Cornell lacrosse 2025
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 29, 2025 11:47AM
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Chousnake (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 29, 2025 11:58AM
Why does ESPN+ have the game starting at 12:30? ???????
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 29, 2025 12:02PM
Chousnake
Why does ESPN+ have the game starting at 12:30? ???????
Strange indeed
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 29, 2025 12:10PM
Game thread now has updates.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/29/2025 12:11PM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: March 29, 2025 09:16PM
Lacrosse needs to go all the way now.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 29, 2025 09:26PM
I believe. The only team I wouldn’t love our odds against is Maryland at this point.BearLover
Lacrosse needs to go all the way now.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: dag14 (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 29, 2025 09:50PM
BearLover
Lacrosse needs to go all the way now.
OMG -- you are doing it here, too. Trashing the hockey team isn't enough. Cornell lacrosse is ranked #1 at the end of March so if the team does not win the National Championship, they are losers. What is wrong with you? Didn't anyone ever explain that life is easier on all levels if you adopt a "glass is half full" philosophy rather than thinking like Eeyore.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: March 29, 2025 09:54PM
Show me where I trashed the hockey team or said the lacrosse team would be “losers” if they didn’t win the national championship. You’re completely making shit up! I make the most innocent post ever and you’re freaking out!dag14
BearLover
Lacrosse needs to go all the way now.
OMG -- you are doing it here, too. Trashing the hockey team isn't enough. Cornell lacrosse is ranked #1 at the end of March so if the team does not win the National Championship, they are losers. What is wrong with you? Didn't anyone ever explain that life is easier on all levels if you adopt a "glass is half full" philosophy rather than thinking like Eeyore.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 30, 2025 12:44AM
(moved)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/2025 02:32AM by Trotsky.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: March 30, 2025 12:53AM
You are nuts. I did absolutely nothing of the sort. I’m moving this discussion over to the hockey forum, where you can feel free to answer for your delusions. I apologize on behalf of dag and Trosky for polluting the lacrosse thread. The ONLY thing I intended by my initial post was that with the depressing end to the hockey season, I’m all-in on lacrosse now.Trotsky
dag14
BearLover
Lacrosse needs to go all the way now.
OMG -- you are doing it here, too. Trashing the hockey team isn't enough. Cornell lacrosse is ranked #1 at the end of March so if the team does not win the National Championship, they are losers. What is wrong with you? Didn't anyone ever explain that life is easier on all levels if you adopt a "glass is half full" philosophy rather than thinking like Eeyore.
The dude is toxic, just leave him to die in the cold alone. Right now he's using the Thank You Schafer thread to trash Mike. He's a POS; it took 2 seasons for me to learn to not engage.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/2025 01:14AM by BearLover.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: djk26 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 30, 2025 08:03AM
chimpfood
I believe. The only team I wouldn’t love our odds against is Maryland at this point.BearLover
Lacrosse needs to go all the way now.
There are a lot of good teams in lacrosse this year, and Cornell is certainly one of them, but lucky for us, no super teams a la Maryland in 2022 (and Cornell still came very close against them in the national championship game.)
Look at this top 20--there are at least 7 or 8 teams where it would not surprise me if they won it all, including Cornell. It's wide open and should be an exciting spring.
[www.insidelacrosse.com]
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: jjanow99 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 08:37AM
Lots of negative chatter regarding Pete Milliman on the Hopkins thread at fanlax, and they’re already scheming about poaching Buzcek.Is this the future of Cornell lacrosse, having to hire a new coach every 5-10 years?
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 11:42AM
jjanow99
Lots of negative chatter regarding Pete Milliman on the Hopkins thread at fanlax, and they’re already scheming about poaching Buzcek.Is this the future of Cornell lacrosse, having to hire a new coach every 5-10 years?
Hopkins is having a tough year. Is the thought that Milliman will be shown the door? Coach Buczek is a Cornell guy through and through, unlike Milliman or Tambroni. I doubt Cornell can offer him the salary that big sports schools will offer, but I hope Cornell makes a competitive offer when the time comes.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2025 12:18PM
Can they not compete with Hopkins for salary? I get a B10 program
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-78.myvzw.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 12:21PM
I had the same question. Why exactly is it that Hopkins can offer a coach more money? They have no athletic revenue. Doesn’t Cornell lacrosse have rich donors who can pony up the money?underskill
Can they not compete with Hopkins for salary? I get a B10 program
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2025 12:29PM
JHU is in big time budget issues as well
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 12:31PM
mike1960
jjanow99
Lots of negative chatter regarding Pete Milliman on the Hopkins thread at fanlax, and they’re already scheming about poaching Buzcek.Is this the future of Cornell lacrosse, having to hire a new coach every 5-10 years?
Hopkins is having a tough year. Is the thought that Milliman will be shown the door? Coach Buczek is a Cornell guy through and through, unlike Milliman or Tambroni. I doubt Cornell can offer him the salary that big sports schools will offer, but I hope Cornell makes a competitive offer when the time comes.
Buczek has both a BS in Applied Economics and Management (2015) and an MBA from Cornell (2017). He was selected as the 2015 Senior CLASS Award winner for lacrosse and the recipient of Cornell's Ronald P. Lynch Senior Spirit Award, given to senior student-athlete whose leadership on and off the field models the ideals of the Big Red athletics department. Also named a CoSIDA Academic All-District selection and a USILA Scholar-Athlete. I think that he’ll be able to take care of himself financially in his latter years without bailing out on Cornell.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 12:35PM
upprdeck
JHU is in big time budget issues as well
They recently laid off 2000 staff due to uncertainty over future research funding.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 12:50PM
Well technically…underskill
Can they not compete with Hopkins for salary? I get a B10 program
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2025 12:53PM
I mean one with a football team’s TV revenue
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 01:03PM
George64
mike1960
jjanow99
Lots of negative chatter regarding Pete Milliman on the Hopkins thread at fanlax, and they’re already scheming about poaching Buzcek.Is this the future of Cornell lacrosse, having to hire a new coach every 5-10 years?
Hopkins is having a tough year. Is the thought that Milliman will be shown the door? Coach Buczek is a Cornell guy through and through, unlike Milliman or Tambroni. I doubt Cornell can offer him the salary that big sports schools will offer, but I hope Cornell makes a competitive offer when the time comes.
Buczek has both a BS in Applied Economics and Management (2015) and an MBA from Cornell (2017). He was selected as the 2015 Senior CLASS Award winner for lacrosse and the recipient of Cornell's Ronald P. Lynch Senior Spirit Award, given to senior student-athlete whose leadership on and off the field models the ideals of the Big Red athletics department. Also named a CoSIDA Academic All-District selection and a USILA Scholar-Athlete. I think that he’ll be able to take care of himself financially in his latter years without bailing out on Cornell.
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I may be wrong, but I don't think you say to a prospective job candidate that you will be offered less compensation knowing that you'll make more money when you're done here.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2025 06:16PM
There are many ways you can show appreciation to a valued employee: respect, working conditions, giving the person more leeway than other employees in a similar line of work, preferential admission to offspring, and last-not-least the salary compensation package.George64
Buczek has both a BS in Applied Economics and Management (2015) and an MBA from Cornell (2017). He was selected as the 2015 Senior CLASS Award winner for lacrosse and the recipient of Cornell's Ronald P. Lynch Senior Spirit Award, given to senior student-athlete whose leadership on and off the field models the ideals of the Big Red athletics department. Also named a CoSIDA Academic All-District selection and a USILA Scholar-Athlete. I think that he’ll be able to take care of himself financially in his latter years without bailing out on Cornell.
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Compensation:
* Maryland's John Tillman (Cornell '90) is highest paid, $415,000, per Google AI. Base $275, supplemental $75, NCAA "tournament run" bonus ~23.5.
* Rutgers HC Brian Brecht in 2017 made $175K base at a time when women's basketball head coach made $700K. Per NJ.com
* College lax HC per Glassdoor.com (12 salaries reported) $70K-$122K, $92K average. Salary.com says $75K-$100K.
* The year Maryland women won the NCAAs, HC Cathy Reese earned $265K on a base salary of $170K, per dbknews.com
* Peter Millman was making $341K at Hopkins in 2022, per Google.
* Pinning down Penn State lacrosse salaries are hard, Penn State IIRC because there is some private funding of HC salary supplements so if a number is reported, it appears low.
An athletics director has to compare schools that might poach a good head coach, and also not get too far out of whack with what the football coach and hockey coach make, also the women's lax coach. (Google AI says Ivy football HCs make in the realm of $100-$200K; that seems low to me.)
So, Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: dag14 (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: March 31, 2025 08:12PM
billhoward
There are many ways you can show appreciation to a valued employee: respect, working conditions, giving the person more leeway than other employees in a similar line of work, preferential admission to offspring, and last-not-least the salary compensation package.George64
Buczek has both a BS in Applied Economics and Management (2015) and an MBA from Cornell (2017). He was selected as the 2015 Senior CLASS Award winner for lacrosse and the recipient of Cornell's Ronald P. Lynch Senior Spirit Award, given to senior student-athlete whose leadership on and off the field models the ideals of the Big Red athletics department. Also named a CoSIDA Academic All-District selection and a USILA Scholar-Athlete. I think that he’ll be able to take care of himself financially in his latter years without bailing out on Cornell.
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Compensation:
* Maryland's John Tillman (Cornell '90) is highest paid, $415,000, per Google AI. Base $275, supplemental $75, NCAA "tournament run" bonus ~23.5.
* Rutgers HC Brian Brecht in 2017 made $175K base at a time when women's basketball head coach made $700K. Per NJ.com
* College lax HC per Glassdoor.com (12 salaries reported) $70K-$122K, $92K average. Salary.com says $75K-$100K.
* The year Maryland women won the NCAAs, HC Cathy Reese earned $265K on a base salary of $170K, per dbknews.com
* Peter Millman was making $341K at Hopkins in 2022, per Google.
* Pinning down Penn State lacrosse salaries are hard, Penn State IIRC because there is some private funding of HC salary supplements so if a number is reported, it appears low.
An athletics director has to compare schools that might poach a good head coach, and also not get too far out of whack with what the football coach and hockey coach make, also the women's lax coach. (Google AI says Ivy football HCs make in the realm of $100-$200K; that seems low to me.)
So, Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Cornell has been fairly generous with at least one other alumni head coach that I know of when it seemed prudent to demonstrate appreciation for their loyalty. The university doesn't have unlimited funds to commit to these situations but, whether it is a coach or an important faculty member, Cornell will look for a way to make it financially attractive to stay in Ithaca. I know there have been situations where an alum has come up with a timely gift to support an Athletics project, but I have no personal knowledge as to whether this has ever happened in the case of a coach's salary.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2025 11:16PM
billhoward
Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-69.myvzw.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 12:20AM
I feel like we need to do a better job fundraising if we’re losing lacrosse coaches to Johns Hopkins.George64
billhoward
Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: April 01, 2025 08:17AM
BearLover
I feel like we need to do a better job fundraising if we’re losing lacrosse coaches to Johns Hopkins.George64
billhoward
Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
Historically speaking, Hopkins is by far the more prestigious lax program. Coaches don't leave Hopkins to come to Cornell, but they do go the other way.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-69.myvzw.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 10:40AM
Not “by far.” Cornell is a lacrosse blue blood, easily one of the top 10 historical lacrosse programs, and has been competitive for a national title almost every season the past 25 years. Hopkins is a top 5 all time program more prestigious, but not so much more prestigious that we should be losing coaches to them. Anyway, the point is if we ponied up the money to pay coaches then we wouldn’t be losing them to Hopkins.abmarks
BearLover
I feel like we need to do a better job fundraising if we’re losing lacrosse coaches to Johns Hopkins.George64
billhoward
Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
Historically speaking, Hopkins is by far the more prestigious lax program. Coaches don't leave Hopkins to come to Cornell, but they do go the other way.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: Cornell95 (8.9.93.---)
Date: April 01, 2025 12:03PM
Just took a glance at the schedule on the Cornell Athletics website and it is showing game time as 3pm against Albany
Was thinking it was an evening game, maybe moved up because April is starting off with highs in the low-40s ?
Anyways, just an FYI to the forum if you likewise were thinking this was a 6pm or 7pm game
Was thinking it was an evening game, maybe moved up because April is starting off with highs in the low-40s ?
Anyways, just an FYI to the forum if you likewise were thinking this was a 6pm or 7pm game
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 12:12PM
Cornell95
Just took a glance at the schedule on the Cornell Athletics website and it is showing game time as 3pm against Albany
Was thinking it was an evening game, maybe moved up because April is starting off with highs in the low-40s ?
Anyways, just an FYI to the forum if you likewise were thinking this was a 6pm or 7pm game
I hope more fans show up for an afternoon game, but it's going to be chilly (38 degrees). I see where the play-by-play guy for ESPN+ is not Christian de Guzman but Cam Manna? I hope he's good. Tom LaFalce was supposed to be the color against Penn but wasn't there. He's scheduled for today.
A midweek game against a team that’s struggling after Cornell posted a big win. Some trap elements here, but I think this team is too strong to get into trouble today.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2025 12:40PM by mike1960.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: Cornell95 (8.9.93.---)
Date: April 01, 2025 12:32PM
at least the ESPN+ site shows the correct game time
Hopefully the broadcast will pick up the opening faceoff
Hopefully the broadcast will pick up the opening faceoff
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-69.myvzw.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 12:45PM
Down at 8th in RPI despite being ranked #1 in the country, what would it take for Cornell to miss the tournament? The fact the selection committee makes these determinations based on human bias and not strictly based on computer rankings like in hockey should help Cornell given the prevailing view of the team is that they are better than their RPI.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 01, 2025 04:21PM
Doing well IMO.mike1960
I see where the play-by-play guy for ESPN+ is not Christian de Guzman but Cam Manna? I hope he's good.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 04:25PM
CU77
Doing well IMO.mike1960
I see where the play-by-play guy for ESPN+ is not Christian de Guzman but Cam Manna? I hope he's good.
Yes, doing a fine job.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 01, 2025 05:18PM
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: [www.cammannasports.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/2025 05:23PM by CU77.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-69.myvzw.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 05:55PM
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn’t happen for hockey, I guess because “bad wins” are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?CU77
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: [www.cammannasports.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 06:17PM
BearLover
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn’t happen for hockey, I guess because “bad wins” are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?CU77
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: [www.cammannasports.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 01, 2025 06:51PM
beat syracuse
host the ivy
1-2 loss team and get a home game
host the ivy
1-2 loss team and get a home game
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-72.myvzw.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 06:57PM
Well, yeah. I’m more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.mike1960
BearLover
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn’t happen for hockey, I guess because “bad wins” are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?CU77
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: [www.cammannasports.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: LGR14 (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 01, 2025 07:07PM
BearLover
Well, yeah. I’m more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.mike1960
BearLover
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn’t happen for hockey, I guess because “bad wins” are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?CU77
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: [www.cammannasports.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-72.myvzw.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 07:15PM
Are you sure? That doesn’t seem right to me. That 3-3 includes games against Dartmouth (#14), Syracuse (#7), and Harvard (#5), as well as the Ivy League Tournament, so probably some combination of Princeton (#1), Harvard, and Dartmouth again.LGR14
BearLover
Well, yeah. I’m more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.mike1960
BearLover
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn’t happen for hockey, I guess because “bad wins” are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?CU77
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: [www.cammannasports.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: CU2007 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 08:58PM
LGR14
BearLover
Well, yeah. I’m more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.mike1960
BearLover
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn’t happen for hockey, I guess because “bad wins” are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?CU77
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: [www.cammannasports.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
That seems crazy. Ranked #1 and definitely pass the eye test. But I suppose computers don’t lie?!
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: LGR14 (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 01, 2025 09:48PM
BearLover
Are you sure? That doesn’t seem right to me. That 3-3 includes games against Dartmouth (#14), Syracuse (#7), and Harvard (#5), as well as the Ivy League Tournament, so probably some combination of Princeton (#1), Harvard, and Dartmouth again.LGR14
BearLover
Well, yeah. I’m more curious what happens if we go like 3-3 down the stretch.mike1960
BearLover
RPI dropping is crazy. That doesn’t happen for hockey, I guess because “bad wins” are excluded as part of the formula. Anyway, back to my earlier point, I have to imagine the selection committee is going to be very hard-pressed to not give Cornell a home game in the tournament even if their RPI ends up around here?CU77
It seems Mr. Manna has some serious chops as a sports announcer: [www.cammannasports.com]
Cornell notches another win. RPI drops from #8 to #9.
[pro.lacrossereference.com]
If we keep playing well and winning, we'll be fine.
Definitely no home game and on the bubble for the tournament.
Brown(#40 RPI), the teams you mention, and then two Ivy Tournament games. There has long been a bias against Cornell when it comes to tournament selection. If we're a 4-loss team (with three of those losses coming down the stretch) and hovering in the 9-12 RPI range, that's bubble territory depending on what happens in the other conferences.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: LGR14 (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 01, 2025 09:56PM
I'll amend everything I've said above based on this projection that has Cornell finishing #4 in RPI. [lacrossereference.com]
Still wouldn't want to finish 3-3 though.
Still wouldn't want to finish 3-3 though.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 01, 2025 11:29PM
If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-93.myvzw.com)
Date: April 01, 2025 11:33PM
Isn’t 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?CU77
If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-216-209.myvzw.com)
Date: April 02, 2025 12:19AM
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?BearLover
Isn’t 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?CU77
If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-93.myvzw.com)
Date: April 02, 2025 12:46AM
But isn’t the simulation CU77 is citing based on RPI?ugarte
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?BearLover
Isn’t 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?CU77
If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-216-209.myvzw.com)
Date: April 02, 2025 01:40AM
i see what you're saying. maybe the simulation is dynamic so as Cornell's rpi improves with wins and other helpful results across the field, late losses become less likely?BearLover
But isn’t the simulation CU77 is citing based on RPI?ugarte
putting maybe too much faith in RPI there, no?BearLover
Isn’t 3-3 the most likely of all outcomes? Cornell, the current #9, plays #5, #7, #14, and #40, and then some combination of #1, #5, and #14. I would think mapping out all the permutations yields 3-3 as the most likely outcome?CU77
If Cornell finishes 3-3, they will not be #4 in RPI or anything close to it! In the simulation, 3-3 would be a low-probability outcome, so it's basically ignored in the "average" final RPI prediction of #4.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 02, 2025 04:28AM
Simulation of games is not based on RPI, it's based on lacrossereference's own computer ranking system. Then the simulated game results are used to compute end-of-season RPI.
Of course none of this really matters. The team needs to win the games. They are a heavy favorite against Brown and Dartmouth, a slight favorite against Cuse, a moderate favorite against Harvard. See eg the Massey win probabilities: [masseyratings.com]
It's also important that our opponents win as many of their other games as possible against our non-opponents. So root for Cuse against Notre Dame on Saturday!
Of course none of this really matters. The team needs to win the games. They are a heavy favorite against Brown and Dartmouth, a slight favorite against Cuse, a moderate favorite against Harvard. See eg the Massey win probabilities: [masseyratings.com]
It's also important that our opponents win as many of their other games as possible against our non-opponents. So root for Cuse against Notre Dame on Saturday!
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2025 04:34AM by CU77.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: April 02, 2025 09:11AM
to get to 3-3 they could lose 3 of next 4 then win the IVY
or got 2-2 and win first Ivy game
beating Brown would make all the loses to ranked teams most of the time
going 1-4 or 2-3 is the outcome to avoid.
or got 2-2 and win first Ivy game
beating Brown would make all the loses to ranked teams most of the time
going 1-4 or 2-3 is the outcome to avoid.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-93.myvzw.com)
Date: April 02, 2025 09:50AM
Thanks, that’s helpful background. For college hockey the publicly available projections all seem to be based on RPI and are therefore not very useful. Interesting college lacrosse has more developed public projections.CU77
Simulation of games is not based on RPI, it's based on lacrossereference's own computer ranking system. Then the simulated game results are used to compute end-of-season RPI.
Of course none of this really matters. The team needs to win the games. They are a heavy favorite against Brown and Dartmouth, a slight favorite against Cuse, a moderate favorite against Harvard. See eg the Massey win probabilities: [masseyratings.com]
It's also important that our opponents win as many of their other games as possible against our non-opponents. So root for Cuse against Notre Dame on Saturday!
In any case, Cornell will head into the NCAA tournament (well, let’s hope they will) after having played a very difficult sequence of opponents. It shouldn’t prepare them well.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 - polls 3/31
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 02, 2025 11:00AM
Cornell is #1 across the board on D1 college lax polls, Monday 3/31, this after Cornell's 8th game:
USILA 2025 Men’s Coaches Division I Poll - Week 8 Rank team 1sts Pts 1. Cornell 23 589 2. Maryland 4 565 3. TOSU 3 534 4. Princeton 514 5. Notre Dame 480 Also: 6 Army, 7 Syracuse, 9 Richmond, 10 Penn State, 11 Harvard, 15 BU, 18 Dartmouth, Colgate (also receiving). Media Poll Rank team 1sts Pts 1. Cornell 18 491 2. Maryland 5 472 3. TOSU 1 444 4. Princeton 1 441 5, Notre Dame 394 Also: 6 Army, 7 Syracuse, 9 Penn State, 10 Richmond, 11 Harvard, 15 BU, 18 Dartmouth, Colgate (also receiving). Quint Kessenich, [laxallstars.com]
Kessenich's top five is: 1. Cornell, 2. Maryland, 3. Princeton, then 4. Ohio State, ND, 6 Syracuse, 7. Penn Stare, 8. Army. More love for We Were than the other polls.Quint Kessenich’s Top 20: March 31, 2025
1) Cornell
Big Red (7-1) laid the hammer down on Penn with a 15-5 win, jumping out to a 7-1 and 10-1 halftime lead before coasting to the finish. With this win, Cornell maintains control of its destiny in the Ivy League race and is on track to host the conference tournament. The trio of Michael Long, CJ Kirst, and Ryan Goldstein continues to dominate as arguably the nation’s best attack unit. If the Big Red can win face-offs and get solid goaltending, they might be impossible to beat.
CJ Kirst is averaging more than five goals per game while shooting an absurd 58%. The passing game has been elite—Cornell leads the country with 10.6 assists per game. Goalie Wyatt Knust is giving them more than 13 saves per contest and has been steady when called upon. Cornell will host Albany on Tuesday before traveling to Brown on April 5.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 02, 2025 04:35PM
The NCAA gotta give equal emphasis to goals per game average or goals per season average to be fair to old timey players who only got in three varsity seasons, to longer seasons versus fifty years ago, and maybe to recognize schools (Ivies) who play fewer games.
Per Wiki, which has it both by season, with PPG, it is
Per Wiki, which has it both by season, with PPG, it is
3. Mike French '76, 6.30 PPG 4. Jim Trenz '74, 6.21 8. Tim Goldtein '88, 5.79 (father of Ryan) 15. Eamon McEneaney '77, 5.57 19. Jeff Teat '20. 5.25
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-79.myvzw.com)
Date: April 02, 2025 04:42PM
Also, it should discount records held by players who took advantage of the fifth year from COVID eligibility.billhoward
The NCAA gotta give equal emphasis to goals per game average or goals per season average to be fair to old timey players who only got in three varsity seasons, to longer seasons versus fifty years ago, and maybe to recognize schools (Ivies) who play fewer games.
Per Wiki, which has it both by season, with PPG, it is3. Mike French '76, 6.30 PPG 4. Jim Trenz '74, 6.21 8. Tim Goldtein '88, 5.79 (father of Ryan) 15. Eamon McEneaney '77, 5.57 19. Jeff Teat '20. 5.25
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 (Tues 4/1 UAlbany)
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 02, 2025 08:21PM
Massey does game-by-game projections for college hockey (and pretty much every sport out there) based on his own proprietary rating system, and then uses those to compute expected end-of-regular-season record, but does not go further than that into pairwise etc.BearLover
For college hockey the publicly available projections all seem to be based on RPI
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: jjanow99 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 05, 2025 04:08PM
Syracuse on the way to beating ND. Their face off guy having a big game. Cornell is going to have to pick up their game next week to win this one.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: arugula (---.sub-174-204-130.myvzw.com)
Date: April 05, 2025 06:07PM
At this rate we’ll be out of the tournament entirely.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: djk26 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 05, 2025 07:06PM
arugula
At this rate we’ll be out of the tournament entirely.
I know this is sarcasm, but we've got a real chance to improve our RPI in the weeks ahead. Brown is #41, but Syracuse is #7, Harvard is #6 and even Darmouth is pretty solid at #18.
(This may be a little out of date--the website I am looking at for RPI still has #2 Maryland's record at 8-1...and they just lost to #22 Rutgers.)
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Tom Lento (146.75.154.---)
Date: April 05, 2025 08:13PM
BearLover
Not “by far.” Cornell is a lacrosse blue blood, easily one of the top 10 historical lacrosse programs, and has been competitive for a national title almost every season the past 25 years. Hopkins is a top 5 all time program more prestigious, but not so much more prestigious that we should be losing coaches to them. Anyway, the point is if we ponied up the money to pay coaches then we wouldn’t be losing them to Hopkins.abmarks
BearLover
I feel like we need to do a better job fundraising if we’re losing lacrosse coaches to Johns Hopkins.George64
billhoward
Buczek seems a coach others would want to lure away. A WAG would be that he might stay in Ithaca for a salary package in the $200K-$250K and maybe bonus money: win Ivy RS, win ILT, winning 1-4 rounds of the NCAA tournament. Some of this might want to be alumni-funded.
Other estimates?
Universities usually draw down about 5 percent of the endowment principal to fund a position. So, to pay Buczek $200k per year, plus benefits of say $40k, would mean the Richard M. Moran Head Coach endowment would need $4.8 million on hand. Certainly possible. More than s few lax players end up on Wall Street.
Historically speaking, Hopkins is by far the more prestigious lax program. Coaches don't leave Hopkins to come to Cornell, but they do go the other way.
Lacrosse is to Hopkins as hockey is to NoDak, so it really is something special over there, so when coaches leave almost any job for Hopkins I doubt money is the dominant consideration (and it would not at all surprise me if Hopkins paid at or near top of band regardless). As it happens Hopkins has hired its last two coaches (Pietramala and Milliman) from Cornell, so folks around here are maybe a bit more sensitive to the comparisons between the programs. FWIW I suspect that neither of those cases was about either money or prestige, really - Pietramala is a Hopkins alum, and Milliman was hired away after COVID cut the 2020 season short so he was choosing between coaching an elite program that would play lacrosse next season and one that wouldn't.
Buczek was an all time great at Cornell, so this is probably closer to a dream job situation for him than it was for either Pietramala or Milliman. I certainly hope so, because it seems like his tenure is off to an incredible start.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Chris H82 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 05, 2025 09:40PM
arugula
At this rate we’ll be out of the tournament entirely.
Please don't provide fodder for Bearlover!
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 05, 2025 11:11PM
Keep handy:Chris H82
Please don't provide fodder for Bearlover!arugula
At this rate we’ll be out of the tournament entirely.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: April 06, 2025 11:17AM
What is the Ivy tie breaker to host
If Harvard beats Cornell and wins out
Cornell then wins out
Prin. wins out
tie breaker I guess would be goal diff. between the 3 teams
right now
Cornell + 5
Princ - 3
Harv -2
Cornell would need to lose by less than 4.
Cornell beat Harvard then win the host spot
If Harvard beats Cornell and wins out
Cornell then wins out
Prin. wins out
tie breaker I guess would be goal diff. between the 3 teams
right now
Cornell + 5
Princ - 3
Harv -2
Cornell would need to lose by less than 4.
Cornell beat Harvard then win the host spot
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: George64 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 06, 2025 12:53PM
upprdeck
What is the Ivy tie breaker to host
If Harvard beats Cornell and wins out
Cornell then wins out
Prin. wins out
tie breaker I guess would be goal diff. between the 3 teams
right now
Cornell + 5
Princ - 3
Harv -2
Cornell would need to lose by less than 4.
Cornell beat Harvard then win the host spot
My head tells me that goal differential should never be a factor in breaking ties, as the objective is to win the game, not humiliate the opponent. My heart, however, says screw BU and Harvard, too. Also Dartmouth! I’ll never forget listening to Cornell’s 19-1 win over Yale at Ingalls Rink in 1968. Ned’s teams took no prisoners!
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 06, 2025 01:07PM
upprdeck
What is the Ivy tie breaker to host
If Harvard beats Cornell and wins out
Cornell then wins out
Prin. wins out
tie breaker I guess would be goal diff. between the 3 teams
right now
Cornell + 5
Princ - 3
Harv -2
Cornell would need to lose by less than 4.
Cornell beat Harvard then win the host spot
I think the answer is to beat Harvard.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 06, 2025 01:30PM
Our Resume is good not great
lose to Harv and then not win the Ivy makes the Syracuse game mean even more
Beat Syracuse and have 3 losses we still get in
Lose to Syr and then lose 2 ivy late and a 4 loss team is back on the bubble
lose to Harv and then not win the Ivy makes the Syracuse game mean even more
Beat Syracuse and have 3 losses we still get in
Lose to Syr and then lose 2 ivy late and a 4 loss team is back on the bubble
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 06, 2025 07:54PM
... this sounds like hockey. Wyatt Knust needs to do an Ian Shane late-season metamorphosis and we're good. I still like the beat-Syracuse, beat-Harvard route.upprdeck
Our Resume is good not great
lose to Harv and then not win the Ivy makes the Syracuse game mean even more
Beat Syracuse and have 3 losses we still get in
Lose to Syr and then lose 2 ivy late and a 4 loss team is back on the bubble
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 07, 2025 11:15AM
The Saturday weather forecast for Uniondale in Lon Guyland is 53 degrees and rain. Better than cold and rain, but not ideal for our style of play.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: jjanow99 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 07, 2025 11:36AM
I wonder to what extent the wet field at Brown contributed to our offensive problems on Saturday. Errant passes, slipping, etc.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: arugula (38.109.75.---)
Date: April 07, 2025 11:59AM
mike1960
The Saturday weather forecast for Uniondale in Lon Guyland is 53 degrees and rain. Better than cold and rain, but not ideal for our style of play.
Not great for Syracuse, a dome team, either
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 07, 2025 12:24PM
arugula
mike1960
The Saturday weather forecast for Uniondale in Lon Guyland is 53 degrees and rain. Better than cold and rain, but not ideal for our style of play.
Not great for Syracuse, a dome team, either
True. I haven't watched a lot of Syracuse lacrosse this year, but they don't seem to move the ball the way we like to do. Last week, we saw passes fly out of bounds from the sticks of Long, Kirst, and others. The field is turf, so footing should not be a major problem.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 - polls 4/7 Cornell 1st
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 07, 2025 01:05PM
Cornell remains #1 in the media poll via Inside Lacrosse (the coaches poll arrives on Caribbean time). Big slips by Maryland and Notre Dame. Ohio State replaces the Terps at #2. Last week Maryland also got (5) first-place votes. This week Cornell gets all but 2. Are we that good?
Lax All Stars / Quint Kessenich’s Top 20: April 7, 2025 [laxallstars.com]
Rank Team Points Prev 1 Cornell (9 - 1) 478 (22)1 2 Ohio State (11 - 1) 444 (1) 3 3 Princeton (8 - 2) 441 (1) 4 4 Syracuse (9 - 2) 387 7 5 Army (9 - 1) 376 6 6 Maryland (8 - 2) 355 2 7 North Carolina (8 - 2) 333 8 8 Penn State (7 - 3) 308 9 9 Notre Dame (5 - 3) 304 5 10 Harvard (8 - 2) 263 11 11 Richmond (8 - 3) 250 10 12 Duke (9 - 3) 227 12 13 Georgetown (7 - 3) 171 14 14 Michigan (6 - 5) 163 13 15 Boston U (8 - 3) 108 15 16 Fairfield (10 - 1) 104 19 17 Saint Joseph's (8 - 3) 103 20 18 Rutgers (6 - 6) 75 -- 19 Johns Hopkins (6 - 5) 51 17 20 Dartmouth (7 - 3) 33 18 Receiving Votes: UMass, Colgate, Sacred Heart, Virginia, Villanova, Navy, Denver, Jacksonville Cornell 2025 competitors in bold. No. 1 teams: To week 4: Notre Dame (5 weeks including pre-season) Weeks 4-6: Maryland Weeks 7-9: Cornell [/bold] USILA Coaches poll for week of 4/7 rolls in. Team (First-Place Votes) Rank Points Cornell (25) 1 614 Ohio State (5) 2 581 Princeton 3 557 Syracuse 4 496 Army 5 495 Maryland (1) 6 457 North Carolina 7 452 Penn State 8 386 Notre Dame 9 366 Harvard 10 335 Richmond 11 334 Duke 12 307 Georgetown 13 222 Michigan 14 201 Boston 15 143 Saint Joseph's 16 139 Fairfield 17 117 Rutgers 18 92 ohns Hopkins 19 71 Dartmouth 20 34 U Mass Amherst 20 34 Also receiving votes: Colgate (14), Virginia (14), Sacred Heart (11), Villanova (10), Denver (7), Jacksonville (6), Yale (6), Towson (4), Navy (4), and Bryant (1).
Lax All Stars / Quint Kessenich’s Top 20: April 7, 2025 [laxallstars.com]
Quint Kessenich, Lacrosse All Stars
1) Cornell
Big Red (9-1) handled Albany 18-11 on Tuesday with their dynamic attack trio accounting for 16 points. Brendan Staub, Jayson Singer, and Matt Dooley anchor the close defense. Against Brown on Saturday, the toll of the two-game week showed as Cornell needed a late 4-1 push to secure a 13-9 win. FOGO Jack Cascadden had a day, going 15-of-22 with seven ground balls and a goal.
Now it’s time to embrace the moment. ‘Hard Hat 21’ travels to Long Island to face Syracuse on Saturday. Big Red’s RPI still trails their poll ranking. CJ Kirst continues to put up Tewaaraton-level numbers, averaging over five goals per game. Michael Long is shooting 47% for the nation’s top-scoring offense. Face-offs and defensive stops will be key in this heavyweight bout.
2) Ohio State
3) Princeton
4) Syracuse ... Now sitting at (9-2) with serious momentum, the swag kings head to Long Island to face Cornell. Joey Spallina and company are going back home. This one’s going to be epic.
5) Army
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2025 07:30PM by billhoward.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 - polls 4/7 Cornell 1st
Posted by: RichH (104.28.85.---)
Date: April 07, 2025 01:10PM
billhoward
Cornell remains #1 in the media poll via Inside Lacrosse (the coaches poll arrives on Caribbean time). Big slips by Maryland and Notre Dame. Ohio State replaces the Terps at #2. Last week Maryland also got (5) first-place votes. This week Cornell gets all but 2. Are we that good?Rank Team Points Prev 1 Cornell (9 - 1) 478 (22)1 2 Ohio State (11 - 1) 444 (1) 3 3 Princeton (8 - 2) 441 (1) 4 4 Syracuse (9 - 2) 387 7 5 Army (9 - 1) 376 6 6 Maryland (8 - 2) 355 2 7 North Carolina (8 - 2) 333 8 8 Penn State (7 - 3) 308 9 9 Notre Dame (5 - 3) 304 5 10 Harvard (8 - 2) 263 11 11 Richmond (8 - 3) 250 10 12 Duke (9 - 3) 227 12 13 Georgetown (7 - 3) 171 14 14 Michigan (6 - 5) 163 13 15 Boston U (8 - 3) 108 15 16 Fairfield (10 - 1) 104 19 17 Saint Joseph's (8 - 3) 103 20 18 Rutgers (6 - 6) 75 -- 19 Johns Hopkins (6 - 5) 51 17 20 Dartmouth (7 - 3) 33 18 Receiving Votes: UMass, Colgate, Sacred Heart, Virginia, Villanova, Navy, Denver, Jacksonville Cornell 2025 competitors in bold.
We also played Richmond.
That one Princeton voter is sticking to their guns, huh.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 - polls 4/7 Cornell 1st
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 07, 2025 01:32PM
Makes me think Cornell made a good decision to play Richmond. Wish we had Colgate back on the schedule and also Army. I think the Kaydets are likely to be top-twenty more years than not. (What happened to Navy???) Not playing Albany, Binghamton and Stony Brook looks good currently; I think Binghamton is least likely to rise up, too bad, I'd like to see another powerful NYS school within a 90-minute drive, meaning it's a single-day trip for the visitor. Lehigh looked like a good opponent when they were very low teens / also mention early but not now. Denver was #12 I believe when we played them, not they're an also-mention.
Obviously, the coaching staff wants good opponents, also realizes early in the year, it may mean playing a top-ten team as our second and their fourth or fifth game.
Syracuse is always good. I hope they got away from thinking they needed to play the Tigers but not us. Princeton-Cornell is always good and it should be the last game of the season, like Harvard-Yale on the gridiron.
Obviously, the coaching staff wants good opponents, also realizes early in the year, it may mean playing a top-ten team as our second and their fourth or fifth game.
Syracuse is always good. I hope they got away from thinking they needed to play the Tigers but not us. Princeton-Cornell is always good and it should be the last game of the season, like Harvard-Yale on the gridiron.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2025 01:38PM by billhoward.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: April 07, 2025 08:38PM
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I’ve tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says “Paul and Gary’s last name. 4 letters.” I’ve tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don’t think I’m a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: April 07, 2025 08:49PM
chimpfood
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I’ve tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says “Paul and Gary’s last name. 4 letters.” I’ve tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don’t think I’m a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
Did you try Gait?
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 07, 2025 08:51PM
chimpfood
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I’ve tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says “Paul and Gary’s last name. 4 letters.” I’ve tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don’t think I’m a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
The answer is directly related to Cornell's opponent this weekend
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: April 07, 2025 08:55PM
Never heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: April 07, 2025 10:14PM
chimpfood
Never heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
I was a kid in Ithaca when they were at Syracuse, so they're engrained in my lacrosse memories even though I don't follow the sport super closely.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: dag14 (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: April 07, 2025 10:56PM
chimpfood
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I’ve tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says “Paul and Gary’s last name. 4 letters.” I’ve tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don’t think I’m a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
This is hysterical! Not making fun of chimpfood; rather the notion that Gait is a magic password. I bet there are a lot of lax fans who wouldn't know how to spell it.... I mean, how about "Gate" if you never saw the written word?
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: RichH (104.28.85.---)
Date: April 07, 2025 11:39PM
dag14
chimpfood
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I’ve tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says “Paul and Gary’s last name. 4 letters.” I’ve tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don’t think I’m a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
This is hysterical! Not making fun of chimpfood; rather the notion that Gait is a magic password. I bet there are a lot of lax fans who wouldn't know how to spell it.... I mean, how about "Gate" if you never saw the written word?
Agreed. Amazingly myopic (and reverse-ageist) attempt at gatekeeping. Really one of the funniest lax-related things I’ve heard in a while.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: April 07, 2025 11:45PM
chimpfood
Never heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
They're brothers.
Now, if you were on a baseball forum and the hint was "Mickey and Roger's team, 7 letters," would you have the same trouble?
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: RichH (104.28.85.---)
Date: April 07, 2025 11:55PM
Swampy
chimpfood
Never heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
They're brothers.
Now, if you were on a baseball forum and the hint was "Mickey and Roger's team, 7 letters," would you have the same trouble?
C’mon, that’s different. I’ve been trying to come up with something similar. So far for college hockey, I can think of “Maine’s sibling dynasty started with Paul” or “North Dakota’s ________ Circus”. It’s clearly targeting fans of a certain age who were around for that period, or from a certain geographical place. Why bother trying to attract new/young fans when you can ensure everyone in your community only knows things that existed 15 years before current stars & students were born?
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 08, 2025 02:20AM
RichH
“North Dakota’s ________ Circus”
I understood that reference.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 08, 2025 02:33AM
Twin brothers Gary and Paul Gait grew up in Victoria, British Columbia, and played at Syracuse from 1987-1990. Their style of play totally revolutionized college lacrosse and captured the imaginations of the next generation. They were known for their creative playmaking, behind-the-back passing, and of course the “Air Gait.”
The Gait Brothers won three consecutive NCAA Championships from 1988-1990. While Gary is considered by many to be the greatest player of all time, Paul was also an All-American performer in college, and they both went on to have successful pro/international careers.
[www.instagram.com]
"Air Gait": [www.youtube.com]
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 08, 2025 08:40AM
and being there watching that live with everyone wondering what they had just seen was pretty crazy.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: April 08, 2025 09:27AM
I know the basic stuff about lacrosse before I watched like Paul rabil and Kyle Thompson but I don’t know why they can’t just have a captcha instead of a riddle about some old dudesSwampy
chimpfood
Never heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
They're brothers.
Now, if you were on a baseball forum and the hint was "Mickey and Roger's team, 7 letters," would you have the same trouble?
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 08, 2025 11:12AM
chimpfood
I know the basic stuff about lacrosse before I watched like Paul rabil and Kyle Thompson but I don’t know why they can’t just have a captcha instead of a riddle about some old dudesSwampy
chimpfood
Never heard of the lads unfortunately, my lacrosse knowledge starts in 2022 pretty much. I guess it does well to keep the median age of the forum above 60. Thanks guys.
They're brothers.
Now, if you were on a baseball forum and the hint was "Mickey and Roger's team, 7 letters," would you have the same trouble?
They are old dudes, but in fairness, they are defining figures in the game of college lacrosse, not just with their play, but with their later influence as a name brand for equipment and Gary Gait's coaching.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 08, 2025 11:59AM
Shouldn't that be gaitkeepingRichH
dag14
chimpfood
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I’ve tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says “Paul and Gary’s last name. 4 letters.” I’ve tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don’t think I’m a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
This is hysterical! Not making fun of chimpfood; rather the notion that Gait is a magic password. I bet there are a lot of lax fans who wouldn't know how to spell it.... I mean, how about "Gate" if you never saw the written word?
Agreed. Amazingly myopic (and reverse-ageist) attempt at gatekeeping. Really one of the funniest lax-related things I’ve heard in a while.

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2025 12:02PM by nshapiro.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 08, 2025 02:56PM
So typing "Paul Gary lacrosse" into a search engine is too much to ask?
Kids these days ...
Kids these days ...

Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: April 08, 2025 04:01PM
Not sure how I didn’t think of that lolCU77
So typing "Paul Gary lacrosse" into a search engine is too much to ask?
Kids these days ...
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 08, 2025 07:52PM
The current president froze $1 billion in funding to Cornell, so there might be some belt tightening here and there.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: CU2007 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 08, 2025 10:03PM
chimpfood
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I’ve tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says “Paul and Gary’s last name. 4 letters.” I’ve tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don’t think I’m a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
All-time post!!
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 08, 2025 10:33PM
This is an IQ test with a low bar.CU2007
All-time post!!chimpfood
How on earth do you register on fanlax? I’ve tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says “Paul and Gary’s last name. 4 letters.” I’ve tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don’t think I’m a robot but I cannot decipher what that means
Just gotta google "lacrosse paul gary" and the answer pops up, along wih the sad reminder that Paul Gait was paralyzed 3 years ago in a fall at the Gait lacrosse warehouse.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025
Posted by: mike1960 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 10, 2025 01:57PM
Revised.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/10/2025 02:27PM by mike1960.
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 4/14 4 weeks at No. 1
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 14, 2025 02:10PM
Media poll for April 14, Cornell again at No. 1, now with all the first-place votes. One problem with beating the teams we've beaten: They fall out of the top five and then we have, currently, only Princeton as a top-five victory. Should we beat No. 10 Harvard this week, they'd probably fall out, too.
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Cornell (10 - 1) 460(23) 1
2 Princeton (9 - 2) 429 3
3 Maryland (9 - 2) 410 6
4 Army (10 - 1) 379 5
5 North Carolina (9 - 2) 351 7
6 Ohio State (11 - 2) 349 2
7 Syracuse (9 - 3) 327 4
8 Penn State (8 - 3) 300 8
9 Notre Dame (6 - 3) 280 9
10 Harvard (9 - 2) 267 10
11 Richmond (9 - 3) 229 11
12 Duke (9 - 4) 190 12
13 Michigan (7 - 5) 188 14
14 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 142 17
15 Fairfield (11 - 1) 137 16
16 Denver (7 - 5) 91 27
17 Georgetown (7 - 4) 78 13
18 Rutgers (6 - 7) 56 18
19 UMass (9 - 3) 41 21
20 Sacred Heart (9 - 2) 30 23
Receiving Votes: Johns Hopkins, Villanova, Yale, Boston U, Lafayette, Virginia, Towson, Dartmouth, Siena, Bryant, Navy
Cornell opponents in bold.
This is four weeks in a row at No. 1. Notre Dame was No. 1 for the the first five polls but two of them were Pre-Season and Week 0. FYI, in RPI, Cornell is No. 5, behind Princeton, Maryland, Penn State and North Carolina. Saturday's opponent Harvard is No. 7 and Syracuse is down to No. 8. The lowest RPI of our opponents, 51st of 65, is Hobart. Brown is the lowest Ivy at 35. Princeton's other loss is to Maryland by 4, at Princeton. They have beaten Duke by 1 and UNC by 2. Is it possible the NCAA could seed us below No. 1? Out of the top 4? (Even if we win out?) [www.ncaa.com]
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 4/14 4 weeks at No. 1
Posted by: LGR14 (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 14, 2025 02:32PM
billhoward
Media poll for April 14, Cornell again at No. 1, now with all the first-place votes. One problem with beating the teams we've beaten: They fall out of the top five and then we have, currently, only Princeton as a top-five victory. Should we beat No. 10 Harvard this week, they'd probably fall out, too.Rank Team Points Prev 1 Cornell (10 - 1) 460(23) 1 2 Princeton (9 - 2) 429 3 3 Maryland (9 - 2) 410 6 4 Army (10 - 1) 379 5 5 North Carolina (9 - 2) 351 7 6 Ohio State (11 - 2) 349 2 7 Syracuse (9 - 3) 327 4 8 Penn State (8 - 3) 300 8 9 Notre Dame (6 - 3) 280 9 10 Harvard (9 - 2) 267 10 11 Richmond (9 - 3) 229 11 12 Duke (9 - 4) 190 12 13 Michigan (7 - 5) 188 14 14 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 142 17 15 Fairfield (11 - 1) 137 16 16 Denver (7 - 5) 91 27 17 Georgetown (7 - 4) 78 13 18 Rutgers (6 - 7) 56 18 19 UMass (9 - 3) 41 21 20 Sacred Heart (9 - 2) 30 23 Receiving Votes: Johns Hopkins, Villanova, Yale, Boston U, Lafayette, Virginia, Towson, Dartmouth, Siena, Bryant, Navy Cornell opponents in bold.
This is four weeks in a row at No. 1. Notre Dame was No. 1 for the the first five polls but two of them were Pre-Season and Week 0. FYI, in RPI, Cornell is No. 5, behind Princeton, Maryland, Penn State and North Carolina. Saturday's opponent Harvard is No. 7 and Syracuse is down to No. 8. The lowest RPI of our opponents, 51st of 65, is Hobart. Brown is the lowest Ivy at 35. Princeton's other loss is to Maryland by 4, at Princeton. They have beaten Duke by 1 and UNC by 2. Is it possible the NCAA could seed us below No. 1? Out of the top 4? (Even if we win out?) [www.ncaa.com]
Isn't the top 5, 10, etc. wins criteria based on RPI rather than the poll?
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2025 4/14 4 weeks at No. 1
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 14, 2025 02:32PM
Also for April 14 week (after the Syracuse game), Quint Kessenich, fresh from covering the Frozen Four, has these teams on top [laxallstars.com]:
1 Cornell
QK: "Big Red (10-1) hit the ten-win mark after putting up 17 goals against Syracuse on Long Island. CJ Kirst and Ryan Goldstein ran circles around the Orange defense with patience and precision. Goalie Wyatt Knust was razor sharp early while building an 8-2 lead. Cornell has nine Long Island public school players on the roster. I love the grit. You have to respect the 16 goals per game this offense is averaging. Sophomore Ryan Goldstein is averaging three assists per game. ... Cornell did not qualify for the NCAA tournament in 2024. They’ve made champ weekend appearances in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2018, and 2022. This senior class played in that 2022 title game. The 160-year-old program owns NCAA titles in 1971, 1976, and 1977. Dust ’em off.
2 Princeton
3 Maryland
4 Syracuse
5 Army
6 NC
7 Ohio State
8 Notre Dame
9 Harvard
10 Penn State
...
19 Yale
1 Cornell
QK: "Big Red (10-1) hit the ten-win mark after putting up 17 goals against Syracuse on Long Island. CJ Kirst and Ryan Goldstein ran circles around the Orange defense with patience and precision. Goalie Wyatt Knust was razor sharp early while building an 8-2 lead. Cornell has nine Long Island public school players on the roster. I love the grit. You have to respect the 16 goals per game this offense is averaging. Sophomore Ryan Goldstein is averaging three assists per game. ... Cornell did not qualify for the NCAA tournament in 2024. They’ve made champ weekend appearances in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2018, and 2022. This senior class played in that 2022 title game. The 160-year-old program owns NCAA titles in 1971, 1976, and 1977. Dust ’em off.
2 Princeton
3 Maryland
4 Syracuse
5 Army
6 NC
7 Ohio State
8 Notre Dame
9 Harvard
10 Penn State
...
19 Yale
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