Men’s Basketball 23-24

backdoor hansen to feigen was nice to get the lead back to 14

Yes, sir.

Love Sean Hansen. Dunks and then ultra-cognizant of the situation is immediately in front of the inbounder with his hands up, no dancing or yelling, just defense.

Mr. Niss
Love Sean Hansen. Dunks and then ultra-cognizant of the situation is immediately in front of the inbounder with his hands up, no dancing of yelling, just defense.

He's playing really good basketball.

Thank you Princeton for that airball 3-point attempt from just inside midcourt and then Cornell's return dunk to keep the lead well above 10.

Big man stop dribbling.

Guy. What are you doing.

What a great possession, mainly by Chris Manon. This may be the best game I've seen him play. I can't think of a better one off the top of my head.

Dagger.

Feeling better now that it's +20 with 2:33 to play? We made some mistakes, but Princeton also tried those long 3-pointers.

Who could have predicted this. Great win!!

Interesting schedule coming up. We go on the road for three, including Harvard and then Yale. Then come home for four in a row and at Penn and then at Princeton. You can form your own opinions about the various permutations.

The home win over Princeton was a fair possibility. But by 16 points, 83-67. Whoa!

Cornell did a nice job of figuring out where they could be successful on offense, and they scored some points. Discipline kind of frayed with some questionable shots in the second half. On defense, there's a lot of reaching and sometimes little help on the ball. The full court press looked like it surprised them, and they didn't have a good answer right away. But all's well that ends well.

I have no comment about the officiating.

great day. statement game. really hard to imagine missing the ILT and that's kind of what you want from a team that can't earn at at-large. also, ILT is in New York. sweeeeeeet.

mike1960
Cornell did a nice job of figuring out where they could be successful on offense, and they scored some points. Discipline kind of frayed with some questionable shots in the second half. On defense, there's a lot of reaching and sometimes little help on the ball. The full court press looked like it surprised them, and they didn't have a good answer right away. But all's well that ends well.

I have no comment about the officiating.

The lead never got below 10. Sure, the second half wasn't ideal, and I was sharting my pants about the lead potentially being whittled away, but it didn't happen, as seems to happen in every other basketball game, college and pro. So, all in all, IMO they did great in the second half, even if there are a few things to try to clean up. This is the best win we've had in I don't know how long ... I'm sure there have been a couple since beating Temple and Wisconsin, but that's my reference point and I'm sticking with it.

What a statement, great crowd and a great win. A comfortable win when getting railed by the refs all game against a team as good as Princeton is very impressive. Not to mention we didn’t have grey, one of our better players imo. We shut down lee aside from the fact that he himself had more free throws than our entire team.

Mr. Niss

The lead never got below 10. Sure, the second half wasn't ideal, and I was sharting my pants about the lead potentially being whittled away, but it didn't happen, as seems to happen in every other basketball game, college and pro. So, all in all, IMO they did great in the second half, even if there are a few things to try to clean up. This is the best win we've had in I don't know how long ... I'm sure there have been a couple since beating Temple and Wisconsin, but that's my reference point and I'm sticking with it.

You are right! I should add they did a really good job on the boards. Love to see those box outs. Also Nazir Williams was 4/4 on three-point shots, and 8/11 on field goals. I say let him keep shooting threes until he misses!

Kudos to Brian Earl and his staff for building this team with guys who were, by and large, unheralded recruits with few if any other D1 offers. And how about walk-on AK Okereke who scored 12 points today? He fills an important roll on the team and is getting better each game.

While an Ivy League title is a long way off, it will be nice to see Cornell listed in this week’s Joe Lunardi braketology (although we and Yale are both 4-0 in the league, I’m pretty sure our better overall record will give us he nod).

Meanwhile, the Penn faithful are calling for Donahue’s scalp after the Quakers lost at Columbia to fall to 1-3 in the league. I thought he’d thrive back at Penn, but so far he hasn’t recaptured the magic of his remarkable stretch at Cornell. And he may be running out of time.

Williams Nails a 3-pointer

Blaine Aston once nailed a similar shot against Princeton from the other side of the key, IIRC.

Wasn't it our old friend, Big Red Fan (Of the late, lamented Cornell Basketball Blog) who said Zach Spiker, the current Drexel coach, was partially responsible while serving as an Assistant to Donahue.

Wow. Really should've set a reminder and a block of time for this one. A 30-5 run is remarkable. I'm going to have to go back and watch in full. Will next have a chance to avenge men's hockey in Hanover Friday night.

scoop85
Kudos to Brian Earl and his staff for building this team with guys who were, by and large, unheralded recruits with few if any other D1 offers. And how about walk-on AK Okereke who scored 12 points today? He fills an important roll on the team and is getting better each game.

While an Ivy League title is a long way off, it will be nice to see Cornell listed in this week’s Joe Lunardi braketology (although we and Yale are both 4-0 in the league, I’m pretty sure our better overall record will give us he nod).

Meanwhile, the Penn faithful are calling for Donahue’s scalp after the Quakers lost at Columbia to fall to 1-3 in the league. I thought he’d thrive back at Penn, but so far he hasn’t recaptured the magic of his remarkable stretch at Cornell. And he may be running out of time.

Maybe Donahue's looking for a return gig at Cornell. If Brian Earl continues to be overly successful with a team of unheralded recruits, somebody's going to wave $750K-plus in his face. Maybe he bides his time for a return job at Princeton but as HC. He was patient, a decade as assistant coach for the Tigers.

billhoward

scoop85
Kudos to Brian Earl and his staff for building this team with guys who were, by and large, unheralded recruits with few if any other D1 offers. And how about walk-on AK Okereke who scored 12 points today? He fills an important roll on the team and is getting better each game.

While an Ivy League title is a long way off, it will be nice to see Cornell listed in this week’s Joe Lunardi braketology (although we and Yale are both 4-0 in the league, I’m pretty sure our better overall record will give us he nod).

Meanwhile, the Penn faithful are calling for Donahue’s scalp after the Quakers lost at Columbia to fall to 1-3 in the league. I thought he’d thrive back at Penn, but so far he hasn’t recaptured the magic of his remarkable stretch at Cornell. And he may be running out of time.

Maybe Donahue's looking for a return gig at Cornell. If Brian Earl continues to be overly successful with a team of unheralded recruits, somebody's going to wave $750K-plus in his face. Maybe he bides his time for a return job at Princeton but as HC. He was patient, a decade as assistant coach for the Tigers.

I don't think Princeton is dissatisfied in the least with who they have - and he's a Tiger alum too. If Earl's getting taken from us he's getting liftoff from the Ivies. I hope he sticks around, though.

- we moved up only 9 in Ken Pom with the win but Princeton fell like 15 spots -- we should have swapped spots*

- I legitimately felt Brian Earl should have been considered for coach of the year votes for the season coming out of Covid, when we were picked to be second-to-last in the Ivies and he implemented this run-and-gun style and had us in the Ivy tournament. He's a great coach and I am surprised no big program has given him a look yet. We are lucky to have had him as long as we have.

- I did not know that AK Okereke was a walk-on. I didn't know that walk-on was even still a thing except for a kid to sit at the end of the bench, get a few minutes in the last game of the year, score and have the place go nuts. Wow.

- Naz did not look right to start the season. I've thought he was (or would be) the best player on the team since he was a freshman. After the game, Brian was interviewed and mentioned a host of health issues with which Naz has had to deal since last year. I was not aware of the extent. He finally seems healthy, and it shows.

- Jacob Beccles has been impressive and might be our future.

- I cannot believe Chris Manon didn't have an opportunity at a more prominent program. I can't recall us ever having a player with his athletic ability.

- I hope some of the seniors who still have a Covid year of eligibility play a fifth year somewhere notable.


(* I'm joking, but was hoping to be better than 101)

Mr. Niss
I did not know that AK Okereke was a walk-on. I didn't know that walk-on was even still a thing except for a kid to sit at the end of the bench, get a few minutes in the last game of the year, score and have the place go nuts. Wow.

As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on. Whittman was under-recruited because of an injury his senior year and Jeff Foote transferred from St. Bonaventure where he had been a walk-on. They got Cornell to the Sweet-sixteen and Donahue to BC, where he flopped.

That said, I hope Nicki Moore offers Earl a substantial contract extension.

well since Cornell has no scholies arent they all really walkons in some way?

upprdeck
well since Cornell has no scholies arent they all really walkons in some way?

Think the difference is that Dale recruited himself by sending a video to Cornell. Foote's mother recruited him for Cornell. So Donahue, in a way, was presented with two of his big three studs on a platter.

Mr. Niss
- we moved up only 9 in Ken Pom with the win but Princeton fell like 15 spots -- we should have swapped spots*

- I legitimately felt Brian Earl should have been considered for coach of the year votes for the season coming out of Covid, when we were picked to be second-to-last in the Ivies and he implemented this run-and-gun style and had us in the Ivy tournament. He's a great coach and I am surprised no big program has given him a look yet. We are lucky to have had him as long as we have.

- I did not know that AK Okereke was a walk-on. I didn't know that walk-on was even still a thing except for a kid to sit at the end of the bench, get a few minutes in the last game of the year, score and have the place go nuts. Wow.

- Naz did not look right to start the season. I've thought he was (or would be) the best player on the team since he was a freshman. After the game, Brian was interviewed and mentioned a host of health issues with which Naz has had to deal since last year. I was not aware of the extent. He finally seems healthy, and it shows.

- Jacob Beccles has been impressive and might be our future.

- I cannot believe Chris Manon didn't have an opportunity at a more prominent program. I can't recall us ever having a player with his athletic ability.

- I hope some of the seniors who still have a Covid year of eligibility play a fifth year somewhere notable.


(* I'm joking, but was hoping to be better than 101)

Article from Okereke’s HS days. COVID seems to have put a damper on his recruiting. But he sure can play.

I’m surprised he wasn’t recruited just for being 6 foot 7 and 235 pounds of muscle.

chimpfood
I’m surprised he wasn’t recruited just for being 6 foot 7 and 235 pounds of muscle.

Yeah, so many quality players are missed by college coaching staffs. Look at a guy like Ja Morant (putting aside his personal issues), whose dynamic talent was overlooked by all the power schools.

George64

Mr. Niss
I did not know that AK Okereke was a walk-on. I didn't know that walk-on was even still a thing except for a kid to sit at the end of the bench, get a few minutes in the last game of the year, score and have the place go nuts. Wow.

As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on. Whittman was under-recruited because of an injury his senior year and Jeff Foote transferred from St. Bonaventure where he had been a walk-on. They got Cornell to the Sweet-sixteen and Donahue to BC, where he flopped.

That said, I hope Nicki Moore offers Earl a substantial contract extension.

I hope the Cornell AD does as well.

Mr. Niss
- I cannot believe Chris Manon didn't have an opportunity at a more prominent program. I can't recall us ever having a player with his athletic ability.

Shonn Miller comes to mind, but that's about it. Love the way he plays

George64

As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on...

Dale wasn't a walk-on; he was an under-recruited gift who marketed himself to Donohue as a dynamic but 5'9 guard with an Ivy academic profile. I also don't think Foote was a walk-on for the Bonnies, he just wasn't getting much playing time and was apparently miserable.

Mr. Niss
I cannot believe Chris Manon didn't have an opportunity at a more prominent program. I can't recall us ever having a player with his athletic ability.

Not only is he a terrific player, but he seems to thoroughly enjoys himself. His enthusiasm is infectious, sort of the Jack O’Leary of the hardwood.

ugarte

George64

As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on...

Dale wasn't a walk-on; he was an under-recruited gift who marketed himself to Donohue as a dynamic but 5'9 guard with an Ivy academic profile. I also don't think Foote was a walk-on for the Bonnies, he just wasn't getting much playing time and was apparently miserable.

What you say about Dale is correct, but Foote was in fact a walk on for the Bonnies.

Nice that AK was also his HS valedictorian.

scoop85

ugarte

George64

As I recall, back in the Donahue era, Louis Dale was a walk-on...

Dale wasn't a walk-on; he was an under-recruited gift who marketed himself to Donohue as a dynamic but 5'9 guard with an Ivy academic profile. I also don't think Foote was a walk-on for the Bonnies, he just wasn't getting much playing time and was apparently miserable.

What you say about Dale is correct, but Foote was in fact a walk on for the Bonnies.

wow. can't believe i missed that at the time. thx.

We got two coaches poll votes! We should really appreciate how far the program has come with Brian earl, but hopefully this is just the beginning.

From Zach Spiker and James Jones no doubt.

arugula
From Zach Spiker and James Jones no doubt.

I'm going with Scott Drew because Baylor is corrupt and they'll do anything to make their program look better.

And thank you all for the other responses. Totally forgot about Shonn Miller. And Bill Courtney, who apparently is an assistant at Miami. Who knew. The years have become a blur. I remember watching games in Barton 40 years ago better than I remember what I saw last season, let alone 10 seasons ago. By the way, last week the Brown guys mentioned Brown winning the Ivy in '86, which is a season that always stayed with me. If I remember correctly, it was quite a battle down the stretch with us and another team (Penn?).

Let's not forget that Dave Bliss, a Cornell grad, got Baylor in a ton of trouble when he was head coach. Drew had to clean up his mess when he was appointed head coach. Not sure if the documentary they did on Bliss a number of years ago they did on Showtime Sports is still available.

Cornell opened game against Dartmouth on a 19-0 run over the first 10 minutes of the game. Hopefully, they can keep Dartmouth from crawling back into the game.

dbilmes
Cornell opened game against Dartmouth on a 19-0 run over the first 10 minutes of the game. Hopefully, they can keep Dartmouth from crawling back into the game.

27-21 at the half. moderately annoying!

Bah-sketball.

From 19-0 to 34-35.

Offense has become stsgnant.

Al DeFlorio
From 19-0 to 34-35.

Offense has become stsgnant.

Not going to like this loss after that start.

Me watching that first Ragland 3 with ~2 min left: No no no no no no YES!
Me watching that second Ragland 3 with ~2 min left: No no no no no no NO

Cornell escapes with a 56-53 win.

Ken711
Cornell escapes with a 56-53 win.

really clean defense on the last Dartmouth possession to force a terrible, awkward three at the buzzer.

Only watched the end because of a hockey game but we can’t keep letting bad teams hang with us. Nevertheless, I definitely won’t complain much about a 5-0 start in the Ivy League.

After a hot start, I thought it was well in hand! Glad we got it done.

Bigger news is that Princeton went on the road and lost to Yale as well.

So next weeks Yale game becomes even bigger, now that they both have a 2 game lead over Princeton

upprdeck
Bigger news is that Princeton went on the road and lost to Yale as well.

So next weeks Yale game becomes even bigger, now that they both have a 2 game lead over Princeton

The way things seem to be going, getting the #1 seed will be huge for whoever, as that team won't have to play one of Princeton-Yale-us in the first game.

We were lucky to win after shooting 6-for-31 on 3-pointers. Kudos to Cornell, though,, for pulling out a win on a night when it played poorly. As the ex-Dartmouth coach who was doing the ESPN-plus commentary kept saying toward the end of the game, Cornell knows how to pull out close games, as evidenced by its record. If we play like this against Yale next week, though, we'll get blown out. Yale's 7-foot center keeps getting better and better. I watched a few minutes of Yale-Princeton game and it was a raucous atmosphere at Payne Whitney with a packed house making lots of noise. That's going to be a tough environment for any road team.

I thought from the posts that we had lost.

Harvard won't be easy tonight as they have good big man in Agjibor along with Chisom Opara and the freshman guard Malik Mack. They lack quality depth which should help Cornell

Trotsky
I thought from the posts that we had lost.

True about a lot of game-chatter in the “Other Sports” forum. I swear given the grousing during lax season, I’m sometimes surprised when I find we won 16-7.

RichH

Trotsky
I thought from the posts that we had lost.

True about a lot of game-chatter in the “Other Sports” forum. I swear given the grousing during lax season, I’m sometimes surprised when I find we won 16-7.

to be fair to this thread, the posts went from "it's 19-0 Cornell" to "It's 27-21 Cornell" to "we're losing somehow" to "whew! we escaped," so having the in-game posts imply that we might lose is an accurate representation of the game. 1 point was not the largest deficit of the game; Dartmouth was up 8 with 8:30 left.

rss77
Harvard won't be easy tonight as they have good big man in Agjibor along with Chisom Opara and the freshman guard Malik Mack. They lack quality depth which should help Cornell

Going into the weekend, I was very concerned about the Harvard game. But what happened last night might have been the best thing that could have happened going into tonight's game.

ugarte

RichH

Trotsky
I thought from the posts that we had lost.

True about a lot of game-chatter in the “Other Sports” forum. I swear given the grousing during lax season, I’m sometimes surprised when I find we won 16-7.

to be fair to this thread, the posts went from "it's 19-0 Cornell" to "It's 27-21 Cornell" to "we're losing somehow" to "whew! we escaped," so having the in-game posts imply that we might lose is an accurate representation of the game. 1 point was not the largest deficit of the game; Dartmouth was up 8 with 8:30 left.

When you realize that Dartmouth outscored us something like 44-19 at one point ... I don't even know how to complete that thought.

Man we are such a streaky team (which is quite an understatement, I know). But I love this team like I've never loved a woman.

This is a really likable team. I'm still not sure if they have the "it" factor that I thought the Wittman/Dale/Foote teams had even early on in that run, but definitely the best Cornell team since 2010.

Nice to see a good bounce-back from the near-debacle at Dartmouth. Hopefully, we can give Yale a good game next Saturday.

Nice road win by the Big Red. The first away weekend road sweep since 2019. Yale beat Penn 74-58, with their 7' center leading the way with 24 points. He's going to be force in the Ivy League as he's only a sophomore.

Cornell's first win at Harvard since 2019. The last time Cornell was 6-0 in Ivy League was 2010. Also, Cornell's 10 road wins are tied for most in the NCAA.

Great win, can’t wait for the Yale game next week. 6-0 vs 6-0. Hoping to get some votes in the AP poll this week.

chimpfood
Great win, can’t wait for the Yale game next week. 6-0 vs 6-0. Hoping to get some votes in the AP poll this week.

can't tell if i can go yet but... tempting

ugarte

RichH

Trotsky
I thought from the posts that we had lost.

True about a lot of game-chatter in the “Other Sports” forum. I swear given the grousing during lax season, I’m sometimes surprised when I find we won 16-7.

to be fair to this thread, the posts went from "it's 19-0 Cornell" to "It's 27-21 Cornell" to "we're losing somehow" to "whew! we escaped," so having the in-game posts imply that we might lose is an accurate representation of the game. 1 point was not the largest deficit of the game; Dartmouth was up 8 with 8:30 left.

Wanna say I was not being critical of the posts -- they were good information. I was saying I literally someone how missed that we had won, until I saw the "escaped" post and I exhaled.

I don't think people were grousing (I am on Mets reddit; I know grousing). I think people watching just registered shock at the turnaround.

I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

and we lead the ncaa in road wins dont we?

Mr. Niss
I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

Basketball version of Quint Kessenich?

Is there a world where Cornell continues winning but stumbles in say the Ivy League title game and gets an at large to the dance? I don’t know enough about college hoops but have always heard the Ivy League is, and always will be, a one bid league.

CU2007
Is there a world where Cornell continues winning but stumbles in say the Ivy League title game and gets an at large to the dance? I don’t know enough about college hoops but have always heard the Ivy League is, and always will be, a one bid league.

Perhaps if we go 14-0 in the regular season and lose in the final. But even that may be a stretch, since we won’t have any quad 1 wins.

Mr. Niss
I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

ugarte

Mr. Niss
I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

mountainred

ugarte

Mr. Niss
I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

Just win.

mike1960

mountainred

ugarte

Mr. Niss
I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

Just win.

Well, yeah. If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell as a #13 seed playing Clemson.

Assuming the Ivy autobid?

CU2007
Is there a world where Cornell continues winning but stumbles in say the Ivy League title game and gets an at large to the dance? I don’t know enough about college hoops but have always heard the Ivy League is, and always will be, a one bid league.

Funny you mention this -- before the Cornell-Princeton game, there was talk somewhere (I think it might have been on ESPN) about *Princeton* being an at large team in this exact scenario, running the Ivy table and then losing in the championship game. But they have a much better out-of-conference resume.

mountainred

mike1960

mountainred

ugarte

Mr. Niss
I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

Just win.

Well, yeah. If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell as a #13 seed playing Clemson.

I just saw Lunardi has us as a 14 (aq) vs Iowa State. I think 14 is fair for us should we be the team that emerges, and I say that as someone who (with Jay Bilas) is not over us getting a 12 in 2010. His rant about how we should have gotten the 5 seed in that group allows me to die in peace.

Mr. Niss

mountainred

mike1960

mountainred

ugarte

Mr. Niss
I don't understand Ken Pom, in particular how Yale is ranked so much ahead of us at 15-6 while we're 17-3. They've beaten nobody but Princeton. The have a couple of terrible losses. Their games against top teams aren't any better than ours.

might be margin of victory; i think it measures by possession not just ultimate result.

It's a lot of factors and, yes, KenPom is based on per possession numbers. Keep in mind, Yale started ahead of Cornell by 60 spots, so Cornell has closed the gap. Lately, Yale's 8 game win streak hasn't had any particularly close finals, while Cornell has had two one possession wins in its 7 game win streak. Cornell's schedule hasn't held up as well as anticipated, so while Yale has some bad losses, they have some better out of conference wins (LM, Santa Clara). And Ken's model still gives the side eye to Cornell's defense.

Personally, I think KenPom is great, but worrying about ranking discrepancies of 20-30 places will drive you crazy. Twenty data points (games) just isn't enough to expect precision.

Just win.

Well, yeah. If you want to dream, CBS has Cornell as a #13 seed playing Clemson.

I just saw Lunardi has us as a 14 (aq) vs Iowa State. I think 14 is fair for us should we be the team that emerges, and I say that as someone who (with Jay Bilas) is not over us getting a 12 in 2010. His rant about how we should have gotten the 5 seed in that group allows me to die in peace.

We were a 13 last week as AQ before almost bottling the Dartmouth game.While 13 is sometimes an at-large, we were still behind Boise St., 12-seed/last team in.

If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

upprdeck
If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

very slight. our SOS going forward isn't great since our best opponents (2-3 games v Yale, 1-2 games v Princeton including at least one loss) are fringe at-large candidates as well. Syracuse being ranked on par with Yale and GMU being roughly on par with us are our two best non-Ivy opponents and they are both losses. I assume we have to win the ILT but also assume we are very good NIT candidates if we finish second.

upprdeck
If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

Talking about winning out with 8 games left?

mike1960

upprdeck
If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

Talking about winning out with 8 games left?

well, if we don't win out until the ILT final, there is zero chance.

If they win out. they may be ranked be default and that buys some good will regardless of SOS and NET and stuff

Playoffs? Cornell beat Brown &
Dartmouth on the road by a combined 4 points. Let’s see what happens at Yale.

CAS
Playoffs? Cornell beat Brown &
Dartmouth on the road by a combined 4 points. Let’s see what happens at Yale.

When you give a team 38Fts it gets hard to win vs Brown
Then vs Dart we shoot 31 3's and make 6.

Both things we need to avoid as often as we can.

No votes in the polls this week. I certainly don’t think that we’re a top 25 team in the country but it’s a bit confusing to lose our coaches poll votes after winning two on the road this week.

chimpfood
No votes in the polls this week. I certainly don’t think that we’re a top 25 team in the country but it’s a bit confusing to lose our coaches poll votes after winning two on the road this week.

one of them was a white-knuckler against Dartmouth. makes sense to me, if the voter was someone actually paying attention to us.

ugarte

chimpfood
No votes in the polls this week. I certainly don’t think that we’re a top 25 team in the country but it’s a bit confusing to lose our coaches poll votes after winning two on the road this week.

one of them was a white-knuckler against Dartmouth. makes sense to me, if the voter was someone actually paying attention to us.

Maybe it was an “atta boy” courtesy vote and now back to your regularly scheduled programming

Cornell ranked 9th in College Insider mid-major rankings. Princeton 5th and Yale at 17

CU2007

Maybe it was an “atta boy” courtesy vote and now back to your regularly scheduled programming

To paraphrase Rodney Dangerfield - "We Don't Get No Respect!"

ugarte

upprdeck
If they win out and lose the last Game there is a slight chance of an At large bid.

very slight. our SOS going forward isn't great since our best opponents (2-3 games v Yale, 1-2 games v Princeton including at least one loss) are fringe at-large candidates as well. Syracuse being ranked on par with Yale and GMU being roughly on par with us are our two best non-Ivy opponents and they are both losses. I assume we have to win the ILT but also assume we are very good NIT candidates if we finish second.

It is probably safe to think "win the ILT or bust." Our best out of conference wins are Colgate and Monmouth or Fordham; I just don't see that getting us in over a power conference team. Along those lines, the NCAA "tweaked" the NIT this offseason. Conference regular-season champions that do not win their conference tournament no longer get an automatic bid to the NIT. Instead, the NIT will guarantee two teams from each of the big six conferences (ACC, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC) a bid. So, there are just 20 open slots for an Ivy, and, yes, the power six conferences can send even more to the NIT. Wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA just uses their new all-purpose metric, the NET ranking, where Cornell sits 80th as I type this.

If hypothetically Cornell did run the table until it lost the Ivy final, we would be 26-4. In my eyes, that would certainly make us deserving of the NCAA tournament. When your record is that good, the fact you don’t have any wins over top teams shouldn’t be disqualifying. Winning 87% of your games is extremely difficult. In that scenario we would also be nationally ranked. I think we’d get an at-large bid. This is obviously all hypothetical and is very unlikely to occur.

FYI, the ILT is at Columbia and buying all-session tickets is a pain in the ass online. The online system doesn't filter out tickets that are no longer available for all sessions, so you keep getting "sorry, try again" messages. I ultimately wrote to their box office and ordered by phone. (lionstickets@columbia.edu)

How do they choose the ILT location? Does it rotate?

Yeah it rotates. Cornell is scheduled to host next year but I’m also seeing that this year was supposed to be at brown so it seems like there could be a change.

Trotsky
How do they choose the ILT location? Does it rotate?

Yes but they have already deviated from the preannounced schedule. This year was supposed to be Brown but will be at Columbia. Cornell is supposed to host in 2025.

“The future of the rotation remains under continuous evaluation.”
[ivyhoopsonline.com]