Men's Basketball March 2025

disappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom

Mr. Niss
disappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom

Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.

scoop85

Mr. Niss
disappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom

Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.

In the first round, Samford (who we beat) is playing at George Mason (who beat us.)

AK is most likely graduating early, which is going to be a huge blow for the team unfortunately.

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Looking at Kenpom criteria the top 12 conferences get an automatic bid. Ivies finished at 13 just out of the running for an auto bid. Would have to have seen one more game from this crew. Will comment it has amazing watching Okereke improve over the course of his time wearing the Red. Would hurt to lose him.

nycred
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Yeah, unfortunately the decision between getting an Ivy degree, starting a masters, and maybe getting paid to play at a power 5 school and paying 100k to come back to Cornell for another year and not being able to start a masters isn’t a very hard one. Hoping for the best but we can’t count on him being here next season.

ugarte

scoop85

Mr. Niss
disappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom

Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.

In the first round, Samford (who we beat) is playing at George Mason (who beat us.)

Looking at KenPom, there are four teams ranked below us who made the NIT:

San Jose State (15-19) is in ... because they said yes. Mountain West had an autobid for the top team not in the NCAAs; UNLV, Nevada and Boise State (going to the Crown) all declined.

Kent State is in as the MAC autobid.

UC Riverside? Big West only gets one autobid and Irvine and Northridge are also in the field.

Furman?!? The SoCon doesn't even get an automatic bid, and Chattanooga and Samford are also in the field.

We may have been left out for geographical reasons. They try to keep travel light; Riverside is playing at Santa Clara and Furman (Greenville, SC) is heading to North Texas (Austin). St. Bonaventure is hosting a midwest autobid (Kent State) and any other geographically sensible opponent is hosting someone ranked ahead of us.

chimpfood

nycred
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Yeah, unfortunately the decision between getting an Ivy degree, starting a masters, and maybe getting paid to play at a power 5 school and paying 100k to come back to Cornell for another year and not being able to start a masters isn’t a very hard one. Hoping for the best but we can’t count on him being here next season.

Certainly based on the criteria you've listed it's hard to imagine him sticking around. IMO he can play at pretty much any power conference school, and be a key player at that level. He was phenomenal this year.

Mañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.

nycred
Mañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.

I think Okereke has become a better player than Manon and should fetch at least as good an NIL package.

ugarte

ugarte

scoop85

Mr. Niss
disappointing that the Ivy runner up was not seen to merit a bid to the NIT this year ... we pretty well outranked a handful of teams that made the NIT on KenPom

Agreed, I wanted to see these guys get at least one more game together.

In the first round, Samford (who we beat) is playing at George Mason (who beat us.)

Looking at KenPom, there are four teams ranked below us who made the NIT:

San Jose State (15-19) is in ... because they said yes. Mountain West had an autobid for the top team not in the NCAAs; UNLV, Nevada and Boise State (going to the Crown) all declined.

Kent State is in as the MAC autobid.

UC Riverside? Big West only gets one autobid and Irvine and Northridge are also in the field.

Furman?!? The SoCon doesn't even get an automatic bid, and Chattanooga and Samford are also in the field.

We may have been left out for geographical reasons. They try to keep travel light; Riverside is playing at Santa Clara and Furman (Greenville, SC) is heading to North Texas (Austin). St. Bonaventure is hosting a midwest autobid (Kent State) and any other geographically sensible opponent is hosting someone ranked ahead of us.

Cornell was probably in the band of possibles, but only because so many teams bagged. Looks like tOSU, Penn St., WVU, Indiana, Northwestern, Iowa, Pitt, Kansas State, Rutgers (what a disappointing year they had), Minnesota, Florida State, Virginia, and UNLV all called it a season. I was hoping that would open up a spot of our guys, but travel probably played a big role. If PSU had agreed to go, we might have have been their opponent (another reason to dislike the Nits).

Cornell almost certainly could have gone to the CBI, they couldn't even fill their 16 team bracket and their best team is probably Ill. St. But I imagine the school thought there were better uses for what that would have cost.

At least Princeton wasn't picked over Cornell.

scoop85

nycred
Mañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.

I think Okereke has become a better player than Manon and should fetch at least as good an NIL package.

Hate that AK's Cornell career may be (probably is) over, but I can't fault a family for stopping tuition payments after three years. Have to think AK will be in heavy demand as a grad transfer. I'd pick him over Manon, and I liked Chris a lot, every time.

mountainred

scoop85

nycred
Mañon got paid in the mid-six figures to play at Vandy this year, I imagine AK could probably get something similar if maybe a little less.

I think Okereke has become a better player than Manon and should fetch at least as good an NIL package.

Hate that AK's Cornell career may be (probably is) over, but I can't fault a family for stopping tuition payments after three years. Have to think AK will be in heavy demand as a grad transfer. I'd pick him over Manon, and I liked Chris a lot, every time.

Do you know how annoying it is to lose a player because they are TOO GOOD AT SCHOOL!?

Does Yale cover +7? I gave the points. Think they get blown out.

toddlose
Does Yale cover +7? I gave the points. Think they get blown out.

I like the moneyline. SEC is overrated IMO and this Yale team has been really good since conference play started.

Opponent from this year RMU is hanging with Bama with 15 to go

Watching St. Mary's/Vandy and I had to confirm that the Cornell pronunciation guide from last year said it was Chris MANN-in. It's his name, and Chris would hardly be the first to ask for a change, but I had to double check that I wasn't getting wrong for four years.

mountainred
Watching St. Mary's/Vandy and I had to confirm that the Cornell pronunciation guide from last year said it was Chris MANN-in. It's his name, and Chris would hardly be the first to ask for a change, but I had to double check that I wasn't getting wrong for four years.

Well his Vandy uniform does have the Tilde over the “n” in his name

Cornell is selling Final Four tickets from its allotment. (At least it says it is. The details are for last year’s Final Four in Phoenix; this year’s is in San Antonio.) Price is $650, so I think they might be somewhat decent seats given that tickets on the secondary market can be had for much less.

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Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?

mike1960
Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?

caught lightning in a bottle and it's a hard job even if you're good at it

ugarte

mike1960
Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?

caught lightning in a bottle and it's a hard job even if you're good at it

Having a group of good players, you mean?

mike1960

ugarte

mike1960
Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?

caught lightning in a bottle and it's a hard job even if you're good at it

Having a group of good players, you mean?

Three of whom were strokes of good luck. Dale recruited himself by sending a video to Donahue. Foote transferred in because his mother nursed s seriously-injured Cornell player and liked that the team visited him often. Wittman, targeted for a big-time program, was injured senior year in high school so was viewed as a risk. His father, an NBA GM, sent him to Cornell.

Al DeFlorio

mike1960

ugarte

mike1960
Any thoughts on why Steve Donahue was successful at Cornell but not at Boston or, for the most part, at Penn?

caught lightning in a bottle and it's a hard job even if you're good at it

Having a group of good players, you mean?

Three of whom were strokes of good luck. Dale recruited himself by sending a video to Donahue. Foote transferred in because his mother nursed s seriously-injured Cornell player and liked that the team visited him often. Wittman, targeted for a big-time program, was injured senior year in high school so was viewed as a risk. His father, an NBA GM, sent him to Cornell.

Thanks, Al.

holy fucking shit we beat msu 4-3 on a goal from sullivan mack with 10 seconds left in the game. i know this is the basketball thread but i figure if i'm going to make you open this thread for nothing you might as well smile.

ugarte
holy fucking shit we beat msu 4-3 on a goal from sullivan mack with 10 seconds left in the game. i know this is the basketball thread but i figure if i'm going to make you open this thread for nothing you might as well smile.

LOL!

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ugarte
holy fucking shit we beat msu 4-3 on a goal from sullivan mack with 10 seconds left in the game. i know this is the basketball thread but i figure if i'm going to make you open this thread for nothing you might as well smile.

Perfect pass across traffic by Charlie Major. Brilliant finish by Sullivan Mack. Beautiful!

ugarte
holy fucking shit we beat msu 4-3 on a goal from sullivan mack with 10 seconds left in the game. i know this is the basketball thread but i figure if i'm going to make you open this thread for nothing you might as well smile.

Well played.

Good/bad news depending on how you look at it.

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chimpfood
Good/bad news depending on how you look at it.

[www.dailyprincetonian.com]

I'm not thrilled when Ivy guys leave except for grad transfers, which hopefully will largely be a thing of the past. I'd hate to see us sink to Patriot League levels.

Right: “These past three years at Princeton have been the most meaningful of my life. This place has shaped me as a person and challenged me. It gave me a platform to chase my dreams and now Princeton is a place I know I can always call home," says star junior guard Xaivian Lee as he announces he leaves his Old Nassau home to enter the transfer portal and test the NBA draft waters. (The Daily Princetonian actually uppercases "Draft" waters.) If he did, the Bleacher Report has him as the 52nd pick.

In some ways I have never understood the need "To play at a higher level". IMO you are what you are as a player. Playing in the Big East as opposed to the Ivies does not make you a better basketball player. I remember Jimmy Boeheim's comment that he was surprised there was not much difference in athleticsm between the Ivies and ACC. The difference at higher levels is athleticsm coupled with height. Lee is chasing NIL money and is under the illusion it will elevate him to 1st round pick (2nd round IMO).

Also check it out but I believe Patriot League schools are doing NIL collectives.

rss77
In some ways I have never understood the need "To play at a higher level". IMO you are what you are as a player. Playing in the Big East as opposed to the Ivies does not make you a better basketball player. I remember Jimmy Boeheim's comment that he was surprised there was not much difference in athleticsm between the Ivies and ACC. The difference at higher levels is athleticsm coupled with height. Lee is chasing NIL money and is under the illusion it will elevate him to 1st round pick (2nd round IMO).

Can’t say I’m on board with you on this. While the Ivies have clearly stepped up their game the past few years, there’s still a significant gap in athleticism between the Ivies and the power programs. I think Danny Wolf has clearly elevated his draft stock by playing at Michigan this year, as he’s proven he can compete day-in-day-out with the highest caliber college talent. While I think Lee’s a good player, I don’t think he’s better than Matt Morgan, who’s carved out an excellent European career but hasn’t been able to crack the NBA. I think Okereke will thrive at wherever he ends up next year and will likely have the biggest impact of any Cornell transfer over the past several years.

chimpfood
Donahue out at Penn

And hired by Saint Joe’s to be associate head coach. Staying in Philly.