1959 and 1960, which does contradict those words - maybe "had never won a game against an Ivy League opponent that still has a hockey team today"?

No wonder this article on the Big Red Sports Network is anonymous.

Swampy

Beeeej

Al DeFlorio

Swampy
I don't wish to diminish Richie in any way, but the honor of establishing Cornell as a lacrosse power should go to Ned Harkness.

In 1941, he became a volunteer coach of RPI's new lacrosse club. After serving as a bombardier in the RCAF during WWII, in 1945, he became the coach of RPI's new varsity lacrosse team. In 1951, Ned was named "U.S. Lacrosse Coach of the Year," and in 1952, his team won the National Championship. He also restarted RPI's ice hockey program in 1949 and led the team to an NC in 1954.

In 1963, he left RPI to coach hockey at Cornell. Until 1961, Cornell had the longest losing streak in the Ivy League and had never won an Ivy League game!

Uh-uh. Cornell beat a great Harvard team 2-1 winter of 1961-1962 in Lynah under Paul Patten. Start of the Lynah Faithful. Probably other Ivy wins, too.

That doesn't really contradict the words "Until 1961".

On the other hand, Cornell defeated Penn a few times in 1959 and 1960, which does contradict those words - maybe "had never won a game against an Ivy League opponent that still has a hockey team today"?

No wonder this article on the Big Red Sports Network is anonymous.

Lots of potential culprits, though...

Great article.

The Long Red Line

Ken711
Great article.

The Long Red Line

Indeed. Makes you proud.

Thanks.

Ken711
Great article.

The Long Red Line

Yes, but mistakenly puts French on the 1977 unbeaten lacrosse team, much like some think Dryden backstopped the unbeaten 1970 hockey team.

Dryden did backstop the one-loss 1967 hockey team to an NCAA championship as a "sophomore sensation" (Cornell Daily Sun description of him after an early season win), and IIRC he did not play in that one loss.

CU77
Dryden did backstop the one-loss 1967 hockey team to an NCAA championship as a "sophomore sensation" (Cornell Daily Sun description of him after an early season win), and IIRC he did not play in that one loss.

You are correct, Dave Quarrie, a senior, played in two games that year, including a 3-4 OT loss to Yale at Lynah. His GPG average was 2.86, almost double Dryden 1.46 for the other 27 games. The following game was a 3-3 tie, after two OTs, against BU in the Boston Arena Christmas Tournament. I remember listening to it on the radio back in Ithaca.

BTW, there was no scoring in the first 10 minute OT, so the coaches agreed to play a second 10 minute period. After 20 scoreless minutes, the game was declared a tie, and Cornell and BU were named co-champions.

George64

CU77
Dryden did backstop the one-loss 1967 hockey team to an NCAA championship as a "sophomore sensation" (Cornell Daily Sun description of him after an early season win), and IIRC he did not play in that one loss.

You are correct, Dave Quarrie, a senior, played in two games that year, including a 3-4 OT loss to Yale at Lynah. His GPG average was 2.86, almost double Dryden 1.46 for the other 27 games. The following game was a 3-3 tie, after two OTs, against BU in the Boston Arena Christmas Tournament. I remember listening to it on the radio back in Ithaca.

BTW, there was no scoring in the first 10 minute OT, so the coaches agreed to play a second 10 minute period. After 20 scoreless minutes, the game was declared a tie, and Cornell and BU were named co-champions.

IIRC, the Yale loss followed the BU tie. Both Cornell and BU were unbeaten going into that tournament game.

Al DeFlorio
IIRC, the Yale loss followed the BU tie. Both Cornell and BU were unbeaten going into that tournament game.

You’re correct.

No game today.

That's because the season is over and we are THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

I am very late to this particular party (regarding the new Field House), but is the idea that the Field House will host lacrosse games? It would be cool to see early season games better attended, if the national championship can stir up more interest on campus. Does anyone know when it will open and what the seating capacity will be?

it was not really designed to host games with any size crowd thats very large.. Hopefully it will allow a game to at least still by on ESPN+

djk26
I am very late to this particular party (regarding the new Field House), but is the idea that the Field House will host lacrosse games? It would be cool to see early season games better attended, if the national championship can stir up more interest on campus. Does anyone know when it will open and what the seating capacity will be?

Yes, they’ll be able to play games in the new field house when the weather isn’t conducive for an outdoor game. I believe spectator capacity may be a bit under 1,000 people.

scoop85

djk26
I am very late to this particular party (regarding the new Field House), but is the idea that the Field House will host lacrosse games? It would be cool to see early season games better attended, if the national championship can stir up more interest on campus. Does anyone know when it will open and what the seating capacity will be?

Yes, they’ll be able to play games in the new field house when the weather isn’t conducive for an outdoor game. I believe spectator capacity may be a bit under 1,000 people.

Official attendance at early home games:
Feb 22 Denver 644
Mar 8 Penn State 1644
Mar 22 Princeton 2023
Mar 29 Penn 1244

Sounds similar to the Michigan field house. I remember a game against them where it was moved to that location at the last minute. Capacity was minimal and the sightlines for the goalkeepers were not what you'd want. Looking it up, we did come away with the W though: [cornellbigred.com]

scoop85

djk26
I am very late to this particular party (regarding the new Field House), but is the idea that the Field House will host lacrosse games? It would be cool to see early season games better attended, if the national championship can stir up more interest on campus. Does anyone know when it will open and what the seating capacity will be?

Yes, they’ll be able to play games in the new field house when the weather isn’t conducive for an outdoor game. I believe spectator capacity may be a bit under 1,000 people.

I'm not sure it will accommodate 1,000 fans. The upper mezzanine area for fans is more likely limited to 100 fans at most. Whether there's space on the field level that would accommodate more fans, if allowed, is also a question.

the way cornell safety works I dont know that letting normal people stand in the way of a lax ball will be allowed much.

How much room is even off the field for the players to not hist walls is a question.

upprdeck
the way cornell safety works I dont know that letting normal people stand in the way of a lax ball will be allowed much.

How much room is even off the field for the players to not hist walls is a question.

Very true. I suppose some fans could watch the game from outside through the windows on the corners of the facility.

I wonder if there will be set criteria for moving games indoors or if it will be based on ~*vibes*~

I happened to be at the same Ithaca hotel as the Dartmouth women's tennis team a few months back and overheard one of the coaches talking to someone about the exact criteria that tennis uses to determine whether matches are held indoors or outdoors. (He mentioned it was moot because Cornell hosted all of its matches indoors this spring because of work on the outdoor courts, though apparently Dartmouth declined the option to play outdoors at IC.)

Weder
I wonder if there will be set criteria for moving games indoors or if it will be based on ~*vibes*~

I happened to be at the same Ithaca hotel as the Dartmouth women's tennis team a few months back and overheard one of the coaches talking to someone about the exact criteria that tennis uses to determine whether matches are held indoors or outdoors. (He mentioned it was moot because Cornell hosted all of its matches indoors this spring because of work on the outdoor courts, though apparently Dartmouth declined the option to play outdoors at IC.)

Assuming it would be whether Schoellkopf Field is unplayable (ice and/or snow).

Ken711

Weder
I wonder if there will be set criteria for moving games indoors or if it will be based on ~*vibes*~

I happened to be at the same Ithaca hotel as the Dartmouth women's tennis team a few months back and overheard one of the coaches talking to someone about the exact criteria that tennis uses to determine whether matches are held indoors or outdoors. (He mentioned it was moot because Cornell hosted all of its matches indoors this spring because of work on the outdoor courts, though apparently Dartmouth declined the option to play outdoors at IC.)

Assuming it would be whether Schoellkopf Field is unplayable (ice and/or snow).

One example

Buczek and Graap
With competition beginning in February, lacrosse players at Cornell have played in some very challenging conditions.

“Currently, we are at the will of the weather in upstate New York,” said Connor Buczek, Cornell’s men’s varsity lacrosse coach.

The 2024 season had some especially bad conditions throughout.

“We probably would have played upwards of six or seven games indoors based on the weather that we had,” Graap said. “It’s more than I would have thought, to be honest.”

For Graap, the women’s game Feb. 17 against the University of California, Berkeley, stands out as particularly difficult.

“At our game with Cal Berkeley, we had a whiteout snowstorm,” said Graap. “Into the second quarter we could no longer see the restraining lines and the crease. We couldn’t see the critical lines on the field.”

Cornell ended up winning that game 13-7, but the game stands out to Graap as an example of weather getting in the way of competition.

“The grounds crew was able to sweep the field and get that layer of snow off, so the second half was much better,” she said, “but we shouldn’t have that challenge of the elements.”

I'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.

imafrshmn
I'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.

It's all been shite since we put up lights.

Scersk '97

imafrshmn
I'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.

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It is ironic that the author uses a euphemism.

Trotsky
It's all been shite since we put up lights.

Those lights are awful. You gotta wear sunglasses and a cap or you get blinded out there.

Unrelated and not sure if anyone has mentioned this but it would’ve been great to hear Barry call the championship game.

arugula
Unrelated and not sure if anyone has mentioned this but it would’ve been great to hear Barry call the championship game.

+1

Miss the guy but happy retirement to him!

arugula
Unrelated and not sure if anyone has mentioned this but it would’ve been great to hear Barry call the championship game.

I absolutely thought of him amongst the many.

It’s been a week, but we’re still the NCAA Champs!!

mike1960

Scersk '97

imafrshmn
I'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.

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It is ironic that the author uses a euphemism.

Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice…

Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

As a graduate student, it should be noted. He played 4 years of lax at Cornell.

How many years of NCAA eligibility does a player have? Ivy League doesn't allow grad students on teams but how can someone play anywhere as a grad student if he has already used four years somewhere else? I thought NCAA eligibility was four years, not five.

djk26
How many years of NCAA eligibility does a player have? Ivy League doesn't allow grad students on teams but how can someone play anywhere as a grad student if he has already used four years somewhere else? I thought NCAA eligibility was four years, not five.

They typically have 5 years complete 4 years of eligibility. Wallace didn't see any action in his sophomore year and played in only 8 games in 2024. I assume he was granted an injury waiver for a graduate year.

Scersk '97

mike1960

Scersk '97

imafrshmn
I'm a bit of a contrarian with respect to outdoor weather and lacrosse. Yes, there is that player safety issue to contend with. But if we are to uphold the true spirit of the game, if we are to keep what makes geography interesting, i think nature should not be cut out of it.

photo_slider01.jpg

It is ironic that the author uses a euphemism.

Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice…

Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.

mike1960

Scersk '97
Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice…

Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.

Rendell was certainly "colorful," and he did some good in his time. This book was probably his mini-Giuliani moment. At least there was no hair dye running down his face as he rode off into the sunset.

My commentary, if there could be said to be such by dropping in a picture, was only that there is a long, relatively silly debate over just this kind of thing. As an upstate New Yorker, I'll say that there is some point to the elements "building character"; I'll also say that can go way too far. (Note the struggles our crew team has getting out some seasons.)

I want the lacrosse team to use the facility just enough to get in quality practice but not too much as to lose the well-known weather-related aspects of our home-field advantage, which there is no shame in exploiting.

Scersk '97

mike1960

Scersk '97
Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice…

Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.

Rendell was certainly "colorful," and he did some good in his time. This book was probably his mini-Giuliani moment. At least there was no hair dye running down his face as he rode off into the sunset.

My commentary, if there could be said to be such by dropping in a picture, was only that there is a long, relatively silly debate over just this kind of thing. As an upstate New Yorker, I'll say that there is some point to the elements "building character"; I'll also say that can go way too far. (Note the struggles our crew team has getting out some seasons.)

I want the lacrosse team to use the facility just enough to get in quality practice but not too much as to lose the well-known weather-related aspects of our home-field advantage, which there is no shame in exploiting.

Coach Buczek seems like the kind of guy who will leave no stone unturned to get the most out of his teams. I imagine the team will spend a fair amount of time in the hard, unforgiving Ithaca mornings early in the year.

A full indoor field will make us a better team. It will be especially helpful for work in the fall and deep into the winter when the foundations are established for understanding schemes on O and D, developing chemistry on the field, improving conditioning, strength, and esprit de corps.

mike1960

Scersk '97

mike1960

Scersk '97
Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice…

Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.

Rendell was certainly "colorful," and he did some good in his time. This book was probably his mini-Giuliani moment. At least there was no hair dye running down his face as he rode off into the sunset.

My commentary, if there could be said to be such by dropping in a picture, was only that there is a long, relatively silly debate over just this kind of thing. As an upstate New Yorker, I'll say that there is some point to the elements "building character"; I'll also say that can go way too far. (Note the struggles our crew team has getting out some seasons.)

I want the lacrosse team to use the facility just enough to get in quality practice but not too much as to lose the well-known weather-related aspects of our home-field advantage, which there is no shame in exploiting.

Coach Buczek seems like the kind of guy who will leave no stone unturned to get the most out of his teams. I imagine the team will spend a fair amount of time in the hard, unforgiving Ithaca mornings early in the year.

A full indoor field will make us a better team. It will be especially helpful for work in the fall and deep into the winter when the foundations are established for understanding schemes on O and D, developing chemistry on the field, improving conditioning, strength, and esprit de corps.

Are the coaches allowed to run practices in the fall and winter?

Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

BearLover

mike1960

Scersk '97

mike1960

Scersk '97
Considering Rendell, I'd imagine it was not his first choice…

Considering the title of his book, I'd imagine he not quite the tough guy he believes himself to be.

Rendell was certainly "colorful," and he did some good in his time. This book was probably his mini-Giuliani moment. At least there was no hair dye running down his face as he rode off into the sunset.

My commentary, if there could be said to be such by dropping in a picture, was only that there is a long, relatively silly debate over just this kind of thing. As an upstate New Yorker, I'll say that there is some point to the elements "building character"; I'll also say that can go way too far. (Note the struggles our crew team has getting out some seasons.)

I want the lacrosse team to use the facility just enough to get in quality practice but not too much as to lose the well-known weather-related aspects of our home-field advantage, which there is no shame in exploiting.

Coach Buczek seems like the kind of guy who will leave no stone unturned to get the most out of his teams. I imagine the team will spend a fair amount of time in the hard, unforgiving Ithaca mornings early in the year.

A full indoor field will make us a better team. It will be especially helpful for work in the fall and deep into the winter when the foundations are established for understanding schemes on O and D, developing chemistry on the field, improving conditioning, strength, and esprit de corps.

Are the coaches allowed to run practices in the fall and winter?

Yes, but they are limited on how many practices/hours they can run.

stereax

Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

scoop85

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Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

scoop85

stereax

Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

Assume you're not including Jim Brown because he technically didn't switch?

Also, Lax Guy became a minor meme in the NBA this year:
[www.thebaltimorebanner.com]

ugarte

scoop85

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Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

stereax
Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

Goalie to LSM.

stereax

Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Wallace was second team All-State in football when he played in high school.

stereax

ugarte

scoop85

stereax

Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

I mean it’s probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn’t play hockey like his brother?

ER

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ugarte

scoop85

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Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

I mean it’s probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn’t play hockey like his brother?

I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.

mike1960

ER

stereax

ugarte

scoop85

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Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

I mean it’s probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn’t play hockey like his brother?

I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.

I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?

Weder

mike1960

ER

stereax

ugarte

scoop85

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Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

I mean it’s probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn’t play hockey like his brother?

I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.

I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?

I think it started as a joke but was taken seriously. Walker from Virginia; Winter from Colorado.

ugarte

Weder

mike1960

ER

stereax

ugarte

scoop85

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Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

I mean it’s probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn’t play hockey like his brother?

I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.

I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?

I think it started as a joke but was taken seriously. Walker from Virginia; Winter from Colorado.

They still could be brothers.

Swampy

ugarte

Weder

mike1960

ER

stereax

ugarte

scoop85

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Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

I mean it’s probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn’t play hockey like his brother?

I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.

I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?

I think it started as a joke but was taken seriously. Walker from Virginia; Winter from Colorado.

They still could be brothers.

Brother from another mother.

I don’t know if this play from the MD game has been discussed. With seconds to go in the first half, Knust was out of the goal and a MD player got the ground ball and had a free shot at the goal, but Andrew Dalton jumps up and blocks the shot WITH HIS HELMET! Then he walks off and nods his head at the MD shooter as if to say “that’s all you got”?
Huge play, would have ties the game and given MD a huge boost going into halftime.
As you can tell, I can’t stop watching this game.

jjanow99
I don’t know if this play from the MD game has been discussed. With seconds to go in the first half, Knust was out of the goal and a MD player got the ground ball and had a free shot at the goal, but Andrew Dalton jumps up and blocks the shot WITH HIS HELMET! Then he walks off and nods his head at the MD shooter as if to say “that’s all you got”?
Huge play, would have ties the game and given MD a huge boost going into halftime.
As you can tell, I can’t stop watching this game.

Yes that could have been a pivotal momentum changing play. Hyping up Maryland as they enter the half and perhaps a deflating confidence downer for Cornell.

Complete video of the final from NCAA championships, free of ESPN chyrons:

[www.youtube.com]

CU77
Complete video of the final from NCAA championships, free of ESPN chyrons:

[www.youtube.com]

And in full 1080 HD, nice. I think ESPN+ only keeps videos available on demand for a relatively short amount of time, hopefully this YouTube video stays up indefinitely.

CU77
Complete video of the final from NCAA championships, free of ESPN chyrons:

[www.youtube.com]

All time keeper.

Can we also remove the way the announcer adds extra syllable to words ending with a consonant sound? Game-muh. Off the netting-guh.

I’ve been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they’ve interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It’s been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.

mike1960
I’ve been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they’ve interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It’s been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.

Pretty much everyone wanted us to win. Even the Maryland fans sound happy for us.

BearLover

mike1960
I’ve been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they’ve interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It’s been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.

Pretty much everyone wanted us to win. Even the Maryland fans sound happy for us.

They endured a similar drought.

mike1960
I’ve been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they’ve interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It’s been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.

What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can’t get enough of.

RichH

mike1960
I’ve been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they’ve interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It’s been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.

What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can’t get enough of.

+1

RichH

mike1960
I’ve been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they’ve interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It’s been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.

What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can’t get enough of.

Here's what I've heard so far. If anyone knows of others, please post!

Quint's Lacrosse All Starts Podcast Network:
6/5 Anish Shroff
5/28 Brendan Staub (Great!)
5/20 Championship week preview (interesting)

Inside Lacrosse
6/1 The Tailgate
5/30 It's a Big Red World (somewhat self-involved, but interview with Ryan Goldstein from before the Harvard game)

First Class Lacrosse Podcast
5/30 First part of the podcast about Cornell's run

mike1960

RichH

mike1960
I’ve been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they’ve interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It’s been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.

What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can’t get enough of.

Here's what I've heard so far. If anyone knows of others, please post!

Quint's Lacrosse All Starts Podcast Network:
6/5 Anish Shroff
5/28 Brendan Staub (Great!)
5/20 Championship week preview (interesting)

Inside Lacrosse
6/1 The Tailgate
5/30 It's a Big Red World (somewhat self-involved, but interview with Ryan Goldstein from before the Harvard game)

First Class Lacrosse Podcast
5/30 First part of the podcast about Cornell's run

The College Lacrosse Show (Jonathan Donville is a co-host) - posted yesterday.

LGR14
The College Lacrosse Show (Jonathan Danville is a co-host) - posted yesterday.

I second this one. I have been listening to this show all season and very much enjoyed the banter. Donville is a bit unpolished, but infectious and funny and, of course, loves Cornell so how could you not like him?

LGR14

mike1960

RichH

mike1960
I’ve been listening to podcasts about championship weekend, and almost universally, commentators have been happy for the Cornell win. Part of the reason is the length of time between championships. Another is the culture and tradition of the program. Also, players they’ve interviewed have given thoughtful and respectful answers to questions. It’s been very satisfying to hear how the program has put such a positive step forward.

What are your favorite podcasts/episodes? Winning the whole shebang is like a drug hit I can’t get enough of.

Here's what I've heard so far. If anyone knows of others, please post!

Quint's Lacrosse All Starts Podcast Network:
6/5 Anish Shroff
5/28 Brendan Staub (Great!)
5/20 Championship week preview (interesting)

Inside Lacrosse
6/1 The Tailgate
5/30 It's a Big Red World (somewhat self-involved, but interview with Ryan Goldstein from before the Harvard game)

First Class Lacrosse Podcast
5/30 First part of the podcast about Cornell's run

The College Lacrosse Show (Jonathan Donville is a co-host) - posted yesterday.

I still haven't forgiven Donville but I'm glad I gave it a listen.

ugarte

Weder

mike1960

ER

stereax

ugarte

scoop85

stereax

Ken711
Last week, Walker Wallace, a first-team All-Ivy League long stick midfielder, helped the Cornell men's lacrosse team win the national title. Now, the Richmond native is transferring to #UVa to play football. He will be a tight end for the Cavaliers.

To play football??

Yes, for football. Several lacrosse players have made the switch, most famously Chris Hogan, a Penn State midfielder who did a grad year playing football at Monmouth and then went on to have a decent pro career as a wide receiver.

We had a wrestler, Ben Honis, who played linebacker (well, special teams) at Syracuse for his grad school year.

Wow. The more you know. Didn't Wallace also switch positions in lacrosse at some point? Feels like I recall that.

I mean it’s probably difficult to go play lacrosse somewhere else after winning the NC, so probably best to play a different sport entirely. Guess he doesn’t play hockey like his brother?

I think Walker Wallace came to the team as a goalie.

I thought Winter and Walker Wallace were unrelated?

I think it started as a joke but was taken seriously. Walker from Virginia; Winter from Colorado.

Otherwise 2 points for nominal determinism.

mike1960

I still haven't forgiven Donville but I'm glad I gave it a listen.

Forgiven him for what? Thanks to COVID and the IV League shutdown, he had one more year of eligibility. But he graduated from Cornell, and IV rules wouldn't let him play as a graduate student. So, he went to Maryland to earn a graduate degree, play lacrosse, and win an NC in 2022.

In that championship game, he scored one goal, I believe. So, a fair assumption is that if he had been able to play for Cornell instead, Maryland would have had one fewer goal, and Cornell, one more. Since the actual final score was 9-7, graduate-student Donville playing for Cornell would have made the score 8-8 and go to overtime. Given how the actual 2022 game ended, it's also fair to say Cornell would have been the favorite to win in overtime.

So, don't blame Donville. Unless you think he should have quit lacrosse and stayed at Cornell for graduate school, he did nothing wrong, and there's nothing to forgive. Instead, perhaps blame the IV League for its somewhat hypocritical practice of giving athletes an additional year of eligibility but banning them from playing as gradual students.

Swampy

mike1960

I still haven't forgiven Donville but I'm glad I gave it a listen.

Forgiven him for what? Thanks to COVID and the IV League shutdown, he had one more year of eligibility. But he graduated from Cornell, and IV rules wouldn't let him play as a graduate student. So, he went to Maryland to earn a graduate degree, play lacrosse, and win an NC in 2022.

In that championship game, he scored one goal, I believe. So, a fair assumption is that if he had been able to play for Cornell instead, Maryland would have had one fewer goal, and Cornell, one more. Since the actual final score was 9-7, graduate-student Donville playing for Cornell would have made the score 8-8 and go to overtime. Given how the actual 2022 game ended, it's also fair to say Cornell would have been the favorite to win in overtime.

So, don't blame Donville. Unless you think he should have quit lacrosse and stayed at Cornell for graduate school, he did nothing wrong, and there's nothing to forgive. Instead, perhaps blame the IV League for its somewhat hypocritical practice of giving athletes an additional year of eligibility but banning them from playing as gradual students.

It is definitely the Ivy League’s fault far more than it is Donville’s. But I don’t think it’s a fair assumption that removing the (second?) best player from the opponent and putting him on your team is worth only a 2-goal swing. Also, there were other players in Donville’s shoes who unenrolled to preserve their Cornell eligibility, right?

The Ivy rules have always been incredibly stupid, but much more so now in our new world of players regularly seeing 5 or 6 years of eligibility. I’m wondering—for the Ivy to reverse course on grad student eligibility, what mechanically would need to happen? Would the presidents of the 8 Ivies need to agree? Is it the Ivy League commissioner’s call?

ADs vote-Ivy Council (Faculty Reps) vote and finally Presidents vote. To move through each level there must be a vote of 6 in favor to move and pass at each level.

Lacrosse coach Max Silberlicht reviews film on each score in the championship game.

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Was it ever confirmed is CJ was playing with a broken hand and a pulled hamstring? And if yes, (seriously) how is it possible that he could play and perform at the level he did?

KenP
Was it ever confirmed is CJ was playing with a broken hand and a pulled hamstring? And if yes, (seriously) how is it possible that he could play and perform at the level he did?

After seeing a passing reference to surgery and him being placed on the PLL injured list, I found this:

[premierlacrosseleague.com]

Kirst played through a right hand injury for most of his senior season at Cornell.

“I broke my hand in the middle of the year this spring and I was able to play through it,” Kirst said. “I’m going to get surgery later this week and then be out and doing PT for three to four weeks and hopefully be back as soon as possible.”

KenP
Was it ever confirmed is CJ was playing with a broken hand and a pulled hamstring? And if yes, (seriously) how is it possible that he could play and perform at the level he did?

I haven't seen a good post-championship interview with him yet where the interview would ask.

RichH

KenP
Was it ever confirmed is CJ was playing with a broken hand and a pulled hamstring? And if yes, (seriously) how is it possible that he could play and perform at the level he did?

After seeing a passing reference to surgery and him being placed on the PLL injured list, I found this:

[premierlacrosseleague.com]

Kirst played through a right hand injury for most of his senior season at Cornell.

“I broke my hand in the middle of the year this spring and I was able to play through it,” Kirst said. “I’m going to get surgery later this week and then be out and doing PT for three to four weeks and hopefully be back as soon as possible.”

Jesus... Kirst, I guess. That sounds painful. And to still put up those kinda goals.

Re the 2022 championship game, and taking off the carnelian tinted glasses: yes, the final score was 9-7, but undefeated #1 seed Maryland led 9-2 late in the first half. It was a hot day, it was the 2nd game in 3 days, and the Terps realized they were in full control. So they let up a bit. Had Cornell made a serious threat to win (they did not), I have no doubt that the Terps would have come back up to full speed and dominated again. The Terps had lost the previous year's national championship game to UVa 18-17, and they were on an absolute mission in 2022, much like Cornell this year.

CU77
Re the 2022 championship game, and taking off the carnelian tinted glasses: yes, the final score was 9-7, but undefeated #1 seed Maryland led 9-2 late in the first half. It was a hot day, it was the 2nd game in 3 days, and the Terps realized they were in full control. So they let up a bit. Had Cornell made a serious threat to win (they did not), I have no doubt that the Terps would have come back up to full speed and dominated again. The Terps had lost the previous year's national championship game to UVa 18-17, and they were on an absolute mission in 2022, much like Cornell this year.

I think this is wrong. As Cornell was cutting into the lead, it became clear Maryland was totally exhausted. If there was a fifth quarter, Cornell very likely would have won the game. During the championship game this year the commentators told the story of seeing Tillman in the airport after the 2022 championship game. Tillman told them: “I’m glad the game wasn’t two minutes longer, because we would have lost.” Maryland won that game fair and square (well, except for the fact they were loaded with transfers/fifth years and we weren’t), but they were trending way downwards and barely hung on with everything they had.