NCAA tournament: CU vs Richmond 5/19

Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don’t even have a new topic yet!
I’m feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.

jjanow99
Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don’t even have a new topic yet!
I’m feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.

Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.

Swampy

jjanow99
Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don’t even have a new topic yet!
I’m feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.

Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.

Much will depend on our on-ball defense.

mike1960

Swampy

jjanow99
Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don’t even have a new topic yet!
I’m feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.

Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.

Much will depend on our on-ball defense.

Yes. Gave up 14.5 gpg in ILT.

Al DeFlorio

mike1960

Swampy

jjanow99
Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don’t even have a new topic yet!
I’m feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.

Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.

Much will depend on our on-ball defense.

Yes. Gave up 14.5 gpg in ILT.

But thankfully, we scored 20.5 gpg.

Against Yale, they scored 2 w/ 6.54 left, and we were taking our foot off the gas.
Against Princeton, their last meaningful goal was at 10:25 in the 3rd period, after which we scored 10 goals straight, with Princeton getting a garbage goal with 00:12 left in the game.

Swampy

jjanow99
Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don’t even have a new topic yet!
I’m feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.

Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.

I still feel nervous. So much hype for us & very little attention for a non-marquee team like Richmond, who have been excellent. It’s a recipe for a big bomb of an upset. We really need to be focused and not have a quarter like the 1st last weekend.

RichH

Swampy

jjanow99
Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don’t even have a new topic yet!
I’m feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.

Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.

I still feel nervous. So much hype for us & very little attention for a non-marquee team like Richmond, who have been excellent. It’s a recipe for a big bomb of an upset. We really need to be focused and not have a quarter like the 1st last weekend.

I'm nervous too. I expect we'll jump on them early and pull away as the game goes on. But this is sport: Anything can happen.

While we gave up a large number of goals in the ILT, it was against teams with strong offenses.

If we score 14 we win.

Swampy

Al DeFlorio

mike1960

Swampy

jjanow99
Hey, this game is 2 days away and we don’t even have a new topic yet!
I’m feeling good about this game. Offense and defense have both improved since these teams played on March 2. We had only been practicing and playing for a month at that point.
We win by 3-5.

Richmond's improved too. But I think you're right. Cornell is playing at a super-high level.

Much will depend on our on-ball defense.

Yes. Gave up 14.5 gpg in ILT.

But thankfully, we scored 20.5 gpg.

Against Yale, they scored 2 w/ 6.54 left, and we were taking our foot off the gas.
Against Princeton, their last meaningful goal was at 10:25 in the 3rd period, after which we scored 10 goals straight, with Princeton getting a garbage goal with 00:12 left in the game.

I understand all that. I did watch both games. The other side of the coin is that Yale scored 11 goals in the first 33 minutes, a 20 gpg pace, and trailed by only one at that point. Princeton scored 14 in the first 35 minutes, a frightening pace, and led by four at that point. Would like to avoid another 1-6 first period as at Richmond. I was agreeing with you that on-call D is important... from the opening whistle.

Here's the Saturday weather forecast for Hempstead (storms are more likely to impact the late game) A chance of showers and thunderstorms, then showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm after 2pm. Cloudy, then gradually becoming mostly sunny, with a high near 80. South wind 6 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

For anyone in the Atlanta area....

Cornell Men’s Lacrosse vs Richmond – Saturday, May 17 at Noon

Come join the Cornell Alumni Association of Atlanta as we watch the game together at the Taco Mac in Sandy Springs.

Taco Mac at the Prado
5600 Roswell Road
Sandy Springs, GA 30342
(404) 941-1503

No RSVP required. Everyone pays for their own food and beverage. Wear your red.

KenP
Here's the Saturday weather forecast for Hempstead (storms are more likely to impact the late game) A chance of showers and thunderstorms, then showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm after 2pm. Cloudy, then gradually becoming mostly sunny, with a high near 80. South wind 6 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New rainfall amounts of less than a tenth of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

Cornell has handled it well in recent years when there's been a lightning delay in big games. In 2022, Cornell defeated Rutgers, 17-10, in the NCAA semifinals in a game which featured a long delay. Cornell also handled the lightning delays well during the Ivy Tournament a few weeks ago.

Every time I see the subject in this thread I have to think twice because the date is wrong.

Kirst shoots from too far out. This is a good goalie. Let's hit cutters!

That wasn't a possession push. Why 30 seconds?

Will someone tell Cascadden to pass.

On ball defense - let's get out on those shooters.

Box Bozzi both back!

Cascadden gotta swing the rock. Not too concerned though, we look solidly like the better team right now.

Not getting good shots.

We're looking at a hot goalie. We need better shots.

Cutter offense!

Except for not pressing out on the first two Spider goals, our defense is looking pretty good. Richmond is struggling to get good shots.

Ha ha. CJ pointed to the open player and Goldstein fed him.

Two on the SSDM.

Do we have a save yet today?

CU2007
Do we have a save yet today?

They are popping the corners, but I'm sure Wyatt feels he should have stopped a couple of those.

2 saves

Richmond is doing a really good job knocking down our interior passes. It's time for Mikey Long to find his scoring game.

Awful play there by Holdstein

CJ driving downhill in the lane is a good play.

Cornell with some bad shooting. several pipes and the goalie is making saves

the way the game has been played Cornell should be up 3-4. lets hope the figure it out

Someone else is going to have to step up and score some goals and put pressure away from CJ -- Long, Goldstein, Big Hugh. CJ can't do it alone.

Pretty disjointed feeling half. We were trying to push everything early in possession, to middling success, whereas Richmond was taking the air out of the ball. Don't love the amount of time we're playing defense. Hope Coach B has some adjustments for the 2nd half, which have been a strength of this team.

They are lighting up our short sticks.

Make a fucking save Wyatt. This is starting to feel like one of those out of character games that can end your season

Ran right by Box. Doesn't look 100 percent.

chimpfood
Make a fucking save Wyatt. This is starting to feel like one of those out of character games that can end your season

Seriously. Some nice shots, sure, but multiple goals from terrible angles

Score? Away from everything at the moment.

chimpfood
Make a fucking save Wyatt. This is starting to feel like one of those out of character games that can end your season

I think he’s the least of our problems today

toddlose
Score? Away from everything at the moment.

8-9

Live stats:

[www.ncaa.com]

toddlose
Score? Away from everything at the moment.

9-8 Richmond. 6:30 to play 3rd.

9-8 Richmond mid 3rd

That long possession was brutal. Shouldn’t cj pass out of the double team quickly?

arugula
That long possession was brutal. Shouldn’t cj pass out of the double team quickly?

It seems like Richmond has twice as many players out there.

Richmond getting good shots off the dodge and shot placement is in corners.

Maybe that will negated goal will get us fired up.

mike1960
Maybe that will negated goal will get us fired up.

What a dumb rule. Had no effect on the goal whatsoever.

Ok. Here we go. The fourth quarter is ours.

Al DeFlorio
Richmond getting good shots off the dodge and shot placement is in corners.

We need elite on-ball defense in the 4th.

KEEP IT GOING!!

CU77

toddlose
Score? Away from everything at the moment.

8-9

Live stats:

[www.ncaa.com]

Thanks

toddlose

CU77

toddlose
Score? Away from everything at the moment.

8-9

Live stats:

[www.ncaa.com]

Thanks

11-10 Cornell now. Estimating 10 minutes left in the 4th.

CJ is trying to do too much. Let's move the ball.

This game is not for the intestinally weak.

Perhaps not the biggest issue but Wyatt is having a tough one.

Wyatt wtf?

It looks like we are standing in sand on defense.

I mean we can’t even pass the ball without turnovers

My grandma would be having a better game than knust is right now.

I swear Kelleher has been held at least twice.

Wow I wish we would work for a good shot with the flag down.

Score here. Win this game.

Makes me crazy we didn't get a shot off there.

Ok, where's my pacemaker.

Well that was needlessly complicated.

mike1960
Ok, where's my pacemaker.

I ran a half marathon this morning and my HR was higher during most of that game. Holy moly.

ER

mike1960
Ok, where's my pacemaker.

I ran a half marathon this morning and my HR was higher during most of that game. Holy moly.

!!!

We'll take it.

But we'd better improve on it next week.

If there’s an expected goals analytic for lacrosse we probably scored 17-18 goals

In other words, the right result. We deserved to win. Just wasn’t as easy as it could’ve been. 7 posts?

What the hell happened to Knust? 29% SV%? Good lord.

Jeff Hopkins '82
What the hell happened to Knust? 29% SV%? Good lord.

You could hear the ball hitting the pipe and going in on four or five of those Spider goals. They were pinpoint shots. Yes, he could probably have stopped a few of those, but that was a display of fine shooting.

That was probably the best defense we'll see the rest of the season. They may not be the most talented, but they play together and they are well coached. They do their jobs.

mike1960
That was probably the best defense we'll see the rest of the season. They may not be the most talented, but they play together and they are well coached. They do their jobs.

Very true.

Gutsy win. Luckily I think that’s about as poorly as we can play barring and injury to anyone on our attack or cascadden. Knust was awful to be honest, pretty much all of Richmond’s shots were from the outside and while some were well placed, you need to save way more than 29 percent of them. We also rung so many posts and Goldstein missed two open nets. If those shots fell and knust had his usual 50 percent save percentage we win that by 7 or 8. The ride was phenomenal today and really won us that game.

mike1960

Jeff Hopkins '82
What the hell happened to Knust? 29% SV%? Good lord.

You could hear the ball hitting the pipe and going in on four or five of those Spider goals. They were pinpoint shots. Yes, he could probably have stopped a few of those, but that was a display of fine shooting.

It seemed he wasn't seeing the ball very well. In a few instances, he moved the basket of his stick past the incoming ball. In other words, it wasn't shot placement that caused the goal.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Spiders coach gets the job the next time a big time program wants to change.

Swampy

mike1960

Jeff Hopkins '82
What the hell happened to Knust? 29% SV%? Good lord.

You could hear the ball hitting the pipe and going in on four or five of those Spider goals. They were pinpoint shots. Yes, he could probably have stopped a few of those, but that was a display of fine shooting.

It seemed he wasn't seeing the ball very well. In a few instances, he moved the basket of his stick past the incoming ball. In other words, it wasn't shot placement that caused the goal.

I saw that one too. He didn't have his best day. But we also need to do a better job closing out on those shooters.

mike1960
That was probably the best defense we'll see the rest of the season. They may not be the most talented, but they play together and they are well coached. They do their jobs.

During the postgame the announcers commented that Richmond was a team built to beat Cornell. We dodged a bullet, and that easily could have gone to OT. They were the team that scared me the most in our half of the bracket. We escaped.

RichH

mike1960
That was probably the best defense we'll see the rest of the season. They may not be the most talented, but they play together and they are well coached. They do their jobs.

During the postgame the announcers commented that Richmond was a team built to beat Cornell. We dodged a bullet, and that easily could have gone to OT. They were the team that scared me the most in our half of the bracket. We escaped.

Yep. It felt like the Penn games from last year when a really good defense bogged us down. But we're better this year. We have a more diverse offense and we identify and take advantage of mistakes when they happen.

Edit: We also have the greatest college lacrosse player in the galaxy.

Game highlights.

Richmond Game Highlights

In past years that’s the game that eliminates us. Michigan a couple years ago. Penn in ilt last year. Cross fingers.

Shout to the team playing lockdown the last 5+ minutes to hold a one-goal lead and Goldstein stepping up when Kirst couldn't break out and Knust looked *awful* in the highlight reel.

margolism
While we gave up a large number of goals in the ILT, it was against teams with strong offenses.

If we score 14 we win.

Or 13.

Yea knust wasn’t good at all today. It happens. Whatever about a couple nice shots. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad goalie or a bad person (before anyone gets mad at me) but he will definitely need to be better next weekend.

The Sun [www.cornellsun.com]
and Cornell Athletics [cornellbigred.com]
both have their stories posted.

editing this out--I didn't even know it posted--longer post later in the thread

Kirst did not seem to moving at the pace he has most of the year. He has taken a ton of shots to the body this season so not sure if we credit Richmond's defense or potential minor injury? I will comment that I amazed at the way Goldstein moves his feet. I think 90% of us would trip over our own feet if we tried to move like him.

Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.

rss77
Kirst did not seem to moving at the pace he has most of the year. He has taken a ton of shots to the body this season so not sure if we credit Richmond's defense or potential minor injury? I will comment that I amazed at the way Goldstein moves his feet. I think 90% of us would trip over our own feet if we tried to move like him.

On replays it looked like he was “over-waving” his stick? Like, moving it too fast and getting ahead of the ball, moving it out of the path when he could’ve made the save?

But I don’t know anything. I’m sure they’ll look at tape and figure it out. He was definitely not on.

EDIT: By the way, I read Knust here instead of Kirst. I thought Kirst was just getting hacked and nothing was being done.

jjanow99
Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.

Dalton. Dalton. Dalton, with the hat-trick was enormous. He and Goldstein are the reasons we're packing for the razor stadium. Ryan more than made up for being shut down last week, other than missing TWO empty cages. Firth had the two points, but I thought he made some key plays in the 4th. Kelleher was surprisingly silent.

Look, Richmond's defense caused a bit of chaos. We had to get big goals from what, 2 or 3 long poles? We just aren't going to see another team like Richmond, thank goodness.

RichH

jjanow99
Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.

Dalton. Dalton. Dalton, with the hat-trick was enormous. He and Goldstein are the reasons we're packing for the razor stadium. Ryan more than made up for being shut down last week, other than missing TWO empty cages. Firth had the two points, but I thought he made some key plays in the 4th. Kelleher was surprisingly silent.

Look, Richmond's defense caused a bit of chaos. We had to get big goals from what, 2 or 3 long poles? We just aren't going to see another team like Richmond, thank goodness.

Oops you’re right, my oversight, he did come up big.

jjanow99
Little to no production from the middies today. Kelleher had zero shots. Need more from them next week.

Kelleher was getting hounded the second he touched the ball, can’t blame him too much for not putting up numbers.

I attended the game today. It was my first live Cornell lacrosse game since I saw a 2014 loss to Hofstra, also in Hempstead. Before that, I saw a 2011 loss in the same stadium to Virginia in the NCAA tournament. But I also saw two home wins over then #1 ranked (both times) Syracuse in 2000 and 2002, so I thought my luck was bound to change.

The Hosfstra event staff, from parking to ticket scanning to concessions, was excellent. They did need someone to direct traffic before the game as cars were turning from both directions into the parking lot.

It was fun to see so many Cornell fans there. I did feel a little out of place as every other fan seemed to be either 20 years older or 20 years younger than me. And to be honest, there was a bit too much goonery from the college aged Cornell fans. I heard them yelling at Richmond, "This is your Super Bowl!" and dropping F-bombs at them when they did things like double team Kurst. Most of the fans were positive, but we've got the #1 team in the nation, and this unseeded team is giving Cornell all they could handle, let's maybe act a little more like ladies and gentlemen. Richmond had a strong contingent too, overall it seemed like a huge, enthusiastic crowd.

Like most of you, I did not want to see Cornell have to play Richmond again after that game in March. They made Cornell work for everything they got; Cornell was never comfortable and they had to grind out the win. I am not knowledgeable enough to understand why Richmond presents such matchup problems for Cornell. They have an excellent defense, obviously. I was shocked to see that Richmond's goalie had a save percentage of 51%--during the game it felt more like 70% (although Cornell did hit a LOT of pipes.) I was also surprised to see Knust at 29%. I could tell he didn't have a good game, but I believe he made a number of very important saves.

The best player on the field was Goldstein, the most important was Cascadden. Or maybe the other way around; in either case, those two, to me, were the top players for Cornell today. Cascadden needed more help in the middle of the field, I thought. Goldstein (and I think I heard the PA announcer call him "William Goldstein" more than once?) more than made up for an off game for Kurst (or Richmond's strategy of limiting Kurst, I don't know enough to really tell the reason.)

Richmond was great at swarming for possession, so color me stunned when I looked at the stats and saw that Cornell had a 51 to 27 advantage in ground balls. In the end, Cornell was more talented than Richmond, but that wasn't enough. This win is a testament to the hard work and desire of the players and coaching staff. I did NOT like running down the clock and turning it over on a shot clock violation without really trying to score with the score 13-12. That was a tense 29 seconds to the end the game--a real gut check for Cornell's defense, and they passed the test and got the job done.

As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.

Interesting to note that the 13 goals allowed by Richmond in today’s game was a season high. And we did it with Kirst scoring only two goals. So while this wasn’t our best game offensively, we still gave Richmond their worst game of the season defensively.

This was the only matchup in the tournament for Cornell that gave me pause. If I had to choose between playing Richmond again or Maryland, I would choose Maryland in a heartbeat.

djk26
As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.

Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?

(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)

Scersk '97

djk26
As I walked out of the stadium, I was happy because of the three things: 1) Cornell won, 2) I heard "Davy" rather than "Free Bird", 3) Cornell doesn't have to play Richmond again this year.

Couldn't tell on the broadcast: what was being played after goals and by whom?

(Important info for a "discussion" I'm slowly having.)

After each Cornell goal, it was a PA recording of "Free Bird." After each Richmond goal, it was a PA recording of a rap song. Richmond had a band there, I think. I couldn't tell if Cornell did, and I left right when the game ended, so I couldn't tell who was playing "Davy" after the game ended.

As noted in this article from Inside Lacrosse, while CJ didn't have a great scoring day, he picked up a game-high 10 groundballs, including two in the final three minutes, and also caused a game-high three turnovers. That's what makes him such a great player. He's not just a goal scorer.

A lot of pipes got rung in the Syracuse-Princeton nightcap as well. Never heard that many pipes.

Kirst Knust was an all-round All-America Saturday.

Adding: Knust did not have a very good game in goal, as others have noticed.